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(STLToday)   County Council: Here's a plan to build new senior housing in your area. Residents: Meh. Council: Great, this low-income senior housing is almost done. Residents: Low-income? Aw Hell No   (stltoday.com) divider line 20
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2013-07-16 02:39:34 PM
6 votes:
Is it just my browser or did a link to a FB-driven comment thread get green-lit?

If I wanted to read comment threads on Fark, I'd read the COMMENT THREADS on Fark.
2013-07-16 03:18:13 PM
5 votes:

Rent Party: meat0918: NIMBY's can go fark themselves.

It's one thing to oppose a car shredder 500ft or so from a residential neighborhood and a park, but quite another to say "We don't want the poors around us".

No it's not.  With the poors comes increased crime, and lower property values.  Ghetto is a people, not a place.   Moving it out into my nice suburban paradise isn't going to do anything other than devalue my house.

If you can't afford to live here, go somewhere where you can afford to live.

/ NIMBY


My experience is absentee landlords that couldn't really give a fark who they rent to as long as the rent check is on time do far more damage to property values than "low income" home owners.
2013-07-16 03:10:25 PM
5 votes:
People who object to low-income housing are often really objecting to what they imagine will be more brown people living near them.

Idiots.
2013-07-16 04:04:12 PM
2 votes:
A couple of years ago I had a landlord who was complaining to everyone about a new housing development in the neighborhood that included housing for "low income" people. To her, and I think to many (at least here) "low income" is a euphemism for "people who are probably not white."

It never occurred to her than many of her tenants qualified as "low income." And that dammit, low income people need a farking place to live too, and that shuffling poor people off to giant ghettos is a demonstrably failed idea.
2013-07-16 03:45:02 PM
2 votes:
For the clarity of non-st louisans, this is in south county, i.e. whitey land. People in south county probably get a rash if you're from Iowa, because you aren't from around here. There was a proposal to extend the metro link to south county years ago-- the natives fought it hard because omg, the blacks might use it and get us. South county is pretty much populated by people who white-flighted. So low-income==black, is such a world view.

\I'm not claiming the rest of stl is particularly enlightened, just that this bit is especially unenlightened
\\My public high school was highly asian and jewish, so there are are pockets of diversity, like most places
2013-07-16 03:30:56 PM
2 votes:
I'd rather have low-income seniors nearby than some Sun City assholes. At least you won't be surrounded by Alzheimer-piloted golf carts and homes straight out of Edward Scissorhands.
2013-07-16 03:07:26 PM
2 votes:
NIMBY's can go fark themselves.

It's one thing to oppose a car shredder 500ft or so from a residential neighborhood and a park, but quite another to say "We don't want the poors around us".

//They really are doing that in my city, allowing a car shredder to be placed that close to a residential area
2013-07-16 06:24:05 PM
1 votes:
Where are all the anti-HOA, property rights advocates?  We have a case where a property owner may not be allowed to do what they want with their property.  I expected to see more outrage against this "taking" of property by the community.
2013-07-16 04:47:54 PM
1 votes:
There is a problem here in rural California of builders taking advantage of government subsidies to build low income housing to the exclusion of everything else, because the project has guaranteed funding.   So in our little po-dunk town, we have a very odd thing - if you are a normal, work-a-day person who earns a good living, you can't rent a decent apartment to save your life.   There are brand new beautiful apartment complexes that are low income only, and the only choices for working professionals is either run down, old apartments nearby or normal, newer apartment complexes over 30 minutes away in the next big suburb.    With each new construction came a lot of crime.   The apartments themselves are well maintained on the outside, but the crime rate around them has shot up significantly.    A recent multi-agency code violation and assisted housing raid netted 59 arrests. A lot of people come here to hide out and game the system.
2013-07-16 04:20:34 PM
1 votes:
Subby here:

I was browsing the comments when I decided to submit a headline, and did not realize that the URL had changed on me.  My apologies to everyone for the mishap.


/facepalm
//self chairshot
2013-07-16 04:17:53 PM
1 votes:

Clint_Torres: ...a proposal that sailed through the planning process unnoticed and unopposed barely a year ago.

I may be naive when comes to city councils and local governments, but the townsfolk are complaining about something that was already approved and was not objected to previously?

/rabble rabble rabble


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2013-07-16 04:17:30 PM
1 votes:
Another critic, Sister Mary Elizabeth of the neighboring Monastery of St. Clare, ticked off a laundry list of faults with the project ranging from lighting to noise, privacy to fencing.

"We are praying, since that is our job, that they can find a better piece of land in a much better location," Sister Mary Elizabeth said.


That's not very Christian of you Sister Mary Elizabeth.
2013-07-16 03:46:27 PM
1 votes:
I would need more information to know if they have a legitimate complaint.

If their "nursing homes" are anything like those in Chicago, they are basically glorified halfway houses for the mentally ill more than traditional nursing homes for the elderly.

My neighborhood is famous in the city for having a lot of such "nursing homes" in the area, and because of that it's basically an open-air asylum where the residents spend most of the day outside screaming at buildings and feeding vermin and punching the alderman.  I can understand not being a fan of something like that opening in the area.

if it's just another quiet place to send grandma to die?  Meh.
PJ-
2013-07-16 03:31:51 PM
1 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: abfalter: People who object to low-income housing are often really objecting to what they imagine will be more brown people living near them.

Idiots.

It ties in with their fears of lower property values, more traffic, more crime; that whole idiot and kaboodle you mention.  The best part with this story (though I didn't RTFA) is that it's senior housing.  How many seniors are knocking off liquor stores and encouraging gun and pawn shops to move in while tagging buildings with graffiti?  I suppose the ambulance traffic might be distracting.


Thing is though, there is a difference between zoning for a retirement community and zoning for low-income earners.  Odds are that someone with some civil planning took a closer look at the development plan and realized that it's wide open to having welfare recipients to completely dominate the area.  I'm pretty sure most of you here know how easy welfare cases chase off anybody they don't like.  For example:  Detroit.
2013-07-16 03:17:06 PM
1 votes:

abfalter: People who object to low-income housing are often really objecting to what they imagine will be more brown people living near them.

Idiots.


It ties in with their fears of lower property values, more traffic, more crime; that whole idiot and kaboodle you mention.  The best part with this story (though I didn't RTFA) is that it's senior housing.  How many seniors are knocking off liquor stores and encouraging gun and pawn shops to move in while tagging buildings with graffiti?  I suppose the ambulance traffic might be distracting.
2013-07-16 03:09:10 PM
1 votes:

factoryconnection: Is it just my browser or did a link to a FB-driven comment thread get green-lit?

If I wanted to read comment threads on Fark, I'd read the COMMENT THREADS on Fark.


No. That happened to me too. I assumed the tag was for Subby.

Correct link: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/oakville-residents-renew-opp o sition-to-senior-living-complex/article_c1dc92d6-9aaf-5e1b-b1fb-87170e 74cde4.html
2013-07-16 03:08:54 PM
1 votes:
2013-07-16 03:07:28 PM
1 votes:
I work for a local government. People get all huffy about stuff like this for no good reason. Here a similar plan came to the planning commission and people biatched because it would bring down housing values and/or become college student housing.

This from a town where people are all about diversity and peace and crap, but NIMBY.
2013-07-16 02:35:09 PM
1 votes:
Do you get increased crime with low-income seniors?
Wouldn't a senior surviving on Social Security qualify as low-income?
2013-07-16 02:23:50 PM
1 votes:
First and foremost, is the contention that residents did not receive proper notification last year when the project was introduced or as it wound its way through the planning and zoning process.

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