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(Computerworld)   Skeptics and critics have scoffed at the warnings for years, but recent events have made the truth crystal clear: Ladies and Gentlemen, we have already passed "Peak PC"   (computerworld.com ) divider line
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2013-07-16 11:45:05 AM  
"30 minutes to the deadline!  I need a news story now!"

"Check the story line recycling bin"

"Good idea"
 
2013-07-16 11:52:38 AM  
The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.
 
2013-07-16 11:52:53 AM  
They'll stabilize at some lower-level plateau simply because people need to do work on them.  But when they go home at night, a lot of people will be happier just browsing stuff on a phone or tablet on the couch than sitting at a computer desk or pulling out a laptop.  So PC sales will never be what they once were.
 
2013-07-16 11:53:12 AM  

creepy ass-cracka: The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.


This.
 
2013-07-16 11:54:19 AM  
There is no need to upgrade a computer bought in the past 2-3 years.  At least not the entire computer.  Processor speeds have stabilized, Winblow 8 is a festering abortion wrapped in a bag of pig vomit, nothing is really pushing computers to the limit right now.  Why bother upgrading unless you want the latest shiny?
 
2013-07-16 11:57:10 AM  
Building my first PC this weekend. Meaning first I've built, not first I've owned.

I think a combination of casual users having phone and tablets for their everyday stuff, computers needing to be replaced less often, and it being very easy to build rather than buy, means that sales will probably never be what they once were.
 
2013-07-16 11:59:22 AM  
I had a desktop when I bought my first laptop.  I had a laptop when I bought my first tablet.  I currently own a tablet, laptop and a desktop.

The desktop is great when I need the openness to expand and upgrade without having to keep things limited to a travel case and the customization rocks, especially when you have a four screen desktop.

The laptop is great when you need a travel computer, or something light weight that you can play with while you watch television.

The tablet is great if you are just surfing the internet or playing simple games.  There isn't much use for a tablet beyond that.

When I was self employed the tablet was a great tool for phone lists of prospective people to call for appointments.  It was light weight which made it easy to carry, but too limited to go much beyond that.  When I did my appointment presentations, I needed my laptop.

The PC is not going anywhere.
 
2013-07-16 12:05:23 PM  
Someday we'll all have little smartphones on our wrists like the omni-tool in Mass Effect.

For the desktop PC experience we'll just hook up our smartphones to a hub thingy that connects to a full-sized monitor and a regular keyboard.
 
2013-07-16 12:05:47 PM  
Great Janitor: [...]
The laptop is great when you need a travel computer, or something light weight that you can play with while you watch television.[...].

Really?

Watching TV isn't enough to fulfill your brain, you need to do something else at the same time?

What the fock dude?

/Doesn't watch TV
//Worships his PC
 
2013-07-16 12:11:20 PM  

lemurs: They'll stabilize at some lower-level plateau simply because people need to do work on them.  But when they go home at night, a lot of people will be happier just browsing stuff on a phone or tablet on the couch than sitting at a computer desk or pulling out a laptop.  So PC sales will never be what they once were.


The lines between some of the devices will continue to blur.  By PC do they mean only desktops, or are laptops included in that figure as well?  When you take a device like the MS Surface Pro, which runs the same OS, software, and hardware as any other Windows 8 machine, and can be outfitted with a keyboard, is that a tablet or a laptop?
 
2013-07-16 12:12:12 PM  

creepy ass-cracka: The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.


Yes, but thanks to- among other things- Moore's Law, you won't need to buy a new PC as often as you did in the past.

Think of the difference in a home PC from 1984 as opposed to 1989- the leap forward was incredible. Go '89 to, say, '94, and it's still a huge jump. Now, think about a pretty good home setup from 2009. Quad-core, 4 GB of RAM or so. That machine is not only still functional today, most users wouldn't see a need to upgrade any hardware yet.

People aren't replacing their machines as often- they don't need to.
 
2013-07-16 12:14:12 PM  

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

 
2013-07-16 12:15:59 PM  

Killroy69: Great Janitor: [...]
The laptop is great when you need a travel computer, or something light weight that you can play with while you watch television.[...].

Really?

Watching TV isn't enough to fulfill your brain, you need to do something else at the same time?

What the fock dude?

/Doesn't watch TV
//Worships his PC


In a previous home, there wasn't much room, so I didn't have an office or command center to escape to, thus, using my laptop in the living room.  It became a welcomed escape when my wife would watch shows like 'Glee' and "America's Got Talent" (from what I could see, it wasn't about talent, it was more about who had the better sob story).  Now I do have a command center that I can escape to.
 
2013-07-16 12:16:21 PM  

Dion Fortune: Someday we'll all have little smartphones on our wrists like the omni-tool in Mass Effect.

For the desktop PC experience we'll just hook up our smartphones to a hub thingy that connects to a full-sized monitor and a regular keyboard.


For personal work perhaps.  Until quantum computers are a reality and stable there will always be a need for a desktop for business.  The files I work with these days are typically in the 75-135MB range.
 
2013-07-16 12:17:00 PM  

Dion Fortune: Someday we'll all have little smartphones on our wrists like the omni-tool in Mass EffectPIP Boy in Fallout.


FTFY

Wade_Wilson: Building my first PC this weekend. Meaning first I've built, not first I've owned.


I used to work in IT but got out of it about 9 years ago. then about 5 years ago my power supply fried and I couldn't be bothered to get a new one. so no home computer for about 5 years.

then a few months ago I decided to put my tax return money on a new PC after 5 years of not opening up a case. yesterday I put a water cooling loop in it. I had forgot just how much I love to fiddle with computers.
 
2013-07-16 12:18:02 PM  

lemurs: They'll stabilize at some lower-level plateau simply because people need to do work on them.  But when they go home at night, a lot of people will be happier just browsing stuff on a phone or tablet on the couch than sitting at a computer desk or pulling out a laptop.  So PC sales will never be what they once were.


The hardware on the PC/x86 side is also playing some pretty serious catchup right now on the mobility side.  Like right now I have a Core i3 tablet running Windows 8, which is great because it's a real computer... But it also only gets about 4-5 hours of battery life.  Way short of the ARM tablets out there.

If Bay Trail (the new Intel Atom SoC) delivers like it's supposed to, you'll be able to make a real Windows 8 tablet that has the battery life of an iPad and other ARM tablets while still being powerful enough to get something useful done.
 
2013-07-16 12:18:05 PM  

Gonz: Yes, but thanks to- among other things- Moore's Law, you won't need to buy a new PC as often as you did in the past.

Think of the difference in a home PC from 1984 as opposed to 1989- the leap forward was incredible. Go '89 to, say, '94, and it's still a huge jump. Now, think about a pretty good home setup from 2009. Quad-core, 4 GB of RAM or so. That machine is not only still functional today, most users wouldn't see a need to upgrade any hardware yet.

People aren't replacing their machines as often- they don't need to.


This and the fact a tablet is really just a more personal computer, it's a no brainer.

It's not like people are using computers less or anything.
 
2013-07-16 12:18:45 PM  
Tablets and smartphones are "Personal Computers" as well.

All that is "dying" is the desktop form factor. And its really not ... do you use a tablet at work? Would you want to type out a 50 page document on your tablet?
 
2013-07-16 12:19:17 PM  
I wonder if the amount of home built PC's have gone up as much as 'pre-built' PC sales have gone down.
 
2013-07-16 12:24:52 PM  
i.imgur.com

The greatest homemade computer I've ever seen...
 
2013-07-16 12:27:52 PM  
Great Janitor: I had a desktop when I bought my first laptop. I had a laptop when I bought my first tablet. I currently own a tablet, laptop and a desktop.

My tablet is a nook color that I replaced the firmware on, works well enough, but now I use it more than the laptop so I'm thinking of getting a legit tablet now.

I have a laptop

I have a netbook (great for when I need to work on routers or other junk because I can hold it in one hand like a pizza box and type on it using the other hand).

I have two desktops (my main one running ubuntu, my secondary one is my seldom used older windows box).

// need to build out some sort of storage thingy now as well. RAW images from a SLR tend to eat up space after a while. Especially if you're processing them into ginormous panoramas.

fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net

// need to figure out a good way to print panoramas that isn't too expensive or two low in quality, because some of mine are huge. (this here is 15,088x1,870px)
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-07-16 12:28:48 PM  
ITT: People who do not know the difference between "peak PC" and "the PC is dead forever."
 
2013-07-16 12:30:49 PM  
Great Janitor : The greatest homemade computer I've ever seen...

I'm more of a fan of the Hak5 wall-mountable computer-in-a-shadowbox computer.

farm3.static.flickr.com
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-16 12:32:18 PM  

lordargent: Great Janitor: I had a desktop when I bought my first laptop. I had a laptop when I bought my first tablet. I currently own a tablet, laptop and a desktop.

My tablet is a nook color that I replaced the firmware on, works well enough, but now I use it more than the laptop so I'm thinking of getting a legit tablet now.

I have a laptop

I have a netbook (great for when I need to work on routers or other junk because I can hold it in one hand like a pizza box and type on it using the other hand).

I have two desktops (my main one running ubuntu, my secondary one is my seldom used older windows box).

// need to build out some sort of storage thingy now as well. RAW images from a SLR tend to eat up space after a while. Especially if you're processing them into ginormous panoramas.

[fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x146]

// need to figure out a good way to print panoramas that isn't too expensive or two low in quality, because some of mine are huge. (this here is 15,088x1,870px)
[fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 850x105]


I recommend a Synology NAS.  If you feel like taking the DIY approach, FreeNAS is a very solid alternative.
 
2013-07-16 12:33:31 PM  
To echo what others have already said, I have a desktop, tablet, smartphone, kindle reader and a laptop. I use my desktop the most. Won't need to upgrade for another 5 yrs minimum. Assembled it like 2 1/2 yrs ago.
Hardware is frickin advanced nowadays and super fast. Had a dual core E4400 2.0 Ghz before and would probably have been ok for just doing general web browsing and word processing and watching movies (maybe in 720p not full HD)

Now can run multiple VMs, transcode blurays, run batch processes for video rendering, play video games on max settings, watch live TV, shows or movies all at the same time on a multiple monitor setup without a hitch.
 
2013-07-16 12:35:24 PM  
Driedsponge: I recommend a Synology NAS. If you feel like taking the DIY approach, FreeNAS is a very solid alternative.

I am considering both possibilities.

I just haven't had the time to do the research (let alone build it) currently. I have enough space to last me until maybe the end of the year and then I won't have any option but to do it :D
 
2013-07-16 12:41:37 PM  
Driedsponge: I recommend a Synology NAS. If you feel like taking the DIY approach, FreeNAS is a very solid alternative.

I mean, considering what they're charging for their 4 disk systems diskless systems, I think I could build a box for that price (and then be able to run whatever I wanted on that box or swap out parts/upgrade as needed, and run a media encoder on the box as well).

This would be a tertiary copy of the data, so the actual reads/writes from backing up would be fairly low (I currently do a diff backup from the two disks in RAID1 that are in the workstation, to an external WD drive. I also do incremental backups to the WD drive whenever I've finished a project (EX, parsing a bunch of panoramas)).

After building/buying the new box though, I plan to use the external WD drive as incremental only, and do the monthly odd/even backups to the box.
 
2013-07-16 12:44:26 PM  

creepy ass-cracka: The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.


Sure, but are you upgrading as often as you used to?  Part of the slowdown in sales is probably because the demand for faster processors has died off.  Mainstream office workers don't need much more than a Core i5 dual core for the daily drudgery of email, word processing, spreadsheets and powerpoint.  High end video editors and gamers are served very well by the high end graphics processors of 2 years ago, AFAIK.
 
2013-07-16 12:46:14 PM  

nmemkha: Tablets and smartphones are "Personal Computers" as well.

All that is "dying" is the desktop form factor. And its really not ... do you use a tablet at work? Would you want to type out a 50 page document on your tablet?


As soon as someone figures out a replacement for the QWERTY keyboard, tablet + Google glass will replace even work PCs.
 
2013-07-16 12:50:31 PM  

lemurs: They'll stabilize at some lower-level plateau simply because people need to do work on them.  But when they go home at night, a lot of people will be happier just browsing stuff on a phone or tablet on the couch than sitting at a computer desk or pulling out a laptop.  So PC sales will never be what they once were.


True, but neither will they disappear.  Businesses will need PCs, enthusiasts will want PCs, etc.  What you're witnessing is the commoditization of the PC; it's no longer a growth market, but nor is it simply going to go away.  It's mature.

And that means there's going to be a lot of bloodletting, considering that, in the modern corporate world, it's accepted as gospel that if you're not growing, you're dying.
 
2013-07-16 12:55:45 PM  
steve_wmn: Sure, but are you upgrading as often as you used to? Part of the slowdown in sales is probably because the demand for faster processors has died off. Mainstream office workers don't need much more than a Core i5 dual core for the daily drudgery of email, word processing, spreadsheets and powerpoint. High end video editors and gamers are served very well by the high end graphics processors of 2 years ago, AFAIK.

Lately, the push has been for more cores vs speed increases.

More cores means you can run more crap at the same time.

http://lordargent.com/temp/tech/multitasking.png
 
2013-07-16 12:59:37 PM  

creepy ass-cracka: The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.


Good for you.  But that doesn't matter to the vast majority of people who don't need PCs and will never buy them.  Within a few years you will be in the extreme minority of computer users who own a PC.

/enjoy
 
2013-07-16 01:02:14 PM  
nmemkha: Tablets and smartphones are "Personal Computers" as well.

Only if you are Microsoft trying to justify a dying business model.

All that is "dying" is the desktop form factor. And its really not ... do you use a tablet at work? Would you want to type out a 50 page document on your tablet?

Just because you can't seem to manage it doesn't mean others aren't.  And they are.
 
2013-07-16 01:07:31 PM  

lordargent: Great Janitor: I had a desktop when I bought my first laptop. I had a laptop when I bought my first tablet. I currently own a tablet, laptop and a desktop.

My tablet is a nook color that I replaced the firmware on, works well enough, but now I use it more than the laptop so I'm thinking of getting a legit tablet now.


I also have a desktop, laptop and Nook Color (rooted and running Jellybean). I find that I use my desktop the most, followed by the laptop. People seem to like and use their tablets a lot (and that's great), but I just haven't seen many use cases where I wouldn't prefer a small, light laptop.

The Nook is a fantastic platform for reading ebooks, but I haven't warmed to it for any other uses. The screen is too small for web browsing, it's too big to use as an mp3 player, I don't want to hold a device for two hours while watching a movie and typing more than a few words is agonizingly slow. I do bring it when I'm traveling very light, but invariably get frustrated when I come across a task that could be accomplished faster and less painfully on the laptop.
 
2013-07-16 01:08:42 PM  

gingerjet: nmemkha: Tablets and smartphones are "Personal Computers" as well.

Only if you are Microsoft trying to justify a dying business model.

All that is "dying" is the desktop form factor. And its really not ... do you use a tablet at work? Would you want to type out a 50 page document on your tablet?

Just because you can't seem to manage it doesn't mean others aren't.  And they are.


I hate tapping out anything on a tablet more than a paragraph.  I have big fingers.  A traditional keyboard is great and allows me to touch type.  Tablets and smart phones have such small screens that I end up misspelling quite a bit, plus with it being on glass, I can't feel where my fingers are in relation to the keys. Even the screen of my iPad, when turned sideways, isn't as big as the keyboard on my laptop.
 
2013-07-16 01:11:31 PM  

gingerjet: nmemkha: Tablets and smartphones are "Personal Computers" as well.

Only if you are Microsoft trying to justify a dying business model.

All that is "dying" is the desktop form factor. And its really not ... do you use a tablet at work? Would you want to type out a 50 page document on your tablet?

Just because you can't seem to manage it doesn't mean others aren't.  And they are.


With the help of an add-on keyboard which essentially turns your tablet into a crippled, clumsy, underpowered laptop.
 
2013-07-16 01:13:03 PM  

Great Janitor: I had a desktop when I bought my first laptop.  I had a laptop when I bought my first tablet.  I currently own a tablet, laptop and a desktop.

The desktop is great when I need the openness to expand and upgrade without having to keep things limited to a travel case and the customization rocks, especially when you have a four screen desktop.

The laptop is great when you need a travel computer, or something light weight that you can play with while you watch television.

The tablet is great if you are just surfing the internet or playing simple games.  There isn't much use for a tablet beyond that.

When I was self employed the tablet was a great tool for phone lists of prospective people to call for appointments.  It was light weight which made it easy to carry, but too limited to go much beyond that.  When I did my appointment presentations, I needed my laptop.

The PC is not going anywhere.


Either we agree totally on the role of a desktop, laptop, and tablet, or I went into a fugue state and posted that under an alt.  I am looking at upgrading right now, and I want to build a new desktop.  At some point, I am thinking of a new laptop, and thinking of a Surface Pro.  My Kindle Fire isn't the fastest or coolest, but it does simple games and light surfing which is all I really expect from a tablet.
 
2013-07-16 01:13:48 PM  

gingerjet: creepy ass-cracka: The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.

Good for you.  But that doesn't matter to the vast majority of people who don't need PCs and will never buy them.  Within a few years you will be in the extreme minority of computer users who own a PC.

/enjoy


According to Pew Research about 76% of the US population owns either a Desktop, a Laptop, or both right now.  There's no way that suddenly owning a desktop or laptop  (what I'd consider to be PCs) will suddenly be a minority position within a few years.

Tablet sales will increase and likely exceed PC sales because most people don't have tablets - there's a lot more room for growth in a fledgling industry than in one that's reached market saturation.

The PC isn't dead, it's just saturated the market.  Once practically everyone has one that wants one you have to rely on replacements to drive sales instead of new users, and since the power of hardware has been improving faster than the hardware requirements of popular software, people are having to replace less often.

There may be some people who give up on the idea of a 'real' computer altogether, but most aren't going to be willing to do the majority of their work via a touch screen on a tablet - there's just no benefit to doing that.  Tablets may become more PC-like such a the Surface Pro, which is basically a PC calling itself a tablet.
 
2013-07-16 01:15:38 PM  
Mitt Romneys Tax Return: The Nook is a fantastic platform for reading ebooks, but I haven't warmed to it for any other uses.

I haven't used the nook as an ebook reader (bought it with the intention of rooting it) I already had a kindle (and actually, I now own two kindles).

I use the nook to look up things on the web (wikipedia etc) or do crosswords while watching TV or gaming. My laptop (with the extended battery) is not lightweight :D

The tablet basically took over the role that the netbook previously had (lightweight web surfing thingy).

I do use the desktop more, but that's basically obligatory for a programmer.
 
2013-07-16 01:16:38 PM  
Today's PCs have plateau'd to a degree,

I'm a gamer. Not one of those sissy console wannabes, but a hardcore gamer. My gaming rig was ridiculously overpowered when I built it 1.5 years ago, and won't need any real upgrading for a long, long time. And I barely spent $1100 doing it. 8 cores, RAM overclocked to 1600mhz, holy crap Batman!

The PC for people like me will never die. And, as long as actual work or play is unpossible on tablets (unless we are talking like Angry Birds), there will always BE a market for PCs.

And that's not counting work PCs either!

So, I disagree with the premise of the argument. Just because the ratio of real computers to laptops/tablets/phones is dropping due to high sales numbers of the latter, it does not constitute a 'replacement' of the former.
 
2013-07-16 01:17:13 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: gingerjet: nmemkha: Tablets and smartphones are "Personal Computers" as well.

Only if you are Microsoft trying to justify a dying business model.

All that is "dying" is the desktop form factor. And its really not ... do you use a tablet at work? Would you want to type out a 50 page document on your tablet?

Just because you can't seem to manage it doesn't mean others aren't.  And they are.

With the help of an add-on keyboard which essentially turns your tablet into a crippled, clumsy, underpowered laptop.


Which is still more than enough for a lot of people, and it makes business travel lighter.
Which is fine for most of my users, but I can't do my whole job from a tablet unless I use it to console into a thin client, which is a PC.

But tablets are great otherwise.
 
2013-07-16 01:25:45 PM  
If a tablet isn't a pc then I don't know what is. The form factor is changing that is all.
 
2013-07-16 01:27:39 PM  

xaks: So, I disagree with the premise of the argument. Just because the ratio of real computers to laptops/tablets/phones is dropping due to high sales numbers of the latter, it does not constitute a 'replacement' of the former


Yep.  While overall PC sales may be going down dramatically, the sale of PC games has stayed relatively steady.  High-end systems for high-end PC gaming will still be sold, you just won't be able to sell those same systems to people who do office work anymore.

The PC isn't dying, it's just being diversified into different machines for different needs.
 
2013-07-16 01:31:11 PM  

creepy ass-cracka: The PC is a powerful tool that is indispensable to the sort of computing I do on a regular basis. If more folks want to let the dust settle on their PCs while they play Angry Birds and check Twitter, that's cool. But tablets and phones won't cut it for me.



i'm still waiting for that magical mobile device that has a 27 inch wide screen monitor and a home stereo system with a big fat subwoofer pushing a few hundred watts rms.

until then, i'll stick to my little 'ole PC thank you very much.
 
2013-07-16 01:31:49 PM  
Tablets and Smart Phones ARE personal computers, its just a different form factor (of which there have always been many).
 
2013-07-16 01:32:12 PM  
An oft-repeated story, but not surprising in the least.

Most people bought a personal computer because it was the only option that allowed them to check email, surf the web, etc. People like my wife, for instance.  Outside of the office, she's a very casual computer user, and has only one "serious" need for a PC -- the rare occasions when she works from home. Everything else is Facebook, email, games (one game in her case, Scrabble), and other similar activities.  Now that she has both a smartphone and tablet (essentially both tablets, just of differing sizes), her computer will often sit there inactive for a week or more at a stretch because she can do everything but work on her tablets.  And in the evening, she can even work on her tablets because most of her evening work is just reading/replying to emails.

Even I, as a database programmer/analyst, find less and less reason for a PC, even though my job is almost 100% PC-based.  I work from home occasionally (typically once a week), but other than that, my PC sits turned on but idle, while activities I used to use the PC for are instead redirected to a handheld tablet.

The same thing will eventually happen to the tablet market.  Once the market becomes saturated, they'll have to deal with being ubiquitous.

/PC isn't actually idle, it's always running a variety of grid computing projects in the background using the BOINC client
 
2013-07-16 01:32:46 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: There is no need to upgrade a computer bought in the past 2-3 years.  At least not the entire computer.  Processor speeds have stabilized, Winblow 8 is a festering abortion wrapped in a bag of pig vomit, nothing is really pushing computers to the limit right now.  Why bother upgrading unless you want the latest shiny?



you can upgrade your existing system by intalling Linux Mint with MATE desktop.    it'll run faster and is more secure.
 
2013-07-16 01:33:09 PM  

comhcinc: If a tablet isn't a pc then I don't know what is. The form factor is changing that is all.


You don't know what is, then.  The only tablets that could be considered PCs are Win8 and Android tablets.  iPads, WinRT tablets, and anything else where you're limited to a single application provider are more akin to game consoles than actual PCs.
 
2013-07-16 01:35:31 PM  

Great Janitor: [i.imgur.com image 767x692]

The greatest homemade computer I've ever seen...



i don't think a mobile device can compete with that. i'm assuming its also connected to a nice home stereo system and subwoofer.
 
2013-07-16 01:38:17 PM  

HeartBurnKid: You don't know what is, then.  The only tablets that could be considered PCs are Win8 and Android tablets.  iPads, WinRT tablets, and anything else where you're limited to a single application provider are more akin to game consoles than actual PCs.


hardware, not software. pc =/= os
 
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