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2013-07-16 02:35:25 PM
Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.
 
2013-07-16 03:02:54 PM
were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies
 
2013-07-16 03:04:11 PM
Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

i.imgur.com

It was a good rally. Hot as balls yesterday too.
 
2013-07-16 03:11:33 PM

bdub77: Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

[i.imgur.com image 606x841]

It was a good rally. Hot as balls yesterday too.


What you said makes perfect sense, but... aren't the police a little pissed for having to arrest people there instead of real criminals?  If it were my department and I had any say in it, I'd instruct all of the officers to just let it go.
 
2013-07-16 03:18:05 PM

nekom: bdub77: Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

[i.imgur.com image 606x841]

It was a good rally. Hot as balls yesterday too.

What you said makes perfect sense, but... aren't the police a little pissed for having to arrest people there instead of real criminals?  If it were my department and I had any say in it, I'd instruct all of the officers to just let it go.


Do cops really care who gets arrested? Maybe some of them, but I digress.

I asked my friend yesterday about this who is a lawyer, she's said basically they should just give out citations instead of arresting people, but they've created a precedent from the beginning for arresting people, so I don't think they'll turn back now. It's not like the jails are filling up, they process you and you're out after 4 hours or so. Oddly enough, you can really only be arrested once, after that the state can apparently press more charges against you like trespassing. So all the people being arrested are being arrested for the first time.

The NCGA is only scheduled to be in session another week or so, they are trying to work out a budget though and supposedly the House and Senate can't agree on the budget, so who knows how much longer they'll be in session. It's costing the state a bunch of money, but these guys don't really care. I think once this long-ass session stops the protests might also cease, but I don't know for certain. In the end the budget will probably be a total disaster, the GOP in NC have their heads up their asses.
 
2013-07-16 03:21:46 PM
Were the horsemen in town?
 
2013-07-16 03:23:06 PM
Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?
 
2013-07-16 03:23:14 PM
They could have asked Satan for sme help.
 
2013-07-16 03:24:42 PM
Land of the Free.
 
2013-07-16 03:24:56 PM
The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.
 
2013-07-16 03:25:11 PM

Weaver95: Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.

The greater good!

 
2013-07-16 03:25:44 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' shuckin' and jivin' clappin'?
Man, what the hell happened?

/ftfy.
 
2013-07-16 03:26:43 PM

DataKnights: Weaver95: Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.

The greater good!


memedepot.com

/oblig
 
2013-07-16 03:28:50 PM
bdub77: (lots of stuff)

Thank you for the insight and for not digressing, TFA did not capture the essence or mood of the event.
 
2013-07-16 03:32:57 PM
finally taking the state back to what the founding fathers intended...
only wealthy, male land-owners (and corporations) are allowed to vote
indentured servants and slaves are back as a source of cheap labor
women are relegated to the kitchen where they belong.

living the republican dream!!!
 
2013-07-16 03:33:21 PM
Well, I'm glad I was able to post before some asshole turned this into a partisan issue instead of the sickening violation of civil rights it actually is.
 
2013-07-16 03:33:35 PM
I for one am not a fan of the singin' and the clappin'
I am, however, a fan of the boozin' and the sexin'

/let's get to work
 
2013-07-16 03:34:31 PM

bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.


Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
2013-07-16 03:34:46 PM
GOP winning the hearts and minds of women and minorities one arrest at a time
 
2013-07-16 03:37:05 PM

elbriley: I for one am not a fan of the singin' and the clappin'
I am, however, a fan of the boozin' and the sexin'

/let's get to work


I was going to make a similar statement about the sexy time...but you win this elbriley.  You win this time.
 
2013-07-16 03:37:45 PM
Well, to be fair "the right of the people to peacefully assemble and petition the government for the redress of thier grievances" is like, all the way at the END of the first Amendment, and it DOES have a lot of words, so can the NC legislature really be blamed for saying "TL/DR"?

and this makes me wonder:
Republican groups planned a rally Tuesday afternoon to thank GOP legislators for pushing views the groups support into law, said Mike Rusher, a spokesman for the North Carolina Republican Party.
"We have a lot of Republicans across the state that wanted to do something to show some appreciation to the legislators. A lot of the media attention has centered around the protests, which they feel and we also feel is getting a lot of unnecessary coverage," he said.
While Tuesday's one-time rally is aimed at countering the Monday demonstrations, Republicans also want to buck up GOP lawmakers for coming decisions on a tax overhaul and requiring voters to show identification when voting, Rusher said.
"We're very excited to even be in a position to discuss tax reform in North Carolina," he said. "The tax code is long overdue of being updated and this is a conversation in North Carolina hasn't been able to have."


 wanna lay bets on whether that rally is declared "unlawful" or not?
 
2013-07-16 03:38:24 PM

nekom: bdub77: Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

[i.imgur.com image 606x841]

It was a good rally. Hot as balls yesterday too.

What you said makes perfect sense, but... aren't the police a little pissed for having to arrest people there instead of real criminals?  If it were my department and I had any say in it, I'd instruct all of the officers to just let it go.



These police are actually the legislative police; they aren't Raleigh City or NC State Police, their domain is the legislative plaza and government building complex. So no, their job is to maintain order in the state buildings and that's about it. The protesters are giving them something to do other than checking people in at the security stops. The state DA is actually considering just asking the protesters get citations rather than being hauled off to city jail for a few hours, just to speed things up a bit.
 
2013-07-16 03:39:31 PM

nekom: bdub77: Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

[i.imgur.com image 606x841]

It was a good rally. Hot as balls yesterday too.

What you said makes perfect sense, but... aren't the police a little pissed for having to arrest people there instead of real criminals?  If it were my department and I had any say in it, I'd instruct all of the officers to just let it go.

Not at all. Real criminals might shoot back. Cops like picking low hanging fruit. lets em see retirement.
 
2013-07-16 03:39:55 PM
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-07-16 03:40:47 PM

bdub77: Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

[i.imgur.com image 606x841]

It was a good rally. Hot as balls yesterday too.


This sounds like the "people arrested in front of the White House for a cause" type of arrests rather than the "tasering and firehosing and beating anyone around" version.
 
2013-07-16 03:41:02 PM

PunGent: The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.


Of course they will attack birth control. They already have.

It will make much more sense to people when you see it as the economic 'strategy' it is. If women can of control their reproduction they cannot have a career like a man does. They will fall in and out Of part time, pink collar jobs. Leaving jobs for men open. Then get rid of your minorities and non-Christians and presto! And the White Old Fundy held sway over all.
 
2013-07-16 03:41:17 PM

fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


So that means I have the right to peaceably assemble wherever I want? Then why aren't we having Fark parties in the Oval Office?
 
2013-07-16 03:41:23 PM
North Carolina's government isn't really a government of the people per se.  It's more of a government of the gerrymandering for the corporation.  That is to say the general assembly is actively evil.
 
2013-07-16 03:41:54 PM

bdub77: Was at the protest yesterday. It's not as dramatic as they are making it. Thousands of people come. The people going to jail are volunteering to go to jail. You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience. The cops there were very cool, they explain everything if you discuss it with them. Yes something like 800 people TOTAL have been arrested since the start of the rallies - but this was rally #11. It seems there are more and more people coming out each rally.

We are getting good crowds. I urge people in NC to come out and show their support for the people there.

CSB: Met Rev. William Barber (basically the leader of the protests) yesterday on the way to the protest as he was just getting out of his car.

[i.imgur.com image 606x841]



Is he still playing gigs with "Sexual Chocolate"?
 
2013-07-16 03:42:23 PM

fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


This. I'm an NC native (Pasquotank county, what's up?) who doesn't live there anymore... but if I did, I'd get arrested just to have standing to start a class action suit against the State... because this arresting of demonstrators thing is horse shiat.
 
2013-07-16 03:43:02 PM
Goddamn I hate typing on my phone.
 
2013-07-16 03:43:45 PM
Well, according to the local media, now that the tax "cut" has been agreed upon (it's a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations only, everyone else is going to pay more one way or another), the expectation is the two chambers will agree upon a budget fairly quickly. I kind of doubt it; the two budget bills have large differences and it may take them into August to get it hammered out. Every day the legislature overstays its welcome (they were supposed to be done in June) costs the state $50,000; we're talking serious money by now.

Oh, and they've also said there will be no continuations of last year's budget to cover the state's business in August, so if they don't have a budget done by then, all us state employees get unpaid leave (except for the vitally important ones, like legislators of course)!

/yay
 
2013-07-16 03:44:42 PM

fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You got to to it before me. Arresting anybody that is peacefully protesting is illegal. Every single person involved in arresting peaceful demonstrators is breaking the law and should be arrested themselves. False arrest is a felony, and should be treated as such.

Personally I do not feel that nonviolent protests work anymore and that if people really want to make something happen they need to start killing not chanting.
 
2013-07-16 03:45:24 PM
It's only mostly women, and they're unlawfully assembling.  I was hoping the police would fall back and let drones do the work.
 
2013-07-16 03:45:57 PM
Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies


dakiniland.files.wordpress.com

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?

 
2013-07-16 03:47:29 PM
I believe the arrests aren't for protesting, but refusing to obey a law enforcement officer. The police order everyone to leave, some don't, they get arrested. You could be standing there silently or reading a book and if you don't leave you'd get arrested right along with the protesters.

/so your right to protest and assemble isn't being infringed upon
//until it is
///but it isn't, you just didn't obey the nice policeman
 
2013-07-16 03:47:31 PM

420Gabriel: You got to to it before me. Arresting anybody that is peacefully protesting is illegal.


Can I peacefully protest in your living room?
 
2013-07-16 03:49:18 PM

elbriley: I for one am not a fan of the singin' and the clappin'
I am, however, a fan of the boozin' and the sexin'

/let's get to work


But what of the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin'?
 
2013-07-16 03:49:28 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?


ChipNASA is sort of a troll?
 
2013-07-16 03:54:26 PM
Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.
 
2013-07-16 03:54:44 PM

PunGent: The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.


Yeah, they're already doing that.  By defunding or outright shutting down Planned Parenthood, they're taking away the ability for low income women to have access to contraception.  In Ohio, they're also trying to increase funding for "Pregnancy Crisis Centers" that tell women things like "Abortions cause breast cancer" AND cutting food stamp aid.

So, we're going to have more babies born to low income women who will not have the option to get an abortion, and we won't have enough money in the state coffers to pay for any of this.  See also:  Texas.
 
2013-07-16 03:56:50 PM
Did anyone take off their shirt and spin it around their head like a helicopter?

If not, Petey Pablo would has a sad.
 
2013-07-16 03:57:10 PM

RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.


Yes, while they're still not human, and are unable to perceive the nature of life and death.  As opposed to bringing them into a world for the sole purpose of suffering for RedVenture's amusement.
 
2013-07-16 03:57:42 PM

RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.


You totally nailed it. After all they've been doing Moral Mondays since April and the anti-abortion laws just came out in the past two weeks. But you nailed it. Oh except that they don't qualify as offspring until they spring off you. But you know, aside from those technicalities. You. Nailed. It.
 
2013-07-16 03:59:07 PM

Bung_Howdy: were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

[ericpetersautos.com image 600x392]

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies


that's a freedom cage to you buddy.
 
2013-07-16 03:59:31 PM
America is farked
 
2013-07-16 04:01:31 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?


Just Obama keeping the Tea Party down and oppressing their 1st amendment right to freedom of speech.
 
2013-07-16 04:01:47 PM

OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?


Hardly a lie. That shiat was perfected by Bush.
 
2013-07-16 04:01:49 PM

ikanreed: North Carolina's government isn't really a government of the people per se.  It's more of a government of the gerrymandering for the corporation.  That is to say the general assembly is actively evil.


And UNC runs the propaganda department.

/I love PBS yet hate all opinions expressed.
//I think I got mind farked.
 
2013-07-16 04:03:11 PM

bdub77: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

You totally nailed it. After all they've been doing Moral Mondays since April and the anti-abortion laws just came out in the past two weeks. But you nailed it. Oh except that they don't qualify as offspring until they spring off you. But you know, aside from those technicalities. You. Nailed. It.


yeah I kill a million of those little tykes every time I use a condom.

/worse than Hitler
 
2013-07-16 04:03:49 PM

thurstonxhowell: fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So that means I have the right to peaceably assemble wherever I want?

As long as it's public property, or you have the owners permission, yes.

Then why aren't we having Fark parties in the Oval Office?

Don't be stupid. Exceptions exist for areas that have security issues, of course. No, you can't go to the Oval office, or Area 51, or even a local Military Base. Of course, in those cases, they stop you before you get there, and they arrest you if you're found there. They don't let you go there, stand around for 5 minutes, THEN arrest you.

 
2013-07-16 04:05:09 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?


Thank you.
 
2013-07-16 04:05:18 PM
Argh. Fark ate my tags.

fredklein: thurstonxhowell: fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So that means I have the right to peaceably assemble wherever I want?


As long as it's public property, or you have the owners permission, yes.

Then why aren't we having Fark parties in the Oval Office?

Don't be stupid. Exceptions exist for areas that have security issues, of course. No, you can't go to the Oval office, or Area 51, or even a local Military Base. Of course, in those cases, they stop you before you get there, and they arrest you if you're found there. They don't let you go there, stand around for 5 minutes, THEN arrest you.
 
2013-07-16 04:05:38 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Were the horsemen in town?


Approves
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-16 04:05:55 PM
To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.
 
2013-07-16 04:07:36 PM

DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.


It's the most comfortable deck chair on the Titanic.
 
2013-07-16 04:09:46 PM

SordidEuphemism: DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.

It's the most comfortable deck chair on the Titanic.


Truly. We exchanged a pack of corrupt criminals for a bunch of petty despots.
 
2013-07-16 04:10:34 PM
Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.
 
2013-07-16 04:15:14 PM

Bendal: Well, according to the local media, now that the tax "cut" has been agreed upon (it's a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations only, everyone else is going to pay more one way or another), the expectation is the two chambers will agree upon a budget fairly quickly. I kind of doubt it; the two budget bills have large differences and it may take them into August to get it hammered out. Every day the legislature overstays its welcome (they were supposed to be done in June) costs the state $50,000; we're talking serious money by now.

Oh, and they've also said there will be no continuations of last year's budget to cover the state's business in August, so if they don't have a budget done by then, all us state employees get unpaid leave (except for the vitally important ones, like legislators of course)!

/yay


Never quite got that far in Georgia, but the process is similar.
 
2013-07-16 04:16:32 PM

Molavian: Well, I'm glad I was able to post before some asshole turned this into a partisan issue instead of the sickening violation of civil rights it actually is.


Someone didn't RTFA.
 
2013-07-16 04:17:42 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?


Then some were spellbound, some were hellbound
Some, they fell down and some got back up
And fought back against the meltdown
 
2013-07-16 04:18:20 PM

Z1P2: Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.


Bzzzzt. Try again. That's not how it works. After you're arrested, if you do the same thing they can press trespassing charges and other charges as well. It's not astroturf, different people are arrested. From DailyKos's reporting:

FTA: "This brings the cumulative total of Moral Monday arrests to 857. (These are unique arrests; no Moral Monday civil-disobedience arrestees have been taken into custody more than once.)"  Link
 
2013-07-16 04:21:54 PM

OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?



"The most prominent examples were those created by the United States Secret Service for President George W. Bush and other members of his administration. Free speech zones existed in limited forms prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush; it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded."

fark your alternate reality
 
2013-07-16 04:22:53 PM

Z1P2: Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.



Yeah, you keep talking about shiat you know nothing about. Makes you look really, really smart. There's no shortage of local people willing to be arrested for disobeying the order to leave the building. IIRC no one's been arrested more than once.
 
2013-07-16 04:25:52 PM

RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.


Well let's review:

Most of the protestors come from the Judeo-Christian religious tradition and therefore presumably base thier claims of morality on the ethics contained in the bible.   There are not only protesting abortion restrictions but new restriction on aid to the poor, medicaid, and food stamps.   So let's turn to the Bible to see what it has to say on these subjects

Abortion:
"  ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening"  or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester.  More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade  says

Now let's consider the protestors vs. the legislatures' position on aid to the poor
well the Old testament says this (in hundreds of places, this is also why israel gets wiped out by the Babylonians):
Ezekiel 16:49
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. "

and then Jesus siad more than a little on this subject as well, but most directly:
Mathew 12:41-42
Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink

 and then of course we have James, the brother of Jesus amplifying this point:

II James 2:14-16
 14What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit? ...

As does Jesus personal favorite Apostle, John:

I John 3:17
If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be that person?
 
2013-07-16 04:26:29 PM

Bung_Howdy: OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?


"The most prominent examples were those created by the United States Secret Service for President George W. Bush and other members of his administration. Free speech zones existed in limited forms prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush; it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded."

fark your alternate reality fevered fantasy

 
2013-07-16 04:28:40 PM

Cajnik: OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?

Hardly a lie. That shiat was perfected by Bush.


Not to mention I protested in a "free speech zone" exactly like that at the '08 GOP convention.  It was a great lesson for my 14 year old daughter, she got to go through a cage while the cops stood with blank faces and nice big guns in their hands.

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

/Is the place where I can say BSABSVR?
 
2013-07-16 04:34:29 PM

DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.


You understand that we had good economic growth over the 90s and 2000s because of progressive policies that weren't bent on spiting minorities like the rest of the south, and the GA reversed that, right?  That things are going to get dramatically worse here?
 
2013-07-16 04:39:33 PM

ikanreed: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

Yes, while they're still not human, and are unable to perceive the nature of life and death.  As opposed to bringing them into a world for the sole purpose of suffering for RedVenture's amusement.


It's living and has a will in due course become a human. It deserves protection just like any other living human.

bdub77: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

You totally nailed it. After all they've been doing Moral Mondays since April and the anti-abortion laws just came out in the past two weeks. But you nailed it. Oh except that they don't qualify as offspring until they spring off you. But you know, aside from those technicalities. You. Nailed. It.


The whole concept seems backward to me.


Hobodeluxe: bdub77: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

You totally nailed it. After all they've been doing Moral Mondays since April and the anti-abortion laws just came out in the past two weeks. But you nailed it. Oh except that they don't qualify as offspring until they spring off you. But you know, aside from those technicalities. You. Nailed. It.

yeah I kill a million of those little tykes every time I use a condom.

/worse than Hitler


A sperm does not a human make... yet. Life begins at conception.
 
2013-07-16 04:40:09 PM

DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.


North Carolina is Best Carolina.
 
2013-07-16 04:41:22 PM
These Republicans will take your children and your loved ones and send them to resource wars around the world.

Banning abortion means there's less of a chance of some GOP Senator's son being drafted and killed in combat.

Which is a good thing to the GOP.

Or had you forgotten the 15 month combat tours with no time off? The under-armored vehicles being up-armored with salvaged materials from the dump?

They'll take your son--or daughter now thanks to the changes in combat rules--and grind them up for British Petroleum, Halliburton and any other corporate giant who wants to improve their corporate profits.
 
2013-07-16 04:42:34 PM
Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.
 
2013-07-16 04:43:10 PM

Ring of Fire: Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.


Of course only about 25 people will show up
 
2013-07-16 04:45:28 PM

Cold_Sassy: ChipNASA is sort of a troll?


He's King Shiat of F*ck Island, it what he is.
 
2013-07-16 04:51:17 PM

ikanreed: DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.

You understand that we had good economic growth over the 90s and 2000s because of progressive policies


Oh, yeah, I remember those: Marc Basnight siphoning off money for his vanity projects in District One, Erskine Bowles covering up the various corrupt practices of the executive branch (the Golden Leaf fiasco, for one), the project to turn the Highway Patrol into a patronage turkey farm similar to the DMV. No thanks.

I've got no love for the greedy bastards from Charlotte, especially their embarrassing Amendment One, but to pretend that NC was anything but a soi disant Louisiana in terms of corruption and malfeasance indicates you are either on Randy Voller's payroll (along with those hookers in Vegas) or you weren't really paying attention the last 123 years.

Two words: Mary Easley
 
2013-07-16 04:52:08 PM

Sofa King Smart: finally taking the state back to what the founding fathers intended...
only wealthy, male land-owners (and corporations) are allowed to vote


Actually, the general assembly is so out of control, its way out of line with what corporations in NC want.  Do you think the large employers like RedHat and Cisco, or even Bank of America, Lowes or Goodrich want daily protests and NC being the butt of jokes across the country?

The fact is, what the legislature is doing is bad for business, both in attracting customers and in retaining smart, qualified employees.  This is bad in the short run because of all of the negative publicity, and in the long run because they've managed to overturn decades of progress and investment in education and infrastructure.  Once their done gutting the schools, reducing spending on infrastructure and raising taxes on the poor in order to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy, NC corporations will just leave.
 
2013-07-16 04:56:04 PM

theorellior: Cold_Sassy: ChipNASA is sort of a troll?

He's King Shiat of F*ck Island, it what he is.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-16 04:57:09 PM

Cold_Sassy: Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?

ChipNASA is sort of a troll?


I thought he was King Sh*t of F*ck Island.
 
2013-07-16 05:15:38 PM
No no, the government only persecutes "Conservatives." Anything against "libs" * just doesn't happen

* libs = the reality based community
 
2013-07-16 05:18:44 PM
Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

TFA:
About 100 people were arrested Monday after their singing and clapping protest outside the state Senate chamber was declared an unlawful assembly, in what has become a weekly demonstration against Republican initiatives.

So they were singing and clapping in a really aggressive fashion?
 
2013-07-16 05:23:14 PM
thurstonxhowell: "Can I peacefully protest in your living room?"

If he opens it to the general public, sure. Knock yourself out.
 
2013-07-16 05:39:53 PM

Bendal: I believe the arrests aren't for protesting, but refusing to obey a law enforcement officer. The police order everyone to leave, some don't, they get arrested. You could be standing there silently or reading a book and if you don't leave you'd get arrested right along with the protesters.

/so your right to protest and assemble isn't being infringed upon
//until it is
///but it isn't, you just didn't obey the nice policeman


So, you're under the impression that any order given to you is lawful?
 
2013-07-16 05:53:49 PM

Ring of Fire: Ring of Fire: Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.

Of course only about 25 people will show up


News just showed their "protest". Looked to be all of 30 people, some dressed in silly costumes, standing around in the heat.
 
2013-07-16 06:10:15 PM

Ring of Fire: Ring of Fire: Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.

Of course only about 25 people will show up


They're covering it on the news right now.  The reported said there were about 200 people there, but it looked like a fraction of that.  Mostly older people just milling around.
 
2013-07-16 06:22:46 PM
LOL this is a pic from the "protest" by the GOP
I guess the next thing is child marriage.
(Yeah I know some of the words are cropped but its still kinda funny)
pbs.twimg.com

hot like a child bride
 
2013-07-16 06:28:05 PM
Given the # of people in the "Thankful Tuesday" gathering I saw on the news, at least a third of the attendees were legislative staffers. No one else in their right mind would stand in 93+ degree weather outside in a suit or business clothing. If the report of 200 people there are true, they had less than a tenth of the number the latest Moral Monday gatherings had.
 
2013-07-16 06:44:40 PM
A woman's right to kill the unborn must never be questioned. That's carved in stone somewhere, Maybe over the Women's toilets at Auschwitz. Yes, yes .. make fetus lampshades ...
 
2013-07-16 06:47:19 PM

Ring of Fire: LOL this is a pic from the "protest" by the GOP
I guess the next thing is child marriage.
(Yeah I know some of the words are cropped but its still kinda funny)
[pbs.twimg.com image 850x635]

hot like a child bride


Ha! It'd be great if someone used that pic in a newspaper article...
Doesn't look very organized, but they do look "concerned" ;p
 
2013-07-16 06:49:27 PM

Clemkadidlefark: A woman's right to kill the unborn must never be questioned. That's carved in stone somewhere, Maybe over the Women's toilets at Auschwitz. Yes, yes .. make fetus lampshades ...


www.squidmobile.com
 
2013-07-16 07:04:33 PM
best part was the GOP tried to create a 'thankful thursday' or some shiat but forgot to register the domain, so the folks doing the 'moral mondays' set it up for them and put every broken campaign statement on it as well.

it'd be funny, if these idiots weren't shiatting on everyone that lives here.
 
2013-07-16 07:27:51 PM

tboucher: best part was the GOP tried to create a 'thankful thursday' or some shiat but forgot to register the domain, so the folks doing the 'moral mondays' set it up for them and put every broken campaign statement on it as well.

it'd be funny, if these idiots weren't shiatting on everyone that lives here.


LOL

http://www.thankfultuesdays.com/
 
2013-07-16 07:30:26 PM
WHAR three-strike law WHAR?

/spend as much time finding a job
//you'd have one
///damn hippies
 
2013-07-16 07:47:26 PM

Sharksfan: Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

TFA:
About 100 people were arrested Monday after their singing and clapping protest outside the state Senate chamber was declared an unlawful assembly, in what has become a weekly demonstration against Republican initiatives.

So they were singing and clapping in a really aggressive fashion?


In a terroristic and anti-government fashion.

/damn tarheels
 
2013-07-16 08:14:25 PM
Man, it's going to be so awesome to get that whole 70 bucks or so decrease in income taxes. It'll help pay for the increase in electricity tax from 3 to 7%.
 
2013-07-16 08:16:31 PM

Magorn: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

Well let's review:

Most of the protestors come from the Judeo-Christian religious tradition and therefore presumably base thier claims of morality on the ethics contained in the bible.   There are not only protesting abortion restrictions but new restriction on aid to the poor, medicaid, and food stamps.   So let's turn to the Bible to see what it has to say on these subjects

Abortion:
"  ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening"  or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester.  More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade  says

Now let's consider the protestors vs. the legislatures' position on aid to the poor
well the Old testament says this (in hundreds of places, this is also why israel gets wiped out by the Babylonians):
Ezekiel 16:49
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. "

and then Jesus siad more than a little on this subject as well, but most directly:
Mathew 12:41-42
Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink

 and then of course we have James, the brother of Jesus amplifying this point:

II James 2:14-16
 14What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit? ...

As does Jesus personal favorite Apostle, John: ...


And what does the Bible say about when life begins...

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. "

Job 33:4-"The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

Ezekiel 37: 5&6- "Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I shall lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord."

And here's a little gem about causing a miscarriage:

Exodus 21:22- "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and *yet no mischief follows: he shall surely be punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."
*Other translations write this as no harm comes to the mother.
 
2013-07-16 08:18:55 PM
What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"
 
2013-07-16 08:55:45 PM
Perhaps someone needs to show them what happened in Egypt when a theocratic regime tried to impose its rule on people.
 
2013-07-16 09:05:53 PM

Clemkadidlefark: A woman's right to kill the unborn must never be questioned. That's carved in stone somewhere, Maybe over the Women's toilets at Auschwitz. Yes, yes .. make fetus lampshades ...


you forgot the /sarcasm.
 
2013-07-16 09:10:28 PM

snitramc: Magorn: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

Well let's review:

Most of the protestors come from the Judeo-Christian religious tradition and therefore presumably base thier claims of morality on the ethics contained in the bible.   There are not only protesting abortion restrictions but new restriction on aid to the poor, medicaid, and food stamps.   So let's turn to the Bible to see what it has to say on these subjects

Abortion:
"  ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening"  or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester.  More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade  says

Now let's consider the protestors vs. the legislatures' position on aid to the poor
well the Old testament says this (in hundreds of places, this is also why israel gets wiped out by the Babylonians):
Ezekiel 16:49
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. "

and then Jesus siad more than a little on this subject as well, but most directly:
Mathew 12:41-42
Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink

 and then of course we have James, the brother of Jesus amplifying this point:

II James 2:14-16
 14What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit? ...

As does Jesus personal favorite Apostl ...


That's nice, but I'm not a Christian. I'm a Buddhist.
 
2013-07-16 09:31:13 PM
Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.


I haven't been here in a while, but can someone explain to me what happened to the Weaver I remember?
 
2013-07-16 09:40:40 PM

KazamaSmokers: Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.


I haven't been here in a while, but can someone explain to me what happened to the Weaver I remember?


He basically saw that the Republican Party is a vile corrupt organization which has no redeeming value, and switched parties, even canvassed for President Obama's reelection.
 
2013-07-16 09:53:15 PM
All this is, is the Republican finally control the House and Senate for the first time in over 100 years, and these idiots don't like it.

So instead of protesting peacefully where they're allowed to, they go where they're not, and get arrested.   And it's getting them nowhere.
 
2013-07-16 10:02:38 PM
Where the GOP lives, democracy dies.
 
2013-07-16 10:39:48 PM

KazamaSmokers: Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.


I haven't been here in a while, but can someone explain to me what happened to the Weaver I remember?


I'm surprised you hadn't heard. The Republican Party went farking crazy. It was in all the papers...
 
2013-07-16 10:50:36 PM

KazamaSmokers: Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.


I haven't been here in a while, but can someone explain to me what happened to the Weaver I remember?


One to many stories exactly like this? I mean, not that both sides aren't bad and all, but the GOP seems a bit fond of wearing their crazy on their sleeve lately.

/Fascists
//How much more obvious do we have to be?
 
2013-07-16 11:51:38 PM

PunGent: The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.


Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.
 
2013-07-16 11:54:30 PM

Pacfanweb: All this is, is the Republican finally control the House and Senate for the first time in over 100 years, and these idiots don't like it.

So instead of protesting peacefully where they're allowed to, they go where they're not, and get arrested.   And it's getting them nowhere.


No.  They actually go where they are allowed, but then they stay longer than they are allowed to the point of unlawful trespass or whatever it becomes.

It's like a person coming up to ring your doorbell.  They can't just pitch a tent on your porch, and refuse to leave.

All of the people, who have been arrested, were given fair warning, a clear explanation of the offense, and plenty of opportunity to avoid arrest.

They CHOSE to be arrested so they can play the martyr.
 
2013-07-16 11:55:24 PM

OldManDownDRoad: ikanreed: DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.

You understand that we had good economic growth over the 90s and 2000s because of progressive policies

Oh, yeah, I remember those: Marc Basnight siphoning off money for his vanity projects in District One, Erskine Bowles covering up the various corrupt practices of the executive branch (the Golden Leaf fiasco, for one), the project to turn the Highway Patrol into a patronage turkey farm similar to the DMV. No thanks.

I've got no love for the greedy bastards from Charlotte, especially their embarrassing Amendment One, but to pretend that NC was anything but a soi disant Louisiana in terms of corruption and malfeasance indicates you are either on Randy Voller's payroll (along with those hookers in Vegas) or you weren't really paying attention the last 123 years.

Two words: Mary Easley


Corruption is inarguably bad.  Corruption and republican politics is a way to nuke an economy from orbit.
 
2013-07-17 12:12:48 AM
Seems pretty obvious to me that "Peaceful Protests" do not work.
What other choices have you got?
 
2013-07-17 12:17:55 AM

thurstonxhowell: 420Gabriel: You got to to it before me. Arresting anybody that is peacefully protesting is illegal.

Can I peacefully protest in your living room?


No, because your living room is private property. The building the state legislature operates in is a public building, built, maintained by and paid for by the people of the state of North Carolina. They have more right to be there than the legislators.

Can you stop being stupid now, or is that permanent?
 
2013-07-17 12:31:15 AM

TOSViolation: Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.


A lot of birth defects and other potentially fatal problems arise  after 20 weeks.  What then?  Are you just stuck?
 
2013-07-17 01:02:21 AM

austerity101: TOSViolation: Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.

A lot of birth defects and other potentially fatal problems arise  after 20 weeks.  What then?  Are you just stuck?


Yes.
 
2013-07-17 01:15:20 AM

TOSViolation: austerity101: TOSViolation: Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.

A lot of birth defects and other potentially fatal problems arise  after 20 weeks.  What then?  Are you just stuck?

Yes.


Well, that isn't acceptable.
 
2013-07-17 01:49:38 AM

austerity101: TOSViolation: austerity101: TOSViolation: Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.

A lot of birth defects and other potentially fatal problems arise  after 20 weeks.  What then?  Are you just stuck?

Yes.

Well, that isn't acceptable.


Well then. Lets extend that a little. By that reasoning it should be acceptable to abort a baby/ child/ adult who develops any potentially fatal problems. people used to do that once, but it was considered barbaric and inhumane. Hope you and yours stay healthy.
 
2013-07-17 06:54:01 AM

Magorn: Abortion:
" ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening" or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester. More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade says


I love your post.

Another good one regarding abortion is right from the Bible itself.  Numbers 5: 12-28 describes a process where a woman who was unfaithful to her husband and is found to be impure (i.e. pregnant) is brought before the temple.  She confesses and is given a concoction that, if she is found to be impure, will cause her womb to rot.

God seemed to be perfectly okay with abortion in the case of adultery.
 
2013-07-17 07:48:35 AM

TOSViolation: PunGent: The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.

Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.


You don't understand what a wedge strategy is.

This isn't a secret...the "pro-lifers" are proud of what they're doing.

And, as others have noted, the hard-core ones are ALREADY going after contraception.

This is all public record...you can't claim to be surprised by any of this.
 
2013-07-17 10:20:14 AM
Seems like the officials in Derpistan have forgotten their 8th grade civics.
 
2013-07-17 10:49:52 AM

fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


I see you do don't understand the concept of reasonable time/place/manner restrictions.
 
2013-07-17 11:03:15 AM

PunGent: The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.


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To some people, it's a guidebook.
 
2013-07-17 11:16:09 AM

Z1P2: Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.


Yeah, because everyone who protests for women's rights is actually a paid shill for FemNaziCoTM.  But they jealously guard their secrets, so you'd better go to ground fast, before the pink helicopters arrive.
 
2013-07-17 04:09:58 PM
: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?


Actually, it's not a lie. Just because the picture is a "free speech zone" at the Democratic convention doesn't mean Bush it wasn't a practice that was greatly expanded under Bush.


Here's the actual article about the picture

Here's the article with citations about Bush expanding the free speech zones. Link

So how exactly is the statement a lie as you claim?
 
2013-07-17 08:58:27 PM

PunGent: TOSViolation: PunGent: The interesting thing to me will be what the pro-lifers do in NC (and TX) once they've shut down the last abortion provider.

Because some of them are NOT just going to go home quietly.

My bet is they'll work on contraception next.

Contraception is not murder.  The bill is not about removing choice.

THE BILL IS ABOUT REQUIRING YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR farkING MIND IN THE FIRST TWENTY farkING WEEKS!

Contraception is making up your mind BEFORE you do anything, and is commendable.

You don't understand what a wedge strategy is.

This isn't a secret...the "pro-lifers" are proud of what they're doing.

And, as others have noted, the hard-core ones are ALREADY going after contraception.

This is all public record...you can't claim to be surprised by any of this.


That's the beauty of democracy.  They get my vote against late-term abortion, but not for banning contraception.

If they start trying to ban contraception, then I might feel compelled to write a strongly-worded letter.

For all of you atheists, if Darwin wants you to die, then you should accept that your genes are inferior and voluntarily remove yourself from the gene pool instead of frantically grasping at life.  Any woman, who would kill her unborn child, obviously has some severe defect that Darwin is trying to point out to us.  She should be removed from society for the good of the human race.
 
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