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2013-07-16 04:03:49 PM

thurstonxhowell: fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So that means I have the right to peaceably assemble wherever I want?

As long as it's public property, or you have the owners permission, yes.

Then why aren't we having Fark parties in the Oval Office?

Don't be stupid. Exceptions exist for areas that have security issues, of course. No, you can't go to the Oval office, or Area 51, or even a local Military Base. Of course, in those cases, they stop you before you get there, and they arrest you if you're found there. They don't let you go there, stand around for 5 minutes, THEN arrest you.

 
2013-07-16 04:05:09 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?


Thank you.
 
2013-07-16 04:05:18 PM
Argh. Fark ate my tags.

fredklein: thurstonxhowell: fredklein: bdub77: You can go into the NC General Assembly and protest, you can even sing and clap and support the people being arrested for a while. They give you a five minute warning, only if you continue after the five minutes will they arrest you for civil disobedience.

Um, NO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So that means I have the right to peaceably assemble wherever I want?


As long as it's public property, or you have the owners permission, yes.

Then why aren't we having Fark parties in the Oval Office?

Don't be stupid. Exceptions exist for areas that have security issues, of course. No, you can't go to the Oval office, or Area 51, or even a local Military Base. Of course, in those cases, they stop you before you get there, and they arrest you if you're found there. They don't let you go there, stand around for 5 minutes, THEN arrest you.
 
2013-07-16 04:05:38 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Were the horsemen in town?


Approves
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-16 04:05:55 PM
To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.
 
2013-07-16 04:07:36 PM

DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.


It's the most comfortable deck chair on the Titanic.
 
2013-07-16 04:09:46 PM

SordidEuphemism: DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.

It's the most comfortable deck chair on the Titanic.


Truly. We exchanged a pack of corrupt criminals for a bunch of petty despots.
 
2013-07-16 04:10:34 PM
Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.
 
2013-07-16 04:15:14 PM

Bendal: Well, according to the local media, now that the tax "cut" has been agreed upon (it's a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations only, everyone else is going to pay more one way or another), the expectation is the two chambers will agree upon a budget fairly quickly. I kind of doubt it; the two budget bills have large differences and it may take them into August to get it hammered out. Every day the legislature overstays its welcome (they were supposed to be done in June) costs the state $50,000; we're talking serious money by now.

Oh, and they've also said there will be no continuations of last year's budget to cover the state's business in August, so if they don't have a budget done by then, all us state employees get unpaid leave (except for the vitally important ones, like legislators of course)!

/yay


Never quite got that far in Georgia, but the process is similar.
 
2013-07-16 04:16:32 PM

Molavian: Well, I'm glad I was able to post before some asshole turned this into a partisan issue instead of the sickening violation of civil rights it actually is.


Someone didn't RTFA.
 
2013-07-16 04:17:42 PM

Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?


Then some were spellbound, some were hellbound
Some, they fell down and some got back up
And fought back against the meltdown
 
2013-07-16 04:18:20 PM

Z1P2: Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.


Bzzzzt. Try again. That's not how it works. After you're arrested, if you do the same thing they can press trespassing charges and other charges as well. It's not astroturf, different people are arrested. From DailyKos's reporting:

FTA: "This brings the cumulative total of Moral Monday arrests to 857. (These are unique arrests; no Moral Monday civil-disobedience arrestees have been taken into custody more than once.)"  Link
 
2013-07-16 04:21:54 PM

OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?



"The most prominent examples were those created by the United States Secret Service for President George W. Bush and other members of his administration. Free speech zones existed in limited forms prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush; it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded."

fark your alternate reality
 
2013-07-16 04:22:53 PM

Z1P2: Fta: 800 people have been arrested since April

More like the same 100 people have been arrested 8 times, can you say AstroTurf protest? I wonder who is paying those protesters and if they can be held liable for the cost to the state of their illegal behavior if they were paying them with instructions to try and get arrested. I wonder if RICO statutes could be applied as well.



Yeah, you keep talking about shiat you know nothing about. Makes you look really, really smart. There's no shortage of local people willing to be arrested for disobeying the order to leave the building. IIRC no one's been arrested more than once.
 
2013-07-16 04:25:52 PM

RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.


Well let's review:

Most of the protestors come from the Judeo-Christian religious tradition and therefore presumably base thier claims of morality on the ethics contained in the bible.   There are not only protesting abortion restrictions but new restriction on aid to the poor, medicaid, and food stamps.   So let's turn to the Bible to see what it has to say on these subjects

Abortion:
"  ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening"  or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester.  More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade  says

Now let's consider the protestors vs. the legislatures' position on aid to the poor
well the Old testament says this (in hundreds of places, this is also why israel gets wiped out by the Babylonians):
Ezekiel 16:49
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. "

and then Jesus siad more than a little on this subject as well, but most directly:
Mathew 12:41-42
Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink

 and then of course we have James, the brother of Jesus amplifying this point:

II James 2:14-16
 14What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit? ...

As does Jesus personal favorite Apostle, John:

I John 3:17
If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be that person?
 
2013-07-16 04:26:29 PM

Bung_Howdy: OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?


"The most prominent examples were those created by the United States Secret Service for President George W. Bush and other members of his administration. Free speech zones existed in limited forms prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush; it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded."

fark your alternate reality fevered fantasy

 
2013-07-16 04:28:40 PM

Cajnik: OnlyM3: Bung_Howdy [TotalFark]


were they demonstrating from Republican created "free speech zones"?

ericpetersautos.com

courtesy of George W Bush and cronies

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 600x392]

Irony of irony.
That "free speech zone photo you provide is of the Democratic Convention, 2008
link

Nice lie. Do you, like your hero believe that if you tell it often enough people will believe it?

Hardly a lie. That shiat was perfected by Bush.


Not to mention I protested in a "free speech zone" exactly like that at the '08 GOP convention.  It was a great lesson for my 14 year old daughter, she got to go through a cage while the cops stood with blank faces and nice big guns in their hands.

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

/Is the place where I can say BSABSVR?
 
2013-07-16 04:34:29 PM

DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.


You understand that we had good economic growth over the 90s and 2000s because of progressive policies that weren't bent on spiting minorities like the rest of the south, and the GA reversed that, right?  That things are going to get dramatically worse here?
 
2013-07-16 04:39:33 PM

ikanreed: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

Yes, while they're still not human, and are unable to perceive the nature of life and death.  As opposed to bringing them into a world for the sole purpose of suffering for RedVenture's amusement.


It's living and has a will in due course become a human. It deserves protection just like any other living human.

bdub77: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

You totally nailed it. After all they've been doing Moral Mondays since April and the anti-abortion laws just came out in the past two weeks. But you nailed it. Oh except that they don't qualify as offspring until they spring off you. But you know, aside from those technicalities. You. Nailed. It.


The whole concept seems backward to me.


Hobodeluxe: bdub77: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

You totally nailed it. After all they've been doing Moral Mondays since April and the anti-abortion laws just came out in the past two weeks. But you nailed it. Oh except that they don't qualify as offspring until they spring off you. But you know, aside from those technicalities. You. Nailed. It.

yeah I kill a million of those little tykes every time I use a condom.

/worse than Hitler


A sperm does not a human make... yet. Life begins at conception.
 
2013-07-16 04:40:09 PM

DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.


North Carolina is Best Carolina.
 
2013-07-16 04:41:22 PM
These Republicans will take your children and your loved ones and send them to resource wars around the world.

Banning abortion means there's less of a chance of some GOP Senator's son being drafted and killed in combat.

Which is a good thing to the GOP.

Or had you forgotten the 15 month combat tours with no time off? The under-armored vehicles being up-armored with salvaged materials from the dump?

They'll take your son--or daughter now thanks to the changes in combat rules--and grind them up for British Petroleum, Halliburton and any other corporate giant who wants to improve their corporate profits.
 
2013-07-16 04:42:34 PM
Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.
 
2013-07-16 04:43:10 PM

Ring of Fire: Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.


Of course only about 25 people will show up
 
2013-07-16 04:45:28 PM

Cold_Sassy: ChipNASA is sort of a troll?


He's King Shiat of F*ck Island, it what he is.
 
2013-07-16 04:51:17 PM

ikanreed: DubtodaIll: To be fair I'd say NC is the best run state in the south.

You understand that we had good economic growth over the 90s and 2000s because of progressive policies


Oh, yeah, I remember those: Marc Basnight siphoning off money for his vanity projects in District One, Erskine Bowles covering up the various corrupt practices of the executive branch (the Golden Leaf fiasco, for one), the project to turn the Highway Patrol into a patronage turkey farm similar to the DMV. No thanks.

I've got no love for the greedy bastards from Charlotte, especially their embarrassing Amendment One, but to pretend that NC was anything but a soi disant Louisiana in terms of corruption and malfeasance indicates you are either on Randy Voller's payroll (along with those hookers in Vegas) or you weren't really paying attention the last 123 years.

Two words: Mary Easley
 
2013-07-16 04:52:08 PM

Sofa King Smart: finally taking the state back to what the founding fathers intended...
only wealthy, male land-owners (and corporations) are allowed to vote


Actually, the general assembly is so out of control, its way out of line with what corporations in NC want.  Do you think the large employers like RedHat and Cisco, or even Bank of America, Lowes or Goodrich want daily protests and NC being the butt of jokes across the country?

The fact is, what the legislature is doing is bad for business, both in attracting customers and in retaining smart, qualified employees.  This is bad in the short run because of all of the negative publicity, and in the long run because they've managed to overturn decades of progress and investment in education and infrastructure.  Once their done gutting the schools, reducing spending on infrastructure and raising taxes on the poor in order to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy, NC corporations will just leave.
 
2013-07-16 04:56:04 PM

theorellior: Cold_Sassy: ChipNASA is sort of a troll?

He's King Shiat of F*ck Island, it what he is.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-16 04:57:09 PM

Cold_Sassy: Sybarite: Just singin' and clappin'? Man, what the hell happened?

ChipNASA is sort of a troll?


I thought he was King Sh*t of F*ck Island.
 
2013-07-16 05:15:38 PM
No no, the government only persecutes "Conservatives." Anything against "libs" * just doesn't happen

* libs = the reality based community
 
2013-07-16 05:18:44 PM
Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

TFA:
About 100 people were arrested Monday after their singing and clapping protest outside the state Senate chamber was declared an unlawful assembly, in what has become a weekly demonstration against Republican initiatives.

So they were singing and clapping in a really aggressive fashion?
 
2013-07-16 05:23:14 PM
thurstonxhowell: "Can I peacefully protest in your living room?"

If he opens it to the general public, sure. Knock yourself out.
 
2013-07-16 05:39:53 PM

Bendal: I believe the arrests aren't for protesting, but refusing to obey a law enforcement officer. The police order everyone to leave, some don't, they get arrested. You could be standing there silently or reading a book and if you don't leave you'd get arrested right along with the protesters.

/so your right to protest and assemble isn't being infringed upon
//until it is
///but it isn't, you just didn't obey the nice policeman


So, you're under the impression that any order given to you is lawful?
 
2013-07-16 05:53:49 PM

Ring of Fire: Ring of Fire: Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.

Of course only about 25 people will show up


News just showed their "protest". Looked to be all of 30 people, some dressed in silly costumes, standing around in the heat.
 
2013-07-16 06:10:15 PM

Ring of Fire: Ring of Fire: Siochain:

Also, TFA says the GOP was organizing a protest for today.  Did they arrest any of those protestors?

I just looked it up they are supposed to start at 5.  I highly doubt anyone will be arrested.

Of course only about 25 people will show up


They're covering it on the news right now.  The reported said there were about 200 people there, but it looked like a fraction of that.  Mostly older people just milling around.
 
2013-07-16 06:22:46 PM
LOL this is a pic from the "protest" by the GOP
I guess the next thing is child marriage.
(Yeah I know some of the words are cropped but its still kinda funny)
pbs.twimg.com

hot like a child bride
 
2013-07-16 06:28:05 PM
Given the # of people in the "Thankful Tuesday" gathering I saw on the news, at least a third of the attendees were legislative staffers. No one else in their right mind would stand in 93+ degree weather outside in a suit or business clothing. If the report of 200 people there are true, they had less than a tenth of the number the latest Moral Monday gatherings had.
 
2013-07-16 06:44:40 PM
A woman's right to kill the unborn must never be questioned. That's carved in stone somewhere, Maybe over the Women's toilets at Auschwitz. Yes, yes .. make fetus lampshades ...
 
2013-07-16 06:47:19 PM

Ring of Fire: LOL this is a pic from the "protest" by the GOP
I guess the next thing is child marriage.
(Yeah I know some of the words are cropped but its still kinda funny)
[pbs.twimg.com image 850x635]

hot like a child bride


Ha! It'd be great if someone used that pic in a newspaper article...
Doesn't look very organized, but they do look "concerned" ;p
 
2013-07-16 06:49:27 PM

Clemkadidlefark: A woman's right to kill the unborn must never be questioned. That's carved in stone somewhere, Maybe over the Women's toilets at Auschwitz. Yes, yes .. make fetus lampshades ...


www.squidmobile.com
 
2013-07-16 07:04:33 PM
best part was the GOP tried to create a 'thankful thursday' or some shiat but forgot to register the domain, so the folks doing the 'moral mondays' set it up for them and put every broken campaign statement on it as well.

it'd be funny, if these idiots weren't shiatting on everyone that lives here.
 
2013-07-16 07:27:51 PM

tboucher: best part was the GOP tried to create a 'thankful thursday' or some shiat but forgot to register the domain, so the folks doing the 'moral mondays' set it up for them and put every broken campaign statement on it as well.

it'd be funny, if these idiots weren't shiatting on everyone that lives here.


LOL

http://www.thankfultuesdays.com/
 
2013-07-16 07:30:26 PM
WHAR three-strike law WHAR?

/spend as much time finding a job
//you'd have one
///damn hippies
 
2013-07-16 07:47:26 PM

Sharksfan: Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

TFA:
About 100 people were arrested Monday after their singing and clapping protest outside the state Senate chamber was declared an unlawful assembly, in what has become a weekly demonstration against Republican initiatives.

So they were singing and clapping in a really aggressive fashion?


In a terroristic and anti-government fashion.

/damn tarheels
 
2013-07-16 08:14:25 PM
Man, it's going to be so awesome to get that whole 70 bucks or so decrease in income taxes. It'll help pay for the increase in electricity tax from 3 to 7%.
 
2013-07-16 08:16:31 PM

Magorn: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

Well let's review:

Most of the protestors come from the Judeo-Christian religious tradition and therefore presumably base thier claims of morality on the ethics contained in the bible.   There are not only protesting abortion restrictions but new restriction on aid to the poor, medicaid, and food stamps.   So let's turn to the Bible to see what it has to say on these subjects

Abortion:
"  ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening"  or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester.  More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade  says

Now let's consider the protestors vs. the legislatures' position on aid to the poor
well the Old testament says this (in hundreds of places, this is also why israel gets wiped out by the Babylonians):
Ezekiel 16:49
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. "

and then Jesus siad more than a little on this subject as well, but most directly:
Mathew 12:41-42
Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink

 and then of course we have James, the brother of Jesus amplifying this point:

II James 2:14-16
 14What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit? ...

As does Jesus personal favorite Apostle, John: ...


And what does the Bible say about when life begins...

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. "

Job 33:4-"The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

Ezekiel 37: 5&6- "Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I shall lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord."

And here's a little gem about causing a miscarriage:

Exodus 21:22- "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and *yet no mischief follows: he shall surely be punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."
*Other translations write this as no harm comes to the mother.
 
2013-07-16 08:18:55 PM
What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"
 
2013-07-16 08:55:45 PM
Perhaps someone needs to show them what happened in Egypt when a theocratic regime tried to impose its rule on people.
 
2013-07-16 09:05:53 PM

Clemkadidlefark: A woman's right to kill the unborn must never be questioned. That's carved in stone somewhere, Maybe over the Women's toilets at Auschwitz. Yes, yes .. make fetus lampshades ...


you forgot the /sarcasm.
 
2013-07-16 09:10:28 PM

snitramc: Magorn: RedVentrue: Moral Monday? Yeah where you support the Moral right to kill your offspring.

Well let's review:

Most of the protestors come from the Judeo-Christian religious tradition and therefore presumably base thier claims of morality on the ethics contained in the bible.   There are not only protesting abortion restrictions but new restriction on aid to the poor, medicaid, and food stamps.   So let's turn to the Bible to see what it has to say on these subjects

Abortion:
"  ..."
but to be fair, Christian Tradition starting with Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica cetainly does have something to say about abortion and that is basically that abortion is perfectly lawful and moral up until the time of the "quickening"  or roughly the end of the 2nd trimester.  More or less exactly waht Roe V. Wade  says

Now let's consider the protestors vs. the legislatures' position on aid to the poor
well the Old testament says this (in hundreds of places, this is also why israel gets wiped out by the Babylonians):
Ezekiel 16:49
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. "

and then Jesus siad more than a little on this subject as well, but most directly:
Mathew 12:41-42
Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink

 and then of course we have James, the brother of Jesus amplifying this point:

II James 2:14-16
 14What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit? ...

As does Jesus personal favorite Apostl ...


That's nice, but I'm not a Christian. I'm a Buddhist.
 
2013-07-16 09:31:13 PM
Remeber - only the democrats are out of control. Republican actions are only ever for the greater good and are never abusive.


I haven't been here in a while, but can someone explain to me what happened to the Weaver I remember?
 
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