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(Jalopnik)   Duck & Cover: Come for the Soviet's Atomic Cannon, stay for America's own "Atomic Annie", an 85-ton, 280mm howitzer that shot a nuclear round called "Little Fella"   (jalopnik.com) divider line 41
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2013-07-16 09:53:51 AM
They used to have an Atomic Annie at the Aberdeen Proving Ground museum.  There was a big sign 10 feet
from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.
 
2013-07-16 10:01:43 AM
The USA also built an atomic bazooka...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
 
2013-07-16 10:01:50 AM
DjangoStonereaver:  There was a big sign 10 feet from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.

That was probably just there to make it look "scary" or ominous or something.
 
2013-07-16 10:01:52 AM
Firing the nuclear artillery piece sounds like a stressful job.

Theres probably a shiatty retirement plan too.
 
2013-07-16 10:02:42 AM
Check out the documentary: "Trinity and beyond, the atomic bomb movie"

You can see that cannon in action.
 
2013-07-16 10:04:09 AM

UberDave: DjangoStonereaver:  There was a big sign 10 feet from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.

That was probably just there to make it look "scary" or ominous or something.


Believe me: it didn't need it:

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-16 10:07:12 AM

DjangoStonereaver: UberDave: DjangoStonereaver:  There was a big sign 10 feet from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.

That was probably just there to make it look "scary" or ominous or something.

Believe me: it didn't need it:

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x361]


That's a great museum. It was sad to see it in such disrepair the last time I was there
 
2013-07-16 10:10:29 AM
Woo, macro-cannons!
 
2013-07-16 10:10:31 AM
Will be useful when the Posleen come....


/probably really obscure.
 
2013-07-16 10:11:17 AM

SuperChuck: DjangoStonereaver: UberDave: DjangoStonereaver:  There was a big sign 10 feet from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.

That was probably just there to make it look "scary" or ominous or something.

Believe me: it didn't need it:

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x361]

That's a great museum. It was sad to see it in such disrepair the last time I was there


According to wikipedia, the museum itself closed in September 2010, though (for obvious reasons), they
left the extensive outdoor displays in place.

I visited there many, many years ago, early in the morning (in pre-9/11 days it was an open base) and it
was quite an enhancement to see so many old tanks in the early dawn mist.
 
2013-07-16 10:23:39 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

/hot like an atom bomb
 
2013-07-16 10:26:04 AM
oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2013-07-16 10:33:41 AM

Scarlioni: The USA also built an atomic bazooka...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)


The big downside to these systems is their effect radius exceeded their range.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:11 AM

DjangoStonereaver: SuperChuck: DjangoStonereaver: UberDave: DjangoStonereaver:  There was a big sign 10 feet from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.

That was probably just there to make it look "scary" or ominous or something.

Believe me: it didn't need it:

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x361]

That's a great museum. It was sad to see it in such disrepair the last time I was there

According to wikipedia, the museum itself closed in September 2010, though (for obvious reasons), they
left the extensive outdoor displays in place.

I visited there many, many years ago, early in the morning (in pre-9/11 days it was an open base) and it
was quite an enhancement to see so many old tanks in the early dawn mist.


I think it was 2009 the last time I was there. A lot of the old tanks were pretty rusty and at least one had a bird's nest in the barrel.
 
2013-07-16 10:46:17 AM
I used to live on Fort Sill, Oklahoma, just around the corner from where Atomic Annie sits to this day. Also two miles from Geronimo's grave.
 
2013-07-16 10:50:05 AM
When I was a kid, the local arsenal held a big Armed Forces Day celebration each year. We got to jump off parachute towers and slide down zip lines to a landing pit and do other cool things. One year they announced that they were bringing in the Atomic Cannon. Everyone was looking forward to it but a week before the event an announcement was made that it would not be coming. Our neighbor who worked at the arsenal told us the real story. The only place it could have been displayed was a parking lot on a riverbank. Someone finally got around to thinking about the load it would place on the lot and realized that the cannon and most of the lot would have wound up in the river. Shame they figured it out, would have been the greatest AFD ever!
 
2013-07-16 11:16:37 AM

SuperChuck: DjangoStonereaver: SuperChuck: DjangoStonereaver: UberDave: DjangoStonereaver:  There was a big sign 10 feet from it that cautioned people to stay away due to the lingering radiation.

That was probably just there to make it look "scary" or ominous or something.

Believe me: it didn't need it:

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x361]

That's a great museum. It was sad to see it in such disrepair the last time I was there

According to wikipedia, the museum itself closed in September 2010, though (for obvious reasons), they
left the extensive outdoor displays in place.

I visited there many, many years ago, early in the morning (in pre-9/11 days it was an open base) and it
was quite an enhancement to see so many old tanks in the early dawn mist.

I think it was 2009 the last time I was there. A lot of the old tanks were pretty rusty and at least one had a bird's nest in the barrel.


Sadly, the museum is now no longer going to be reopened, and all but one of the tanks, an airplane, and the 16-inch coastal defense cannon has been shipped elsewhere, to a number of other Army bases.

I'll miss them.  It was two blocks from my office.
 
2013-07-16 11:18:05 AM
Have to watch Trinity and Beyond again now.
 
2013-07-16 11:19:55 AM
They mortar'd us up the bomb.
 
2013-07-16 12:06:40 PM
"Hang fire"
"Private, get that shell out there"
"F88k you"
 
2013-07-16 12:17:39 PM
Interesting note. That explosion (Grable) was filmed in CinemaScope and was the only time that they got a doubled topped mushroom cloud (I'm not sure how to describe the look of the cloud but that's what it looks like to me). And it was the one and only time they fired that cannon even though that had build several they only used it once and then mothballed the idea.
 
2013-07-16 12:22:23 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Scarlioni: The USA also built an atomic bazooka...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

The big downside to these systems is their effect radius exceeded their range.


according to the wikipedia article the m28 had a range of a little over a mile a yield equivalent to 18 tons of TNT and a lethal radiation blast range of about 1/2 of a mile. So as long as you were upwind and didn't accidentally aim low(it was noted to have very poor accuracy during testing) you'd probably be fine.
 
2013-07-16 12:28:00 PM
There's also an Atomic Annie sitting on a hilltop near I-70 across from Ft. Riley in Junction City, Kansas.

Too bad about Aberdeen. I went there with the future Mrs. Ranger some years ago, before they started moving stuff to Virginia. I would have liked to have seen them move "Leopold", their German K5 railway gun.

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-16 12:55:01 PM
There were three Nike missile sites built around KS City(and all over the United States) in the 60's that were supposed to shoot down Soviet Bombers. The problem was that they used relatively dirty nuclear warheads to do it. Lots of stupid shiat built(and even more scary) deployed during the Cold War.
 
2013-07-16 01:50:38 PM

Voiceofreason01: There were three Nike missile sites built around KS City(and all over the United States) in the 60's that were supposed to shoot down Soviet Bombers. The problem was that they used relatively dirty nuclear warheads to do it. Lots of stupid shiat built(and even more scary) deployed during the Cold War.


Stupid is relative.  At the time we were facing the fairly good chance (according to the intelligence at the time) of being hit by 1000+ nuclear soviet bombers.  The Nike/Hercules sites were made to take care of that threat.  It basically came down to the simple equation   100% loss of life without defensive system > 25% loss of life with system.  Yes that is a cold calculation but so was MAD.  Times were different.
 
2013-07-16 02:32:44 PM

graeth: Will be useful when the Posleen come....


Post Toasties!
 
2013-07-16 02:46:28 PM
Thanks, Jalopnik, for repackaging English Russia's content. At least you gave credit
 
2013-07-16 02:58:26 PM

MonoChango: Voiceofreason01: There were three Nike missile sites built around KS City(and all over the United States) in the 60's that were supposed to shoot down Soviet Bombers. The problem was that they used relatively dirty nuclear warheads to do it. Lots of stupid shiat built(and even more scary) deployed during the Cold War.

Stupid is relative.  At the time we were facing the fairly good chance (according to the intelligence at the time) of being hit by 1000+ nuclear soviet bombers.  The Nike/Hercules sites were made to take care of that threat.  It basically came down to the simple equation   100% loss of life without defensive system > 25% loss of life with system.  Yes that is a cold calculation but so was MAD.  Times were different.


Around DC in MD and VA there are parks that used to be Nike sites. I think one in VA even has a Nike missle at it.
 
2013-07-16 03:15:23 PM
Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona has one on display.

50states.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-07-16 03:30:18 PM
What a nuclear capable artillery piece might (should) look like.

i25.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-16 03:53:49 PM
I have an old copy of "Science & Mechanics" from the 60's that had an article about these.  A "Where Are They Now?" item.  Said about 50 AA's were built, with most deployed to Europe, but a few in Korea.

The 280mm atomic cannon was essentially obsolete while under construction, as scientists had a workable design for an 8" nuclear shell.  The AA's were simply a stop-gap until the 8" arty pieces could be fielded.

Cool fact:  the gun was so well balanced, it could be aimed without the use of hydraulics.
 
2013-07-16 03:59:11 PM

prekrasno: I used to live on Fort Sill, Oklahoma, just around the corner from where Atomic Annie sits to this day. Also two miles from Geronimo's grave.


I've been to both.  Both are impressive.  Need to go back down there sometime.

/Sister was in the Army, and used to take us to the PX on shopping trips.
 
2013-07-16 04:38:36 PM
The M110 series Howitzer was able to fire 2 nuclear projectiles:

The W33 and

the W79

The unit I served with had a non-insertable training round. The real projectile had a variable yield, and was fired to a max. range of 30km (about 18.5 miles) using a combination of powder charge and rocket motor built in to the shell. They were meant to be fired at "high angle" (generally above 45 deg) to maximize the flight time. We were supposed to put as much land between us and the "impact area" (the nuclear round was supposed to be airburst for greatest effect) during the flight time. If there were hills you could hide behind, all the better. With about 30 seconds left befor detonation, we were to lie prone facing the blast, with our thumbs in our ears (to protect our eardrums from the blast), and our hands over our eyes (to block debris). Full MOPP gear was preferred, if possible.

Fun times! :)
 
2013-07-16 04:54:03 PM

Jim DiGriz: The M110 series Howitzer was able to fire 2 nuclear projectiles:

The W33 and

the W79

The unit I served with had a non-insertable training round. The real projectile had a variable yield, and was fired to a max. range of 30km (about 18.5 miles) using a combination of powder charge and rocket motor built in to the shell. They were meant to be fired at "high angle" (generally above 45 deg) to maximize the flight time. We were supposed to put as much land between us and the "impact area" (the nuclear round was supposed to be airburst for greatest effect) during the flight time. If there were hills you could hide behind, all the better. With about 30 seconds left befor detonation, we were to lie prone facing the blast, with our thumbs in our ears (to protect our eardrums from the blast), and our hands over our eyes (to block debris). Full MOPP gear was preferred, if possible.

Fun times! :)


As a former NBC NCO, I can safely say that MOPP Level 4 was hated by all
 
2013-07-16 04:58:00 PM

jim32rr: As a former NBC NCO, I can safely say that MOPP Level 4 was hated by all


As a former Airman who had to wear that crap in the summer in Georgia for hours on end for a training exercise, THIS.

/can't sweat, can't shed heat
//charcoal dust all over your uniform was a pain
///third slashie for getting to laugh at people tripping over their boot covers
 
2013-07-16 05:04:21 PM

Arumat: jim32rr: As a former NBC NCO, I can safely say that MOPP Level 4 was hated by all

As a former Airman who had to wear that crap in the summer in Georgia for hours on end for a training exercise, THIS.

/can't sweat, can't shed heat
//charcoal dust all over your uniform was a pain
///third slashie for getting to laugh at people tripping over their boot covers


I had as much fun as you in the summer going through Chemical School, ah the red clay of Alabama. Memories
 
2013-07-16 05:48:38 PM

Voiceofreason01: TheDirtyNacho: Scarlioni: The USA also built an atomic bazooka...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

The big downside to these systems is their effect radius exceeded their range.

according to the wikipedia article the m28 had a range of a little over a mile a yield equivalent to 18 tons of TNT and a lethal radiation blast range of about 1/2 of a mile. So as long as you were upwind and didn't accidentally aim low(it was noted to have very poor accuracy during testing) you'd probably be fine.


I think that radius is "near 100%" lethal.  The radiation of course goes beyond that with probable lethality diminishing. But significant effects were still measurable at firing point and then you still have leftover fallout to deal with.  Won't do much good to have the weapon if your side acquires radiation sickness from its use.

Another downside to these kind of tactical nukes is the temptation to actually use them and open up that can o' worms.  That's another reason they went away.
 
2013-07-16 06:42:58 PM
jim32rr:
Arumat:


MOPP 4 in Ft. Sill OK. in the middle of August. Feeling the sweat pool in your mask was always fun. At least my unit had the masks with the drinking tubes, and  the canteens with the tube attachments. They hadn't been issued to everyone yet when we were there.

/this was a while back
//early to mid '80s
 
2013-07-16 06:48:17 PM

Jim DiGriz: jim32rr:
Arumat:

MOPP 4 in Ft. Sill OK. in the middle of August. Feeling the sweat pool in your mask was always fun. At least my unit had the masks with the drinking tubes, and  the canteens with the tube attachments. They hadn't been issued to everyone yet when we were there.

/this was a while back
//early to mid '80s


Same time frame for me, appreciated the tube
 
2013-07-16 06:52:28 PM

jim32rr: Jim DiGriz: jim32rr:
Arumat:

MOPP 4 in Ft. Sill OK. in the middle of August. Feeling the sweat pool in your mask was always fun. At least my unit had the masks with the drinking tubes, and  the canteens with the tube attachments. They hadn't been issued to everyone yet when we were there.

/this was a while back
//early to mid '80s

Same time frame for me, appreciated the tube


Mine was in 2006 I think.  We had the drinking tubes/canteens but when the water feels like it's seventy degrees, it doesn't help much.
 
2013-07-16 07:50:43 PM

Arumat: jim32rr: Jim DiGriz: jim32rr:
Arumat:

MOPP 4 in Ft. Sill OK. in the middle of August. Feeling the sweat pool in your mask was always fun. At least my unit had the masks with the drinking tubes, and  the canteens with the tube attachments. They hadn't been issued to everyone yet when we were there.

/this was a while back
//early to mid '80s

Same time frame for me, appreciated the tube

Mine was in 2006 I think.  We had the drinking tubes/canteens but when the water feels like it's seventy degrees, it doesn't help much.


Someone shoulda gotten R&D a copy of Dune...
 
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