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(C|Net)   Contrary to all evidence, Yahoo and the FISA court can sometimes do a good thing   (news.cnet.com) divider line 14
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2013-07-16 12:19:15 PM
I'm sure they can.  That's not the issue.  The issue is the cost to our rights and privacy.
 
2013-07-16 12:26:27 PM
That's not a good thing! That's the FISC, NSA and Yahoo covering their own asses! Unless you expect the declassified documents to consist of anything more than:

[REDACTED] Yahoo [REDACTED] refused cooperation [REDACTED] rectal aardvark [REDACTED] complied. [REDACTED]
 
2013-07-16 12:36:15 PM
Both are desperate to make Americans think they are the 'good guys'. Strictly a PR move.
 
2013-07-16 01:10:49 PM
As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.
 
2013-07-16 02:19:34 PM

BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.


Are those the only two options?
 
2013-07-16 02:55:59 PM

BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.


What was wrong with due process?
 
2013-07-16 05:33:52 PM

MrEricSir: BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.

What was wrong with due process?


Too slow.  Turr'sts are using the internets to hatch plots, and we must catch them before they happen.  I mean, look at what would have happened had they not done this.  Someone may have blown up the Boston Marathon.

Meanwhile today, my girlfriend can't send me a goddamned text message because the NSA's aggregator is farked up and it's losing all the traffic.  We have to use google chat.  Google saves everything anyway so it'll just get bulk uploaded at the end of the night.
 
2013-07-16 08:09:33 PM
In short, they want to show they put up "the good fight", which is sad because in the end, they still lost.
 
2013-07-17 01:00:10 AM

Evil High Priest: BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.

Are those the only two options?


With the fallout from the Bush administration and its legacy of failed foreign policy? No.

We don't right now. Sorry that puts your star spangled pannehs in a snit.
 
2013-07-17 02:46:46 AM

MrEricSir: BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.

What was wrong with due process?


Prior to FISA, there was no process. The NSA, the CIA, and the FBI were completely unrestrained. Look up the Church Committee some time, and see some of the things they revealed which were, prior to FISA, standard procedure. It's chilling.
 
2013-07-17 02:55:42 AM

BMulligan: MrEricSir: BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.

What was wrong with due process?

Prior to FISA, there was no process. The NSA, the CIA, and the FBI were completely unrestrained. Look up the Church Committee some time, and see some of the things they revealed which were, prior to FISA, standard procedure. It's chilling.


Oh I've read all about the LSD whorehouses that drunk CIA operatives were running. Thing is, carving a legal path so that rampant abuse can continue doesn't actually solve the problem.
 
2013-07-17 06:48:20 PM

MrEricSir: BMulligan: MrEricSir: BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.

What was wrong with due process?

Prior to FISA, there was no process. The NSA, the CIA, and the FBI were completely unrestrained. Look up the Church Committee some time, and see some of the things they revealed which were, prior to FISA, standard procedure. It's chilling.

Oh I've read all about the LSD whorehouses that drunk CIA operatives were running. Thing is, carving a legal path so that rampant abuse can continue doesn't actually solve the problem.


Because having due process in government= "carving a legal path" for "rampant abuse."

Mmm'kay.
 
2013-07-17 06:53:16 PM

whidbey: MrEricSir: BMulligan: MrEricSir: BMulligan: As much as I question the specifics of how the FISC operates, I have no desire to return to the bad old days before FISA was enacted.

What was wrong with due process?

Prior to FISA, there was no process. The NSA, the CIA, and the FBI were completely unrestrained. Look up the Church Committee some time, and see some of the things they revealed which were, prior to FISA, standard procedure. It's chilling.

Oh I've read all about the LSD whorehouses that drunk CIA operatives were running. Thing is, carving a legal path so that rampant abuse can continue doesn't actually solve the problem.

Because having due process in government= "carving a legal path" for "rampant abuse."

Mmm'kay.


Well, that may be the most bizarre misreading of any comment I've ever seen. Good job!
 
2013-07-17 07:02:59 PM

MrEricSir: Well, that may be the most bizarre misreading of any comment I've ever seen. Good job!


I read your statement quite clearly. You seem to think that there is no way to legitimize any of what the NSA is doing.
 
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