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2013-07-16 04:03:00 PM  

I Browse: tenpoundsofcheese:

so besides posting anonymously on fark, what are you doing about this thing that makes you sad?


What am I doing about the idiots last night who caused mayhem under the guise of peaceful protest...? Nothing. I don't know any of them. If I did, I'd try talking to them.

Trust me, if I saw someone I recognized acting like a fool last night, they'd hear from me.


so no editorials?  no letter to the editor?  no blogs calling for people to stop this behavior? Not organizing protests against the rioters?
I can't imagine then that it makes you that sad.  Maybe just a little sad.
 
2013-07-16 04:05:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: You have never dealt with police brutality


So how were you brutalized by the police?
Did you file charges?
 
2013-07-16 04:08:33 PM  
That I consider racist is the same as arguing from a position of percived inferiority. I spend the majority of these threads countering the bigotted opinion that we are inferior


No one said you were inferior. I referred to a perception of inferiority, which you hide behind projection. Once again, all your arguments begin with your generalization that "everyone thinks THIS about my group, and therefore..." generalization breeds generalization.
 
2013-07-16 04:35:56 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese:

so no editorials?  no letter to the editor?  no blogs calling for people to stop this behavior? Not organizing protests against the rioters?
I can't imagine then that it makes you that sad.  Maybe just a little sad.



Public shaming might make me feel better (and feel like I'm "doing something") but it's not going to reach the ears and hearts of those kids who were out there last night. Based on my experience...you have to know them, and be in their circle of trust, before they'll even think about listening to you. And even then your chances are iffy.

That isn't to say that I've done nothing. I've volunteered at the Boys & Girls Club in South Central. I've mentored and tutored kids from that neighborhood through my fraternity. But the kind of kids I met at the B&G Club and at our frat house on Crenshaw are the ones who already want help. They're not the ones jumping on cars and shiat. Knuckleheads like that are harder to reach. Not impossible, but harder.
 
2013-07-16 04:38:25 PM  

JeffreyScott: So, let me make sure I understand this... To protest the victimization of a person, the protesters rioted and victimized innocent people and their businesses.


It's usually pretty rare that a whole post needs to be emboldened
 
2013-07-16 04:43:12 PM  
It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.
 
2013-07-16 04:55:50 PM  

Joe Blowme: [cbschicago.files.wordpress.com image 420x312]

It is in Chicago right mr pastor of this chicago church

/nice kkk in the spelling
//racist farkwads


protest a little louder, farktard, you might start fooling someone.
 
2013-07-16 04:57:11 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?



LOL. The old "it didn' happen to YOOOOU" defense of racism. Classic. Let see here, first thing is if a teacher is unfair, favored females, didn't give a shiat, or only taught the top 5% of the class, I as a black person would be affected by it just like you. But if she's racist...

Do you see how that works? Now, here come the clowns who will take this post and make the claim that I blame some failure on being black. No. I'm fine. I'm giving you all examples of the disparity.

Do you really want to hear about my personal experiences or are you attempting to mock me from a position of ignorance by assuming that I have none? First, I would not be in a position to see if someone threw my resume in the garbage because as an applicant, you don;t get that kind of access. I have been an accounts payable manager for a number of years and I have first-hand experience hiring and firing people. Before I hire anyone, after I select the best candidates, we have an interview with the CFO of Finance so that he (it was a she at the time) can give a final stamp of approval. The resume incident that I am referring happened when my manager, faced with the resume of two applicants who she had never met before, began to ask me strange questions about the applicant with the "ethnic" name. "Was she dressed appropriately for the office?" and "Did she give any attitude when you told her the hours" come to mind as the ones that raised a red flag with me, since she'd never asked it about anyone else. I set up interviews with both final applicants and when I went into her office later to have somehint signed I saw that she had tossed the young lady's resume into the garbage. She was supposed to be reviewing it to put together her interview questions. Needless to say, the interview was very short. The CFO had made her decision prior to the introduction.

I recall speaking to a potential employer once when I was looking for another accounting job. I had a GREAT, not good, GREAT conversation with the Controller who explained that they had actually stopped accepting applicants but based on our conversation she really wanted me to come in. We scheduled an interview for 7:30am the next day so that after I interviewed with her (which was just a formality) I could move on to the interview with her boss and someone else in Finance. Long story short, I got there, got out of the elevator and walked to the glass suite door. I could see her sitting on the other side looking at my resume. I knocked on the door and I wish I could explain the look of suprise, horror, and confusion on her face. She was alone because we were interviewing so early and I guess it never occured to her that I could be a minority. I stood there for a couple of minutes patiently waiting and she didn't get up. I knocked and waved, she got up and walked to a part of he office where I could not see her. I stood patiently for a few moments and then she finally came back out and opened the door. We sat and "interviewed" for maybe 10 minutes. This woman who I had been on the phone with for an hour laughing and talking business had nothing to say to me. She finally makes up some story about forgetting that her boss would not be in that day, so there was no need for me to stay for a second interview. She would call me when he arrived the next day. I'm still waiting for that call.
 
2013-07-16 05:00:36 PM  

armor helix: It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.


yeah, because its only racism if it's overt, right? Check this out. I fly twice a week, every week like clockwork. Each flight has two legs, so thats really four flights a week every week for the last 2 and a half years. Do the math. Because Im so regular, I often get comped business class seats...at least one or two flights out of the 4 will be Business class. The airline I use has assigned seating. You go to where your seat is and sit down, be it business class, coach or whatever. I have NEVER had to show my ticket to a flight attendant when sitting in business class. NEVER.

I know people who have had to, though. Black people. 100% of the time, if someone has to show a ticket, that person is black.

/Never seen anyone thrown out for not having the right ticket, either.

/that aint overt, though.
 
2013-07-16 05:16:32 PM  

Madbassist1: armor helix: It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.

yeah, because its only racism if it's overt, right? Check this out. I fly twice a week, every week like clockwork. Each flight has two legs, so thats really four flights a week every week for the last 2 and a half years. Do the math. Because Im so regular, I often get comped business class seats...at least one or two flights out of the 4 will be Business class. The airline I use has assigned seating. You go to where your seat is and sit down, be it business class, coach or whatever. I have NEVER had to show my ticket to a flight attendant when sitting in business class. NEVER.

I know people who have had to, though. Black people. 100% of the time, if someone has to show a ticket, that person is black.

/Never seen anyone thrown out for not having the right ticket, either.

/that aint overt, though.


I, too, have been the victim of racism.

I've been threatened for walking-while-white through the ghetto more times than I can count. I've been pulled over in a majority black city - one with a black mayor and a majority black police force - by two black officers no less, who hand cuffed me and proceeded to search both myself and my car because "there's no reason for white people to be here after dark except drugs;" I was simply taking a coworker home at the time. I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."

So that means I can call someone a "creepy ass ni****" now, right? We're cool?
 
2013-07-16 05:32:34 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.


It is a cultural thing.  Any sub-section of the populace that does X gets treated like Z.  Sure, some few bigots will look at everyone of skin color Y and presume false things, but not all white people are that way.  A vast majority of us anymore blame a specific culture(or individual) based purely on their actions.

In this case, it's the far left that is behaving like animals, within that is blacks and whites.  If you'd watched some of the riots you'd have seen white people marching right beside black people.
This is not strictly a white vs black issue, why you continue to insist on painting at such is almost puzzling(but then I remember who you are and what you do in ever thread you're in...)
[more below because fark's quote box insisted on putting this above the rest of my post]


abfalter: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


So there were hundreds of peaceful demonstrations and a few that were not.  And those few that are not prove the stereotype and not the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that showed otherwise?

Racism, indeed, has a basis in ignorance...


The difference between a rioter and a protestor, pertaining to this case, is the willingness to take action.  They obviously all have the same beliefs, that a great injustice was done.  Neither group is correct.  Both protester and rioter based their opinions on simple and/or willful ignorance(if not bigotry and prejudice).

DROxINxTHExWIND: group which I belong.


That is where you end up being racist.  You think you belong to them based on the color of your skin in relation to the color of their skin.

DROxINxTHExWIND: I spend the majority of these threads countering the bigotted opinion that we are inferior.


No, you spend the majority of these threads seeking out and instigating a fight with people you BelieveTM to be bigoted against "your" people, all while flaunting another BeliefTM, that there is a difference and each "group"(black&white) deserves to be labeled as different entities.  Even if(and sometimes especially when) you have fabricated the argument in it's entirety.

You clearly and consistently buy into the dichotomous race problem, create exclusion and judgement were the only actual solution is inclusion and tolerance.  In summation, you are part of the problem.

You're as bad as the chick on CNN who flew off the handle when the juror B37 used the word "they" to describe Jeantel and Treyvon and flew off into a anti-racism rant.  Because, it's impossible she meant that subset of young people, specifically that group of friends and peers, IMPOSSIBLE.
 
2013-07-16 05:35:24 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?


LOL. The old "it didn' happen to YOOOOU" defense of racism. Classic. Let see here, first thing is if a teacher is unfair, favored females, didn't give a shiat, or only taught the top 5% of the class, I as a black person would be affected by it just like you. But if she's racist...

Do you see how that works? Now, here come the clowns who will take this post and make the claim that I blame some failure on being black. No. I'm fine. I'm giving you all examples of the disparity.

Do you really want to hear about my personal experiences or are you attempting to mock me from a position of ignorance by assuming that I have none? First, I would not be in a position to see if someone threw my resume in the garbage because as an applicant, you don;t get that kind of access. I have been an accounts payable manager for a number of years and I have first-hand experience hiring and firing people. Before I hire anyone, after I select the best candidates, we have an interview with the CFO of Finance so that he (it was a she at the time) can give a final stamp of approval. The resume incident that I am referring happened when my manager, faced with the resume of two applicants who she had never ...


A friend of mine used to work for a guy who just outright said that he didn't hire black people.  But, he had a shop full of Mexicans, so he wasn't racist.  Swell dude.
 
2013-07-16 05:39:08 PM  
Elegy:  I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."


Was it this guy?

patperezgolf.com
 
2013-07-16 05:55:31 PM  

Elegy: Madbassist1: armor helix: It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.

yeah, because its only racism if it's overt, right? Check this out. I fly twice a week, every week like clockwork. Each flight has two legs, so thats really four flights a week every week for the last 2 and a half years. Do the math. Because Im so regular, I often get comped business class seats...at least one or two flights out of the 4 will be Business class. The airline I use has assigned seating. You go to where your seat is and sit down, be it business class, coach or whatever. I have NEVER had to show my ticket to a flight attendant when sitting in business class. NEVER.

I know people who have had to, though. Black people. 100% of the time, if someone has to show a ticket, that person is black.

/Never seen anyone thrown out for not having the right ticket, either.

/that aint overt, though.

I, too, have been the victim of racism.

I've been threatened for walking-while-white through the ghetto more times than I can count. I've been pulled over in a majority black city - one with a black mayor and a majority black police force - by two black officers no less, who hand cuffed me and proceeded to search both myself and my car because "there's no reason for white people to be here after dark except drugs;" I was simply taking a coworker home at the time. I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."


Oh, you went on the "Black Experience" ride, eh?  Fun!  Give you any perspective?

So that means I can call someone a "creepy ass ni****" now, right? We're cool?

Sure.  It's all the rage.  Go for it!  Say it loud and proud!
 
2013-07-16 06:02:05 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?


LOL. The old "it didn' happen to YOOOOU" defense of racism. .


If you want to whine that you were discriminated against because some other person of your race was brutalized by a cop, then you really have no argument.

As pointed out earlier by someone else:  "Try being an individual, and not a representative of a group. "

Let see here, first thing is if a teacher is unfair, favored females, didn't give a shiat, or only taught the top 5% of the class, I as a black person would be affected by it just like you. But if she's racist...

Do you see how that works?


You obviously don't.  Different people face disparity for different reasons.
I assumed you were in the top 5% of the class and I wasn't in my example.


Do you really want to hear about my personal experiences or are you attempting to mock me from a position of ignorance by assuming that I have none? First, I would not be in a position to see if someone threw my resume in the garbage because as an applicant, you don;t get that kind of access.

So then don't make up stories.  It doesn't make your case stronger when you do.

I have been an accounts payable manager for a number of years and I have first-hand experience hiring and firing people. Before I hire anyone, after I select the best candidates, we have an interview with the CFO of Finance so that he (it was a she at the time) can give a final stamp of approval. The resume incident that I am referring happened when my manager, faced with the resume of two applicants who she had never met before, began to ask me strange questions about the applicant with the "ethnic" name. "Was she dressed appropriately for the office?" and "Did she give any attitude when you told her the hours" come to mind as the ones that raised a red flag with me, since she'd never asked it about anyone else. I set up interviews with both final applicants and when I went into her office later to have somehint signed I saw that she had tossed the young lady's resume into the garbage. She was supposed to be reviewing it to put together her interview questions. Needless to say, the interview was very short. The CFO had made her decision prior to the introduction.

So what?  That has nothing to do with throwing her resume in the trash because of her name.  You are just doing the knee-jerk  "It was rejected because of her name".  Did you read her resume?

I recall speaking to a potential employer once when I was looking for another accounting job. I had a GREAT, not good, GREAT conversation with the Controller who explained that they had actually stopped accepting applicants ... I'm still waiting for that call.

So what?  You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?
 
2013-07-16 06:04:55 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?


It always is with these people.

They love it when you say "these people"
 
2013-07-16 06:06:05 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?


Bad reading comprehension is bad.
 
2013-07-16 06:09:40 PM  

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?

Bad reading comprehension is bad.


Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.
My friend who is a minority walked into an interview and the interviewee kept looking at her uncomfortably.
Took a while, but she eventually realized that her shoulder had the remnants of some vomit from her baby that she was holding before she went to work.
Got the job anyway.
 
2013-07-16 06:18:36 PM  
More like they are opportunistic assholes who don't give a ripe fark about anyone but themselves, but will use this boy's death as an excuse to do whatever they want. Same thing happened with the last riots. Nobody gave a rats ass about Rodney King, but they were sure to take advantage of it for theft and arson, battery and vandalism. Try reading a book and getting a farking job losers. Way to reinforce the stereotype.
 
2013-07-16 06:18:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?

Bad reading comprehension is bad.

Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.
My friend who is a minority walked into an interview and the interviewee kept looking at her uncomfortably.
Took a while, but she eventually realized that her shoulder had the remnants of some vomit from her baby that she was holding before she went to work.
Got the job anyway.


Yeah, but he said that they asked him to interview in spite of the expired application period.
 
2013-07-16 06:23:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.


This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals
 
2013-07-16 06:23:17 PM  

abfalter: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


So there were hundreds of peaceful demonstrations and a few that were not.  And those few that are not prove the stereotype and not the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that showed otherwise?

Racism, indeed, has a basis in ignorance...


/Not really, as FACTS support that crime is higher per number of black population vs white.  At least violent crime. Black youths are a small percentage of America's total population, but make up for more than 50 percent of its crime.  So if anyone is ignorant, its you.  People aren't racist...they have been trained by SEEING and knowing the facts of who is doing what.  That is LEARNING THROUGH EXPERIENCE, not racism.  Ever watch cops?  Watch it for a week and tell me if the majority of people they arrest are black or white.  Come back then and spout your bullshiat.
 
2013-07-16 06:25:14 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: More like they are opportunistic assholes who don't give a ripe fark about anyone but themselves, but will use this boy's death as an excuse to do whatever they want. Same thing happened with the last riots. Nobody gave a rats ass about Rodney King, but they were sure to take advantage of it for theft and arson, battery and vandalism. Try reading a book and getting a farking job losers. Way to reinforce the stereotype.


Well, that certainly describe the rioters, looters, vandals, etc.  However, up here in Oakland, it's the same old story.  There will be a strong group of people peacefully protesting, with the best of intentions, then as evening hits, idiots of all shades, mostly from out of town, arrive and start shiat.  Over 3/4 of all people arrested in the last riots out here were from elsewhere.
 
2013-07-16 06:28:34 PM  

omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals


You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.
 
2013-07-16 06:31:19 PM  

I Browse: Elegy:  I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."


Was it this guy?

[patperezgolf.com image 525x387]


Haha, I love that scene. That would have been so much more amusing than what we actually encountered. Believe it or not, race relations in the Mississippi delta are still a bit... tense.

Side note: for some reason I had a brain fart and called it a honky tonk. That's incorrect, a honky tonk is a country bar. In the delta, blues bars are called juke joints.
 
2013-07-16 06:33:41 PM  

vrax: omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals

You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.


Yeah, because cherrypicking is the sign of the informed intelligence that you purport to have.
 
2013-07-16 06:44:15 PM  

omeganuepsilon: vrax: omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals

You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.

Yeah, because cherrypicking is the sign of the informed intelligence that you purport to have.


Yes, it was a nice ripe cherry of BS that derailed the rest of your post.  Oh, 2013 would otherwise be such a racial utopia were it not for those retarded liberals.
 
2013-07-16 07:10:31 PM  

Joe Blowme: JAGChem82: doubled99: Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.

It's always great when someone says something so stupid and self-defeating there is no need to mock it.

What was stupid about it? Are those universal slurs for white people the same way the N-word is used? They aren't? So what the hell are you biatching about me saying them for? Last time I checked, those words were used ubiquitously in TV and other social media.

so if they say it on tv, facebook, and in songs then its ok to say? be sure to let the DOJ know we can all now say nword and not be racist

/willfully obtuse? Trolling? or just plain stupid... you decide


Please. If you really cared about bashing racists, you'd be castigating these reject 4chan and YouTube trolls on the numerous Zimmerman threads on Fark. But somebody says anything you feel negative about white people, you cry like a 5 year old. It isn't necessarily the slur itself that is offensive (in regards to the N-word), it's what came after it that pissed us off. If you want to go say it, fine. Just be willing to put up with the consequences afterwards.

And because you probably comeback with "well if you get to say it..." Guess what? It IS farking stupid when we say it! Do you think if was ever in a business meeting with DRO or any other black guy, that WE go all ghetto speak and talk about "mothafarking crackers be fronting"? No. But some black ITG goes on Facebook acting like an extra on a rap video? "Oh hell those darn black people are so retarded". Get over yourself.
 
2013-07-16 07:10:37 PM  

vrax: omeganuepsilon: vrax: omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals

You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.

Yeah, because cherrypicking is the sign of the informed intelligence that you purport to have.

Yes, it was a nice ripe cherry of BS that derailed the rest of your post.  Oh, 2013 would otherwise be such a racial utopia were it not for those retarded liberals.


Where did I say they were the only ones to blame?  Of course the actual bigots are part of the problem, do I need to mention them every time I talk about the problem?  No, some things go without saying, like your need to be at the rally in 26 minutes.
/It's not all liberals either, just the retarded ones, just as problematic as the retarded conservatives
//but what's important is that I feel superior to both

You're one of those people like drox, ferreting out racism, and when that fails, you fabricate the straw man to knock down.  You should think about a new hobby, you suck at this one.
 
2013-07-16 07:15:46 PM  

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?

Bad reading comprehension is bad.

Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.
My friend who is a minority walked into an interview and the interviewee kept looking at her uncomfortably.
Took a while, but she eventually realized that her shoulder had the remnants of some vomit from her baby that she was holding before she went to work.
Got the job anyway.

Yeah, but he said that they asked him to interview in spite of the expired application period.


Meh.  Backup candidates because they thought their choice wasn't going to take the job, or had asked for an extra day to make the decision.  Happens all the time.
 
2013-07-16 07:20:41 PM  

omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.


Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.
 
2013-07-16 07:24:31 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.


Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.
 
2013-07-16 07:28:43 PM  

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.


I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?
 
2013-07-16 07:34:35 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?


Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.
 
2013-07-16 07:37:38 PM  

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?

Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.


Typical "me generation" response.  It is all about your enjoyment.
About what I expected from you.
 
2013-07-16 07:41:43 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?

Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.

Typical "me generation" response.  It is all about your enjoyment.
About what I expected from you.


That is rich coming from Mr. Bootstrappy, I Got Mine, from the politics tab.  LMFAO!
 
2013-07-16 07:49:32 PM  
Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.
 
2013-07-16 08:33:21 PM  
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That's what Zimmerman would've wanted.
 
2013-07-16 09:17:43 PM  

Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Exactly!

And nobody wants to discuss the fact that the only actual overt racism was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a cracker.

Maybe...just maybe... Trayvon's racist beliefs caused him to attack Zimmerman and wind up dead.

Trayvon's mother didn't give a shiat about Trayvon until it was time to sue the HOA and collect money.
 
2013-07-16 10:06:30 PM  

armor helix: Trayvon's mother didn't give a shiat about Trayvon until it was time to sue the HOA and collect money.


Don't know about that, but she did at first admit it maybe was a fight that got out of hand(knowing her son).
And later her "darkest day" was when GZ didn't get convicted, nevermind when her son attacked him and died.

She started out respectable....I will heavily blame Crump for her corruption.
 
2013-07-16 10:31:04 PM  

Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.



Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?
 
2013-07-16 11:21:41 PM  

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


1. Zimmerman came before both of these.
2. Zimmerman isn't actually racist, but many claim he is anyhow.  Great controversy for ratings.
3. There is no ready evidence of the defendants claims. No weapons, nor harm to their person....again, not much controversy to be had, makes for poor ratings.

In a nutshell, they're no where near as clear cut cases as Zimm's was. Disclaimer, I haven't seen other news and those articles are fairly sparse.  I don't think we'll see anywhere near the evidence/witness chain that we had with Zimm's case to corroborate or at least lend credence to their stories.  One guy left the scene, so even if there was a gun(probably lying, mind you) it was long gone.
 
2013-07-16 11:23:48 PM  
Further disclaimer:  They may get off the hook anyways.  Well as the justice system worked for Zimm's case, it's not always that on top of things.

If they do get off, I'll be on your team(barring some really convincing evidence, unlikely as it sounds).
 
2013-07-16 11:36:57 PM  

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


First let me say those two stories illustrate my point of selective outrage.  I find each of those cases you linked far more offensive than the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy and deserve more scorn.

I think your linked cases got less attention because the accused was quickly arrested and charged.  Zimmerman was not initially charged (and in hindsight rightfully so considering the verdict).

IMO the major difference is going to be guilt.  I dont mind going out on a limb and saying the defendant in each of the two pending cases will be convicted.  Zimmerman was not.

By definition, justice was served in the Zimmerman/Martin trial.  I expect justice to be served in the other two cases as well.

I have answered your questions.  My turn.  Why is the verdict in the Zimmerman/Martin case so hard to accept for many?
 
2013-07-16 11:50:34 PM  

Frederick: Why is the verdict in the Zimmerman/Martin case so hard to accept for many?


Because many people can't weigh all of the evidence at once, or are under-informed, or choose to be ignorant of evidence X because it doesn't fit their agenda(which can vary widely, anti-gun to anti community involvement to advancing civil rights[admirable enough but mistaken in this case] etc etc.).

Things like hindsight bias(historical fallacy) where people can't grasp the concept that we know a lot GZ didn't know at the time, it just wasn't predictable as a lot of people want to make it sound.  Knock that up to a lack of empathy if you want, but I think there's a factor of intelligence as well.  All flaws with the "If he hadn't have gotten out of the car, it could have been avoided."  argument.
 
2013-07-17 12:11:45 AM  

Fark It: Thank you, media and internet, for enlightening the general public about the facts of the case, not inflaming people's emotions, and helping foster an environment of enlightened discourse.


Because the "protestors" are certainly doing a bang-up job all by themselves?

Is it racist now to report the farking news or something?
 
2013-07-17 12:52:36 AM  

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?

Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.

Typical "me generation" response.  It is all about your enjoyment.
About what I expected from you.

That is rich coming from Mr. Bootstrappy, I Got Mine, from the politics tab.  LMFAO!


riiggght.  Because everyone who disagrees with the hive thinking of the politics tab is "boostrappy, I got mine".

Your strawman is invalid.

How many strawman are you going to try before you come back to reality?
 
2013-07-17 12:56:04 AM  

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


Did Obama think that either of those victims could have been just like the son he never had?
 
2013-07-17 12:56:54 AM  
Frederick:

1. I think your linked cases got less attention because the accused was quickly arrested and charged.  Zimmerman was not initially charged (and in hindsight rightfully so considering the verdict).


2. I have answered your questions.  My turn.  Why is the verdict in the Zimmerman/Martin case so hard to accept for many?



1. Bingo...that's the big difference. The initial reason the Martin/Zimmerman case got so much attention is because Zimmerman wasn't arrested and charged. That's certainly what threw me off when I first heard about it. It wasn't just that a non-black person killed a black person (as you originally asserted). It was the lack of any formal charges that made this into a newsworthy story.

Were the police right not to charge him? Depends on if you believe Zimmerman's account of the incident. The cops believed it (and clearly so did the jury). So I can see why they didn't arrest him. But again, the lack of charges is what surprised most people...not just the shooting itself, and not just the races of the actors.

2. It isn't hard for me to accept, because I knew this would be the outcome for a long time now. I've come to terms with it. For others, I think it's a matter of principle. At the heart of it, they don't believe Zimmerman should ever have called the police in the first place. They're upset that Martin was profiled. Sure...they'll argue the detailed points of the case (i.e. who started the confrontation, what the 911 operator said, which one was screaming, etc). But what it really boils down to is the initial call to the police, and why Zimmerman made it.

The whole "I Am Trayvon Martin" rallying cry is mostly about profiling, imho. In other words "This time it was Trayvon, next time it could be you, your son, brother, husband, cousin, etc." And that's why I think people (mostly black people) are having such a hard time with this. We can imagine ourselves being in Martin's place more than we can in Zimmerman's.

For what it's worth (and again, this is a black person saying this)...I don't think any of these protests are going to amount to much or change anything. Because even if you repeal Stand Your Ground laws (won't happen) or restrict gun ownership (keep dreaming)...you still won't cure what is at the root of profiling, and that's fear and distrust.
 
2013-07-17 01:01:59 AM  

Frederick: I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?

First let me say those two stories illustrate my point of selective outrage.  I find each of those cases you linked far more offensive than the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy and deserve more scorn.

I think your linked cases got less attention because the accused was quickly arrested and charged.  Zimmerman was not initially charged (and in hindsight rightfully so considering the verdict).

IMO the major difference is going to be guilt.  I dont mind going out on a limb and saying the defendant in each of the two pending cases will be convicted.  Zimmerman was not.

By definition, justice was served in the Zimmerman/Martin trial.  I expect justice to be served in the other two cases as well.


Generally agreed.
I think something else at play in the Zimmerman case is that there was an accusation that the victim did something wrong since George claimed self-defense.
The outrage was hightened by the "how dare you accuse some guy who was just out for a walk with his skittles and Ice tea."
(I know it was Watermelon Fruit Juice, but the media couldn't report that).
 
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