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2013-07-16 09:15:35 AM
"Consider the fate of the mining vessel Nostromo in Ridley Scott's Alien. Stalked relentlessly by a carnivorous beast, one by one the crew are ripped apart and consumed.  Computers, bullets, and flamethrowers are useless. The alien sprays acidic blood when cut that disintegrates armor, burns flesh, and melts bone."

You know how I know the author doesn't remember the movie that well?  And they're getting Ridley Scott's "Alien", which is similar to the minotaur, confused with James Cameron's "Aliens" which is not.
 
2013-07-16 09:22:07 AM
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2013-07-16 09:29:58 AM
I really enjoyed the space alien in Wrath of the Titans...
 
2013-07-16 09:57:28 AM

UberDave: You know how I know the author doesn't remember the movie that well?  And they're getting Ridley Scott's "Alien", which is similar to the minotaur, confused with James Cameron's "Aliens" which is not.


To be fair, they did had flamethrowers in the first one. But only the flamethrowers. No bullets, nobody getting consumed, nobody wearing armor, though.
 
2013-07-16 10:37:27 AM

palladiate: UberDave: You know how I know the author doesn't remember the movie that well?  And they're getting Ridley Scott's "Alien", which is similar to the minotaur, confused with James Cameron's "Aliens" which is not.

To be fair, they did had flamethrowers in the first one. But only the flamethrowers. No bullets, nobody getting consumed, nobody wearing armor, though.


I guess those count.  They were more to scare off the alien than kill it.  I remember when it came out, the alien was considered indestructible.  But of course in Aliens, the flamethrowers and bullets did indeed work but there were just too many aliens to deal with.

Speaking of flamethrowers and not being consumed, I like the directors cut scene:

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It didn't really fit well with the rest of the movie so I can see why it was pulled but it did fit well with the over all story picked up by the second movie.
 
2013-07-16 10:54:23 AM
That's it man, GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER.

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Best reaction possible. This would be me in a real life horror scenario.
 
2013-07-16 11:04:20 AM

UberDave: palladiate: UberDave: You know how I know the author doesn't remember the movie that well?  And they're getting Ridley Scott's "Alien", which is similar to the minotaur, confused with James Cameron's "Aliens" which is not.

To be fair, they did had flamethrowers in the first one. But only the flamethrowers. No bullets, nobody getting consumed, nobody wearing armor, though.

I guess those count.  They were more to scare off the alien than kill it.  I remember when it came out, the alien was considered indestructible.  But of course in Aliens, the flamethrowers and bullets did indeed work but there were just too many aliens to deal with.

Speaking of flamethrowers and not being consumed, I like the directors cut scene:

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It didn't really fit well with the rest of the movie so I can see why it was pulled but it did fit well with the over all story picked up by the second movie.


Not really. If Scott had left in this scene there would have been no need to the alien queen, since it showed a normal alien could create eggs.
 
2013-07-16 11:21:46 AM

Strayha04: That's it man, GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER.

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Best reaction possible. This would be me in a real life horror scenario.


Four more weeks and I was out man!  Four more weeks!  Now I'm going to buy it on this stinking rock.  It ain't half fair man!  It ain't half fair!
 
2013-07-16 11:31:13 AM

Mentat: Strayha04: That's it man, GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER.

[thefitcast.com image 480x288]

Best reaction possible. This would be me in a real life horror scenario.

Four more weeks and I was out man!  Four more weeks!  Now I'm going to buy it on this stinking rock.  It ain't half fair man!  It ain't half fair!


Yeah right, man. Bishop should go!  Good idea!
 
2013-07-16 11:46:15 AM

UberDave: It didn't really fit well with the rest of the movie so I can see why it was pulled but it did fit well with the over all story picked up by the second movie.


I don't know why it was pulled, it seemed like it fit perfectly within the narrative. My guess is it was cut for time not for being out of place.
 
2013-07-16 12:16:59 PM
That cut scene was actually mentioned in the novel. The alien could apparently reproduce in a limited way through asexual egg laying, but the queen was needed to create enough eggs for a colony.
 
2013-07-16 12:23:20 PM

Sybarite: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 492x360]


Heh first thing I thought of too.  I still have mine in a box somewhere but I think its blue highlights not that reddish-purple.
 
2013-07-16 12:37:21 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: UberDave:

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It didn't really fit well with the rest of the movie so I can see why it was pulled but it did fit well with the over all story picked up by the second movie.

Not really. If Scott had left in this scene there would have been no need to the alien queen, since it showed a normal alien could create eggs.


That is the entire premise behind the alien queen (explained in the expanded universe - comics, books, etc.).  She is like an asexual ant queen in an ant colony.  And that is pretty much the only way it could have happened in Aliens - colonists on lv426 go out to alien ship, get face-hugger, birth alien, alien turns into queen and gathers colonists for incubation, more aliens born and become workers (comics explained that Newt's father was the first then a few other colonist got infected when they went to investigate).  Yes, they totally screwed this already established premise with Alien 3 (which, from what I remember, was supposed to follow the comic stories somewhat until the budget fell through).  But this was the idea behind the scene in Alien and it was used for the premise of Aliens.  It was taken out not because they planned on an Alien queen being a certain time of alien randomly distributed among facehugger egg sacs but rather it simply didn't fit the rest of the movie well.


/Huge Aliens fan back in the day
 
2013-07-16 03:13:12 PM
Well that was a whole lot of blah-blah-blah for a study that basically says that people who like higher-intensity stimuli also like movies that provide higher-intensity stimuli.
 
2013-07-16 04:42:09 PM
FILM THIS

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Aside from Alien and Aliens, the ONLY spinoff/sequel that didn't suck.
 
2013-07-16 05:30:03 PM

Metaluna Mutant: FILM THIS

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Aside from Alien and Aliens, the ONLY spinoff/sequel that didn't suck.


Yep.  But I thought book 2 was better (that's the first comic of book 1 for comics 1-6 you show)  That last panel in the last book in book 2 was farking awesome.  Like I was sort of saying earlier, I think the third movie was supposed to be something like Earth War (the third book comic series) to the point where they even made some kind of promo suggesting it was going to take place on Earth.  But that was scrapped.  I don't know for sure but the fourth movie looks like it was definitely loosely based on the book 2 series.
 
2013-07-16 06:54:15 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: UberDave: palladiate: UberDave: You know how I know the author doesn't remember the movie that well?  And they're getting Ridley Scott's "Alien", which is similar to the minotaur, confused with James Cameron's "Aliens" which is not.

To be fair, they did had flamethrowers in the first one. But only the flamethrowers. No bullets, nobody getting consumed, nobody wearing armor, though.

I guess those count.  They were more to scare off the alien than kill it.  I remember when it came out, the alien was considered indestructible.  But of course in Aliens, the flamethrowers and bullets did indeed work but there were just too many aliens to deal with.

Speaking of flamethrowers and not being consumed, I like the directors cut scene:

[s10.postimg.org image 800x434]
It didn't really fit well with the rest of the movie so I can see why it was pulled but it did fit well with the over all story picked up by the second movie.

Not really. If Scott had left in this scene there would have been no need to the alien queen, since it showed a normal alien could create eggs.


Yeah, the xeno life cycle continuity is kind of a mess. Though I guess you could presume that if a single alien finds itself alone somewhere it could transform into a queen.


UberDave: Metaluna Mutant: FILM THIS

[images.darkhorse.com image 300x449]

Aside from Alien and Aliens, the ONLY spinoff/sequel that didn't suck.

Yep.  But I thought book 2 was better (that's the first comic of book 1 for comics 1-6 you show)  That last panel in the last book in book 2 was farking awesome.  Like I was sort of saying earlier, I think the third movie was supposed to be something like Earth War (the third book comic series) to the point where they even made some kind of promo suggesting it was going to take place on Earth.  But that was scrapped.  I don't know for sure but the fourth movie looks like it was definitely loosely based on the book 2 series.


The 2nd series is a much tighter story. That's actually the book that got me back into comics as an adult. It had probably been a decade or more since I'd bought a comic book when I picked that up. I was blown away. Mainly by Den Beauvais' artwork.

The 3rd one was just terrible, though. I like Sam Keith as an artist but his style is NOT a good fit for Aliens. WAY too cartoony for my taste.

And don't even get me started on Dark Horse's stupid "Billie and Wilks" retconn.
 
2013-07-16 07:49:23 PM

Metaluna Mutant: Aside from Alien and Aliens, the ONLY spinoff/sequel that didn't suck.


thanks for that, I think I'll check it out.
 
2013-07-16 11:04:59 PM

fusillade762: Yep. But I thought book 2 was better (that's the first comic of book 1 for comics 1-6 you show) That last panel in the last book in book 2 was farking awesome. Like I was sort of saying earlier, I think the third movie was supposed to be something like Earth War (the third book comic series) to the point where they even made some kind of promo suggesting it was going to take place on Earth. But that was scrapped. I don't know for sure but the fourth movie looks like it was definitely loosely based on the book 2 series.

The 2nd series is a much tighter story. That's actually the book that got me back into comics as an adult. It had probably been a decade or more since I'd bought a comic book when I picked that up. I was blown away. Mainly by Den Beauvais' artwork.

The 3rd one was just terrible, though. I like Sam Keith as an artist but his style is NOT a good fit for Aliens. WAY too cartoony for my taste.

And don't even get me started on Dark Horse's stupid "Billie and Wilks" retconn.


Dark Horse was always hit and miss but when they hit, it is awesome.  Several years ago I picked up the Conan - And Other Stories series with Cary Nord as the artist.  They didn't do enough of those - incredible.
 
2013-07-17 02:43:44 AM

spamdog: Metaluna Mutant: Aside from Alien and Aliens, the ONLY spinoff/sequel that didn't suck.

thanks for that, I think I'll check it out.


Do. It's awesome. Though as I said I liked the 2nd series better. You'll be especially happy if killing off Hicks and Newt in the 3rd movie pissed you off. Though unless you find one of the original versions you'll end up with the aforementioned "Billie and Wilks" retconn bullshiat.
 
2013-07-17 04:25:53 AM

fusillade762: You'll be especially happy if killing off Hicks and Newt in the 3rd movie pissed you off.


Am I really the only one who hated Newt? That annoying, forced-cutsey, squealing, useless little  i560.photobucket.com could not get killed fast enough IMO. When I first watched Aliens, I kept hoping she'd get killed before she had time to squeal again. Newt was just about the only thing I don't like about Aliens.

/i knew she'd live, though, cuz hollywood
//yeah, she was pre-killed in #3
///doesn't count
 
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