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(American Radio Relay League)   HAARP facility shuts down. At least that's what they WANT us to believe   (arrl.org) divider line 76
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2013-07-16 08:53:21 AM
I wonder if I'm the only Farker that's actually been to that facility. It was 1995, and I'm sure a lot has changed since then. However, it's fun to hear people spout off their conspiracy theories and I can trump them with "well, have you ever been there? Because I have." That usually shuts them down.
 
2013-07-16 08:58:29 AM

SurfaceTension: I wonder if I'm the only Farker that's actually been to that facility. It was 1995, and I'm sure a lot has changed since then. However, it's fun to hear people spout off their conspiracy theories and I can trump them with "well, have you ever been there? Because I have." That usually shuts them down.


At least that's what you WANT us to believe....   :D
 
2013-07-16 09:00:38 AM
Where will all the old people go?
 
2013-07-16 09:00:42 AM

elvisaintdead: SurfaceTension: I wonder if I'm the only Farker that's actually been to that facility. It was 1995, and I'm sure a lot has changed since then. However, it's fun to hear people spout off their conspiracy theories and I can trump them with "well, have you ever been there? Because I have." That usually shuts them down.

At least that's what you WANT us to believe....   :D


Or maybe he doesn't want us to believe that.

/Double bluff.
//It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.
 
2013-07-16 09:04:36 AM

elvisaintdead: At least that's what you WANT us to believe.... :D


dittybopper: Or maybe he doesn't want us to believe that.

/Double bluff.
//It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.


Actually I do want you to not know that I'm bluffing and not bluffing at the same different time
 
2013-07-16 09:08:45 AM

SurfaceTension: elvisaintdead: At least that's what you WANT us to believe.... :D

dittybopper: Or maybe he doesn't want us to believe that.

/Double bluff.
//It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.

Actually I do want you to not know that I'm bluffing and not bluffing at the same different time


So..........

You've actually been there but still have no farking clue what it actually does...................
 
2013-07-16 09:11:39 AM
Isn't that where they created The Wolverine?
 
2013-07-16 09:12:27 AM
I like the bit where Keeney says he'd keep it open if it could actually effect the weather. Seriously though, its an interesting experiment that has run its course. Probably too expensive to start with. There are other ways of studying the ionosphere that don't involve a $1M a month facility.
 
2013-07-16 09:13:00 AM
Ugh. Just think of the people who are going to lose their jobs in the conspiracy theory industry because of this.

DAMN YOU OBAMA!!!!
 
2013-07-16 09:16:25 AM
Ya did it, Jesse!
 
2013-07-16 09:17:14 AM
I'm pretty sure they found the mothership, so shut down the site to avoid alerting it.
 
2013-07-16 09:18:04 AM

Diogenes: Isn't that where they created The Wolverine?


No, it is where they make those seals.

/Having it reopened by DARPA won't create any conspiracy furor... not at all.
 
2013-07-16 09:18:44 AM

Diogenes: Isn't that where they created The Wolverine?


No, I think it is the place that Remo Williams broke into years ago...
 
2013-07-16 09:21:53 AM

Strik3r: SurfaceTension: elvisaintdead: At least that's what you WANT us to believe.... :D

dittybopper: Or maybe he doesn't want us to believe that.

/Double bluff.
//It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.

Actually I do want you to not know that I'm bluffing and not bluffing at the same different time

So..........

You've actually been there but still have no farking clue what it actually does...................


That's just what he wants you to think.
 
2013-07-16 09:23:13 AM
Here's the answer you've been looking for.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
 
2013-07-16 09:28:30 AM
I wonder if they'd let me borrow the antennas.

I mean, they did some 40 meter moonbounce.  That's pretty farkin' impressive.
 
2013-07-16 09:29:36 AM
www.bloggingbroker.com

but but there is still weather phenomenon so someone must be making it
 
2013-07-16 09:34:11 AM

Strik3r: You've actually been there but still have no farking clue what it actually does...................


A clue? Yeah, I do. Or at least I did at the time I toured the place. Of course they didn't let us in the room with the big "Danger" and "Top Secret" signs on it, but they told us that was just to mess with everyone's heads. Seems plausible.

/no really, the antenna array was spread over an acre or so and used to receive radiation given off by Auroras and other upper atmosphere phenomenon. From what I remember, most of the inside of the building was just a big room with computer monitors for the antenna arrays. Quite boring, actually.
 
2013-07-16 09:38:51 AM

SurfaceTension: the antenna array was spread over an acre or so and used to receive radiation given off by Auroras and other upper atmosphere phenomenon.


It was also used to transmit.
 
2013-07-16 09:46:54 AM
It wasn't too long ago that just mentioning that place would get you labeled as a conspiracy nut. Who knows maybe one day we'll even have the facts.
 
2013-07-16 09:49:25 AM

Diogenes: Where will all the old people go?


AMAC!
 
2013-07-16 09:53:09 AM
Then how can we make contact with God?

/hopefully not obscure
 
2013-07-16 09:53:53 AM
I know at least half a dozen people in my area that will be dancing when they hear this news, thinking that some big bad government conspiracy has been put to an end.  oh hell, they'll probably pat themselves on the back thinking that they had a hand in it getting shut down.

At least they still have chemtrails to rail on about.
 
2013-07-16 09:56:42 AM

neversubmit: It wasn't too long ago that just mentioning that place would get you labeled as a conspiracy nut. Who knows maybe one day we'll even have the facts.


I wonder how much "top-secret" research is a secret because if the public knew what was being researched, they'd complain about the waste of tax dollars into such "cockamamie" ideas and get it shut down.
 
2013-07-16 10:01:49 AM
www.internationalhero.co.uk

Here's the real reason the facility's shut down.
 
2013-07-16 10:11:08 AM

SurfaceTension: elvisaintdead: At least that's what you WANT us to believe.... :D

dittybopper: Or maybe he doesn't want us to believe that.

/Double bluff.
//It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.

Actually I do want you to not know that I'm bluffing and not bluffing at the same different time


Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man
 
2013-07-16 10:12:17 AM
But how will they control the weather?!!?!?!?!? Thanks Obama, now we have a weather machine gap.
 
2013-07-16 10:19:07 AM
Huh,  This just means they're building a bigger one ON THE MOON.
 
2013-07-16 10:20:38 AM

Zik-Zak: Then how can we make contact with God?


There's still the Ark of the Covenant.
 
2013-07-16 10:22:26 AM

wxboy: neversubmit: It wasn't too long ago that just mentioning that place would get you labeled as a conspiracy nut. Who knows maybe one day we'll even have the facts.

I wonder how much "top-secret" research is a secret because if the public knew what was being researched, they'd complain about the waste of tax dollars into such "cockamamie" ideas and get it shut down.


I can see that, but to be fair to the HAARP people the public might not be able to tell the difference between good research and waste.
 
2013-07-16 10:25:08 AM
I don't understand why they would bulldoze the antenna field. Just leave it be. That would cost nothing. I think they tore down the "Russian Woodpecker" array. Now that was an impressive antenna system.
 
2013-07-16 10:29:51 AM

groppet: But how will they control the weather?!!?!?!?!? Thanks Obama, now we have a weather machine gap.


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-07-16 10:30:07 AM
Ditty, that "Big Blade Antenna" looks pretty cool. I wonder why they did not just use dipoles?
 
2013-07-16 10:36:31 AM
I hope they don't keep going on about it forever
 
2013-07-16 10:38:11 AM
CSB: I once was talking to an articulate man in a 3-piece suit who started out sounding sane, but whose statements got crazier and crazier as the conversation went on. Towards the end, before I could leave the conversation politely (yes, I live in the midwest), he said "You think most of the clouds you see out there are natural? Look into HAARP! They're controlling the weather! They're going to bring about a genocide, I tell you!"

Before this conversation, I'd thought I could identify the flat-out crazy people a mile off. Usually, there are a lot of warning signs.
 
2013-07-16 10:38:24 AM
So, the EPA shut it down.

Or so the Germans would have us believe!
 
2013-07-16 10:38:29 AM
Criticizing the HAARP conspiracies of my father in law is one of the few times I've actually feared another person would hit me.

//Also, don't tell him the government is not importing young ,homosexual, Latino males to keep the prison population placated...
 
2013-07-16 11:18:59 AM

meat0918: Criticizing the HAARP conspiracies of my father in law is one of the few times I've actually feared another person would hit me.

//Also, don't tell him the government is not importing young ,homosexual, Latino males to keep the prison population placated...


Sounds like your Father in Law has quite the imagination, when it comes to prisoners having their way with young latino men. Does he think about it often? You should ask him.
 
2013-07-16 11:28:20 AM
For those who are legitimately curious about HAARP.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122 - HAARP Myths
A close look at HAARP, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, and the claim that it's a superweapon.

Podcast link - http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4122.mp3

A lot of very good information about what haarp really does,and what wack jobs think it does.
 
2013-07-16 11:30:20 AM

Slaxl: meat0918: Criticizing the HAARP conspiracies of my father in law is one of the few times I've actually feared another person would hit me.

//Also, don't tell him the government is not importing young ,homosexual, Latino males to keep the prison population placated...

Sounds like your Father in Law has quite the imagination, when it comes to prisoners having their way with young latino men. Does he think about it often? You should ask him.


He was molested by a 7th Day Adventist minister as an orphaned youth.

He has... issues.
 
2013-07-16 11:43:26 AM

Pick: Ditty, that "Big Blade Antenna" looks pretty cool. I wonder why they did not just use dipoles?


Those are the receive antennas, and they weren't designed for use on 40 meters:

The LWA is intended to work below the 88 MHz edge of the FM band, but to get down to the HAARP signal frequencies, the antennas were equipped with digital receivers and specially designed matching networks developed by Stewart, Hicks, and engineer Nagini Paravastu at NRL.

That's why they are very small for 40 meters.  They merely adapted something they already had to see if they could make it work, and apparently, it did.
 
2013-07-16 11:48:49 AM
I've been fooling around with the idea of a "Mini-HAARP" antenna array for NVIS work.  It would be a 40 meter half-square antenna mounted 15 feet off the ground with the 1/4 wave sections horizontal instead of vertical, and a piece of wire on the ground underneath the same shape but 5% bigger.

It works like a low off-center fed dipole on 80 meters, and the SWR there is low enough that internal tuners could handle it, at least EZNEC seems to imply that.
 
2013-07-16 11:52:49 AM
FTFA: "Currently the site is abandoned," he said. "It comes down to money. We don't have any." Keeney said no one is on site, access roads are blocked, buildings are chained and the power turned off. HAARP's website through the University of Alaska no longer is available; Keeney said the program can't afford to pay for the service. "Everything is in secure mode," he said, adding that it will stay that way at least for another 4 to 6 weeks.

This is a good example of how the union of the conspiracy nuts and the austerity folks in the GOP are slowly bringing down the United States as a world leader. Through unfounded conspiracy theories and short sighted budget cuts, we are eliminating the cutting edge research and science which made the United States a world technological leader. A lot of this basic research will not be done by private industry because there is no profit from it. The profit comes when industry exploits the result of this research by applying without the overhead of researching it because the government and universities did it for them.
 
2013-07-16 12:12:27 PM

dittybopper: I've been fooling around with the idea of a "Mini-HAARP" antenna array for NVIS work.  It would be a 40 meter half-square antenna mounted 15 feet off the ground with the 1/4 wave sections horizontal instead of vertical, and a piece of wire on the ground underneath the same shape but 5% bigger.

It works like a low off-center fed dipole on 80 meters, and the SWR there is low enough that internal tuners could handle it, at least EZNEC seems to imply that.


Hook that baby up to a conductor running up to the clock tower and I'll bet you can tap into a lightning strike for the 1.21 gigawatts required to make it work.

/better not be obscure
 
2013-07-16 12:20:50 PM
Good. Conspiracy nuts have been harping about that place for years.
 
2013-07-16 12:29:29 PM

draypresct: CSB: I once was talking to an articulate man in a 3-piece suit who started out sounding sane, but whose statements got crazier and crazier as the conversation went on. Towards the end, before I could leave the conversation politely (yes, I live in the midwest), he said "You think most of the clouds you see out there are natural? Look into HAARP! They're controlling the weather! They're going to bring about a genocide, I tell you!"

Before this conversation, I'd thought I could identify the flat-out crazy people a mile off. Usually, there are a lot of warning signs.


The rise of small bluetooth headsets has radically curtailed the ability to spot crazy people. You'll see someone seemingly talking to themselves but now it requires getting *way* too close before you can discern nutcase from douchebag.
 
2013-07-16 12:35:49 PM

dittybopper: I've been fooling around with the idea of a "Mini-HAARP" antenna array for NVIS work.  It would be a 40 meter half-square antenna mounted 15 feet off the ground with the 1/4 wave sections horizontal instead of vertical, and a piece of wire on the ground underneath the same shape but 5% bigger.

It works like a low off-center fed dipole on 80 meters, and the SWR there is low enough that internal tuners could handle it, at least EZNEC seems to imply that.


/I really have nothing
 
2013-07-16 12:42:33 PM

draypresct: CSB: I once was talking to an articulate man in a 3-piece suit who started out sounding sane, but whose statements got crazier and crazier as the conversation went on. Towards the end, before I could leave the conversation politely (yes, I live in the midwest), he said "You think most of the clouds you see out there are natural? Look into HAARP! They're controlling the weather! They're going to bring about a genocide, I tell you!"


Is that when you hit the uhhh...rabola inflection?

www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-07-16 12:46:17 PM

Nilatir: The rise of small bluetooth headsets has radically curtailed the ability to spot crazy people. You'll see someone seemingly talking to themselves but now it requires getting *way* too close before you can discern nutcase from douchebag.



Whenever I see people walking around with a bluetooth dealie in their ear, I get the urge to ask them to open hailing frequencies.  I don't know why.
 
2013-07-16 12:48:38 PM

Nuclear Monk: dittybopper: I've been fooling around with the idea of a "Mini-HAARP" antenna array for NVIS work.  It would be a 40 meter half-square antenna mounted 15 feet off the ground with the 1/4 wave sections horizontal instead of vertical, and a piece of wire on the ground underneath the same shape but 5% bigger.

It works like a low off-center fed dipole on 80 meters, and the SWR there is low enough that internal tuners could handle it, at least EZNEC seems to imply that.

/I really have nothing


Would you like me to help you get started?
 
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