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2013-07-16 09:49:00 AM
Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.
 
2013-07-16 09:50:12 AM
Now this is one hell of a headline
 
2013-07-16 10:01:42 AM
dancininanson.net
 
2013-07-16 10:11:07 AM
They are not protesters, they are criminals.
 
2013-07-16 10:11:37 AM
In the looters defense, they do sell Skittles and hoodies at Wal-Mart
 
2013-07-16 10:11:44 AM
Bravo subby, +1 internets for you.
 
2013-07-16 10:11:52 AM
God damn, subby, you really took it to the next level.
 
hej
2013-07-16 10:12:13 AM
Were they stealing Skittles?
 
2013-07-16 10:12:46 AM
Are you farking kidding me? Why are they being called "Protesters" throughout the media? Clearly, once they pass the peaceful protest stage they are rioters
 
2013-07-16 10:12:59 AM
Finally!!! I've been praying for another reason to hate.
 
2013-07-16 10:13:05 AM
Looters gonna loot.
 
2013-07-16 10:13:46 AM
i saw a bunch of cameras recording pretty much everything, including cell phone cameras.  hopefully these people are caught and punished appropriately
 
2013-07-16 10:13:54 AM
Way to prove the stereotype
 
2013-07-16 10:14:08 AM

boarch: Are you farking kidding me? Why are they being called "Protesters" throughout the media? Clearly, once they pass the peaceful protest stage they are rioters


"Protester" has been redefined to mean "criminal."
 
2013-07-16 10:14:17 AM
I don't get the headline.  Don't you have to steal something to loot?  Or is this just one of those things we chalk up to "conservative" humor?
 
2013-07-16 10:15:04 AM
I hope they beat each other up, and cap the evening by breaking into some houses (hey heads up, if someone follows you, assume they're armed).
 
2013-07-16 10:15:12 AM
What the hell is wrong with people?
"IT DIN'T GO THE WAY WE WANTED SO WE ARE GOING TO BREAK STUFF"

yea. that will really cause change.
 
2013-07-16 10:16:59 AM
FTFA:  TV news helicopters showed some people kicking and punching others along the street, including two people sitting on a bus bench.

Wonder if the victims were white by chance? If so, DOJ needs to get all over this.
 
2013-07-16 10:17:56 AM

sendtodave: boarch: Are you farking kidding me? Why are they being called "Protesters" throughout the media? Clearly, once they pass the peaceful protest stage they are rioters

"Protester" has been redefined to mean "criminal."


These guys were not protesting and my guess is that they only showed up in the hopes that they could do some looting.
 
2013-07-16 10:18:02 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.



So there were hundreds of peaceful demonstrations and a few that were not.  And those few that are not prove the stereotype and not the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that showed otherwise?

Racism, indeed, has a basis in ignorance...
 
2013-07-16 10:18:35 AM
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Oh, wait.  These are white people celebrating sports victories.
 
2013-07-16 10:18:50 AM

Fiction Fan: What the hell is wrong with people?
"IT DIN'T GO THE WAY WE WANTED SO WE ARE GOING TO BREAK STUFF"

yea. that will really cause change.


Plus they destroy stuff in their own neighborhood.
 
2013-07-16 10:19:38 AM
BLOYCOTT FLORIDA!!! BLOYCOTT FLORIDA!!!
 
2013-07-16 10:19:55 AM
Thank you, media and internet, for enlightening the general public about the facts of the case, not inflaming people's emotions, and helping foster an environment of enlightened discourse.
 
2013-07-16 10:20:44 AM
I hear after being released they all went to a local fox news affiliate and received a wad of cash.

/too paranoid? maybe... maybe not.
 
2013-07-16 10:21:03 AM

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Oh, wait.  These are white people celebrating sports victories.


Hockey victory.  Blacks do not like hockey.
 
2013-07-16 10:21:15 AM
July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked
 
2013-07-16 10:21:17 AM
All I heard when the Tea Party thing happened was "You cannot judge the whole movement on the oh-so tiny few who bring racist signs to a protest!" Surely the same courtesy and understanding that these rioters do not represent the majority of folks upset over the Zimmerman verdict will be extended, right?

Right?
 
2013-07-16 10:21:45 AM

sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked


Win
 
2013-07-16 10:22:15 AM

cig-mkr: FTFA:  TV news helicopters showed some people kicking and punching others along the street, including two people sitting on a bus bench.

Wonder if the victims were white by chance? If so, DOJ needs to get all over this.


Yeah, because the "protesters" civil rights were violated by those people on the street who hit the protesters fists with their faces.
 
2013-07-16 10:22:37 AM

sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked


george zimmerman is white?
 
2013-07-16 10:22:54 AM
yahoo news is basically a right wing nutter site at this point, take what they say with a grain of salt.
 
2013-07-16 10:23:02 AM

Latinwolf: sendtodave: boarch: Are you farking kidding me? Why are they being called "Protesters" throughout the media? Clearly, once they pass the peaceful protest stage they are rioters

"Protester" has been redefined to mean "criminal."

These guys were not protesting and my guess is that they only showed up in the hopes that they could do some looting.


Are they causing social unrest?  Then they're protesting.  That's what protesting is.

Causing trouble.  Just ask the media.
 
2013-07-16 10:23:03 AM

cman: Now this is one hell of a headline


Dancin_In_Anson: [dancininanson.net image 425x284]


To The Escape Zeppelin!: Bravo subby, +1 internets for you.


Big Beef Burrito: God damn, subby, you really took it to the next level.


Did the admins change this headline from something that was originally funny or well-crafted?
 
2013-07-16 10:23:13 AM

AdamK: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

george zimmerman is white?


He's a crakca ass cracka
 
2013-07-16 10:23:20 AM
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But it helps, right?
wat
/you don't have to be crazy to work here
 
2013-07-16 10:23:27 AM
If you want to riot and loot, please go to Florida
 
2013-07-16 10:24:34 AM
Looting or surviving?

static.tvfanatic.com
 
2013-07-16 10:24:46 AM
Why do we not see Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton on TV condemning this behavior?  You want justice, fine, go about it in a peaceful manner.

You message of racial inequality needing to be corrected within the Justice System falls on deaf ears when you lash out in violence, theft, and property destruction.  Being a stereotype is not helping your cause!
 
2013-07-16 10:25:05 AM

Owangotang: All I heard when the Tea Party thing happened was "You cannot judge the whole movement on the oh-so tiny few who bring racist signs to a protest!" Surely the same courtesy and understanding that these rioters do not represent the majority of folks upset over the Zimmerman verdict will be extended, right?

Right?


What if the whole movement is carrying racist signs?
 
2013-07-16 10:25:05 AM
TV news helicopters showed some people kicking and punching others along the street, including two people sitting on a bus bench

Too bad they didn't have a gun
 
2013-07-16 10:25:15 AM

sigdiamond2000: cman: Now this is one hell of a headline

Dancin_In_Anson: [dancininanson.net image 425x284]

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Bravo subby, +1 internets for you.

Big Beef Burrito: God damn, subby, you really took it to the next level.

Did the admins change this headline from something that was originally funny or well-crafted?


Yeah, seriously
 
2013-07-16 10:25:36 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


Way to go, SecretAgentWoman!

Proving that southern stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.
 
2013-07-16 10:26:26 AM
And these people pretty much farked themselves even more. How many of those stores will shut down or move away now that this has happend. I remember after the Rodney King trial all the rioting and years after that many of the buildings were still burned out and empty because nobody would invest in that neighborhood again.
 
2013-07-16 10:26:38 AM
Democrats are so predictable and easy to manipulate. Obama's plan moves forward.
 
2013-07-16 10:26:53 AM
LargeCanine: They are not protesters, they are criminals FBI agitators.

It only takes one or two to get the crowd going.
 
2013-07-16 10:27:02 AM
Attention Florida "protesters":

YOU'RE NOT HELPING
 
2013-07-16 10:27:14 AM
Shouldn't the riots be at a Target(tm) store? After all, if GZ wasn't on his way there, this could have all been avoided.
 
2013-07-16 10:27:28 AM

AdamK: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

george zimmerman is white?


Eh, close enough.
 
2013-07-16 10:28:23 AM
I've borrowed, but I've never looted.

/white
 
2013-07-16 10:28:38 AM
To me, there's a not-so-subtle difference between protesters and scum.

I don't agree with the position the protesters take on the issue, but I know they're not there to loot and assault. Those that are... are scum, and should be thrown in jail.
 
2013-07-16 10:28:55 AM
This reminds me of when Muslims attacked embassies all over the world because of a cartoon.

Democrats are the Islamists of America.
 
2013-07-16 10:29:39 AM

Savage Belief: Attention Florida "protesters":

YOU'RE NOT HELPING


'Scudding me. LA "protesters"
 
2013-07-16 10:29:46 AM
Who cares, let California burn
 
2013-07-16 10:30:40 AM

thecpt: sigdiamond2000: cman: Now this is one hell of a headline

Dancin_In_Anson: [dancininanson.net image 425x284]

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Bravo subby, +1 internets for you.

Big Beef Burrito: God damn, subby, you really took it to the next level.

Did the admins change this headline from something that was originally funny or well-crafted?

Yeah, seriously


No, its neither funny, nor well-crafted in the traditional sense, but sometimes a headline comes along that's just guaranteed to bring out the crazy.

This is that headline.
 
2013-07-16 10:32:26 AM

Headso: yahoo news is basically a right wing nutter site at this point, take what they say with a grain of salt.


It sucks, but...
 
2013-07-16 10:32:30 AM
Probably driven crazy by non-stop FOX News whining about the lack of violence, needing to leave the house, and hoping that a new TV would have Netflix so they could chill out.

Finding that TeaParty agents provocateur had already broken doors and were aquiring the finer stock taking advantage of people just needing to be around people instead of incessant propaganda and electronic attention whores.
 
2013-07-16 10:33:17 AM

sendtodave: AdamK: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

george zimmerman is white?

Eh, close enough.


Honorary white.
 
2013-07-16 10:34:31 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


I hope this is sarcasm. If not, please DIAF. You're a disgrace to white people and Southern states.
 
2013-07-16 10:35:10 AM
Well, that finally happened. Now we can all go home.

But, does the Wal-Mart look any worse than Black Friday? Were more or less people killed?
 
2013-07-16 10:35:11 AM

LarryDan43: sendtodave: AdamK: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

george zimmerman is white?

Eh, close enough.

Honorary white.


White enough to be found not guilty of killing a black kid.
 
2013-07-16 10:35:24 AM
At least the Jews are safe, right?

/someone hide me if they're not
 
2013-07-16 10:37:02 AM
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No, but those 'ear-rings' are a crime.
 
2013-07-16 10:37:47 AM

Wendy's Chili: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

Way to go, SecretAgentWoman!

Proving that southern stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


Way to go, Wendy's Chili!
Proving that stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.
 
2013-07-16 10:38:19 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about white people? Or are the people creating "anarchy" just bad apples?
 
2013-07-16 10:38:45 AM
So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:00 AM

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No, but those 'ear-rings' are a crime.


Agreed. She'll be airborne if there's a strong gust of wind.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:13 AM

BitwiseShift: Probably driven crazy by non-stop FOX News whining about the lack of violence, needing to leave the house, and hoping that a new TV would have Netflix so they could chill out.

Finding that TeaParty agents provocateur had already broken doors and were aquiring the finer stock taking advantage of people just needing to be around people instead of incessant propaganda and electronic attention whores.


They dont look like the fox news type
 
2013-07-16 10:40:23 AM

Big Beef Burrito: No, its neither funny, nor well-crafted in the traditional sense, but sometimes a headline comes along that's just guaranteed to bring out the crazy.

This is that headline.


It's an in your face commentary on what's happening in the name of 'justice'. I applaud Smitty again.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:49 AM

Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.


I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?
 
2013-07-16 10:41:11 AM

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Oh, wait. These are white people celebrating sports victories.


Possibly.  They could also be mourning a sports defeat.  In College Park they burn sofas either way once the March Madness starts.
 
2013-07-16 10:41:51 AM
I am shocked, SHOCKED that it's Los Angeles.
 
2013-07-16 10:43:39 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Big Beef Burrito: No, its neither funny, nor well-crafted in the traditional sense, but sometimes a headline comes along that's just guaranteed to bring out the crazy.

This is that headline.

It's an in your face commentary on what's happening in the name of 'justice'. I applaud Smitty again.


I was thinking to myself, "are people being sarcastic about the headline and I'm just missing it?" That's been done dozens of times. Its neither creative or original. Now, I see your post and realize you all are serious.
 
2013-07-16 10:44:27 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about white people? Or are the people creating "anarchy" just bad apples?


Nah. Those were leftists.
 
2013-07-16 10:45:12 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?


I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.
 
2013-07-16 10:45:12 AM

AdamK: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

george zimmerman is white?



When it comes to rioting over the death of a black man, anyone who is not black is, by default, white.

It still annoys me that people think that rioting will help in some way to relieve racial tensions.  Acting like a fool because you don't agree with something just makes you look worse.  If a "peaceful protest" involves violence, vandalism, fire, etc., it is neither "peaceful" nor a "protest".

/As with other events, I think that there are some who were just waiting (and perhaps hoping) for an excuse to riot.  During all this, there are many blacks who are assuredly just as flabbergasted by the stupidity of the situation.
 
2013-07-16 10:46:02 AM

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Oh, wait.  These are white people celebrating sports victories.


which supports the stereotype of the rabid sports fan.
 
2013-07-16 10:46:35 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.


Ahhhhh gotcha

Yea, idiots are idiots. I don't think it matters what skin color they were born with. Especially if you live in Vancuver and burn your own city down because you lost the Cup to the Big Bad Bruins.
 
2013-07-16 10:47:09 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?


I agree it's bad.
I'm still going to call out people who act like only one type of people riot.
 
2013-07-16 10:47:30 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about people on the far left.


FTFY.
 
2013-07-16 10:49:18 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Big Beef Burrito: No, its neither funny, nor well-crafted in the traditional sense, but sometimes a headline comes along that's just guaranteed to bring out the crazy.

This is that headline.

It's an in your face commentary on what's happening in the name of 'justice'. I applaud Smitty again.


Exactly.

I also see a whole lot of Trayvon people here citing riots by white people that didn't happen in the United States. You're a failure if you cite things that didn't happen here. Different laws, different lives, different mindset about their different society, etc.
 
2013-07-16 10:50:49 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dancin_In_Anson: Big Beef Burrito: No, its neither funny, nor well-crafted in the traditional sense, but sometimes a headline comes along that's just guaranteed to bring out the crazy.

This is that headline.

It's an in your face commentary on what's happening in the name of 'justice'. I applaud Smitty again.

I was thinking to myself, "are people being sarcastic about the headline and I'm just missing it?" That's been done dozens of times. Its neither creative or original. Now, I see your post and realize you all are serious.


I don't have to like soccer to appreciate a perfect shot on goal.

I am assuming that Subby was going for a flawless troll headline. If not, that's pretty farked up.
 
2013-07-16 10:51:31 AM
I'm shocked, SHOCKED that this is happening.
 
2013-07-16 10:51:42 AM

Pichu0102: I agree it's bad.
I'm still going to call out people who act like only one type of people riot.


Fair enough
 
2013-07-16 10:52:30 AM
I find it hard to believe these people actually care about Trayvon. They were looking for an excuse to act out their asshole fantasies.
 
2013-07-16 10:53:00 AM

Headso: yahoo news is basically a right wing nutter site at this point, take what they say with a grain of salt.


Associated Press story.
 
2013-07-16 10:53:23 AM
It probably IS what Trayvon would have wanted though, no?
 
2013-07-16 10:53:25 AM
It's okay because white people chimp out too, r... right?People who crack jokes are just r... racist. C... check your privilege.Pls respond ;_;
 
2013-07-16 10:54:44 AM
Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.
 
2013-07-16 10:54:52 AM

Civil_War2_Time: Dancin_In_Anson: Big Beef Burrito: No, its neither funny, nor well-crafted in the traditional sense, but sometimes a headline comes along that's just guaranteed to bring out the crazy.

This is that headline.

It's an in your face commentary on what's happening in the name of 'justice'. I applaud Smitty again.

Exactly.

I also see a whole lot of Trayvon people here citing riots by white people that didn't happen in the United States. You're a failure if you cite things that didn't happen here. Different laws, different lives, different mindset about their different society, etc.


And a riot is NOT having a little fire outside the Staples Center in LA (for clarification).
 
2013-07-16 10:55:46 AM
Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer sent a letter Monday to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder supporting the Justice Department decision to review the case to determine whether Martin's civil rights were violated.

As much as I think Zimmerman needed to be punished, they need to back off. Boxer's desire to keep this rolling to probably another conclusion that exonerates him is stupid and pandering.
 
2013-07-16 10:55:49 AM
Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.
 
2013-07-16 10:56:06 AM

tkwasny: It's not the color of the skin, it's the culture a group of people choose to lock themselves into. The culture of feeling everyone outside of their "special group" owes them something/everything.


But enough about the Koch Brothers.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:24 AM
It's almost as shocking as the number of farkers that I color-coded as 'Racist' showing up in this thread to be racist.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:31 AM
Just looks like someone cut the lights on and the roaches went to scrambling.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:40 AM
LA is slacking off. Start burning some shiat! Are you really going to be topped by the Canadians and the British?

I'd better see at least two Foot Lockers and three Best Buy's ransacked and torched.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:47 AM
I'm not saying that looting should be a capital crime, but I am saying that society as a whole would be much better off if these people were to suddenly not exist anymore.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:54 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?

I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.


Ding.

In addition, like I've said before, the protestors in this case have been saintly in comparison to other riots, especially considering the root causes (death of a man vs sports outcome).
 
2013-07-16 10:59:13 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?

I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.


Not skin color, but culture. Unfortunately, one skin color in particular gravitates towards that culture. Please explain to me how and why pretty much everyone knew what "race" would be primarily taking part and leading these riots before it happened? Is that not cause for alarm or curious to you that before I even click the link, I probably know what I am going to see? Before the trial is over, we can predict what will happen? Is it sad that certain locations, we know if a sports team wins/loses, we know there will be looting and riots perpetuated primarily by a certain ethnic group?

No one is that dense to believe it is because of skin color. It has nothing to do with skin color. I would be curious to see a poll of people who think GZ is guilty and reason for believing so broken down by race. I can guarantee you that the black vote would HEAVILY reflect that GZ is guilty, and the other races would be on the fence. Who are the racists there? The ones that vote based on obvious bias, or everyone else? The criminals here are the ones rioting. I do not believe they represent the whole, but one race in particular makes up the vast majority OF the rioters. The bad thing is, no one can openly criticize the rioters without being labeled a racist. We cannot talk openly or ask questions, because asking questions and being curious why the disparity in race participation is racist. Can't we move past that petty bullshiat so we can actually you know, fix the real problem?
 
2013-07-16 10:59:52 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about people on the far left.

FTFY.


So many different factions of white people who differ from the "normals". Lets see:

> poor white trash
> the far left
> the far right
> neo nazis
>  meathead jocks
> fundamentalists
> Tea Partiers
> hippie scum
> yuppie scum
> guidos
> bikers
> anti-government types

When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.
 
2013-07-16 11:03:06 AM

sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked


You actually tried to rhyme 'black' with 'ransacked'? Please review the lessons and try again.
 
2013-07-16 11:04:22 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about people on the far left.

FTFY.

So many different factions of white people who differ from the "normals". Lets see:

> poor white trash
> the far left
> the far right
> neo nazis
>  meathead jocks
> fundamentalists
> Tea Partiers
> hippie scum
> yuppie scum
> guidos
> bikers
> anti-government types

When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.


In protest of this racially charged issue, I suggest Farkers completely trash this thread.

All for the sake of truth and enlightenment of course.
 
2013-07-16 11:05:27 AM
Submitter, you are the worst.
 
2013-07-16 11:06:38 AM

AdamK: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

george zimmerman is white?


No.
 
2013-07-16 11:07:41 AM
It was a bad week for Walmart to run its "Buy a Hoodie, get free bag of Skittles" promotion
 
2013-07-16 11:07:56 AM

ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.


I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.
 
2013-07-16 11:08:53 AM

hitlersbrain: Everybody is a racist. It's just basic biology to be suspicious of people not like you.


Yep. And it's independent of parental influence, as infants under the age of 1 year develop the ability to distinguish one race from another, and even make positive associations with their own race. The obvious flipside is that they are suspicious of those not of their race.
 
2013-07-16 11:10:19 AM

the money is in the banana stand: DROxINxTHExWIND: Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?

I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.

Not skin color, but culture. Unfortunately, one skin color in particular gravitates towards that culture. Please explain to me how and why pretty much everyone knew what "race" would be primarily taking part and leading these riots before it happened? Is that not cause for alarm or curious to you that before I even click the link, I probably know what I am going to see? Before the trial is over, we can predict what will happen? Is it sad that certain locations, we know if a sports team wins/loses, we know there will be looting and riots perpetuated primarily by a certain ethnic group?

No one is that dense to believe it is because of skin color. It has nothing to do with skin color. I would be curious to see a poll of people who think GZ is guilty and reason for believing so broken down by race. I can guarantee you that the black vote would HEAVILY reflect that GZ is guilty, and the other races would be on the fence. Who are the racists there? The ones that vote based on obvious bias, or everyone else? The criminals here are the ones rioting. I do not believe they represent the whole, but one race in particular makes up the vast majority OF the rioters. The bad thing is, no one can openly criticize the rioters without being labeled a racist. We cannot talk openly or ask questions, because asking questions and being curious why the disparity in race participation is racist. Can't we move past that petty bullshiat so we can actually you know, fix the real problem?


The root of the problem is that many in these cultures feel abandoned or hated by the justice system. The justice system, as well as various other services, need to be cleansed of those who have a disposition against minorities, and that would be a good first step. When the justice system begins to, on average, mete out the same verdicts and other things the same regardless of race , class, or social status, we'll start to see better results instead of people getting angry that once again, the justice system has failed yet another member of their population, perceived or not.
 
2013-07-16 11:11:21 AM

Civil_War2_Time: ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.

I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.


You just opened yourself to a devastatingly clever comparison to the Tea Party that will no doubt reveal your racial hatred and far right allegiances.
 
2013-07-16 11:12:04 AM

Civil_War2_Time: ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.

I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-16 11:12:16 AM
The dolphins should have left this planet centuries ago.  The people here are really dumb.
 
2013-07-16 11:15:16 AM

Pichu0102: The root of the problem is that many in these cultures feel abandoned or hated by the justice system. The justice system, as well as various other services, need to be cleansed of those who have a disposition against minorities, and that would be a good first step. When the justice system begins to, on average, mete out the same verdicts and other things the same regardless of race , class, or social status, we'll start to see better results instead of people getting angry that once again, the justice system has failed yet another member of their population, perceived or not.


While I absolutely agree that this should happen, do you really think the people partaking in the riots care fark-all about Trayvon, the trial, or the perceived failure of the justice system? The people protesting, probably so. Those that are protesting absolutely that is why they are there, even if it is a false perception based on emotion and not fact (born of ignorance). The people rioting however I believe see it as a convenient excuse to revert to primal and criminal behavior and get a free pass. I am curious as to why these types of riots occur in the first place and addressing that issue. I don't think it is a perceived failure in the justice system but an inherent bottled up evil that is looking for any convenient excuse or when no one is looking to take action.
 
2013-07-16 11:15:25 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: hitlersbrain: Everybody is a racist. It's just basic biology to be suspicious of people not like you.

Yep. And it's independent of parental influence, as infants under the age of 1 year develop the ability to distinguish one race from another, and even make positive associations with their own race. The obvious flipside is that they are suspicious of those not of their race.


In that case, is it our duty as human beings to consciously, postively compensate for subconscious negative biases we have.
That's one of the things it means to live in civilization with other people who are by default not going to be the same as you, is it not?
 
2013-07-16 11:17:10 AM
Jeez, is everything about race with you people.
 
2013-07-16 11:17:24 AM

super_grass: Civil_War2_Time: ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.

I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.

You just opened yourself to a devastatingly clever comparison to the Tea Party that will no doubt reveal your racial hatred and far right allegiances.


Funny cause I thought the second amendment was there to protect the rights of the citizens to bear arms. And as george proved you also need it for self defence.

the conservative crowd should be in 100% support of these fellows arming up to protect themselves from government tyranny.
 
2013-07-16 11:17:53 AM
JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!
*Punches random person on a bus stop in the face*

JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!
*Tips over car and knocks down Wal-Mart display*
 
2013-07-16 11:18:36 AM

tkwasny: boarch: All blacks are racist.

It's not the color of the skin, it's the culture a group of people choose to lock themselves into. The culture of feeling everyone outside of their "special group" owes them something/everything. It just so happens this "U-O-ME" group happens to be majority black. It might just as easily be all redheads or all females.


Wow! I like that. Sort of like the hillbilly culture which is white! It is this subculture that people trap themselves in.
 
2013-07-16 11:18:56 AM

Civil_War2_Time: ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.

I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.


IIRC, they turned over cars, stole people's personal belongings from the cars, smashed shop windows and looted the displays, and lit lots of stuff on fire.

But if you want assault rifles being carried around, you need go no further than the rednecks and hicks who gather to protest the latest thing Obama did to them. This is Michigan, home of the Michigan Militia and several other small groups of crazies with large guns. We have our share of backwoods white guys showing off weapons, trying to be intimidating.

The Lansing college kids didn't brandish AK-47s, but they were pretty quick to figure out the Molotov cocktails, and it takes a whole crowd of them to flip over cars. There were more than a few rapes reported, too, if I recall. Fratboys see a mob as a chance to drag college girls into alleys and have their way with them, apparently.

So my point stands: Extroverts turn into animals under the right conditions, and they'll run with the herd no matter how deviant the behavior becomes. Guns, flaming bottles of booze, looting, rape... It's all antisocial, violent behavior that is fueled by these large gatherings of idiots.
 
2013-07-16 11:19:35 AM

the money is in the banana stand: DROxINxTHExWIND: Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?

I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.

Not skin color, but culture. Unfortunately, one skin color in particular gravitates towards that culture. Please explain to me how and why pretty much everyone knew what "race" would be primarily taking part and leading these riots before it happened? Is that not cause for alarm or curious to you that before I even click the link, I probably know what I am going to see? Before the trial is over, we can predict what will happen? Is it sad that certain locations, we know if a sports team wins/loses, we know there will be looting and riots perpetuated primarily by a certain ethnic group?

No one is that dense to believe it is because of skin color. It has nothing to do with skin color. I would be curious to see a poll of people who think GZ is guilty and reason for believing so broken down by race. I can guarantee you that the black vote would HEAVILY reflect that GZ is guilty, and the other races would be on the fence. Who are the racists there? The ones that vote based on obvious bias, or everyone else? The criminals here are the ones rioting. I do not believe they represent the whole, but one race in particular makes up the vast majority OF the rioters. The bad thing is, no one can openly criticize the rioters without being labeled a racist. We cannot talk openly or ask questions, because asking questions and being curious why the disparity in race participation is racist. Can't we move past that petty bullshiat so we can actually you know, ...


I was being sarcastic. Yeah, I know that "culture" is the new skin color. And it "just happens" that the culture which is most reprehensible to some of you is considered "black" or African-Amerian culture. I'm sure its coincidental and it has nothing to do with growing up being fed the lie that black people want your meager posessions and your white wife. You question the motives of blacks who distrust a system that has treated us unfairly for generations, but you don't question those who think it is responsible and acceptable to profile an African-American as a criminal, based on your lack of responses to those who say it in these threads. On one hand som of you say, "blacks have committed crimes. Therefore is is reasonable to expect a black person will commit some atrocity against you, if given the opportunity". Now, we can probably agree that the judicial system has historically treated blacks unfairly, but you don't think black people have a right to distrust it? I don't know how you reconcile those two thoughts. Of course a majority of black people will default to that position. Until you've been pulled over for an unsignalled lane change and had the dogs search your car you'll probably never get it.

Who the fark is defending rioting? You all are not commenting on the "rioters", you're making racist generalizations about all black people based on the actions of the rioters. You can't show me one post where I supported violence against anyone. Finally, who gives a fark about some hypothetical poll between races about a verdict? If you polled most white people in 005 they would have told you that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. As a matter of fact, we can blame white people for the Bush years because black people voted overwhelmingly for Gore. So, why should I care what a poll of those people say?
 
2013-07-16 11:20:10 AM
In the far away future times, mothers will scare their children into being good by telling the story not of the bogeyman, but of the...

...ZIMMERMAN!
 
2013-07-16 11:20:10 AM

the money is in the banana stand: Pichu0102: The root of the problem is that many in these cultures feel abandoned or hated by the justice system. The justice system, as well as various other services, need to be cleansed of those who have a disposition against minorities, and that would be a good first step. When the justice system begins to, on average, mete out the same verdicts and other things the same regardless of race , class, or social status, we'll start to see better results instead of people getting angry that once again, the justice system has failed yet another member of their population, perceived or not.

While I absolutely agree that this should happen, do you really think the people partaking in the riots care fark-all about Trayvon, the trial, or the perceived failure of the justice system? The people protesting, probably so. Those that are protesting absolutely that is why they are there, even if it is a false perception based on emotion and not fact (born of ignorance). The people rioting however I believe see it as a convenient excuse to revert to primal and criminal behavior and get a free pass. I am curious as to why these types of riots occur in the first place and addressing that issue. I don't think it is a perceived failure in the justice system but an inherent bottled up evil that is looking for any convenient excuse or when no one is looking to take action.


Opportunism, rage, the bystander effect, and mob mentality are likely contributing factors for violence or nonviolent protestors not stopping violent ones.

From what I've read, the human brain likes to go on auto pilot and go with the flow of others nearby. It takes a lot of effort to stop it from that behavior.
 
2013-07-16 11:20:41 AM

Headso: yahoo news is basically a right wing nutter site at this point, take what they say with a grain of salt.


Not that it matters, but what an idiotic comment.

Here's a link to their current headlines.

http://news.yahoo.com/
 
2013-07-16 11:22:01 AM

I_C_Weener: In the far away future times, mothers will scare their children into being good by telling the story not of the bogeyman, but of the...

...ZIMMERMAN!


One, two, George is coming for you.
Three, four, better lock the door.
Five, six, grab your crucifix.
Seven, eight, try to stay up late.
Nine, ten, never sleep again.
 
2013-07-16 11:25:55 AM

Pichu0102: In that case, is it our duty as human beings to consciously, postively compensate for subconscious negative biases we have.
That's one of the things it means to live in civilization with other people who are by default not going to be the same as you, is it not?


I agree completely. The unfortunate thing is that most parents, either consciously or unconsciously (consciously, in the case of my parents), reinforce our inherent fears associated with race. Which is why my wife and I do go out of our way to teach our two daughters that everyone is the same.

Which goes a long way in explaining why they both have a variety of friends of differing races (our younger daughter is Chinese, a different race than my wife, older daughter, and me), and also why they're already both outspoken on the topic of marriage equality for gays, even at the ages of 12 and 7.
 
2013-07-16 11:29:53 AM
Speaking of "everyone of a certain skin color acts the same way"

I'm going to leave this here

fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-07-16 11:30:29 AM
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
 
2013-07-16 11:30:48 AM
Good to see the community finally protesting all of the black on black violence that is so prevalent in today's society...oh, wait...
 
2013-07-16 11:31:50 AM
Doesn't have to have anything to do with any inherent "racial" characteristics or predispositions. Some cultural milieus are just sh*tty. Also, what a weird incident to spark all this racial angst. Didn't follow too closely but there didn't seem to be any obvious and explicit racist component to the unfortunate incident. Hoodies aren't a protected class. Should have made it an ageist thing: insidious and institutional anti-teenager bias.
 
2013-07-16 11:32:38 AM

ZeroCorpse: Civil_War2_Time: ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.

I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.

IIRC, they turned over cars, stole people's personal belongings from the cars, smashed shop windows and looted the displays, and lit lots of stuff on fire.

But if you want assault rifles being carried around, you need go no further than the rednecks and hicks who gather to protest the latest thing Obama did to them. This is Michigan, home of the Michigan Militia and several other small groups of crazies with large guns. We have our share of backwoods white guys showing off weapons, trying to be intimidating.

The Lansing college kids didn't brandish AK-47s, but they were pretty quick to figure out the Molotov cocktails, and it takes a whole crowd of them to flip over cars. There were more than a few rapes reported, too, if I recall. ...


Great response. I never heard of that stuff happening up there, and that's why I asked. Thanks.
 
2013-07-16 11:33:14 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


'Groes gosta ack up...
 
2013-07-16 11:33:44 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I was being sarcastic. Yeah, I know that "culture" is the new skin color. And it "just happens" that the culture which is most reprehensible to some of you is considered "black" or African-Amerian culture. I'm sure its coincidental and it has nothing to do with growing up being fed the lie that black people want your meager posessions and your white wife. You question the motives of blacks who distrust a system that has treated us unfairly for generations, but you don't question those who think it is responsible and acceptable to profile an African-American as a criminal, based on your lack of responses to those who say it in these threads. On one hand som of you say, "blacks have committed crimes. Therefore is is reasonable to expect a black person will commit some atrocity against you, if given the opportunity". Now, we can probably agree that the judicial system has historically treated blacks unfairly, but you don't think black people have a right to distrust it? I don't know how you reconcile those two thoughts. Of course a majority of black people will default to that position. Until you've been pulled over for an unsignalled lane change and had the dogs search your car you'll probably never get it.

Who the fark is defending rioting? You all are not commenting on the "rioters", you're making racist generalizations about all black people based on the actions of the rioters. You can't show me one post where I supported violence against anyone. Finally, who gives a fark about some hypothetical poll between races about a verdict? If you polled most white people in 005 they would have told you that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. As a matter of fact, we can blame white people for the Bush years because black people voted overwhelmingly for Gore. So, why should I care what a poll of those people say?


Dro, I apologize if it came across that I felt you were defending rioting that isn't the case. While I understand why there would be a bias based upon the historical categorization and treatment of blacks by the judicial system and law enforcement, my question specifically was why a certain ethnic group overwhelmingly constitutes the population of the rioters. Why is it that seemingly every riot, that is the composition? This isn't a question to justify racism or bias, it is a question to try to figure out a way to change that. I think you had a very salient point also with how we identify multiple "white cultures" but broadly refer to it as the "black culture" and grouping everyone together. How then do we break it down to identify the problematic sub cultures so we can effect reform?
 
2013-07-16 11:35:07 AM
The irony here, is that if they keep breaking into stores and assaulting people one of them will get shot, and the shooter will be acquitted.
 
2013-07-16 11:36:03 AM
Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg
 
2013-07-16 11:37:16 AM

animesucks: i saw a bunch of cameras recording pretty much everything, including cell phone cameras.  hopefully these people are caught and punished appropriately


I gave you a funny vote.
 
2013-07-16 11:38:38 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-16 11:38:57 AM
It's awesome that as one of the largest and most diverse nations that has ever existed we let the actions of 0.00004% of the population define the bahvioral characteristics of a certain group of people. It makes thigns so much easier and gives us a chance to feel better about ourselves by giving us some one to feel superior to.
 
2013-07-16 11:41:03 AM

fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg


And not a single one living in the US was a slave in the US.

How far back do we get to go to justify our stupidity today?
 
2013-07-16 11:41:10 AM
What ever side you are on please watch a brilliant man discuss the protests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME
 
2013-07-16 11:41:20 AM
Isn't there a Sublime song that covers this exact situation?
 
2013-07-16 11:41:25 AM

Mentat: Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.


Yes.  The biatch should go to jail.  I note that she was arrested for the assault.  Good.

And the "protesters" who are breaking the law also should be arrested and go to jail.

Is that somehow controversial?
 
2013-07-16 11:41:47 AM

Endive Wombat: Why do we not see Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton on TV condemning this behavior?  You want justice, fine, go about it in a peaceful manner.


Because that's been working soo well.

You message of racial inequality needing to be corrected within the Justice System falls on deaf ears when you lash out in violence, theft, and property destruction.  Being a stereotype is not helping your cause!

I think their point of view is that racial inequality in the justice system won't ever be corrected, so fark it. Frankly I can sympathize.
 
2013-07-16 11:41:59 AM
Pfft. Seen worse with the cop that killed Oscar Grant or even sports victories. At most this will be blown up by the media to be LA Riots 2.0 when they can't even remember how extreme that was.
 
2013-07-16 11:44:40 AM

error 303: It's awesome that as one of the largest and most diverse nations that has ever existed we let the actions of 0.00004% of the population define the bahvioral characteristics of a certain group of people. It makes thigns so much easier and gives us a chance to feel better about ourselves by giving us some one to feel superior to.


The internet's entire response to this event has been all about people trying to force the facts into their own little extremist worldviews.  Left, right, it's all about making the world make sense without actually examining our own beliefs.
 
2013-07-16 11:44:48 AM

bigsteve3OOO: What ever side you are on please watch a brilliant man discuss the protests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME


He's michael5732 on youtube
 
2013-07-16 11:45:16 AM

fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg


So you're ok with them wrecking their own neighborhood?
 
2013-07-16 11:46:52 AM

R.A.Danny: fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg

So you're ok with them wrecking their own neighborhood?


Well, they did enslave each other as well as sell them to whites
 
2013-07-16 11:47:18 AM
Pichu0102:

I agree it's bad.
I'm still going to call out people who act like only one type of people riot.


go ahead, call out all those imaginary people who claim that only "one type of people" riot.

I hope that it makes you happy.

Also, why don't you call out all those people who claim that the majority of rioters are right handed?

Yeah, that will teach them a lesson.
 
2013-07-16 11:48:03 AM

R.A.Danny: fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg

So you're ok with them wrecking their own neighborhood?


It keeps black employment and investment into their neighborhood down. Plus it's a Walmart.

Nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-07-16 11:48:07 AM

the money is in the banana stand: DROxINxTHExWIND: Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?

I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.

Not skin color, but culture. Unfortunately, one skin color in particular gravitates towards that culture. Please explain to me how and why pretty much everyone knew what "race" would be primarily taking part and leading these riots before it happened? Is that not cause for alarm or curious to you that before I even click the link, I probably know what I am going to see? Before the trial is over, we can predict what will happen? Is it sad that certain locations, we know if a sports team wins/loses, we know there will be looting and riots perpetuated primarily by a certain ethnic group?

No one is that dense to believe it is because of skin color. It has nothing to do with skin color. I would be curious to see a poll of people who think GZ is guilty and reason for believing so broken down by race. I can guarantee you that the black vote would HEAVILY reflect that GZ is guilty, and the other races would be on the fence. Who are the racists there? The ones that vote based on obvious bias, or everyone else? The criminals here are the ones rioting. I do not believe they represent the whole, but one race in particular makes up the vast majority OF the rioters. The bad thing is, no one can openly criticize the rioters without being labeled a racist. We cannot talk openly or ask questions, because asking questions and being curious why the disparity in race participation is racist. Can't we move past that petty bullshiat so we can actually you know, fix the real problem?


This is why I have you farkied as "sane on race."
 
2013-07-16 11:48:41 AM

the money is in the banana stand: Dro, I apologize if it came across that I felt you were defending rioting that isn't the case. While I understand why there would be a bias based upon the historical categorization and treatment of blacks by the judicial system and law enforcement, my question specifically was why a certain ethnic group overwhelmingly constitutes the population of the rioters. Why is it that seemingly every riot, that is the composition? This isn't a question to justify racism or bias, it is a question to try to figure out a way to change that. I think you had a very salient point also with how we identify multiple "white cultures" but broadly refer to it as the "black culture" and grouping everyone together. How then do we break it down to identify the problematic sub cultures so we can effect reform?


See, here's where the problem comes in. White people at Penn State started a riot to protest the firing of a coach who turned a blind eye to pedophilia. Where were all of the posts criticizing "white culture"? White people rioted in Vancouver over a hockey loss. White people riot every year at the G8 Summit. White people riot in college towns ANNUALLY. These are college educated white people who are acting like savages for no apparent reason. No one attributes their behavior to "white culture". But, you can take 2 riots in 20 years where black people were protesting percieved social injustice and question why its always blacks rioting?

We don't need to break down black people into sub-cultures. The only reason that white people do it is so that they can have someone else to look down on. Oh, those people? They're "white trash", that's why they act the way they do. The implication is that they are a seperate species than the person labelling them and therefore they are inferior. We don't need more seperation in society. The key is to treat people like individuals. If some person, black, white, or purple wants to act like an ass then he or she should be called out on it by all of us.
 
2013-07-16 11:48:53 AM

RidersOfLohan: bigsteve3OOO: What ever side you are on please watch a brilliant man discuss the protests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

He's michael5732 on youtube


I like him.  Never heard of him till yesterday.  I am impressed with the depth of his observations and thought.
 
2013-07-16 11:50:49 AM
boarch: Are you farking kidding me? Why are they being called "Protesters" throughout the media? Clearly, once they pass the peaceful protest stage they are rioters terrorists

FTFY
 
2013-07-16 11:52:52 AM

Ker_Thwap: error 303: It's awesome that as one of the largest and most diverse nations that has ever existed we let the actions of 0.00004% of the population define the bahvioral characteristics of a certain group of people. It makes thigns so much easier and gives us a chance to feel better about ourselves by giving us some one to feel superior to.

The internet's entire response to this event has been all about people trying to force the facts into their own little extremist worldviews.  Left, right, it's all about making the world make sense without actually examining our own beliefs.


Agreed. Unforunate but not unsurprising. Hell, I'm just trying to find a way to feel morally superior to both sides.
 
2013-07-16 11:53:00 AM

R.A.Danny: fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg

So you're ok with them wrecking their own neighborhood?


Just so long as it's not his.
 
2013-07-16 11:54:23 AM
Do it for Treyvon.
 
2013-07-16 11:55:37 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: We don't need more seperation in society.


Agreed

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
 
2013-07-16 11:58:30 AM

Mentat: Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.


Sure, she should do a few months in prison.  I also like that it appears she took a nice ass-kicking before she was arrested.

Can we get back to talking about the people in Oakland that hit the waiter in the head with a hammer while he was protecting his restaurant?  Or the animals robbing the Wal-Mart in L.A.?
 
2013-07-16 12:00:17 PM

Mentat: Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.


I think she's kind of done and due for prison just by the video alone. If she got off by a shiatty claim by a lawyer...then maybe.
 
2013-07-16 12:00:31 PM

SunsetLament: Mentat: Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.

Sure, she should do a few months in prison.  I also like that it appears she took a nice ass-kicking before she was arrested.

Can we get back to talking about the people in Oakland that hit the waiter in the head with a hammer while he was protecting his restaurant?  Or the animals robbing the Wal-Mart in L.A.?


No.

Two wrongs make a right.
 
2013-07-16 12:01:42 PM

Joe Blowme: DROxINxTHExWIND: We don't need more seperation in society.

Agreed

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.


Your jib....the cut.....I like it.
 
2013-07-16 12:02:00 PM

super_grass: Civil_War2_Time: ZeroCorpse: Having lived in Lansing, I've watched hordes of lily-white middle-class college students riot and trash their own town over something as stupid as a football game, so I really don't buy the whole idea that this is a racial tendency. It's herd mentality. It's mob mentality. People (mostly you filthy extroverts) get in big crowds, and suddenly you surrender the ability to think for yourself and you do whatever the crowd is doing.

This isn't a Black/White thing. This is an extrovert/introvert thing. There were plenty of African American introverts who didn't join the mob, didn't loot or pillage, and instead stayed home and watched a movie, cooked some dinner, and maybe hugged their family.

I have an honest question for you...

Did those people show up with assault rifles like last night? Or, did they just burn some couches and break a few windows?

I was listening to the police feed last night, and "eight black males with AK-47's and M-16's at Crenshaw and MLK." Also, "12 black and Hispanic males with assault rifles, use of force is authorized, and the 'Rammer Van' is good to go" in that same area.

Mob mentality is one thing, but showing up with assault rifles and AK-47's and M-16's is completely different.

You just opened yourself to a devastatingly clever comparison to the Tea Party that will no doubt reveal your racial hatred and far right allegiances.


The difference, of course, being that when people show up to a Tea Party rally with guns, they aren't using them in the commission of violent felonies ... while here in Crenshaw last night, the guns were used in furtherance of committing crimes.  It's a teensy-weensy difference you forgot.
 
2013-07-16 12:02:22 PM

R.A.Danny: fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

imokwithis.jpg

So you're ok with them wrecking their own neighborhood?


Better theirs than mine.
 
2013-07-16 12:03:28 PM
you suck.
 
2013-07-16 12:04:39 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Speaking of "everyone of a certain skin color acts the same way"



Oh hey!  Look at Tat'dGreaser arguing with exactly no one in the thread.
 
2013-07-16 12:04:51 PM

super_grass: SunsetLament: Mentat: Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.

Sure, she should do a few months in prison.  I also like that it appears she took a nice ass-kicking before she was arrested.

Can we get back to talking about the people in Oakland that hit the waiter in the head with a hammer while he was protecting his restaurant?  Or the animals robbing the Wal-Mart in L.A.?

No.

Two wrongs make a right.


And three rights make a left.

/You should know by now that we're supposed to just follow along with what the media presents to us as the truth.  Everything else is not that important.  Move along, citizen...
 
2013-07-16 12:09:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: See, here's where the problem comes in. White people at Penn State started a riot to protest the firing of a coach who turned a blind eye to pedophilia. Where were all of the posts criticizing "white culture"? White people rioted in Vancouver over a hockey loss. White people riot every year at the G8 Summit. White people riot in college towns ANNUALLY. These are college educated white people who are acting like savages for no apparent reason. No one attributes their behavior to "white culture". But, you can take 2 riots in 20 years where black people were protesting percieved social injustice and question why its always blacks rioting?

We don't need to break down black people into sub-cultures. The only reason that white people do it is so that they can have someone else to look down on. Oh, those people? They're "white trash", that's why they act the way they do. The implication is that they are a seperate species than the person labelling them and therefore they are inferior. We don't need more seperation in society. The key is to treat people like individuals. If some person, black, white, or purple wants to act like an ass then he or she should be called out on it by all of us.


Rioting in any form is inexcusable. Protesting, is far different than rioting - even when the protesting escalates to "angry crowds". Rioting, implies vandalism, destruction of property and physical violence. These are not byproducts of the mob, but the GOAL of the mob. They are not upset as a perceived social injustice, they want free shiat and a free pass to commit crimes in the name of "injustice". I don't feel you are defending this, so I am not criticizing you here. My problem specifically is with those individuals that comprise the rioters.

Further, separation can be a GOOD thing. The reason why "whites" have created these labels is so that they can remove themselves and identify with a group of people that is not generally viewed as "bad". The problem we are seeing right now is that with the "black culture" since the idea is to not remove yourself from this sort of behavior but instead proudly identify with it because it is one of "your people", you are lumped into the group of misfits. We do treat people as individuals up until the point they identify themselves either by admission or action as part of a group. When you identify with that group, be prepared then to be judged based upon the actions of that group and not as an individual.

This is why specifically our political system is so farking chaotic because you are identified as either a Conservative or Liberal, despite your own individual beliefs. The reason why this exists is because we have a two party system. If instead we had more separation, we would be categorized more accurately. You see, because I identify with some conservative economics, I would be (wrongly) identified as a Republican, which then is misinterpreted to mean I am also a Tea Partier. It does not matter that I identify with Liberal politics for almost all social issues such as equality of marriage. My individuality will never be taken into account unless we have more recognized legitimate parties and that is just the way of the world.
 
2013-07-16 12:12:19 PM

Pichu0102: The root of the problem is that many in these cultures feel abandoned or hated by the justice system. The justice system, as well as various other services, need to be cleansed of those who have a disposition against minorities, and that would be a good first step.


That might sound good in theory, but the first time someone says the justice system is still racist after that, it won't matter.  This is a cultural problem, but you are looking to the wrong side of this for the fix.  Race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have a lot more to do with these perceived problems than a handful of judges.

/Not that I have a problem with booting all judges.
//Perhaps some fresh blood would bring about some people who have some respect for the institution.
 
2013-07-16 12:14:11 PM

Mr. Breeze: Isn't there a Sublime song that covers this exact situation?


April 29th, 1992. Damn good song. Not that big of a Sublime fan, but

Dre had something similar on The Chronic, the aptly titled "The Day the nubianz Took Over".
 
2013-07-16 12:25:13 PM

vonster: Your jib....the cut.....I like it.


See: Roosevelt, Theodore
 
2013-07-16 12:25:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Pichu0102:

I agree it's bad.
I'm still going to call out people who act like only one type of people riot.

go ahead, call out all those imaginary people who claim that only "one type of people" riot.

I hope that it makes you happy.

Also, why don't you call out all those people who claim that the majority of rioters are right handed?


Yeah, that will teach them a lesson.



Well, that was a left-handed comment.
 
2013-07-16 12:26:51 PM

Joe Blowme: BitwiseShift: Probably driven crazy by non-stop FOX News whining about the lack of violence, needing to leave the house, and hoping that a new TV would have Netflix so they could chill out.

Finding that TeaParty agents provocateur had already broken doors and were aquiring the finer stock taking advantage of people just needing to be around people instead of incessant propaganda and electronic attention whores.

They dont look like the fox news type


Oh, that's right.  I forgot.  Someone on fark once said that if you are not white and not rich and belong to the republican party then you are a fool.  Except with less pretty language.
 
2013-07-16 12:27:03 PM

boarch: All blacks are racist.


Mods are even more racist... Deleting my bites and editing my posts. WTF has fark come to....
 
2013-07-16 12:28:10 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: tricycleracer: [cdn.bleacherreport.net image 313x400]
[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 350x258]
[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 350x226]

Oh, wait.  These are white people celebrating sports victories.

which supports the stereotype of the rabid sports fan.


Or British soccer fan.
 
2013-07-16 12:31:21 PM

the money is in the banana stand: DROxINxTHExWIND: Tat'dGreaser: Pichu0102: So when are we going to call out all the white sports fans for when sports riots start, property damage is far higher, and people actually start dying?

Oh.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that was a good thing

Can we all just agree that anyone who acts like this is bad?

I think the issue is that the Weenersor and some after have suggested that the people were violent because their skin color has some effect on their disposition. That is what I believe Pinchu is reffering too.

Not skin color, but culture. Unfortunately, one skin color in particular gravitates towards that culture. Please explain to me how and why pretty much everyone knew what "race" would be primarily taking part and leading these riots before it happened? Is that not cause for alarm or curious to you that before I even click the link, I probably know what I am going to see? Before the trial is over, we can predict what will happen? Is it sad that certain locations, we know if a sports team wins/loses, we know there will be looting and riots perpetuated primarily by a certain ethnic group?

No one is that dense to believe it is because of skin color. It has nothing to do with skin color. I would be curious to see a poll of people who think GZ is guilty and reason for believing so broken down by race. I can guarantee you that the black vote would HEAVILY reflect that GZ is guilty, and the other races would be on the fence. Who are the racists there? The ones that vote based on obvious bias, or everyone else? The criminals here are the ones rioting. I do not believe they represent the whole, but one race in particular makes up the vast majority OF the rioters. The bad thing is, no one can openly criticize the rioters without being labeled a racist. We cannot talk openly or ask questions, because asking questions and being curious why the disparity in race participation is racist. Can't we move past that petty bullshiat so we can actually you know, ...


This is what racism looks like.
 
2013-07-16 12:36:52 PM
the money is in the banana stand:Further, separation can be a GOOD thing. The reason why "whites" have created these labels is so that they can remove themselves and identify with a group of people that is not generally viewed as "bad". The problem we are seeing right now is that with the "black culture" since the idea is to not remove yourself from this sort of behavior but instead proudly identify with it because it is one of "your people", you are lumped into the group of misfits. We do treat people as individuals up until the point they identify themselves either by admission or action as part of a group. When you identify with that group, be prepared then to be judged based upon the actions of that group and not as an individual.

So, black criminals are going around shouting "black power" before the rob a liqour store to identify with a culture? What "action" would someone take to be considered part of black culture?

Also, do you think its racist to assume that those who celebrate African-American culture are celebrating lawlessness? I don't even think you understand the implications of your statement. You are suggesting that black people need to seperate themselves from "black culture" in order to gain mainstream acceptance. You have labelled lack culture as inherently bad. But, white culture is apparently "good" and it is cleansed by removing the undesireables from the culture by calling them something else. Why should I be punished because "bad" people who are black do not have a label that seperates them from taxpaying, law-abiding African-Americans? Also, I didn't "choose" to be black, I was born this way. My skin color is not a culture.


/Didn't mean to censor anything you posted. I just re-posted the portion that I am respondoing too.
 
2013-07-16 12:38:18 PM
Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?
 
2013-07-16 12:44:37 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: vonster: Your jib....the cut.....I like it.

See: Roosevelt, Theodore


oldie but goodie
 
2013-07-16 12:48:28 PM

Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?


That was obviously back on black crime, so no witnesses will ever come forward.
 
2013-07-16 12:48:45 PM

Mentat: Can we expect the same outrage for a white woman knocking down a 73 year old man for singing a tribute to Trayvon?

Why yes, there is video.


I don't know, can we expect the same outrage for the Hispanic man in Baltimore beaten by a mob of black yutes screaming "this is for Trayvon?"

What about the outrage for the white man in Mississippi?
 
2013-07-16 12:50:50 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: the money is in the banana stand:Further, separation can be a GOOD thing. The reason why "whites" have created these labels is so that they can remove themselves and identify with a group of people that is not generally viewed as "bad". The problem we are seeing right now is that with the "black culture" since the idea is to not remove yourself from this sort of behavior but instead proudly identify with it because it is one of "your people", you are lumped into the group of misfits. We do treat people as individuals up until the point they identify themselves either by admission or action as part of a group. When you identify with that group, be prepared then to be judged based upon the actions of that group and not as an individual.

So, black criminals are going around shouting "black power" before the rob a liqour store to identify with a culture? What "action" would someone take to be considered part of black culture?

Also, do you think its racist to assume that those who celebrate African-American culture are celebrating lawlessness? I don't even think you understand the implications of your statement. You are suggesting that black people need to seperate themselves from "black culture" in order to gain mainstream acceptance. You have labelled lack culture as inherently bad. But, white culture is apparently "good" and it is cleansed by removing the undesireables from the culture by calling them something else. Why should I be punished because "bad" people who are black do not have a label that seperates them from taxpaying, law-abiding African-Americans? Also, I didn't "choose" to be black, I was born this way. My skin color is not a culture.


/Didn't mean to censor anything you posted. I just re-posted the portion that I am respondoing too.


maybe he meant thug or gansta rap culture. Where people who help the police are "rats" and its cool to say n word all time and sing about killing cops, you know the only group we can lump all together as dirty bastards and get away without being called racists...  and republicans and conservatives.

/snitches get stitches
//not all AA either
 
2013-07-16 12:51:21 PM
Remember all the riots when O.J got off? Good times. Got me a new TV.
 
2013-07-16 12:52:15 PM

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: sendtodave: July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
There was a riot in the streets, it was pretty routine
Some white guy got acquitted for shooting a black
And so now Wal-Mart is getting ransacked

The rhyme of BLACK and RANSACKED hurts my ears

July Sixteenth, Two Thousand Thirteen
A riot in the street, t'was pretty routine
Some guy got acquitted for shooting a attractive and successful African-American

Now Walmart is looted with Vigor?
 
2013-07-16 12:52:21 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about people on the far left.

FTFY.

So many different factions of white people who differ from the "normals". Lets see:

> poor white trash
> the far left
> the far right
> neo nazis
>  meathead jocks
> fundamentalists
> Tea Partiers
> hippie scum
> yuppie scum
> guidos
> bikers
> anti-government types

When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.


Which is because black people in the USA are a minority or "the other", whites are the majority, so whenever whitey wants to complain about another group of whites they have to find a way to mark them as a minority or other too.   This is not an inherently white trait though, it exists everywhere in the world, humans are universally good at finding ways to identify the other when we want to hate/oppress/kill/ someone.  In India they still have the caste system running socially if not legally, the Irish still hate one another over following the wrong version of Jesus, most of the Middle Eastern Arabs hate along the shiate/Sunni divide even more than they hate the Jews or the Great Satan of America, China has 56 different ethnicities, who were all represented by the good looking/respectable/dominant Han ethnicity at the Olympic games because they didn't want to have ugly children on parade. 

So black people are lumped together as a homogenous whole because it is easy to do because they are not the dominant or majority group within the USA, and the only change if they were is that white people would lose all the extra labels, and the blacks would then use against each other.  Not that they don't already identify others within their group for example the Black People vs N-persons sketch of Chris Rock (no I don't learn all my sociology from comedians, but it is an easy to reference and widely known example)

There is only one generalisation/stereotype that I have found to always be true about the people it describes:
Humans hate.

I am not saying that is an inherently good thing, but it is an inherently true thing and it is true everywhere and will never change, not in out lifetimes, or that of our great-great-great grandkids.  There is only one way anyone can ever avoid discrimination or being regarded as The Other; move to a country where they are identified as part of the dominant majority.
 
2013-07-16 12:54:35 PM
It's the simple ones that make me laugh the hardest.

/well done subby
 
2013-07-16 12:56:44 PM

Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?


It stings a lot less when black people are held back by people of their own race.
 
2013-07-16 12:59:28 PM

Greymalkin: so whenever whitey wants to complain


nope, not racist at all.
 
2013-07-16 01:01:43 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: the money is in the banana stand:Further, separation can be a GOOD thing. The reason why "whites" have created these labels is so that they can remove themselves and identify with a group of people that is not generally viewed as "bad". The problem we are seeing right now is that with the "black culture" since the idea is to not remove yourself from this sort of behavior but instead proudly identify with it because it is one of "your people", you are lumped into the group of misfits. We do treat people as individuals up until the point they identify themselves either by admission or action as part of a group. When you identify with that group, be prepared then to be judged based upon the actions of that group and not as an individual.

So, black criminals are going around shouting "black power" before the rob a liqour store to identify with a culture? What "action" would someone take to be considered part of black culture?

Also, do you think its racist to assume that those who celebrate African-American culture are celebrating lawlessness? I don't even think you understand the implications of your statement. You are suggesting that black people need to seperate themselves from "black culture" in order to gain mainstream acceptance. You have labelled lack culture as inherently bad. But, white culture is apparently "good" and it is cleansed by removing the undesireables from the culture by calling them something else. Why should I be punished because "bad" people who are black do not have a label that seperates them from taxpaying, law-abiding African-Americans? Also, I didn't "choose" to be black, I was born this way. My skin color is not a culture.


/Didn't mean to censor anything you posted. I just re-posted the portion that I am respondoing too.


I don't think they are going around yelling black power. The problem is that you are automatically identified with the "black culture" because there are no sub-cultures that are defined.

I don't believe celebrating African-American culture is celebrating lawlessness. I think African-American culture needs to be defined better. I further do not believe black culture to be inherently bad and white culture to be inherently good. The only reason why I refer to it as black culture, is because there are no sub-cultures in which we can categorize individuals to belong to. Therefore, unfortunately, the most negative elements will represent the whole. This is true of any group, which was my point on political parties. The same can be used to describe for example religious groups, which is unfortunate but just how it works. In order for that outward perception to change, the core group has to actively distance itself from the bad elements.
 
2013-07-16 01:06:07 PM

the money is in the banana stand: The problem is that you are automatically identified with the "black culture" because there are no sub-cultures that are defined.


There is one, Uncle Toms

"American popular culture has always had a tendency to romanticize hoodlums, whether Al Capone, Bonnie and Clyde or Tony Soprano. But the hip-hop world's celebration of savage violence, educational failure and misogyny by gangsta rap has been one of the worst influences on American youth, especially black youth, in decades. If you want to ruin a nation, a society or an ethnic group, persuade its members that the highest form of achievement lies in criminality.

Read more: http://www.appeal-democrat.com/articles/culture-63509-thug-american.ht ml#ixzz2ZEGZ4x3d">http://www.appeal-democrat.com/articles/culture-635 09-thug-american.ht ml#ixzz2ZEGZ4x3d
 
2013-07-16 01:07:51 PM

Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?


Like your ass cares about inner-city children.  Way to deflect, yet again.  I swear, you all think that black people must have Al or Jesse on our speeddials or something. shiat, 95% of the people invoking their names are white conservatives going into their biatch fits about "reverse racism", "why can't I say the n-word", etc. etc.  And gangsta rap culture? As if it's any different from these rednecks in GA or guidos in NJ, but you'll defend those types to hell and back for some white solidarity.
 
2013-07-16 01:09:48 PM
What a great thread. Seriously, there is much wisdom floating around right now if you pay attention. And quite a few funnys, too.


DROxINxTHExWIND: Where were all of the posts criticizing "white culture"?



Lets have a couple of beers, and I'll give you a serious earful.
 
2013-07-16 01:12:53 PM

the money is in the banana stand: I don't think they are going around yelling black power. The problem is that you are automatically identified with the "black culture" because there are no sub-cultures that are defined.

I don't believe celebrating African-American culture is celebrating lawlessness. I think African-American culture needs to be defined better. I further do not believe black culture to be inherently bad and white culture to be inherently good. The only reason why I refer to it as black culture, is because there are no sub-cultures in which we can categorize individuals to belong to. Therefore, unfortunately, the most negative elements will represent the whole. This is true of any group, which was my point on political parties. The same can be used to describe for example religious groups, which is unfortunate but just how it works. In order for that outward perception to change, the core group has to actively distance itself from the bad elements.



I think that might be the best explanation/justfication for stereotyping that I've ever seen. That makes sense.
 
2013-07-16 01:13:08 PM
I would have followed the protestors until one of them turned around to ask me what I was doing, and then I would have shot that person.
 
2013-07-16 01:14:05 PM
So what is the endgame?  When do these people go home?
 
2013-07-16 01:15:38 PM
"Hey, I'm in a group that's different and separate from you. Don't pretend to understand me or my life experience, because you can't.
But don't you DARE make any comment that infers my group is different or separate, you racist!"
 
2013-07-16 01:17:21 PM

JAGChem82: Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?

Like your ass cares about inner-city children.  Way to deflect, yet again.  I swear, you all think that black people must have Al or Jesse on our speeddials or something. shiat, 95% of the people invoking their names are white conservatives going into their biatch fits about "reverse racism", "why can't I say the n-word", etc. etc.  And gangsta rap culture? As if it's any different from these rednecks in GA or guidos in NJ, but you'll defend those types to hell and back for some white solidarity.



I work with inner city youth asshat, so yea i dont care. So instead of agreeing there is a problem you deflect with the tried and true.." BUT MOMMY!! BILLIY DOES IT TOO!!!!" sounds alot like but BUSH!!!
and it would appear the only racist here is you, as you are the one using epithets'. Keep ignoring it, that will make everything better.
 
2013-07-16 01:19:01 PM

Greymalkin: There is only one generalisation/stereotype that I have found to always be true about the people it describes:

Humans hate.


Fu(king concise.
 
2013-07-16 01:21:29 PM

Greymalkin: DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about people on the far left.

FTFY.

So many different factions of white people who differ from the "normals". Lets see:

> poor white trash
> the far left
> the far right
> neo nazis
>  meathead jocks
> fundamentalists
> Tea Partiers
> hippie scum
> yuppie scum
> guidos
> bikers
> anti-government types

When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.

Which is because black people in the USA are a minority or "the other", whites are the majority, so whenever whitey wants to complain about another group of whites they have to find a way to mark them as a minority or other too.   This is not an inherently white trait though, it exists everywhere in the world, humans are universally good at finding ways to identify the other when we want to hate/oppress/kill/ someone.  In India they still have the caste system running socially if not legally, the Irish still hate one another over following the wrong version of Jesus, most of the Middle Eastern Arabs hate along the shiate/Sunni divide even more than they hate the Jews or the Great Satan of America, China has 56 different ethnicities, who were all represented by the good looking/respectable/dominant Han ethnicity at the Olympic games because they didn't want to have ugly children on parade.

So black people are lumped together as a homogenous whole because it is easy to do because they are not the dominant or majority group within the USA, and the only change if they were is that white people would lose a ...


I can see where you're going with this, so I'll respond to you in your response to DRO.  Is their a subset of blacks in America who pride themselves on thuggery? Sure is, I'm not going to deny it, I lived near it in St. Louis and Memphis as a kid and a teen.  But I think what DRO's point is is that, there are blacks who like theatre, science fiction, etc. My parents grew of age in the late 60s early 70s, and they were "saggin" or being gangstaish, or anything like that. Hell, there's a black nerd culture that's probably stronger than the ghetto culture, although you'd never hear it from the media.  Also, to reiterate, if all 40 million black people can be castigated because of a handful of "ignorant Negroes", then we should rip all 210 million white people for the same actions (which have historically negatively affected black people a hell of a lot more) than ours have.

I'm not saying that you are participating in this thought process, but quite a few keyboard racists on Fark have, and they want to deny everything they said once someone calls them out.
 
2013-07-16 01:22:57 PM

Bad Man Jose: So what is the endgame?  When do these people go home?


When they have passed out from the stolen booze
 
2013-07-16 01:23:13 PM
cbschicago.files.wordpress.com

It is in Chicago right mr pastor of this chicago church

/nice kkk in the spelling
//racist farkwads
 
2013-07-16 01:25:28 PM
i1290.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-16 01:29:09 PM

Joe Blowme: JAGChem82: Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?

Like your ass cares about inner-city children.  Way to deflect, yet again.  I swear, you all think that black people must have Al or Jesse on our speeddials or something. shiat, 95% of the people invoking their names are white conservatives going into their biatch fits about "reverse racism", "why can't I say the n-word", etc. etc.  And gangsta rap culture? As if it's any different from these rednecks in GA or guidos in NJ, but you'll defend those types to hell and back for some white solidarity.


I work with inner city youth asshat, so yea i dont care. So instead of agreeing there is a problem you deflect with the tried and true.." BUT MOMMY!! BILLIY DOES IT TOO!!!!" sounds alot like but BUSH!!!
and it would appear the only racist here is you, as you are the one using epithets'. Keep ignoring it, that will make everything better.


Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.
 
2013-07-16 01:29:25 PM
I know just what to do with this! Public hangings, aired on primetime TV.

/beats the hell out of everything else on
 
2013-07-16 01:30:54 PM

doubled99: "Hey, I'm in a group that's different and separate from you. Don't pretend to understand me or my life experience, because you can't.
But don't you DARE make any comment that infers my group is different or separate, you racist!"


IMPOSSIBLE.

A speaker can only imply. It is up to the listener to infer.
 
2013-07-16 01:31:46 PM

Vector R: I know just what to do with this! Public hangings, aired on primetime TV.

/beats the hell out of everything else on


"Would you like to know more?"
 
2013-07-16 01:33:59 PM
 Pangea"Hey, I'm in a group that's different and separate from you. Don't pretend to understand me or my life experience, because you can't.
But don't you DARE make any comment that infers my group is different or separate, you racist!"

IMPOSSIBLE.

A speaker can only imply. It is up to the listener to infer.



you son of a biatch
 
2013-07-16 01:37:48 PM

JAGChem82: Joe Blowme: JAGChem82: Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?

Like your ass cares about inner-city children.  Way to deflect, yet again.  I swear, you all think that black people must have Al or Jesse on our speeddials or something. shiat, 95% of the people invoking their names are white conservatives going into their biatch fits about "reverse racism", "why can't I say the n-word", etc. etc.  And gangsta rap culture? As if it's any different from these rednecks in GA or guidos in NJ, but you'll defend those types to hell and back for some white solidarity.


I work with inner city youth asshat, so yea i dont care. So instead of agreeing there is a problem you deflect with the tried and true.." BUT MOMMY!! BILLIY DOES IT TOO!!!!" sounds alot like but BUSH!!!
and it would appear the only racist here is you, as you are the one using epithets'. Keep ignoring it, that will make everything better.

Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.



Why is it not the same? Who are you you to decide?
I did not defend anyone you accuse me of defending, but keep farking that chicken if it makes you feel better about being a racist asshat. There is nothing funny about working with them, its actualy sad when they tell me what their peer groups and care givers say about other people who are not black... lets just say its not only old white people who say vile racist shiat and i am starting to think todays generation hate hispanics more than whites... albeit this is just from personal experience but is that not the way our world view is shaped? Personal experiences?
 
2013-07-16 01:41:56 PM
At least some people are taking a break from the rioting to make an honest buck

i1231.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-16 01:44:21 PM
Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.

It's always great when someone says something so stupid and self-defeating there is no need to mock it.
 
2013-07-16 01:44:44 PM
Wonder how many of the looters were white.
 
2013-07-16 01:48:14 PM
So, a little test marketing here - would you or would you not, at this point in time, buy this new brand of Trayvon Snack Crackers?
 
2013-07-16 01:51:34 PM

JAGChem82: Greymalkin: DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.

I guess the G8 Summit should tell us something about people on the far left.

FTFY.

So many different factions of white people who differ from the "normals". Lets see:

> poor white trash
> the far left
> the far right
> neo nazis
>  meathead jocks
> fundamentalists
> Tea Partiers
> hippie scum
> yuppie scum
> guidos
> bikers
> anti-government types

When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.

Which is because black people in the USA are a minority or "the other", whites are the majority, so whenever whitey wants to complain about another group of whites they have to find a way to mark them as a minority or other too.   This is not an inherently white trait though, it exists everywhere in the world, humans are universally good at finding ways to identify the other when we want to hate/oppress/kill/ someone.  In India they still have the caste system running socially if not legally, the Irish still hate one another over following the wrong version of Jesus, most of the Middle Eastern Arabs hate along the shiate/Sunni divide even more than they hate the Jews or the Great Satan of America, China has 56 different ethnicities, who were all represented by the good looking/respectable/dominant Han ethnicity at the Olympic games because they didn't want to have ugly children on parade.

So black people are lumped together as a homogenous whole because it is easy to do because they are not the dominant or majority group within the USA, and the only change if they were is that white people would lose a ...


I can see where you're going with this, so I'll respond to you in your response to DRO.  Is their a subset of blacks in America who pride themselves on thuggery? Sure is, I'm not going to deny it, I lived near it in St. Louis and Memphis as a kid and a teen.  But I think what DRO's point is is that, there are blacks who like theatre, science fiction, etc. My parents grew of age in the late 60s early 70s, and they were "saggin" or being gangstaish, or anything like that. Hell, there's a black nerd culture that's probably stronger than the ghetto culture, although you'd never hear it from the media.  Also, to reiterate, if all 40 million black people can be castigated because of a handful of "ignorant Negroes", then we should rip all 210 million white people for the same actions (which have historically negatively affected black people a hell of a lot more) than ours have.

I'm not saying that you are participating in this thought process, but quite a few keyboard racists on Fark have, and they want to deny everything they said once someone calls them out. ...


Or throw out the race baiter label which I've noticed is only thrown at one side but never the other, even when the other side started doing it first. People making negative comments about black people are never given that label, but let anyone comment about that and they get the label thrown on them.  There have been plenty of race baiters on the pro-Zimmerman team, but they don't get that label.
 
2013-07-16 01:52:48 PM

doubled99: Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.

It's always great when someone says something so stupid and self-defeating there is no need to mock it.


What was stupid about it? Are those universal slurs for white people the same way the N-word is used? They aren't? So what the hell are you biatching about me saying them for? Last time I checked, those words were used ubiquitously in TV and other social media.
 
2013-07-16 02:00:09 PM

JAGChem82: doubled99: Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.

It's always great when someone says something so stupid and self-defeating there is no need to mock it.

What was stupid about it? Are those universal slurs for white people the same way the N-word is used? They aren't? So what the hell are you biatching about me saying them for? Last time I checked, those words were used ubiquitously in TV and other social media.


This just in, derogatory remarks are derogatory. To say that there is somehow a scale of power for derogatory remarks gives power to those words, which is precisely the problem. If all derogatory remarks were viewed simply as derogatory and on par with one another, that would solve a lot of problems. Because we have given more weight to some rather than others perpetuates the problem. If people didn't let words affect them and taught that words have no power over you and to rise above it, the foolish person is the one using those remarks. Resorting in violence is not the solution. This is a BASIC principle taught to kids and we even have jingle for it - "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

So to answer your question, those slurs have the same exact intent the use of the N-word does. It primarily has to do with context to judge intent. The usage of derogatory language especially as a means to hurt the person(s) in question should not be acceptable, but at the same time the targets of those words should understand that they are in fact just words spoken by small-minded individuals. Knowing that and that alone, should make them feel better.
 
2013-07-16 02:01:14 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: But, white culture is apparently "good" and it is cleansed by removing the undesireables from the culture by calling them something else



Absolutely, by saying, "those people are white trash," we've publically denounced them and removed them from our responsibility. We don't like them, we don't claim them. And you can do the same thing, and you probably should.


The impression among the "wider culture" (ie. white people) is that the average black guy is more than willing to defend the actions of almost any black person as long as non-black people are involved somewhere.


I'm not saying that you guys all need to start wearing Land's End sweaters all the time, but publically making distinctions between yourselves and the "less lawful" elements in your culture might go a long way toward improving relations. Two way street and all.
 
2013-07-16 02:08:43 PM

JAGChem82: doubled99: Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.

It's always great when someone says something so stupid and self-defeating there is no need to mock it.

What was stupid about it? Are those universal slurs for white people the same way the N-word is used? They aren't? So what the hell are you biatching about me saying them for? Last time I checked, those words were used ubiquitously in TV and other social media.


so if they say it on tv, facebook, and in songs then its ok to say? be sure to let the DOJ know we can all now say nword and not be racist

/willfully obtuse? Trolling? or just plain stupid... you decide
 
2013-07-16 02:12:45 PM
Lol at people who are mad that they can't beat the shiat out of neighborhood watchmen without consequence.
 
2013-07-16 02:14:16 PM
I feel bad that the Martin family lost their son.  That being said, dont just sit there in silence watching all this protesting and rioting knowing full well that your son was a disrespectful troubled piece of shiat.
 
2013-07-16 02:20:56 PM

Magnanimous_J: Absolutely, by saying, "those people are white trash," we've publically denounced them and removed them from our responsibility. We don't like them, we don't claim them. And you can do the same thing, and you probably should.


Like my wife said, "Trash comes in all colors."
 
2013-07-16 02:21:45 PM

Magnanimous_J: DROxINxTHExWIND: But, white culture is apparently "good" and it is cleansed by removing the undesireables from the culture by calling them something else


Absolutely, by saying, "those people are white trash," we've publically denounced them and removed them from our responsibility. We don't like them, we don't claim them. And you can do the same thing, and you probably should.


The impression among the "wider culture" (ie. white people) is that the average black guy is more than willing to defend the actions of almost any black person as long as non-black people are involved somewhere.


I'm not saying that you guys all need to start wearing Land's End sweaters all the time, but publically making distinctions between yourselves and the "less lawful" elements in your culture might go a long way toward improving relations. Two way street and all.



I understand that my answer may be hypocritical and excuse my language, but fark your opinion of me. As an individual, I am not going to walk on egg shells to change an unfounded, negative perception of me anymore than you will. You're trying to make the practice of seperating or demeaning others by calling the trash a noble thing to do. That's bullshiat. The people who label others trash are not doing it so that I and others can easily determine who is "good" and who is "bad". They do it because to elevate themselves above others, to make them feel good about their check-to-check existence. It allows them to say:

"I may not be a success in life, but at least I'm not one of 'them'"
 
2013-07-16 02:25:41 PM

kazikian: It probably IS what Trayvon would have wanted though, no?


If I had been killed like this and I was looking down from heaven or up from hell, I'd be all "fark you all, I want to see the world burn". So yeah, quite probably.
 
2013-07-16 02:31:41 PM
I just watched on TV a group of 5-10 black people punching & kicking a white couple sitting at a bus stop.  If this wasn't about race in the courtroom, it sure is hell is about race now.

Sadly, it is once again a small group of no good thugs becoming a representation of "their" people.
 
2013-07-16 02:36:01 PM
I understand that my answer may be hypocritical and excuse my language, but fark your opinion of me. As an individual, I am not going to walk on egg shells to change an unfounded, negative perception of me anymore than you will. You're trying to make the practice of seperating or demeaning others by calling the trash a noble thing to do. That's bullshiat. The people who label others trash are not doing it so that I and others can easily determine who is "good" and who is "bad". They do it because to elevate themselves above others, to make them feel good about their check-to-check existence. It allows them to say:
"I may not be a success in life, but at least I'm not one of 'them'"


Oh.
You mean the way you do with the label "racist" ?
 
2013-07-16 02:36:36 PM

Joe Blowme: Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

whar outrage? Whar Jesse? Whar Al? Will Stevie boycott?


Fta for the different killings:
"police believe the motive was robbery"
"gunned downed... next to the body of a 32 year old man who had gang ties"  (who wears gang ties any more?)
"A gunman got out of a black van and began firing as the boys ran away"

See, in none of those cases was there a "white Hispanic" who claims it was self defense.  Attacks that kill are okay for the media.  Just don't claim self defense and be a "white Hispanic".
A gunman got out of a black van and began firing as the boys ran away - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/four-children-gunned-down-chicago-dur i ng-zimmerman-trial#sthash.9Kx8KPkw.dpufpolice believe the motive was robbery
police believe the motive was robberypolice believe the motive was robbery
 
2013-07-16 02:45:39 PM

Magnanimous_J: I'm not saying that you guys all need to start wearing Land's End sweaters all the time, but publically making distinctions between yourselves and the "less lawful" elements in your culture might go a long way toward improving relations. Two way street and all.


And why don't the moderate muslims speak out against terrorists more?!??!
 
2013-07-16 02:49:29 PM

doubled99: I understand that my answer may be hypocritical and excuse my language, but fark your opinion of me. As an individual, I am not going to walk on egg shells to change an unfounded, negative perception of me anymore than you will. You're trying to make the practice of seperating or demeaning others by calling the trash a noble thing to do. That's bullshiat. The people who label others trash are not doing it so that I and others can easily determine who is "good" and who is "bad". They do it because to elevate themselves above others, to make them feel good about their check-to-check existence. It allows them to say:
"I may not be a success in life, but at least I'm not one of 'them'"

Oh.
You mean the way you do with the label "racist" ?


For that to be the case, I would have to assume all white people are racist, which I do not. I "label" people racist when they say stupid, racist shiat. Take you, for example...
 
2013-07-16 02:56:04 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Magnanimous_J: DROxINxTHExWIND: But, white culture is apparently "good" and it is cleansed by removing the undesireables from the culture by calling them something else


Absolutely, by saying, "those people are white trash," we've publically denounced them and removed them from our responsibility. We don't like them, we don't claim them. And you can do the same thing, and you probably should.


The impression among the "wider culture" (ie. white people) is that the average black guy is more than willing to defend the actions of almost any black person as long as non-black people are involved somewhere.


I'm not saying that you guys all need to start wearing Land's End sweaters all the time, but publically making distinctions between yourselves and the "less lawful" elements in your culture might go a long way toward improving relations. Two way street and all.


I understand that my answer may be hypocritical and excuse my language, but fark your opinion of me. As an individual, I am not going to walk on egg shells to change an unfounded, negative perception of me anymore than you will. You're trying to make the practice of seperating or demeaning others by calling the trash a noble thing to do. That's bullshiat. The people who label others trash are not doing it so that I and others can easily determine who is "good" and who is "bad". They do it because to elevate themselves above others, to make them feel good about their check-to-check existence. It allows them to say:

"I may not be a success in life, but at least I'm not one of 'them'"



Fine. Have it your way. But while we wait patiently for the enlightened utopia where everyone makes judgments based on reason and wisdom and education, I was just giving you some advice to make your own life easier.


But FYI, if you think "white trash" is just a self-serving stereotype for the middle class, I could show you some things. Creepy little towns built around long dead wood mills. Scabby, skinny, jagged toothed tweekers pimping their sisters for meth money. Next block over are young girls, who can't read and have never had an inoculation and barely speak because their grandfather rapes them every night and won't let them go to school because of "Jay-sus!" A Rottweiler starving to death chained to the porch because his owner is too drunk to remember to feed him.


Trust me, the label is much more than just a way to make myself feel better for driving a 5 year old car without leather.
 
2013-07-16 02:58:39 PM
For that to be the case, I would have to assume all white people are racist, which I do not. I "label" people racist when they say stupid, racist shiat. Take you, for example...

No, it wouldn't. You throw the label out whenever it's convenient, and worse, you actually think you've said something of substance when you use it. That's how you feel superior to others, or at least assuage your own feelings of inferiority.
 
2013-07-16 03:02:16 PM

bulldg4life: Magnanimous_J: I'm not saying that you guys all need to start wearing Land's End sweaters all the time, but publically making distinctions between yourselves and the "less lawful" elements in your culture might go a long way toward improving relations. Two way street and all.

And why don't the moderate muslims speak out against terrorists more?!??!


Trick question, there are no moderate muslims??
 
2013-07-16 03:04:42 PM
Last night was incredibly frustrating to watch. As an L.A. resident, a black person, and just a human being...I hated the way we were being represented. There were peaceful protests going on as well, but of course, that's not nearly as newsworthy as the dumbasses causing mayhem. "If it bleeds, it leads" as the old saying goes.

What the idiots last night don't realize (and surely don't care) is how much their actions hurt the overall message behind the protests, and how badly they damage race relations in general. I'd love to see one of them interviewed today, away from their friends, and asked what it is they think they accomplished last night. I'd love to have them watch the raw footage that we all saw, spot themselves in the crowd, and explain what was going through their minds. They wouldn't have any rational answers, of course, because there's no good explanation for it.

My biggest takeaway from last night is how powerful group-think and peer pressure can be. Any one of those dudes just walking down the street by themselves would not jump onto the roof of a car, or intimidate a moving car, or knock shiat down at Walmart, etc. But you get a bunch of guys together egging each other on and anything is possible. The whole thing honestly just makes me farking sad.
 
2013-07-16 03:06:11 PM

bulldg4life: Magnanimous_J: I'm not saying that you guys all need to start wearing Land's End sweaters all the time, but publically making distinctions between yourselves and the "less lawful" elements in your culture might go a long way toward improving relations. Two way street and all.

And why don't the moderate muslims speak out against terrorists more?!??!


Res ispa loquitur
 
2013-07-16 03:09:43 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-16 03:14:54 PM

doubled99: For that to be the case, I would have to assume all white people are racist, which I do not. I "label" people racist when they say stupid, racist shiat. Take you, for example...

No, it wouldn't. You throw the label out whenever it's convenient, and worse, you actually think you've said something of substance when you use it. That's how you feel superior to others, or at least assuage your own feelings of inferiority.


Naw, people like you are the ones battling feelings of inferiority. Why would I think I'm inferior when, to hear you all tell it, I think i have a built in excuse not to succeed? My failures in life aren't mine, they are the result or systematic oppression and institutionalized racism. Bigots say that we use racism as a crutch o justify our laziness. So, I've got no worries. You, on thew other hand, do not have an excuse to be a failure. You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher. You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic". And I think it eats you alive. You figure, since you've failed through your lack of education and ambition, that EVERYONE who does not succeed must be just like you. Actually, that's not what you believe, its what you WANT to believe. I think the realization that there are many black people who actually over came some real shiat and blew by you in life burns. It creates resentment in you that makes you want to lash out on the internet. I understand. I'd probably feel the same way.
 
2013-07-16 03:18:23 PM

Nabb1: Res ispa loquitur


Well, we all know that muslims have exclusive control over all terrorism, so it makes sense that they be held to blame even without specific muslim-y proof.
 
2013-07-16 03:19:29 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Actually, that's not what you believe, its what you WANT to believe. I think the realization that there are many black people who actually over came some real shiat and blew by you in life burns. It creates resentment in you that makes you want to lash out on the internet. I understand. I'd probably feel the same way.


Maybe he just really REALLY wants there to be a White Entertainment Television.
 
2013-07-16 03:24:38 PM
Naw, people like you are the ones battling feelings of inferiority. Why would I think I'm inferior when, to hear you all tell it, I think i have a built in excuse not to succeed? My failures in life aren't mine, they are the result or systematic oppression and institutionalized racism. Bigots say that we use racism as a crutch o justify our laziness. So, I've got no worries. You, on thew other hand, blah blah blah bullshiat...

See? You self identify as a person of a certain race. I don't. I couldn't care less what "white people" do or say. I'm a "white guy" to the same extent as I am a "human being". Maybe if people can stop being a member of a special group and just be a person, others will stop generalizing and labeling them. However,  no chance of that.
Your position on nearly every argument is derived from your perceived inferiority, that you then project onto others. It's kind of sad.

Try being an individual, and not a representative of a group.
 
2013-07-16 03:26:10 PM
FTA: "In Oakland, dozens of demonstrators briefly blocked Interstate 880 at the end of rush hour before lanes were cleared by authorities. Several protesters laid their bicycles on the ground in front of stopped cars."

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2013-07-16 03:29:31 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: doubled99: I understand that my answer may be hypocritical and excuse my language, but fark your opinion of me. As an individual, I am not going to walk on egg shells to change an unfounded, negative perception of me anymore than you will. You're trying to make the practice of seperating or demeaning others by calling the trash a noble thing to do. That's bullshiat. The people who label others trash are not doing it so that I and others can easily determine who is "good" and who is "bad". They do it because to elevate themselves above others, to make them feel good about their check-to-check existence. It allows them to say:
"I may not be a success in life, but at least I'm not one of 'them'"

Oh.
You mean the way you do with the label "racist" ?

For that to be the case, I would have to assume all white people are racist, which I do not. I "label" people racist when they say stupid, racist shiat. Take you, for example...


There are really only two forms of racism, racism born of ignorance, and racism born of experience. Racism born of ignorance relates to folks with little if any exposure to outside cultures or races. These folks tend to be more close-minded with minds that are easily influenced by their peers or environment. The unfortunate thing here is that while it should be the job of the media to portray matters in an unbiased manner, the inverse is true. What you then have are folks jumping to conclusions because "that is what they said on TV." This can be especially problematic when mob mentality takes over and individuals become organized. Organized institutional hatred is the worst imaginable outcome.

Racism born of experience is a very tricky situation. Folks that experience this are likely to form strong convictions. Individuals with convictions are more likely to act and lash out. You could say that a lot of the rioters are a direct result of institutional racism and the racism they experience on a daily basis. Or, there could be one particularly poignant moment that has caused these individuals to form a racism opinion. If every single dog you have ever encountered bites you, you probably won't like dogs. It does not matter if most dogs are good it is just shiatty luck you encountered bad dogs. If you only encountered one dog, and that dog tried to kill you, the same applies. The most you can hope for then is for the outside influences and media to let you know that dogs are not bad.

The thing is, we can mitigate BOTH of these, but we collectively need to make that a priority. The thing is that it is not in the best interest of politicians and "civil rights leaders" to do so because they would either lose power or be without jobs. The changes can only come from a community that has nothing to gain personally. Race baiters need to be exposed and the media needs to farking admonished and exposed for the ills they have caused.
 
2013-07-16 03:37:58 PM

I Browse: Last night was incredibly frustrating to watch. As an L.A. resident, a black person, and just a human being...I hated the way we were being represented. There were peaceful protests going on as well, but of course, that's not nearly as newsworthy as the dumbasses causing mayhem. "If it bleeds, it leads" as the old saying goes.

What the idiots last night don't realize (and surely don't care) is how much their actions hurt the overall message behind the protests, and how badly they damage race relations in general. I'd love to see one of them interviewed today, away from their friends, and asked what it is they think they accomplished last night. I'd love to have them watch the raw footage that we all saw, spot themselves in the crowd, and explain what was going through their minds. They wouldn't have any rational answers, of course, because there's no good explanation for it.

My biggest takeaway from last night is how powerful group-think and peer pressure can be. Any one of those dudes just walking down the street by themselves would not jump onto the roof of a car, or intimidate a moving car, or knock shiat down at Walmart, etc. But you get a bunch of guys together egging each other on and anything is possible. The whole thing honestly just makes me farking sad.


so besides posting anonymously on fark, what are you doing about this thing that makes you sad?
 
2013-07-16 03:38:02 PM

Greymalkin: Which is because black people in the USA are a minority or "the other", whites are the majority, so whenever whitey wants to complain about another group of whites they have to find a way to mark them as a minority or other too.   This is not an inherently white trait though, it exists everywhere in the world, humans are universally good at finding ways to identify the other when we want to hate/oppress/kill/ someone.


So there are times we want to hate and this is a function outside of the ability to identify "the other"?  You just twisted your logic into a pretzel, coated it with the mustard of derpitude, and then stuck it up your rectum.
 
2013-07-16 03:38:56 PM
Wtf are these people even protesting?  I mean the actual ones not the idiots looking for some safety in numbers of what they would be doing on any other night.
 
2013-07-16 03:41:01 PM
Fiction Fan:   "IT DIN'T GO THE WAY WE WANTED SO WE ARE GOING TO BREAK STUFF"

And now you know the real meaning behind the phrase, "No justice, no peace."

/Also applies to repeated prosecutions until they get a guilty verdict.
 
2013-07-16 03:41:02 PM

fat_free: Well, white people did enslave black people so...

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Need I remind you of the 100,000+ Irish slaves in the U.S. in the year 1723 alone? And of the White slaves freed at the end of the American Civil war? Certain people need to shut up, man up, and quit blaming something that happened centuries before they were born for their idiocy today.
 
2013-07-16 03:41:21 PM
Just FYI: I'm in Texas but my family is from the North East and I grew up in a suburb of LA.

So...I'm no southern stereotype. lol

I'm a liberal lefty, as progressive and inclusive as you can get.

And I do sarcasm occasionally.

I...think I may have trolled unintentionally. Since I got a few bites, I'm going to guess it was a successful unintentional troll.
 
2013-07-16 03:42:47 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: doubled99: For that to be the case, I would have to assume all white people are racist, which I do not. I "label" people racist when they say stupid, racist shiat. Take you, for example...

No, it wouldn't. You throw the label out whenever it's convenient, and worse, you actually think you've said something of substance when you use it. That's how you feel superior to others, or at least assuage your own feelings of inferiority.

Naw, people like you are the ones battling feelings of inferiority. Why would I think I'm inferior when, to hear you all tell it, I think i have a built in excuse not to succeed? My failures in life aren't mine, they are the result or systematic oppression and institutionalized racism. Bigots say that we use racism as a crutch o justify our laziness. So, I've got no worries. You, on thew other hand, do not have an excuse to be a failure. You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher. You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic". And I think it eats you alive. You figure, since you've failed through your lack of education and ambition, that EVERYONE who does not succeed must be just like you. Actually, that's not what you believe, its what you WANT to believe. I think the realization that there are many black people who actually over came some real shiat and blew by you in life burns. It creates resentment in you that makes you want to lash out on the internet. I understand. I'd probably feel the same way.


If you write your resume the way you write your posts I am not surprised that they threw your resume in the garbage.  It has nothing to do with you name.
 
2013-07-16 03:43:13 PM
Somebody needs to shoot those idiots.
 
2013-07-16 03:44:57 PM

doubled99: Naw, people like you are the ones battling feelings of inferiority. Why would I think I'm inferior when, to hear you all tell it, I think i have a built in excuse not to succeed? My failures in life aren't mine, they are the result or systematic oppression and institutionalized racism. Bigots say that we use racism as a crutch o justify our laziness. So, I've got no worries. You, on thew other hand, blah blah blah bullshiat...

See? You self identify as a person of a certain race. I don't. I couldn't care less what "white people" do or say. I'm a "white guy" to the same extent as I am a "human being". Maybe if people can stop being a member of a special group and just be a person, others will stop generalizing and labeling them. However,  no chance of that.
Your position on nearly every argument is derived from your perceived inferiority, that you then project onto others. It's kind of sad.

Try being an individual, and not a representative of a group.


LOL. I'm only representative of this "group" because many of my discussions on Fark are about the inferiority of the group which I belong. Again, I "self-identify" as a black man because if I said I was Asian, you'd look at me funny. I can't choose my race nor can I control how you choose to percieve it, based on the actions of a few. I'd love to know how responding to remarks that I consider racist is the same as arguing from a position of percived inferiority. I spend the majority of these threads countering the bigotted opinion that we are inferior. You know, the exact opposite of what you said. Talk to me about being an individual the FIRST time you aren't in a thread about black people engaging in a racist circle jerk of "jokes" and back-slapping over who can be the most ignorant.
 
2013-07-16 03:45:30 PM
So, let me make sure I understand this... To protest the victimization of a person, the protesters rioted and victimized innocent people and their businesses.
 
2013-07-16 03:47:13 PM

JeffreyScott: So, let me make sure I understand this... To protest the victimization of a person, the protesters rioted and victimized innocent people and their businesses.


can you imagine if one of those people tried to defend themselves?
It would be like dividing by zero.
 
2013-07-16 03:54:07 PM
tenpoundsofcheese:

so besides posting anonymously on fark, what are you doing about this thing that makes you sad?


What am I doing about the idiots last night who caused mayhem under the guise of peaceful protest...? Nothing. I don't know any of them. If I did, I'd try talking to them.

Trust me, if I saw someone I recognized acting like a fool last night, they'd hear from me.
 
2013-07-16 04:00:24 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?


 
2013-07-16 04:03:00 PM

I Browse: tenpoundsofcheese:

so besides posting anonymously on fark, what are you doing about this thing that makes you sad?


What am I doing about the idiots last night who caused mayhem under the guise of peaceful protest...? Nothing. I don't know any of them. If I did, I'd try talking to them.

Trust me, if I saw someone I recognized acting like a fool last night, they'd hear from me.


so no editorials?  no letter to the editor?  no blogs calling for people to stop this behavior? Not organizing protests against the rioters?
I can't imagine then that it makes you that sad.  Maybe just a little sad.
 
2013-07-16 04:05:46 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: You have never dealt with police brutality


So how were you brutalized by the police?
Did you file charges?
 
2013-07-16 04:08:33 PM
That I consider racist is the same as arguing from a position of percived inferiority. I spend the majority of these threads countering the bigotted opinion that we are inferior


No one said you were inferior. I referred to a perception of inferiority, which you hide behind projection. Once again, all your arguments begin with your generalization that "everyone thinks THIS about my group, and therefore..." generalization breeds generalization.
 
2013-07-16 04:35:56 PM
tenpoundsofcheese:

so no editorials?  no letter to the editor?  no blogs calling for people to stop this behavior? Not organizing protests against the rioters?
I can't imagine then that it makes you that sad.  Maybe just a little sad.



Public shaming might make me feel better (and feel like I'm "doing something") but it's not going to reach the ears and hearts of those kids who were out there last night. Based on my experience...you have to know them, and be in their circle of trust, before they'll even think about listening to you. And even then your chances are iffy.

That isn't to say that I've done nothing. I've volunteered at the Boys & Girls Club in South Central. I've mentored and tutored kids from that neighborhood through my fraternity. But the kind of kids I met at the B&G Club and at our frat house on Crenshaw are the ones who already want help. They're not the ones jumping on cars and shiat. Knuckleheads like that are harder to reach. Not impossible, but harder.
 
2013-07-16 04:38:25 PM

JeffreyScott: So, let me make sure I understand this... To protest the victimization of a person, the protesters rioted and victimized innocent people and their businesses.


It's usually pretty rare that a whole post needs to be emboldened
 
2013-07-16 04:43:12 PM
It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.
 
2013-07-16 04:55:50 PM

Joe Blowme: [cbschicago.files.wordpress.com image 420x312]

It is in Chicago right mr pastor of this chicago church

/nice kkk in the spelling
//racist farkwads


protest a little louder, farktard, you might start fooling someone.
 
2013-07-16 04:57:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?



LOL. The old "it didn' happen to YOOOOU" defense of racism. Classic. Let see here, first thing is if a teacher is unfair, favored females, didn't give a shiat, or only taught the top 5% of the class, I as a black person would be affected by it just like you. But if she's racist...

Do you see how that works? Now, here come the clowns who will take this post and make the claim that I blame some failure on being black. No. I'm fine. I'm giving you all examples of the disparity.

Do you really want to hear about my personal experiences or are you attempting to mock me from a position of ignorance by assuming that I have none? First, I would not be in a position to see if someone threw my resume in the garbage because as an applicant, you don;t get that kind of access. I have been an accounts payable manager for a number of years and I have first-hand experience hiring and firing people. Before I hire anyone, after I select the best candidates, we have an interview with the CFO of Finance so that he (it was a she at the time) can give a final stamp of approval. The resume incident that I am referring happened when my manager, faced with the resume of two applicants who she had never met before, began to ask me strange questions about the applicant with the "ethnic" name. "Was she dressed appropriately for the office?" and "Did she give any attitude when you told her the hours" come to mind as the ones that raised a red flag with me, since she'd never asked it about anyone else. I set up interviews with both final applicants and when I went into her office later to have somehint signed I saw that she had tossed the young lady's resume into the garbage. She was supposed to be reviewing it to put together her interview questions. Needless to say, the interview was very short. The CFO had made her decision prior to the introduction.

I recall speaking to a potential employer once when I was looking for another accounting job. I had a GREAT, not good, GREAT conversation with the Controller who explained that they had actually stopped accepting applicants but based on our conversation she really wanted me to come in. We scheduled an interview for 7:30am the next day so that after I interviewed with her (which was just a formality) I could move on to the interview with her boss and someone else in Finance. Long story short, I got there, got out of the elevator and walked to the glass suite door. I could see her sitting on the other side looking at my resume. I knocked on the door and I wish I could explain the look of suprise, horror, and confusion on her face. She was alone because we were interviewing so early and I guess it never occured to her that I could be a minority. I stood there for a couple of minutes patiently waiting and she didn't get up. I knocked and waved, she got up and walked to a part of he office where I could not see her. I stood patiently for a few moments and then she finally came back out and opened the door. We sat and "interviewed" for maybe 10 minutes. This woman who I had been on the phone with for an hour laughing and talking business had nothing to say to me. She finally makes up some story about forgetting that her boss would not be in that day, so there was no need for me to stay for a second interview. She would call me when he arrived the next day. I'm still waiting for that call.
 
2013-07-16 05:00:36 PM

armor helix: It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.


yeah, because its only racism if it's overt, right? Check this out. I fly twice a week, every week like clockwork. Each flight has two legs, so thats really four flights a week every week for the last 2 and a half years. Do the math. Because Im so regular, I often get comped business class seats...at least one or two flights out of the 4 will be Business class. The airline I use has assigned seating. You go to where your seat is and sit down, be it business class, coach or whatever. I have NEVER had to show my ticket to a flight attendant when sitting in business class. NEVER.

I know people who have had to, though. Black people. 100% of the time, if someone has to show a ticket, that person is black.

/Never seen anyone thrown out for not having the right ticket, either.

/that aint overt, though.
 
2013-07-16 05:16:32 PM

Madbassist1: armor helix: It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.

yeah, because its only racism if it's overt, right? Check this out. I fly twice a week, every week like clockwork. Each flight has two legs, so thats really four flights a week every week for the last 2 and a half years. Do the math. Because Im so regular, I often get comped business class seats...at least one or two flights out of the 4 will be Business class. The airline I use has assigned seating. You go to where your seat is and sit down, be it business class, coach or whatever. I have NEVER had to show my ticket to a flight attendant when sitting in business class. NEVER.

I know people who have had to, though. Black people. 100% of the time, if someone has to show a ticket, that person is black.

/Never seen anyone thrown out for not having the right ticket, either.

/that aint overt, though.


I, too, have been the victim of racism.

I've been threatened for walking-while-white through the ghetto more times than I can count. I've been pulled over in a majority black city - one with a black mayor and a majority black police force - by two black officers no less, who hand cuffed me and proceeded to search both myself and my car because "there's no reason for white people to be here after dark except drugs;" I was simply taking a coworker home at the time. I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."

So that means I can call someone a "creepy ass ni****" now, right? We're cool?
 
2013-07-16 05:32:34 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: When any of the people in these groups commits an atrocity, its not "white" people who are to blame, its not because "white" people have not been raised properly, its not because white people hate authority, its not because white people are inherently violent. But if a few black people tear something up its a "cultural" thing.


It is a cultural thing.  Any sub-section of the populace that does X gets treated like Z.  Sure, some few bigots will look at everyone of skin color Y and presume false things, but not all white people are that way.  A vast majority of us anymore blame a specific culture(or individual) based purely on their actions.

In this case, it's the far left that is behaving like animals, within that is blacks and whites.  If you'd watched some of the riots you'd have seen white people marching right beside black people.
This is not strictly a white vs black issue, why you continue to insist on painting at such is almost puzzling(but then I remember who you are and what you do in ever thread you're in...)
[more below because fark's quote box insisted on putting this above the rest of my post]


abfalter: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


So there were hundreds of peaceful demonstrations and a few that were not.  And those few that are not prove the stereotype and not the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that showed otherwise?

Racism, indeed, has a basis in ignorance...


The difference between a rioter and a protestor, pertaining to this case, is the willingness to take action.  They obviously all have the same beliefs, that a great injustice was done.  Neither group is correct.  Both protester and rioter based their opinions on simple and/or willful ignorance(if not bigotry and prejudice).

DROxINxTHExWIND: group which I belong.


That is where you end up being racist.  You think you belong to them based on the color of your skin in relation to the color of their skin.

DROxINxTHExWIND: I spend the majority of these threads countering the bigotted opinion that we are inferior.


No, you spend the majority of these threads seeking out and instigating a fight with people you BelieveTM to be bigoted against "your" people, all while flaunting another BeliefTM, that there is a difference and each "group"(black&white) deserves to be labeled as different entities.  Even if(and sometimes especially when) you have fabricated the argument in it's entirety.

You clearly and consistently buy into the dichotomous race problem, create exclusion and judgement were the only actual solution is inclusion and tolerance.  In summation, you are part of the problem.

You're as bad as the chick on CNN who flew off the handle when the juror B37 used the word "they" to describe Jeantel and Treyvon and flew off into a anti-racism rant.  Because, it's impossible she meant that subset of young people, specifically that group of friends and peers, IMPOSSIBLE.
 
2013-07-16 05:35:24 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?


LOL. The old "it didn' happen to YOOOOU" defense of racism. Classic. Let see here, first thing is if a teacher is unfair, favored females, didn't give a shiat, or only taught the top 5% of the class, I as a black person would be affected by it just like you. But if she's racist...

Do you see how that works? Now, here come the clowns who will take this post and make the claim that I blame some failure on being black. No. I'm fine. I'm giving you all examples of the disparity.

Do you really want to hear about my personal experiences or are you attempting to mock me from a position of ignorance by assuming that I have none? First, I would not be in a position to see if someone threw my resume in the garbage because as an applicant, you don;t get that kind of access. I have been an accounts payable manager for a number of years and I have first-hand experience hiring and firing people. Before I hire anyone, after I select the best candidates, we have an interview with the CFO of Finance so that he (it was a she at the time) can give a final stamp of approval. The resume incident that I am referring happened when my manager, faced with the resume of two applicants who she had never ...


A friend of mine used to work for a guy who just outright said that he didn't hire black people.  But, he had a shop full of Mexicans, so he wasn't racist.  Swell dude.
 
2013-07-16 05:39:08 PM
Elegy:  I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."


Was it this guy?

patperezgolf.com
 
2013-07-16 05:55:31 PM

Elegy: Madbassist1: armor helix: It's funny that the only overt racist thing about this whole incident was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "creepy-ass cracker." If anybody is looking to call somebody else a racist maybe they should start with Mr. Martin.

yeah, because its only racism if it's overt, right? Check this out. I fly twice a week, every week like clockwork. Each flight has two legs, so thats really four flights a week every week for the last 2 and a half years. Do the math. Because Im so regular, I often get comped business class seats...at least one or two flights out of the 4 will be Business class. The airline I use has assigned seating. You go to where your seat is and sit down, be it business class, coach or whatever. I have NEVER had to show my ticket to a flight attendant when sitting in business class. NEVER.

I know people who have had to, though. Black people. 100% of the time, if someone has to show a ticket, that person is black.

/Never seen anyone thrown out for not having the right ticket, either.

/that aint overt, though.

I, too, have been the victim of racism.

I've been threatened for walking-while-white through the ghetto more times than I can count. I've been pulled over in a majority black city - one with a black mayor and a majority black police force - by two black officers no less, who hand cuffed me and proceeded to search both myself and my car because "there's no reason for white people to be here after dark except drugs;" I was simply taking a coworker home at the time. I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."


Oh, you went on the "Black Experience" ride, eh?  Fun!  Give you any perspective?

So that means I can call someone a "creepy ass ni****" now, right? We're cool?

Sure.  It's all the rage.  Go for it!  Say it loud and proud!
 
2013-07-16 06:02:05 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You have never dealt with police brutality or with a racist teacher.

Oh please, people have dealt with incompetent teachers, unfair teachers, teachers who favored females more than males, teachers who couldn't give a darn, teachers who favored 2-3 students, teachers who taught only to the top 5% or the bottom 5%.  Do what everyone else does:  study hard, do extra stuff on your own, nail the test.  Your grades will speak for your capability in the class, not your race.

You've never had your resume thrown in the garbage because your name sounded "ethnic".

And you KNOW that the reason your resume was thrown in the garbage was because of your name?
There was no other reason?  You were perfectly qualified for that job vs. all others except for your name?


LOL. The old "it didn' happen to YOOOOU" defense of racism. .


If you want to whine that you were discriminated against because some other person of your race was brutalized by a cop, then you really have no argument.

As pointed out earlier by someone else:  "Try being an individual, and not a representative of a group. "

Let see here, first thing is if a teacher is unfair, favored females, didn't give a shiat, or only taught the top 5% of the class, I as a black person would be affected by it just like you. But if she's racist...

Do you see how that works?


You obviously don't.  Different people face disparity for different reasons.
I assumed you were in the top 5% of the class and I wasn't in my example.


Do you really want to hear about my personal experiences or are you attempting to mock me from a position of ignorance by assuming that I have none? First, I would not be in a position to see if someone threw my resume in the garbage because as an applicant, you don;t get that kind of access.

So then don't make up stories.  It doesn't make your case stronger when you do.

I have been an accounts payable manager for a number of years and I have first-hand experience hiring and firing people. Before I hire anyone, after I select the best candidates, we have an interview with the CFO of Finance so that he (it was a she at the time) can give a final stamp of approval. The resume incident that I am referring happened when my manager, faced with the resume of two applicants who she had never met before, began to ask me strange questions about the applicant with the "ethnic" name. "Was she dressed appropriately for the office?" and "Did she give any attitude when you told her the hours" come to mind as the ones that raised a red flag with me, since she'd never asked it about anyone else. I set up interviews with both final applicants and when I went into her office later to have somehint signed I saw that she had tossed the young lady's resume into the garbage. She was supposed to be reviewing it to put together her interview questions. Needless to say, the interview was very short. The CFO had made her decision prior to the introduction.

So what?  That has nothing to do with throwing her resume in the trash because of her name.  You are just doing the knee-jerk  "It was rejected because of her name".  Did you read her resume?

I recall speaking to a potential employer once when I was looking for another accounting job. I had a GREAT, not good, GREAT conversation with the Controller who explained that they had actually stopped accepting applicants ... I'm still waiting for that call.

So what?  You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?
 
2013-07-16 06:04:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?


It always is with these people.

They love it when you say "these people"
 
2013-07-16 06:06:05 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?


Bad reading comprehension is bad.
 
2013-07-16 06:09:40 PM

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?

Bad reading comprehension is bad.


Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.
My friend who is a minority walked into an interview and the interviewee kept looking at her uncomfortably.
Took a while, but she eventually realized that her shoulder had the remnants of some vomit from her baby that she was holding before she went to work.
Got the job anyway.
 
2013-07-16 06:18:36 PM
More like they are opportunistic assholes who don't give a ripe fark about anyone but themselves, but will use this boy's death as an excuse to do whatever they want. Same thing happened with the last riots. Nobody gave a rats ass about Rodney King, but they were sure to take advantage of it for theft and arson, battery and vandalism. Try reading a book and getting a farking job losers. Way to reinforce the stereotype.
 
2013-07-16 06:18:42 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?

Bad reading comprehension is bad.

Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.
My friend who is a minority walked into an interview and the interviewee kept looking at her uncomfortably.
Took a while, but she eventually realized that her shoulder had the remnants of some vomit from her baby that she was holding before she went to work.
Got the job anyway.


Yeah, but he said that they asked him to interview in spite of the expired application period.
 
2013-07-16 06:23:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.


This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals
 
2013-07-16 06:23:17 PM

abfalter: SecretAgentWoman: Way to go to, guys!

Proving that racial stereotypes, indeed, have a basis in reality.


So there were hundreds of peaceful demonstrations and a few that were not.  And those few that are not prove the stereotype and not the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that showed otherwise?

Racism, indeed, has a basis in ignorance...


/Not really, as FACTS support that crime is higher per number of black population vs white.  At least violent crime. Black youths are a small percentage of America's total population, but make up for more than 50 percent of its crime.  So if anyone is ignorant, its you.  People aren't racist...they have been trained by SEEING and knowing the facts of who is doing what.  That is LEARNING THROUGH EXPERIENCE, not racism.  Ever watch cops?  Watch it for a week and tell me if the majority of people they arrest are black or white.  Come back then and spout your bullshiat.
 
2013-07-16 06:25:14 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: More like they are opportunistic assholes who don't give a ripe fark about anyone but themselves, but will use this boy's death as an excuse to do whatever they want. Same thing happened with the last riots. Nobody gave a rats ass about Rodney King, but they were sure to take advantage of it for theft and arson, battery and vandalism. Try reading a book and getting a farking job losers. Way to reinforce the stereotype.


Well, that certainly describe the rioters, looters, vandals, etc.  However, up here in Oakland, it's the same old story.  There will be a strong group of people peacefully protesting, with the best of intentions, then as evening hits, idiots of all shades, mostly from out of town, arrive and start shiat.  Over 3/4 of all people arrested in the last riots out here were from elsewhere.
 
2013-07-16 06:28:34 PM

omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals


You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.
 
2013-07-16 06:31:19 PM

I Browse: Elegy:  I've been told by a black bartender in a honky tonk that I wouldn't be served and that I needed to leave because "we don't like white people in here."


Was it this guy?

[patperezgolf.com image 525x387]


Haha, I love that scene. That would have been so much more amusing than what we actually encountered. Believe it or not, race relations in the Mississippi delta are still a bit... tense.

Side note: for some reason I had a brain fart and called it a honky tonk. That's incorrect, a honky tonk is a country bar. In the delta, blues bars are called juke joints.
 
2013-07-16 06:33:41 PM

vrax: omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals

You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.


Yeah, because cherrypicking is the sign of the informed intelligence that you purport to have.
 
2013-07-16 06:44:15 PM

omeganuepsilon: vrax: omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals

You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.

Yeah, because cherrypicking is the sign of the informed intelligence that you purport to have.


Yes, it was a nice ripe cherry of BS that derailed the rest of your post.  Oh, 2013 would otherwise be such a racial utopia were it not for those retarded liberals.
 
2013-07-16 07:10:31 PM

Joe Blowme: JAGChem82: doubled99: Rednecks and guidos are epithets? The same people who proudly call themselves that (and NO it ain't the same as black people calling themselves the N-word) This from the same people that whine about not being able to use the N-word? Funny, you work with inner city kids - you sure don't act like it. Again, my last question stands unanswered.

It's always great when someone says something so stupid and self-defeating there is no need to mock it.

What was stupid about it? Are those universal slurs for white people the same way the N-word is used? They aren't? So what the hell are you biatching about me saying them for? Last time I checked, those words were used ubiquitously in TV and other social media.

so if they say it on tv, facebook, and in songs then its ok to say? be sure to let the DOJ know we can all now say nword and not be racist

/willfully obtuse? Trolling? or just plain stupid... you decide


Please. If you really cared about bashing racists, you'd be castigating these reject 4chan and YouTube trolls on the numerous Zimmerman threads on Fark. But somebody says anything you feel negative about white people, you cry like a 5 year old. It isn't necessarily the slur itself that is offensive (in regards to the N-word), it's what came after it that pissed us off. If you want to go say it, fine. Just be willing to put up with the consequences afterwards.

And because you probably comeback with "well if you get to say it..." Guess what? It IS farking stupid when we say it! Do you think if was ever in a business meeting with DRO or any other black guy, that WE go all ghetto speak and talk about "mothafarking crackers be fronting"? No. But some black ITG goes on Facebook acting like an extra on a rap video? "Oh hell those darn black people are so retarded". Get over yourself.
 
2013-07-16 07:10:37 PM

vrax: omeganuepsilon: vrax: omeganuepsilon: And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

/they = retarded liberals

You should hang your head in shame for typing that.  What ignorant bullshiat.

Yeah, because cherrypicking is the sign of the informed intelligence that you purport to have.

Yes, it was a nice ripe cherry of BS that derailed the rest of your post.  Oh, 2013 would otherwise be such a racial utopia were it not for those retarded liberals.


Where did I say they were the only ones to blame?  Of course the actual bigots are part of the problem, do I need to mention them every time I talk about the problem?  No, some things go without saying, like your need to be at the rally in 26 minutes.
/It's not all liberals either, just the retarded ones, just as problematic as the retarded conservatives
//but what's important is that I feel superior to both

You're one of those people like drox, ferreting out racism, and when that fails, you fabricate the straw man to knock down.  You should think about a new hobby, you suck at this one.
 
2013-07-16 07:15:46 PM

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: So what? You applied to a job too late (they stopped accepting applicants) and didn't get the job.
And somehow that surprises you and your reaction is racism?

Bad reading comprehension is bad.

Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.
My friend who is a minority walked into an interview and the interviewee kept looking at her uncomfortably.
Took a while, but she eventually realized that her shoulder had the remnants of some vomit from her baby that she was holding before she went to work.
Got the job anyway.

Yeah, but he said that they asked him to interview in spite of the expired application period.


Meh.  Backup candidates because they thought their choice wasn't going to take the job, or had asked for an extra day to make the decision.  Happens all the time.
 
2013-07-16 07:20:41 PM

omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.


Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.
 
2013-07-16 07:24:31 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.


Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.
 
2013-07-16 07:28:43 PM

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.


I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?
 
2013-07-16 07:34:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?


Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.
 
2013-07-16 07:37:38 PM

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?

Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.


Typical "me generation" response.  It is all about your enjoyment.
About what I expected from you.
 
2013-07-16 07:41:43 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?

Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.

Typical "me generation" response.  It is all about your enjoyment.
About what I expected from you.


That is rich coming from Mr. Bootstrappy, I Got Mine, from the politics tab.  LMFAO!
 
2013-07-16 07:49:32 PM
Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.
 
2013-07-16 08:33:21 PM
pbs.twimg.com
That's what Zimmerman would've wanted.
 
2013-07-16 09:17:43 PM

Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Exactly!

And nobody wants to discuss the fact that the only actual overt racism was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a cracker.

Maybe...just maybe... Trayvon's racist beliefs caused him to attack Zimmerman and wind up dead.

Trayvon's mother didn't give a shiat about Trayvon until it was time to sue the HOA and collect money.
 
2013-07-16 10:06:30 PM

armor helix: Trayvon's mother didn't give a shiat about Trayvon until it was time to sue the HOA and collect money.


Don't know about that, but she did at first admit it maybe was a fight that got out of hand(knowing her son).
And later her "darkest day" was when GZ didn't get convicted, nevermind when her son attacked him and died.

She started out respectable....I will heavily blame Crump for her corruption.
 
2013-07-16 10:31:04 PM

Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.



Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?
 
2013-07-16 11:21:41 PM

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


1. Zimmerman came before both of these.
2. Zimmerman isn't actually racist, but many claim he is anyhow.  Great controversy for ratings.
3. There is no ready evidence of the defendants claims. No weapons, nor harm to their person....again, not much controversy to be had, makes for poor ratings.

In a nutshell, they're no where near as clear cut cases as Zimm's was. Disclaimer, I haven't seen other news and those articles are fairly sparse.  I don't think we'll see anywhere near the evidence/witness chain that we had with Zimm's case to corroborate or at least lend credence to their stories.  One guy left the scene, so even if there was a gun(probably lying, mind you) it was long gone.
 
2013-07-16 11:23:48 PM
Further disclaimer:  They may get off the hook anyways.  Well as the justice system worked for Zimm's case, it's not always that on top of things.

If they do get off, I'll be on your team(barring some really convincing evidence, unlikely as it sounds).
 
2013-07-16 11:36:57 PM

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


First let me say those two stories illustrate my point of selective outrage.  I find each of those cases you linked far more offensive than the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy and deserve more scorn.

I think your linked cases got less attention because the accused was quickly arrested and charged.  Zimmerman was not initially charged (and in hindsight rightfully so considering the verdict).

IMO the major difference is going to be guilt.  I dont mind going out on a limb and saying the defendant in each of the two pending cases will be convicted.  Zimmerman was not.

By definition, justice was served in the Zimmerman/Martin trial.  I expect justice to be served in the other two cases as well.

I have answered your questions.  My turn.  Why is the verdict in the Zimmerman/Martin case so hard to accept for many?
 
2013-07-16 11:50:34 PM

Frederick: Why is the verdict in the Zimmerman/Martin case so hard to accept for many?


Because many people can't weigh all of the evidence at once, or are under-informed, or choose to be ignorant of evidence X because it doesn't fit their agenda(which can vary widely, anti-gun to anti community involvement to advancing civil rights[admirable enough but mistaken in this case] etc etc.).

Things like hindsight bias(historical fallacy) where people can't grasp the concept that we know a lot GZ didn't know at the time, it just wasn't predictable as a lot of people want to make it sound.  Knock that up to a lack of empathy if you want, but I think there's a factor of intelligence as well.  All flaws with the "If he hadn't have gotten out of the car, it could have been avoided."  argument.
 
2013-07-17 12:11:45 AM

Fark It: Thank you, media and internet, for enlightening the general public about the facts of the case, not inflaming people's emotions, and helping foster an environment of enlightened discourse.


Because the "protestors" are certainly doing a bang-up job all by themselves?

Is it racist now to report the farking news or something?
 
2013-07-17 12:52:36 AM

vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: vrax: tenpoundsofcheese: omeganuepsilon: tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  If the way you view the world is through race, everything bad will look like a racist slight.

This.  Racism is a problem, but not every problem is racism.  To act in such a fashion(riot or protest a clear self defense case as racial persecution) is to take credibility and attention from the important arguments and discussions, can actually set back the just cause.  3 steps forward 2 steps back.  And they wonder why, in 2013 we're still plagued with racial problems.

Well, hopefully this is a pendulum swing thing where in the past people wouldn't dare call out someone for racist behavior and now the pendulum has swung way the other way "He threw my resume in the garbage - must be because he is a racist and doesn't like my name".   Hopefully we can get to a more rational place and are able to deal with the real racial issues more efficiently.

Yeah, you two get to work on the real racial issues.

I have been working on issues in my community for the last 4 years.
What exactly have you been doing?

Getting out in the world and enjoying my fellow human beings, like we all should.

Typical "me generation" response.  It is all about your enjoyment.
About what I expected from you.

That is rich coming from Mr. Bootstrappy, I Got Mine, from the politics tab.  LMFAO!


riiggght.  Because everyone who disagrees with the hive thinking of the politics tab is "boostrappy, I got mine".

Your strawman is invalid.

How many strawman are you going to try before you come back to reality?
 
2013-07-17 12:56:04 AM

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


Did Obama think that either of those victims could have been just like the son he never had?
 
2013-07-17 12:56:54 AM
Frederick:

1. I think your linked cases got less attention because the accused was quickly arrested and charged.  Zimmerman was not initially charged (and in hindsight rightfully so considering the verdict).


2. I have answered your questions.  My turn.  Why is the verdict in the Zimmerman/Martin case so hard to accept for many?



1. Bingo...that's the big difference. The initial reason the Martin/Zimmerman case got so much attention is because Zimmerman wasn't arrested and charged. That's certainly what threw me off when I first heard about it. It wasn't just that a non-black person killed a black person (as you originally asserted). It was the lack of any formal charges that made this into a newsworthy story.

Were the police right not to charge him? Depends on if you believe Zimmerman's account of the incident. The cops believed it (and clearly so did the jury). So I can see why they didn't arrest him. But again, the lack of charges is what surprised most people...not just the shooting itself, and not just the races of the actors.

2. It isn't hard for me to accept, because I knew this would be the outcome for a long time now. I've come to terms with it. For others, I think it's a matter of principle. At the heart of it, they don't believe Zimmerman should ever have called the police in the first place. They're upset that Martin was profiled. Sure...they'll argue the detailed points of the case (i.e. who started the confrontation, what the 911 operator said, which one was screaming, etc). But what it really boils down to is the initial call to the police, and why Zimmerman made it.

The whole "I Am Trayvon Martin" rallying cry is mostly about profiling, imho. In other words "This time it was Trayvon, next time it could be you, your son, brother, husband, cousin, etc." And that's why I think people (mostly black people) are having such a hard time with this. We can imagine ourselves being in Martin's place more than we can in Zimmerman's.

For what it's worth (and again, this is a black person saying this)...I don't think any of these protests are going to amount to much or change anything. Because even if you repeal Stand Your Ground laws (won't happen) or restrict gun ownership (keep dreaming)...you still won't cure what is at the root of profiling, and that's fear and distrust.
 
2013-07-17 01:01:59 AM

Frederick: I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?

First let me say those two stories illustrate my point of selective outrage.  I find each of those cases you linked far more offensive than the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy and deserve more scorn.

I think your linked cases got less attention because the accused was quickly arrested and charged.  Zimmerman was not initially charged (and in hindsight rightfully so considering the verdict).

IMO the major difference is going to be guilt.  I dont mind going out on a limb and saying the defendant in each of the two pending cases will be convicted.  Zimmerman was not.

By definition, justice was served in the Zimmerman/Martin trial.  I expect justice to be served in the other two cases as well.


Generally agreed.
I think something else at play in the Zimmerman case is that there was an accusation that the victim did something wrong since George claimed self-defense.
The outrage was hightened by the "how dare you accuse some guy who was just out for a walk with his skittles and Ice tea."
(I know it was Watermelon Fruit Juice, but the media couldn't report that).
 
2013-07-17 01:06:40 AM
tenpoundsofcheese:

Did Obama think that either of those victims could have been just like the son he never had?


I don't know. Did a reporter ask him for his opinion about those cases like they did about the Zimmerman / Martin case?
 
2013-07-17 01:16:01 AM

I Browse: tenpoundsofcheese:

Did Obama think that either of those victims could have been just like the son he never had?


I don't know. Did a reporter ask him for his opinion about those cases like they did about the Zimmerman / Martin case?


I don't know, do you?
Did anyone send an email or letter to Obama about this?  Probably since these cases happened after the Martin death.
 
2013-07-17 01:20:40 AM

I Browse: But what it really boils down to is the initial call to the police, and why Zimmerman made it.


Meh.
He made a call because he saw what he thought was suspicious behavior.
You, nor anyone else, know whether or not Martin was exhibiting suspicious behavior.
He had a good track record of calls to 911 and he called it correctly about Martin's drug use.
And before you try the race card, he didn't even sound positive that Martin was black based on his answer to 911 when they asked him about race.
 
2013-07-17 01:22:34 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: I Browse: tenpoundsofcheese:

Did Obama think that either of those victims could have been just like the son he never had?


I don't know. Did a reporter ask him for his opinion about those cases like they did about the Zimmerman / Martin case?


I don't know, do you?
Did anyone send an email or letter to Obama about this?  Probably since these cases happened after the Martin death.



Nope, I don't. Btw...I get that you were either offended or annoyed by Obama's "If I had a son" comment. And I've had others here explain to me in great detail why they think he was completely out of line to say that, so you don't need to elaborate.

I didn't have a problem with his comment then and still don't now, but we can respectfully agree to disagree about it (if that's cool with you).
 
2013-07-17 01:28:03 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: I Browse: But what it really boils down to is the initial call to the police, and why Zimmerman made it.

Meh.
He made a call because he saw what he thought was suspicious behavior.
You, nor anyone else, know whether or not Martin was exhibiting suspicious behavior.
He had a good track record of calls to 911 and he called it correctly about Martin's drug use.
And before you try the race card, he didn't even sound positive that Martin was black based on his answer to 911 when they asked him about race.



Dammit...and I was just reaching for one in my wallet. Maybe next time.
 
2013-07-17 01:53:22 AM

I Browse: It was the lack of any formal charges that made this into a newsworthy story.


Newsworthy?  Gained a bit of notice maybe.  It's pretty common practice, when the evidence and story and eyewitnesses line up so well.

Shouldn't have surprised anyone, the concept is featured pretty heavily in all gazilion cop shows that are all the rage. They can investigate, but really can't arrest until they have something that will stick, and that WAS done in this case.

But the small amount of people who did notice spread it improperly, that's how it got to the mega newsworthy(high ratings). Race was injected by people like Crump and liberal media trying to create a boogey man.

I Browse: We can imagine ourselves being in Martin's place more than we can in Zimmerman's.


Only for people who, for whatever reason(ignorance, gullibility, willful ignorance), didn't see the evidence and didn't know about the violence before the shooting.(or people that are actually violent, obviously).

It's still conveniently left out of a LOT of news coverage.  "He killed a kid with candy and got away with it!1!!11"

More of the same BS that is what gained the case national news to begin with, excepting the verdict of course.  A sensationalized story based on only half the evidence and a lot of imagination and mincing of words.

I Browse: you still won't cure what is at the root of profiling, and that's fear and distrust.


Nothing wrong with profiling in and of itself.  Racial profiling, yeah, that's obviously wrong, but we can't even prove that's the case here.

Recognizing suspicious behavior patterns(or profiling) is a legitimate component for any given position involving security. Cops to airports to hospitals to neighborhood watch.  People who are shifty, nervous, furtive, acting strange in whatever manner, these are all tip-offs that can warrant an individual to be more alert.  Evolution has primed us to notice what's out of place, and intelligence has developed trends as to how specific types of criminals display before they commit.

Granted, our TSA does it poorly, our cops worse, but Isreal, IIRC, has made an art of it.  A show of force and a keen eye for warning signs.
 
2013-07-17 01:58:16 AM

I Browse: I didn't have a problem with his comment then


Here's the reason people have a problem with it, and I needn't even go into great detail.  Obama is admitting his son would be violent.(or his own ignorance of the details as I noted above about how people always leave that out).
 
2013-07-17 02:14:46 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: It's almost as shocking as the number of farkers that I color-coded as 'Racist' showing up in this thread to be racist.

Did you color-code them "black" or "white?"  Racists wanna know!

 
2013-07-17 02:23:41 AM

I Browse: Frederick: Maybe if the outrage over a black youth being killed wasnt so selective I'd be more supportive.  It seems clear to me the elevation of this incidence is due to the killer being of a different race and not about justice.


Here are examples of two other cases of black unarmed teens being killed by someone of a different race, and neither has gotten the media attention that this one did:

Michael David Dunn shot a 17 year old black kid over loud music

John Henry Spooner shot a 13 year old black kid because he claimed the kid stole guns from him

Why do you suppose those cases have gotten so little national attention, while this one has gotten so much? What do you think the major difference is?


Hey, Race-Bait Inc. has a LOT of investment in TMTM. They can't afford to detract attention from the primary shiny trinket, - it would only create confusion and befuddlement.

Do you know why Zebras have stripes?

In this modern world we are UTTERLY BOMBARDED with stories, issues, celebrities, tragedies, drama and farking SURVIVAL. Do you realize how much work it takes to build a non-story like GS vs TM into a national issue?  Let alone create enough OUTRAGE to  drag layabouts away from their La-Z-Boys to brave the heat and howl in chorus.

No, trumpeting these other stories would only create chaos, tail chasing, and eventually, depressed apathy. Who is going to be protesting what? and when? and where?

As my old friend Grover once said: "to find the IQ of a mob, you must first determine the IQ of the stupidest person in the mob, and then divide that number by the total population of the mob".

Or as advertising experts say: "People are stupid. Keep it simple!"


Understand?
 
2013-07-17 02:45:48 AM

I Browse: The whole "I Am Trayvon Martin" rallying cry is mostly about profiling, imho. In other words "This time it was Trayvon, next time it could be you, your son, brother, husband, cousin, etc." And that's why I think people (mostly black people) are having such a hard time with this. We can imagine ourselves being in Martin's place more than we can in Zimmerman's.

For what it's worth (and again, this is a black person saying this)...I don't think any of these protests are going to amount to much or change anything. Because even if you repeal Stand Your Ground laws (won't happen) or restrict gun ownership (keep dreaming)...you still won't cure what is at the root of profiling, and that's fear and distrust.


You've been rising in my favorites tab for the past two days. If you keep posting such well reasoned, level headed, and intelligent responses, I'm going to have to create a whole new category just for you.

I think you speak truthfully about why this is such a hard issue for black americans. If I may presume to speak on the general views of white americans for a moment.... (pardon the essay response).

The claim that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin really sticks in the caw of white people. Other than the basic lack of knowledge about the facts of the case itself, I think this - coupled with the claim that Zimmerman was a racist - is the major point of contention that white people are having with the whole #JusticeforTrayvon movement, myself included.

The public reaction to this case has largely been an exercise in disbelief and frustration on the parts of whites, at least those that I have talked to about the case. Southern white people - especially those of a more moderate or liberal stripe - take claims of racism seriously, and as a consequence they will actually take the time to judge whether or not a person's history supplies merit to those claims before weighing in on the issue. Most of the white people I have talked to about the case were initially just as outraged as everyone else was when Zimmerman was (falsely) portrayed as a racist in the media - how dare this man hunt down and kill this child because of his prejudice, etc. They wanted him brought to justice just as bad as the people protesting in Sanford.

But most of the whites I have talked to that are even the least bit knowledgeable about the case also know by now about Zimmerman's history: taking a black girl to prom, the crusade for the black homeless man, the mentoring of black kids. Many of them have listened to the case with a specific ear towards racism on Zimmerman's part, and have not found the least shred of evidence that he is a racist. Many of them bring up, as tenpoundsofcheese did, that Zimmerman was actually unsure of Martin's race when Zimmerman first saw Martin. They are also acutely aware that even if Martin's race mattered to Zimmmerman, Zimmerman actually had a factual basis for being concerned: the rash of burglaries and the home invasion in the neighborhood, the majority (if not all of them) committed by black teenagers, some of whom were still at large at the time of the incident.

So when I say this case has been an exercise frustration for whites - my self included - I mean that literally. The people I have talked to have literally thrown their hands up in the air and said "what in the hell do people want from us" because they see the claims of Zimmerman racially profiling Martin as vastly unfair to both Zimmerman and themselves. Adding in the factor that this case has become about white/black relations in the media circus, but Zimmerman is a hispanic, only exacerbates the overall levels of disbelief and frustration.

So when the #JusticeforTrayvon crowd screams bloody murder about Zimmerman racially profiling Martin, the whites I know aren't hearing those (legitimate) wider concerns about racial profiling, because none of the whites that I know think racial profiling or racism was ever a factor in this case.

They are bewildered that Zimmerman's past actions towards helping the black community count for exactly nothing in the eyes of the mob screaming for Zimmerman's head. They also express horror that a man who was a poster boy for racial tolerance is being vilified as a racist, and they see that happening because Zimmerman's skin is lighter than Martin's. They see the cries of racism as evidence that no matter how hard you try, no matter how many good things you do, you will still be branded as a racist because of the color of your skin; but if your skin is dark enough you can call another human being racist, derogatory names and be excused for it because that is part of your "culture". They also express vast frustration and anger at the fact that even if black teenagers are responsible for crime in your neighborhood, calling the police because you see a black teenager acting suspicious is still seen as a racist thing to do. The express rage at the fact that no matter how good of a person you are, if you legally defend yourself against an assault against a black person, its judged as an act motivated by racism. And they are outright insane over continuing demands for Federal prosecution for a civil rights violation of a man already judged not-guilty in a jury trial, and who has never once been shown to have a racist bone in his body.

I say "they say" or "they see," but honestly I see and share many of these frustrations. Continuing the marches and calls for prosecution after Zimmerman was acquitted has not thus far been a good thing for racial relations in America, IMO, and improves nothing. Rather than curing the fear and suspicious that you spoke of, it is only creating new divisions and pushing the undecideds to one extreme of the spectrum.
 
2013-07-17 02:47:51 AM
I Browse: you still won't cure what is at the root of profiling, and that's fear and distrust.


omeganuepsilon: Nothing wrong with profiling in and of itself. Racial profiling, yeah, that's obviously wrong, but we can't even prove that's the case here.

Recognizing suspicious behavior patterns(or profiling) is a legitimate component for any given position involving security. Cops to airports to hospitals to neighborhood watch. People who are shifty, nervous, furtive, acting strange in whatever manner, these are all tip-offs that can warrant an individual to be more alert. Evolution has primed us to notice what's out of place, and intelligence has developed trends as to how specific types of criminals display before they commit.

Granted, our TSA does it poorly, our cops worse, but Isreal, IIRC, has made an art of it. A show of force and a keen eye for warning signs.



Bullshiat.

The Israelis don't "profile", they merely have a nationwide policy of identifying and singling-out persons who are non-Israeli and non-Jewish, and they then further scrutinize by race, national origin, religion, gender, age, political affiliation, dress, and behavior, and then discriminate against those with a "high score".

Justice, equality, fraternity, diversity. That's their motto.

We Americans could learn a thing or two from the Israelis.
 
2013-07-17 03:25:43 AM

I Browse: For what it's worth (and again, this is a black person saying this)...I don't think any of these protests are going to amount to much or change anything. Because even if you repeal Stand Your Ground laws (won't happen) or restrict gun ownership (keep dreaming)...you still won't cure what is at the root of profiling, and that's fear and distrust.


...btw

I've had you favorited for quite awhile.  I appreciate your opinion and value your perspective.  It's obvious you try to be reasonable and sincere.  In an anonymous online forum where decorum is voluntary I consider your contribution highly respectable.
 
2013-07-17 03:40:37 AM
Elegy:

You've been rising in my favorites tab for the past two days. If you keep posting such well reasoned, level headed, and intelligent responses, I'm going to have to create a whole new category just for you.

I think you speak truthfully about why this is such a hard issue for black americans. If I may presume to speak on the general views of white americans for a moment.... (pardon the essay response).

The claim that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin really sticks in the caw of white people. Other than the basic lack of knowledge about the facts of the case itself, I think this - coupled with the claim that Zimmerman was a racist - is the major point of contention that white people are having with the whole #JusticeforTrayvon movement, myself included.

The public reaction to this case has largely been an exercise in disbelief and frustration on the parts of whites, at least those that I have talked to about the case. Southern white people - especially those of a more moderate or liberal stripe - take claims of racism seriously, and as a consequence they will actually take the time to judge whether or not a person's history supplies merit to those claims before weighing in on the issue. Most of the white people I have talked to about the case were initially ...



Elegy...I appreciate the nice words, and the thought and reason you put into your post. I hear your frustration and I do see your points. I agree that it's unfair to paint Zimmerman as a racist. It's not a term I throw around loosely because I adhere to the real meaning of the word. What I do believe is that Zimmerman has some prejudices (as most of us do). That doesn't make him evil, it makes him human. We all have a tendency to prejudge.

And I get that there were burglaries in his neighborhood committed by young black males (which would explain his suspicion upon seeing Martin). Still...those other burglars weren't Trayvon Martin, and that's what often sucks about profiling. The actions of those who look like you are held against you, whether you did anything to warrant it or not. It's hard to explain how much that can grate on you unless you've experienced it. And when it happens to you over and over again...sometimes it only takes a tiny spark to ignite a fire (i.e. "What are you doing here? Where are you going?")

I obviously have no idea what Zimmerman and Martin said to each other or what was going through their minds. None of us do. And I really have no interest in arguing the details of the case. It's been done ad nauseum. At this point, I'm only interested in the takeaway from this incident and how people will act (and react) going forward. My hope is that cooler heads will prevail the next time two people find themselves in a similar situation...but I have my doubts.
 
2013-07-17 03:45:26 AM
Frederick:

...btw

I've had you favorited for quite awhile.  I appreciate your opinion and value your perspective.  It's obvious you try to be reasonable and sincere.  In an anonymous online forum where decorum is voluntary I consider your contribution highly respectable.



Thanks, and right back at you.
 
2013-07-17 08:33:05 AM
DROx

Cool story bro!
 
2013-07-17 09:14:39 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: I Browse: But what it really boils down to is the initial call to the police, and why Zimmerman made it.

Meh.
He made a call because he saw what he thought was suspicious behavior.
You, nor anyone else, know whether or not Martin was exhibiting suspicious behavior.
He had a good track record of calls to 911 and he called it correctly about Martin's drug use.
And before you try the race card, he didn't even sound positive that Martin was black based on his answer to 911 when they asked him about race.


Glad to see you don't know wtf you're talking about...as usual.
 
2013-07-17 09:36:19 AM
This wouldn't have happened had NBC not edited the 911 calls.
 
2013-07-17 10:05:17 AM

Amos Quito: The Israelis don't "profile", they merely have a nationwide policy


I was talking about airport security.
 
2013-07-17 11:19:59 AM

Owangotang: All I heard when the Tea Party thing happened was "You cannot judge the whole movement on the oh-so tiny few who bring racist signs to a protest!" Surely the same courtesy and understanding that these rioters do not represent the majority of folks upset over the Zimmerman verdict will be extended, right?

Right?


When the Tea Partiers start breaking windows, beating up people, burning cars, and ransacking Walmart's get back with me, will ya?
 
2013-07-17 11:50:53 AM
To I Browse and Elegy:

Thank you for the calm and frank discussion. It is nice to follow the reasonable exchange of thoughts and opinions, which is not an everyday event on any online forum.

Thank you for stating many of the things that others (including myself) have running through their heads, even though not all of us are able to take the time to share them here.

Carry on...
 
2013-07-17 12:25:42 PM
Nothing wrong with profiling in and of itself.  Racial profiling, yeah, that's obviously wrong, but we can't even prove that's the case here.

That's like saying free speech is great, except for bad speech some people don't like.
 
2013-07-17 01:04:21 PM

doubled99: Nothing wrong with profiling in and of itself.  Racial profiling, yeah, that's obviously wrong, but we can't even prove that's the case here.

That's like saying free speech is great, except for bad speech some people don't like.


You sound under educated. What you are doing is equivocating one with the other, without regard to the fact that they have different meanings. Racial profiling is not the same as the kind of profiling security organizations are supposed to use.  It is based on skin color and nothing else.  The other forms of profiling take into consideration behavior, regardless of skin color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offender_profiling
 
2013-07-17 03:29:29 PM

omeganuepsilon: Amos Quito: The Israelis don't "profile", they merely have a nationwide policy

I was talking about airport security.



And I was being sarcastic.

Israel is about the most racist, hypocritical, profiling nation on the planet - and their shameless bigotry is not restricted to airports, but pervades virtually every aspect of life.

See "JEWS ONLY ROADS", bus lines, neighborhoods, etc.
 
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