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(Yahoo)   A mathematical study has found that invisible fleets of robotic space probes from alien civilizations could be, or could have been, in our solar system. Or not   (uk.news.yahoo.com) divider line 332
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2013-07-16 11:06:58 AM  
This is one of the most fundamentally lazy stories I've ever heard.

Guy from Yahoo (taking a bong hit): "Could there be aliens we don't know about listening to our babble?"

Scientist (taking a bong hit): "There could be thousands of alien civilizations listening in on our every conversation for millions of years and we wouldn't know because it's invisible and impossible to detect."

Guy from Yahoo (taking a bong hit): "OMG I have my next story."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-16 11:34:31 AM  
Those are called Bracewell probes.
Not a new idea.
 
2013-07-16 11:39:11 AM  
So ET has been anally probing us for all these years because

X=2

/Seems legit. Increase funding for all space-based weapons systems.
 
2013-07-16 11:40:28 AM  
I think an alien civilization that is advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel and exploration really wouldn't give a damn about a bunch of hairless apes on our rock, and would have outgrown the narcissism that plague us humans.  The gap between their intelligence and ours would be like the gap between us and chimps or baboons.  An alien race exploring our solar system would be looking for resources, particularly hydrogen, and would focus on the gas giants, and maybe the asteroid belt nearer Mars for metals.
 
2013-07-16 11:53:35 AM  
Unfortunately, due to a miscalculation of scale, they were all eaten by a small dog.
 
2013-07-16 12:09:58 PM  
They're out there right now, with brightly-festooned star cruisers advertising "SEE THE HILLBILLIES OF THE GALAXY! Landing excursions and probing for a nominal added fee!"
 
2013-07-16 12:12:15 PM  
Invisible Katy Perry could be under my desk right now, blowing me.

/but I doubt it
//I don't even have my pants down
///yet
 
2013-07-16 12:12:46 PM  
Argumentation ad ignorantiam is not "a mathematical study."
 
2013-07-16 12:21:34 PM  

vpb: Those are called Bracewell probes.
Not a new idea.


I thought what was described in the article was more akin to a Von Neumann probe.


Oh, and:

s21.postimg.org
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-16 12:25:05 PM  

UberDave: vpb: Those are called Bracewell probes.
Not a new idea.

I thought what was described in the article was more akin to a Von Neumann probe.



Well, it's kind of both I think.
 
2013-07-16 12:26:14 PM  

UberDave: vpb: Those are called Bracewell probes.
Not a new idea.

I thought what was described in the article was more akin to a Von Neumann probe.


Oh, and:

[s21.postimg.org image 286x475]


Ugh - poorly written techno-masturbatory fantasy
 
2013-07-16 12:29:23 PM  

Fark It: I think an alien civilization that is advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel and exploration really wouldn't give a damn about a bunch of hairless apes on our rock, and would have outgrown the narcissism that plague us humans.  The gap between their intelligence and ours would be like the gap between us and chimps or baboons.  An alien race exploring our solar system would be looking for resources, particularly hydrogen, and would focus on the gas giants, and maybe the asteroid belt nearer Mars for metals.


I don't know about that. I can imagine a hit TV show on some far away planet called WTF? Earth.

/Larry Niven wrote a short story like that. Not really, but sort of. Like that.
 
2013-07-16 12:40:21 PM  

Fark It: I think an alien civilization that is advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel and exploration really wouldn't give a damn about a bunch of hairless apes on our rock, and would have outgrown the narcissism that plague us humans.  The gap between their intelligence and ours would be like the gap between us and chimps or baboons.  An alien race exploring our solar system would be looking for resources, particularly hydrogen, and would focus on the gas giants, and maybe the asteroid belt nearer Mars for metals.


A few points.

1.  What makes you think their intelligence would be greater?  We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.  We've just developed more technology.  Alien civilizations could be like that:  Roughly the same intelligence, but they've got technology that we haven't yet developed.

2. Even presupposing that they are more intelligent, don't you think they'd *WANT* to study us?  A less intelligent, yet still technologically advanced species?  I know that I'd be interested if we found a tribe of chimps that could knap flint and make primitive spears.  Intensely interested, in fact.

3. You're presupposing both that a species is vastly more intelligent, and at the same time pretending that you'd know what their motivations would be.  Do you not see the inherent problem with that?
 
2013-07-16 12:46:59 PM  
dittybopper: Fark It: I think an alien civilization that is advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel and exploration really wouldn't give a damn about a bunch of hairless apes on our rock, and would have outgrown the narcissism that plague us humans.  The gap between their intelligence and ours would be like the gap between us and chimps or baboons.  An alien race exploring our solar system would be looking for resources, particularly hydrogen, and would focus on the gas giants, and maybe the asteroid belt nearer Mars for metals.

A few points.

1.  What makes you think their intelligence would be greater?  We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.  We've just developed more technology.  Alien civilizations could be like that:  Roughly the same intelligence, but they've got technology that we haven't yet developed.

2. Even presupposing that they are more intelligent, don't you think they'd *WANT* to study us?  A less intelligent, yet still technologically advanced species?  I know that I'd be interested if we found a tribe of chimps that could knap flint and make primitive spears.  Intensely interested, in fact.

3. You're presupposing both that a species is vastly more intelligent, and at the same time pretending that you'd know what their motivations would be.  Do you not see the inherent problem with that?


Well stated
 
2013-07-16 12:47:51 PM  
Heh heh.

Probe.

Heh heh heh.
 
2013-07-16 12:47:55 PM  

DarwiOdrade: UberDave: vpb: Those are called Bracewell probes.
Not a new idea.

I thought what was described in the article was more akin to a Von Neumann probe.


Oh, and:

[s21.postimg.org image 286x475]

Ugh - poorly written techno-masturbatory fantasy


You'd be surprised how many people can't tell when they're reading a fantasy.
 
2013-07-16 12:49:37 PM  

PainInTheASP: So ET has been anally probing us for all these years because

X=2

/Seems legit. Increase funding for all space-based weapons systems.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-16 12:50:27 PM  
www.upl.co
 
2013-07-16 12:50:37 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Heh heh.

Probe.

Heh heh heh.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-16 12:51:43 PM  

vpb: Those are called Bracewell probes.
Not a new idea.


Explains my sinus headache. Also that really loud voice shouting KILL ALL HUMANS in my right ear all the time.
 
2013-07-16 12:51:58 PM  

dittybopper: Fark It: I think an alien civilization that is advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel and exploration really wouldn't give a damn about a bunch of hairless apes on our rock, and would have outgrown the narcissism that plague us humans.  The gap between their intelligence and ours would be like the gap between us and chimps or baboons.  An alien race exploring our solar system would be looking for resources, particularly hydrogen, and would focus on the gas giants, and maybe the asteroid belt nearer Mars for metals.

A few points.

1.  What makes you think their intelligence would be greater?  We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.  We've just developed more technology.  Alien civilizations could be like that:  Roughly the same intelligence, but they've got technology that we haven't yet developed.

2. Even presupposing that they are more intelligent, don't you think they'd *WANT* to study us?  A less intelligent, yet still technologically advanced species?  I know that I'd be interested if we found a tribe of chimps that could knap flint and make primitive spears.  Intensely interested, in fact.

3. You're presupposing both that a species is vastly more intelligent, and at the same time pretending that you'd know what their motivations would be.  Do you not see the inherent problem with that?


"Vastly more intelligent than us" really means "way smarter than the morons I am surrounded by, almost as smart as me".
 
2013-07-16 12:52:22 PM  
That's where the missing 90% of the universe's mass is.
 
2013-07-16 12:53:32 PM  
 
2013-07-16 12:53:54 PM  
Romulans.
 
2013-07-16 12:53:57 PM  
Here's Tom with the weather
 
2013-07-16 12:54:10 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Argumentation ad ignorantiam is not "a mathematical study."


It is if it's done rigorously.
 
2013-07-16 12:54:26 PM  
If the aliens were smart, they'd leave some sort of beacon just outside the solar system that broadcasts, "Stay Away!  These farkers are absolutely apeshiat insane!!!"
 
2013-07-16 12:55:05 PM  
dittybopper:
1.  What makes you think their intelligence would be greater?  We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.  We've just developed more technology.  Alien civilizations could be like that:  Roughly the same intelligence, but they've got technology that we haven't yet developed.


Chances are they would have augmented their intelligence with technology or using technology (genetics).  Hell, we're fairly close to that ourselves.
 
2013-07-16 12:55:19 PM  
So a rehash of a mish-mash of all the exact same speculation for the past sixty years.
 
2013-07-16 12:55:37 PM  
skepticalcubefarm.files.wordpress.com

/oblig
 
2013-07-16 12:56:07 PM  
For the love of God, someone feed the dog a sandwich.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:08 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

The goal is to transport a fleet of robots to another planet and allow them to navigate the terrain with more intricacy than any space probe has done before. It, it sounds slightly fantastic, but the only obstacle I can foresee is devising a renewable energy source. In any case, this is the future of space exploration. It does not include living entities.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:23 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Argumentation ad ignorantiam is not "a mathematical study."


You don't know that.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:25 PM  
I've often thought that we're a pretty primative species who blast chunks of metal with our signatures etfched in gold plates on thaem into space and towards stars using what are basically containers filled with refined dinosaur poop. If there have been numerous species out there with more advanced technology than ours, I would think our solar system would be littered with the skeletal husks of dead probes.

Now, the tricky part would be actually finding said dead probes, but it's always been a really interesting idea to me. Billions of years worth of high tech space junk just floating around in our back yard and we're centuries away from having the eyes to find it.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-16 12:57:13 PM  
So this explains the voices I'm hearing and my obsession with putting things up my ass....
 
2013-07-16 12:58:24 PM  

Mjeck: So this explains the voices I'm hearing and my obsession with putting things up my ass....


No, that was gophers.
 
2013-07-16 12:58:50 PM  
If any aliens are reading this, I'd just like to say 2 things:

1) Welcome to Fark.
2) Please stay out of our asses. There is nothing in our asses that is going to save your dying planet. Thank you.
 
2013-07-16 12:59:07 PM  
They are saying it's aliens.
 
2013-07-16 01:00:26 PM  

dittybopper: We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.


So, you really believe that man of today is no more able to control his environment than he was 100,000 years ago?
Really?

All I can say is...wow
 
2013-07-16 01:01:04 PM  

Somacandra: Mjeck: So this explains the voices I'm hearing and my obsession with putting things up my ass....

No, that was gophers

gerbils
www.comicbookmovie.com
ftfy
 
2013-07-16 01:02:33 PM  

dpzum1: dittybopper: We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.

So, you really believe that man of today is no more able to control his environment than he was 100,000 years ago?
Really?

All I can say is...wow


Intelligence and technology are completely different things.  Imagine you were born 100,000 years ago without any of the knowledge that has been accumulated by the species and were just surviving on instinct.  Hell, we practically have riots when the power is off for more than a day or two.  Your ability to think and reason would have been exactly the same.  Your perception of the world?  Not so much.
 
2013-07-16 01:02:53 PM  
My doctor says it's hemorrhoids. I say it's a cleverly camouflaged alien probe.


.
 
2013-07-16 01:03:36 PM  

ciderczar: DarwiOdrade: Argumentation ad ignorantiam is not "a mathematical study."

You don't know that.


thebigrocks.com
 
2013-07-16 01:03:43 PM  

UberDave: dittybopper:
1.  What makes you think their intelligence would be greater?  We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.  We've just developed more technology.  Alien civilizations could be like that:  Roughly the same intelligence, but they've got technology that we haven't yet developed.


Chances are they would have augmented their intelligence with technology or using technology (genetics).  Hell, we're fairly close to that ourselves.


As a species we have to adapt our bodies with cybernetic implants and machine replacements, or genetically engineer ourselves, or a combination of both.

/Singularity!
 
2013-07-16 01:04:12 PM  

NutWrench: 2) Please stay out of our asses. There is nothing in our asses that is going to save your dying planet. Thank you.


You don't know that, ape!
 
2013-07-16 01:04:20 PM  
I think we don't find aliens because each alien civilization perfects the holodeck before they perfect faster-than-light-travel.  Why go there when you can simulate it perfectly?  Why travel hundreds of light years to see if some planet has life, probably microscopic spores, when you can simulate your own blonde three breasted life in your own living room?
 
2013-07-16 01:04:39 PM  

dittybopper: 1. What makes you think their intelligence would be greater? We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.


Not only are we smarter than 100kya, we're smarter than we were ten years ago.

We've just developed more technology. Alien civilizations could be like that: Roughly the same intelligence, but they've got technology that we haven't yet developed.

Could be.
 
2013-07-16 01:05:11 PM  
Here's some kind of UFO chart based on bong hits  eyewitnesses.
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-16 01:08:02 PM  

dpzum1: dittybopper: We're no more intelligent than people who lived 100,000 years ago.

So, you really believe that man of today is no more able to control his environment than he was 100,000 years ago?
Really?

All I can say is...wow


Well, based upon your reading comprehension skills, I can see that my hypothesis is true.

Let's look at this another way.

Are you any more intelligent than your great grandparents were?  Almost certainly not.  You have access to things that they didn't have, but that doesn't make you any more intelligent.  It may make you better informed, or able to do more things, but just because you can look stuff up in the blink of an eye, that doesn't mean that you are *SMARTER* than they were.

You just have better technology.

If they had access to the same things you do, they'd probably be just as 'smart' as you are.

You are conflating access to technology with intelligence.

Don't do that.

Fark itself is proof you are wrong.
 
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