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2013-07-16 09:01:22 AM  
The move also affects the grounded Thunderbirds. They resume training with hopes of performing aerial shows next year. There will be no Thunderbird shows this year.

Air Force leaders called the move a step in the right direction but warned that budget cuts have left the military agency less prepared for crisis


They don't have enough money to prepare for a crisis.  But they do have enough money to train a totally non-combat and non-deployable squadron to impress the yokels at every county fair and football game next year.  It seems Congress's stupidity related to military spending is contagious.
 
2013-07-16 09:10:56 AM  
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2013-07-16 09:14:05 AM  

Karac: The move also affects the grounded Thunderbirds. They resume training with hopes of performing aerial shows next year. There will be no Thunderbird shows this year.

Air Force leaders called the move a step in the right direction but warned that budget cuts have left the military agency less prepared for crisis

They don't have enough money to prepare for a crisis.  But they do have enough money to train a totally non-combat and non-deployable squadron to impress the yokels at every county fair and football game next year.  It seems Congress's stupidity related to military spending is contagious.


You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?
 
2013-07-16 09:16:53 AM  

yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?


Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".
 
2013-07-16 09:19:36 AM  

born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".


Air Force's recruiting objective: accomplished.
 
2013-07-16 09:21:42 AM  
Spectrum is Green.
 
2013-07-16 09:25:02 AM  
The bigger lesson from this (and other actions by congress) is we are still in sequester, but everything will get reprieves, piece by piece, until there are no more sequestered spending cuts.
 
2013-07-16 09:25:49 AM  
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Good. Nascar has been boring this year.
 
2013-07-16 09:26:54 AM  
yay
 
2013-07-16 09:32:23 AM  

graeth: yay


Thunderbirds, not Wonderbolts.
 
2013-07-16 09:34:26 AM  

born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".


Most are not that stupid and wish to simply contribute or be part of something larger even if their job is "cleaning the runway".  Which is funny that you mention it as those are called FOD walks and *everyone* participates...pilots on down to lowly airmen.

The Thunderbirds are a great means of recruiting and demonstration.  That said, I am somewhat disappointed in the USAF's recruiting efforts at events where the Thunderbirds are not present - monster trucks and flashy race cars.  I know they are attention getters but that's usually *all* they have in the way of hands on, up close, information/items for potential recruits.
 
2013-07-16 09:35:34 AM  

Karac: But they do have enough money to train a totally non-combat and non-deployable squadron to impress the yokels at every county fair and football game next year.


Every single Thunderbird is combat ready. Every single Thunderbird pilot is combat ready. While not an official combat squadron the Thunderbirds can very well do combat if required.
 
2013-07-16 09:38:06 AM  

qorkfiend: born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".

Air Force's recruiting objective: accomplished.


Call of Duty is free for the government. So is Medal of Honr. And any given Michael Bay movie. They all reach more impressionable young men than an airshow.

Also - those kids are ALREADY AT AN AIR SHOW. You're spending millions preaching to the choir. Additionally, they're likely in a socio-economic bracket that makes the military the only realistic option for learning to fly. So you're preaching to a captive choir.
 
2013-07-16 09:39:29 AM  

gnosis301: graeth: yay

Thunderbirds, not Wonderbolts.


Close enough.
I can believe what I want.


/glad someone made the connection even though it was unintentional.
 
2013-07-16 09:40:53 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Karac: But they do have enough money to train a totally non-combat and non-deployable squadron to impress the yokels at every county fair and football game next year.

Every single Thunderbird is combat ready. Every single Thunderbird pilot is combat ready. While not an official combat squadron the Thunderbirds can very well do combat if required.


Ok, they don't have money to keep my co workers employed five days a week but the Thunderbirds are flying again. Disband the team send the pilots back to an active comabt squadron, send the maintainers back to regular grease monkey job and then put the money and fuel into the other more imporatant squadrons.  Same goes for the Blue Angels and the Golden Knights
 
2013-07-16 09:41:00 AM  
As long as it doesn't set back our drones for NSA program
 
2013-07-16 09:47:33 AM  
I just can't get my outrage boner up for anything here.
 
2013-07-16 09:47:44 AM  
 Even though it is merely a display exercise, the kind of publicity that the Thunderbirds demonstrates to the bad guys just what they have to reckon with.We should all thanks Mr. Boehner for keeping up safe and finally undoing the damage that Obama has done to our military due to the sequester.
 
2013-07-16 09:48:35 AM  

yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?


Heh.  Either do you.  The Thunderbirds aren't about recruiting.  The AF does not struggle to find applicants, there are enough people who want in that they can even be a bit more selective.  The demo team is about rah-rah-rah 'Murica fark yeah!  Love me some airpower, here's more of my tax dollars so we can have the best toys, etc.

/not that I disagree, I love fighter demonstrations
 
2013-07-16 09:51:50 AM  

feickus: Ok, they don't have money to keep my co workers employed five days a week but the Thunderbirds are flying again. Disband the team send the pilots back to an active comabt squadron, send the maintainers back to regular grease monkey job and then put the money and fuel into the other more imporatant squadrons. Same goes for the Blue Angels and the Golden Knights


THIS.

/Being furloughed from the AF
//SO glad I'm out next month
 
2013-07-16 09:51:55 AM  
If JLV is back with them I'll go listen
 
2013-07-16 09:53:35 AM  
At least that will give the AF's other employees something to do with all the free time they have on Fridays because their salaries were getting in the way of the Thunderbirds' dick-waving.
 
2013-07-16 09:55:18 AM  

born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".


The Air Force needs ditchdiggers^Wrunway cleaners.
 
2013-07-16 09:55:45 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Approves.
 
2013-07-16 09:56:56 AM  

A_Listless_Wanderer: feickus: Ok, they don't have money to keep my co workers employed five days a week but the Thunderbirds are flying again. Disband the team send the pilots back to an active comabt squadron, send the maintainers back to regular grease monkey job and then put the money and fuel into the other more imporatant squadrons. Same goes for the Blue Angels and the Golden Knights

THIS.

/Being furloughed from the AF
//SO glad I'm out next month


Seriously if I wasn't 8 years away from retirement I would be getting out too.
 
2013-07-16 09:57:54 AM  
This thread is pretty negative, Ghost Rider

/and the pattern is getting full
 
2013-07-16 09:59:22 AM  
Utter waste of taxpayer money.
 
2013-07-16 09:59:29 AM  

UberDave: born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".

Most are not that stupid and wish to simply contribute or be part of something larger even if their job is "cleaning the runway".  Which is funny that you mention it as those are called FOD walks and *everyone* participates...pilots on down to lowly airmen.

The Thunderbirds are a great means of recruiting and demonstration.  That said, I am somewhat disappointed in the USAF's recruiting efforts at events where the Thunderbirds are not present - monster trucks and flashy race cars.  I know they are attention getters but that's usually *all* they have in the way of hands on, up close, information/items for potential recruits.


That's because the Air Force has operated at near-zero recruiting goals for several years now.

In fact they've been on a tear lately - on kicking people out. That's why they rejiggered the PT test, so they can cut more low-hanging fruit.
 
2013-07-16 09:59:48 AM  
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2013-07-16 10:02:02 AM  

enry: born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".

The Air Force needs ditchdiggers^Wrunway cleaners.


Actually, everyone on base (including the pilots) takes turns to walk the runways looking for FOD.
 
2013-07-16 10:02:47 AM  
They need to be more combat ready!! What if the country with the worlds second largest Air Force attacks? What's that? The second largest Air Force is the us navy? Huh. Maybe we have enough planes already.
 
2013-07-16 10:06:18 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: enry: born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".

The Air Force needs ditchdiggers^Wrunway cleaners.

Actually, everyone on base (including the pilots) takes turns to walk the runways looking for FOD.


Oh yes, indeed I remember those 0630 FOD walks. The Air Force loves its cheap labor. FOD walks, building details, police calls, rock painting, working the air show, and other "opportunities to excel."
 
2013-07-16 10:07:44 AM  
This is great! A distraction as they gut the NIH budget!
 
2013-07-16 10:12:52 AM  

djRykoSuave: This is great! A distraction as they gut the NIH budget!


Uh, the last word on the NIH budget is that it's getting all the sequester money back plus a small increase.
 
2013-07-16 10:15:57 AM  
I prefer the Blue Angels at airshows, but the Thunderbirds will have to do in this time of fiscal crisis.
 
2013-07-16 10:16:52 AM  
We can't find the time, will or money to fund SNAP, but funding useless display of militarism and nationalism? Absolutely.
 
2013-07-16 10:17:06 AM  

verbaltoxin: Oh yes, indeed I remember those 0630 FOD walks. The Air Force loves its cheap labor. FOD walks, building details, police calls, rock painting, working the air show, and other "opportunities to excel."


I hear they have Halliburton and KBR contractors to to all that stuff now, along with laundry and cooking and repairing everything.
 
2013-07-16 10:18:41 AM  

feickus: Ok, they don't have money to keep my co workers employed five days a week but the Thunderbirds are flying again. Disband the team send the pilots back to an active comabt squadron, send the maintainers back to regular grease monkey job and then put the money and fuel into the other more imporatant squadrons.  Same goes for the Blue Angels and the Golden Knights


Boo hoo.
Find an honest job outside of the parasitic M-I complex.
 
2013-07-16 10:25:47 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: feickus: Ok, they don't have money to keep my co workers employed five days a week but the Thunderbirds are flying again. Disband the team send the pilots back to an active comabt squadron, send the maintainers back to regular grease monkey job and then put the money and fuel into the other more imporatant squadrons.  Same goes for the Blue Angels and the Golden Knights

Boo hoo.
Find an honest job outside of the parasitic M-I complex.


I know you are trolling, but I will bite.  Why should I?  I get 30 days paid vaction every year, $4500 to go to school per year,  plus I don't have to worry about medical. There also is my tax free housing allowance and BAS.  So I ask again why should I get an honest job when the gov't will let me leach off of them for 20 years.
 
2013-07-16 10:27:20 AM  

verbaltoxin: UberDave:

The Thunderbirds are a great means of recruiting and demonstration.  That said, I am somewhat disappointed in the USAF's recruiting efforts at events where the Thunderbirds are not present - monster trucks and flashy race cars.  I know they are attention getters but that's usually *all* they have in the way of hands on, up close, information/items for potential recruits.

That's because the Air Force has operated at near-zero recruiting goals for several years now.

In fact they've been on a tear lately - on kicking people out. That's why they rejiggered the PT test, so they can cut more low-hanging fruit.



Interesting.  What did they do exactly?  Was it the ergo test or the actual, physical, run around the base track and do situps, requirements?
 
2013-07-16 10:38:05 AM  

thurstonxhowell: djRykoSuave: This is great! A distraction as they gut the NIH budget!

Uh, the last word on the NIH budget is that it's getting all the sequester money back plus a small increase.


The entire NIH budget won't cover the fuel for a season of TBird shows (just the shows, not the ferry flights)
 
2013-07-16 10:40:58 AM  

UberDave: verbaltoxin: UberDave:

The Thunderbirds are a great means of recruiting and demonstration.  That said, I am somewhat disappointed in the USAF's recruiting efforts at events where the Thunderbirds are not present - monster trucks and flashy race cars.  I know they are attention getters but that's usually *all* they have in the way of hands on, up close, information/items for potential recruits.

That's because the Air Force has operated at near-zero recruiting goals for several years now.

In fact they've been on a tear lately - on kicking people out. That's why they rejiggered the PT test, so they can cut more low-hanging fruit.


Interesting.  What did they do exactly?  Was it the ergo test or the actual, physical, run around the base track and do situps, requirements?



It's a 1.5 mile run, push-ups. sit-ups, and a waist measurement.  Depending on your age, you have to meet the minimal requirements in each category.

http://www.afpc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-110804-054.pdf
 
2013-07-16 10:44:04 AM  

feickus: I get 30 days paid vaction every year, $4500 to go to school per year,  plus I don't have to worry about medical. There also is my tax free housing allowance and BAS.  So I ask again why should I get an honest job when the gov't will let me leach off of them for 20 years.


Ladies and gentlemen, a real welfare queen.
 
2013-07-16 10:45:53 AM  

This thread needs more Thunderbirds GIFs

i158.photobucket.com


(see also this link:  http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Friartown/media/GIFs/Thunderbirds.gi f .html which is over the size limit)
 
2013-07-16 10:48:52 AM  

feickus: UberDave: verbaltoxin:

In fact they've been on a tear lately - on kicking people out. That's why they rejiggered the PT test, so they can cut more low-hanging fruit.


Interesting.  What did they do exactly?  Was it the ergo test or the actual, physical, run around the base track and do situps, requirements?


It's a 1.5 mile run, push-ups. sit-ups, and a waist measurement.  Depending on your age, you have to meet the minimal requirements in each category.

http://www.afpc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-110804-054.pdf



Thanks.  I was too lazy to look it up.  It doesn't look like it has changed much (if at all) from 15 years ago...but then again, most people I know now would fail that test and I remember it being fairly easy to pass.
 
2013-07-16 10:52:01 AM  

Rootus: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Heh.  Either do you.  The Thunderbirds aren't about recruiting.  The AF does not struggle to find applicants, there are enough people who want in that they can even be a bit more selective.  The demo team is about rah-rah-rah 'Murica fark yeah!  Love me some airpower, here's more of my tax dollars so we can have the best toys, etc.

/not that I disagree, I love fighter demonstrations


Ever hear that axiom "Its better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it"? The Thunderbirds are the premier recruiting tool the Air Force has. At every show, you can talk to a pilot at a RECRUITING BOOTH.

Why, here is a fact sheet with the T-Birds mission...Number one objective? To support Air Force recruiting and retention programs.

Try again sparky
 
2013-07-16 10:52:08 AM  

dionysusaur: thurstonxhowell: djRykoSuave: This is great! A distraction as they gut the NIH budget!

Uh, the last word on the NIH budget is that it's getting all the sequester money back plus a small increase.

The entire NIH budget won't cover the fuel for a season of TBird shows (just the shows, not the ferry flights)


While I'd love to talk about how we should increase funding for medical research, I somewhat doubt the assertion that the Thunderbirds burn more than $30 billion in fuel per year.
 
2013-07-16 10:53:36 AM  

yanceylebeef: Rootus: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Heh.  Either do you.  The Thunderbirds aren't about recruiting.  The AF does not struggle to find applicants, there are enough people who want in that they can even be a bit more selective.  The demo team is about rah-rah-rah 'Murica fark yeah!  Love me some airpower, here's more of my tax dollars so we can have the best toys, etc.

/not that I disagree, I love fighter demonstrations

Ever hear that axiom "Its better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it"? The Thunderbirds are the premier recruiting tool the Air Force has. At every show, you can talk to a pilot at a RECRUITING BOOTH.

Why, here is a fact sheet with the T-Birds mission...Number one objective? To support Air Force recruiting and retention programs.

Try again sparky


Whoops. Here is the link.
 
2013-07-16 10:54:52 AM  

born_yesterday: yanceylebeef: You know how I know you don't understand recruiting?

Local yocal:  "Imma join me the airforce and fly me one ah dem dare Thunderbirds!"

Reality:  Enlists and spends his time cleaning the "runway" for the base commander's "thunderbirds".


Everybody FOD's.

The trick is...avoid where the Tarmac is stained blue!!
 
2013-07-16 11:00:08 AM  

lilbjorn: Utter waste of taxpayer money.


Better than welfare. Both give aspirations to children in the terms of wanting to do something with their lives and feeling that they shouldn't have to work and government should support them but at least this way useful people are employed
 
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