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(Talking Points Memo)   Great Britain set to legalize gay marriage as bill passes final hurdle. Still proves that we're more backward then a people who have yet to discover modern dentistry   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 44
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2013-07-16 10:38:03 AM
But the USA is the leader of freedom and equality!
 
2013-07-16 11:06:14 AM
My state has had marriage equality for almost six years.
 
2013-07-16 11:32:18 AM
We are also more backward THAN a people, but you know, who f*cking cares about proper grammar anymore.
 
2013-07-16 11:33:35 AM
wait...what? several states have had gay marriage for awhile now.

this makes Iowa more liberal than the UK.
 
2013-07-16 11:33:37 AM

Aarontology: My state has had marriage equality for almost six years.


No, it has not. Same sex marriages in any state do not confer the same benefits that heterosexual marriages do.
 
2013-07-16 11:35:03 AM
who have yet to discover the funds to pay for modern dentistry
FIFY
 
2013-07-16 11:35:09 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-07-16 11:40:08 AM
Or not as depraved.
 
2013-07-16 11:45:35 AM
img5.imageshack.us
Imagine a world where the father of computing science, that won WW2, wasn't pressured and disgraced into suicide.
 
2013-07-16 11:50:46 AM
Haven't been to London and Scotland more than a few times in recent years, we have a completely outdated idea of what British teeth are like.  I don't know the numbers, but the completely anecdotal evidence I've collected (looking at and talking to people) while living in Europe and south of the Mason-Dixon tells me that teeth are much worse in the Carolinas and Florida than in the UK.

As far as the actual story, good for them.  It's a matter of time before we do it too, and the more of our contemporary countries that do it the more pressure we'll feel to catch up.  Then again, we still haven't caught up with them in terms of health care, and were 50 years or so late banning slavery (which they didn't have to have a war over to accomplish).
 
2013-07-16 11:51:56 AM

Raharu: [img5.imageshack.us image 300x347]
Imagine a world where the father of computing science, that won WW2, wasn't pressured and disgraced into suicide.


Imagine a world where America had the moral authority to criticize any other country on social equality and mistreatment of minorities.
 
2013-07-16 11:53:55 AM

Shadowknight: Having been to London and Scotland more than a few times in recent years,


Fixed that for me.  Damn autocorrect on my phone is a bit overzealous.
 
2013-07-16 11:54:46 AM

Shadowknight: Then again, we still haven't caught up with them in terms of health care, and were 50 years or so late banning slavery (which they didn't have to have a war over to accomplish).


On pretty much all social issues, America's image when seen from the rest of the Western world is of a country that is late to the party while constantly congratulating itself on its leadershipness and freedomosity. Very odd.
 
2013-07-16 11:56:45 AM

Shadowknight: It's a matter of time before we do it too


about a quarter of the country already has
 
2013-07-16 12:02:02 PM

czetie: Shadowknight: Then again, we still haven't caught up with them in terms of health care, and were 50 years or so late banning slavery (which they didn't have to have a war over to accomplish).

On pretty much all social issues, America's image when seen from the rest of the Western world is of a country that is late to the party while constantly congratulating itself on its leadershipness and freedomosity. Very odd.


Backward on civil rights but self-congratulatory about being so forward-thinking, authoritarian but self-congratulatory about liberty and a police state but self-congratulatory about being a free and open society. In most of the rest of the first world, people talk about the US the same way Americans talk about China.
 
2013-07-16 12:04:16 PM

Raharu: [img5.imageshack.us image 300x347]
Imagine a world where the father of computing science, that won WW2, wasn't pressured and disgraced into suicide.


From the US:

The North Carolina Senate rejected a plan to compensate victims of a mass sterilization plan that targeted mostly poor minorities for decades in the 20th century.
On Wednesday, Senate Republicans refused to support the measure put forth by the House to set aside $10 million in the state budget for compensation, which would have given victims $50,000 each. The move would have made North Carolina the first state to compensate eugenics victims.

"I'm sorry that it happened," Sen. Don East told the Raleigh-based News and Observer. "I just don't think money fixes it."
From 1929 to 1974, an estimated 7,600 people were sterilized by consent, coercion or without their knowledge as a part of the North Carolina Eugenics Board program, according to the N.C. Justice for Sterilization Victims Foundation. The office estimates that up to 1,800 victims are still living, and 146 have been verified so far.
 
2013-07-16 12:04:17 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: a police state


lol
 
2013-07-16 12:27:14 PM

bdub77: We are also more backward THAN a people, but you know, who f*cking cares about proper grammar anymore.


That's because we're more backward. Duh.
 
2013-07-16 12:44:36 PM
 
2013-07-16 12:49:38 PM
The Queen might have reservations about the gay marriage bill. What if Prince Harry wants to marry a guy?
 
2013-07-16 12:52:42 PM

Funk Brothers: The Queen might have reservations about the gay marriage bill. What if Prince Harry wants to marry a guy?


Then you just end up with two Princess. What's the problem?
 
2013-07-16 01:08:18 PM
I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?
 
2013-07-16 01:12:27 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?


Kill yourself.
 
2013-07-16 01:20:52 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?


How can a 13 year old be over 18? Your question is illogical.
 
2013-07-16 01:26:07 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?

Kill yourself.


That's what I thought.  The "just because it's icky to most people doesn't mean it should be illegal" argument, and the "animals are found to do this in nature" argument are just that, they are arguments, and not what you actually believe yourself.  You don't care about equality, or freedom unless it's for the "oppressed flavor of the month".
 
2013-07-16 01:27:14 PM

gshepnyc: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?

How can a 13 year old be over 18? Your question is illogical.


13 and 13, legal
13 and 18 prison.

It wasn't very complicated.
 
2013-07-16 01:34:49 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?


18 is an adult, a 13 year old isn't. it's pretty widely known that the minds of a 13 year old and an 18 year old are not equal.

and your "argument" is like saying "if i can have sex with my wife when we're both drunk and not go to jail, it's discrimination if i can't fark that passed out cheerleader."
 
2013-07-16 01:39:34 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: gshepnyc: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?

How can a 13 year old be over 18? Your question is illogical.

13 and 13, legal
13 and 18 prison.

It wasn't very complicated.


Ok, see, it's pretty simple.  To protect easily fooled and impressionable kids from predatory adults, we make laws against acting in a predatory manner.  But to do this, we need a universal, if not slightly arbitrary, cut-off age to count as adulthood.  We have deemed that to me 18 in our country, for the most part.

So, an 18 year old convincing a 13 year old to have sex is considered a crime.  A kid that age is easily convinced to do stupid things and is easily taken advantage of.  But in the case of homosexuality and homosexuals being married, it is two consenting adults making a legally binding...

You know what?  It's easier to just assume you're a troll.  You know why this is different.  And if you don't, for real, it means you're a creepy perv looking to find a way to have sex with a 13 year old and have it be justified.  Either way, I'd rather not be talking to you anymore.
 
2013-07-16 01:45:30 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: That's what I thought.  The "just because it's icky to most people doesn't mean it should be illegal" argument, and the "animals are found to do this in nature" argument are just that, they are arguments, and not what you actually believe yourself.  You don't care about equality, or freedom unless it's for the "oppressed flavor of the month".


It's not icky, actually, it's a felony. There's a big difference, and failing to understand that big difference is what led arguments like this to the firing squad for a quick, efficient execution back in June.
 
2013-07-16 01:50:18 PM

log_jammin: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?

18 is an adult, a 13 year old isn't. it's pretty widely known that the minds of a 13 year old and an 18 year old are not equal.

and your "argument" is like saying "if i can have sex with my wife when we're both drunk and not go to jail, it's discrimination if i can't fark that passed out cheerleader."


Do gays justify their lifestyle because "it's natural and animals do it"?  Yes.
Do animals also mate with other animals that are very young?  Yes.
Does the same rationale apply in both cases, according to the gay rights supporters? No.
Well, your reasoning here is really just "because it's the law".  Are gays trying to change the law for their activities? Yes.
Are they going to support the same for the pedos?  No.
Are they hypocrites for that. Yes.

Do what you want, but stop pretending you people care about freedom and equality, because when it comes to those you disagree with, you don't.  Yet, when someone says they don't support gay marriage, people like you call them a bigot.  Your side is just riddled with hypocrisy.
 
2013-07-16 01:51:20 PM

Lutrasimilis: led arguments like this to the firing squad for a quick, efficient execution back in June.


I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-07-16 01:55:08 PM
Whelp, time to update the ol' ignore list. I'm certainly not gonna argue with such an obvious troll, only UTTER IDIOTS would do that.

Hint hint.
 
2013-07-16 01:55:13 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: I have no idea what you're talking about.


I was just referring to the people that tried to use floppy false equivalencies of that sort when arguing on behalf of DOMA and Prop 8.

You know, like suggesting that they should be able to marry their dogs now.

Fail.
 
2013-07-16 01:57:27 PM

Shadowknight: You know what?  It's easier to just assume you're a troll.  You know why this is different.  And if you don't, for real, it means you're a creepy perv looking to find a way to have sex with a 13 year old and have it be justified.  Either way, I'd rather not be talking to you anymore.


The third option is that I'm pointing out that you're just as farked up as each other.  Also, fine, don't talk to me.  It's not like I have the slightest respect for the vast majority of you, in fact, I'm pretty sure one of you is this guy.
 
2013-07-16 01:59:00 PM

Lutrasimilis: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I have no idea what you're talking about.

I was just referring to the people that tried to use floppy false equivalencies of that sort when arguing on behalf of DOMA and Prop 8.

You know, like suggesting that they should be able to marry their dogs now.

Fail.


Do you think there's not people who want to marry their dogs?
 
2013-07-16 02:03:37 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Do you think there's not people who want to marry their dogs?


Many of the DOMA/Prop 8 defenders seemed pretty keen on it, yeah. But I suppose they will probably have to form their own Man-Dog Love Association.
 
2013-07-16 02:04:13 PM
Have fun beating that straw man.
 
2013-07-16 02:04:56 PM
Hey, I'm from Kentucky.  We ARE a people who have yet to discover modern dentistry.
 
2013-07-16 02:13:40 PM

log_jammin: Have fun beating that straw man.


He's actually stepped up the quality of his trolling quite a bit. You should see the kind of stuff he used to post.
 
2013-07-16 02:52:09 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: log_jammin: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?

18 is an adult, a 13 year old isn't. it's pretty widely known that the minds of a 13 year old and an 18 year old are not equal.

and your "argument" is like saying "if i can have sex with my wife when we're both drunk and not go to jail, it's discrimination if i can't fark that passed out cheerleader."

Do gays justify their lifestyle because "it's natural and animals do it"?  Yes.


No.Homosexuals point out that homosexuality occurs in nature as a counter example to the argument that anti-gay campaigners use when they say that "homosexuality is unnatural." It's of course not necessary to do this because it's a flawed argument anyway (naturalistic fallacy).
 
2013-07-16 03:30:02 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The third option is that I'm pointing out that you're just as farked up as each other.  Also, fine, don't talk to me.  It's not like I have the slightest respect for the vast majority of you, in fact, I'm pretty sure one of you is this guy.


Troll it is, then.
 
2013-07-16 08:03:10 PM

YourOwnMedicine: No.Homosexuals point out that homosexuality occurs in nature as a counter example to the argument that anti-gay campaigners use when they say that "homosexuality is unnatural."


It applies to both or it applies to neither.
 
2013-07-16 10:46:57 PM

bdub77: We are also more backward THAN a people, but you know, who f*cking cares about proper grammar anymore.


GREAT BRITAIN! READING IS FOR CIGARETTES, EH WOT!
 
2013-07-17 12:25:22 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: log_jammin: BraveNewCheneyWorld: I'm wondering what farkers think.  If two 13 year olds can have sex without going to jail, is it age discrimination if one of them can't be over 18?

18 is an adult, a 13 year old isn't. it's pretty widely known that the minds of a 13 year old and an 18 year old are not equal.

and your "argument" is like saying "if i can have sex with my wife when we're both drunk and not go to jail, it's discrimination if i can't fark that passed out cheerleader."

Do gays justify their lifestyle because "it's natural and animals do it"?  Yes.
Do animals also mate with other animals that are very young?  Yes.
Does the same rationale apply in both cases, according to the gay rights supporters? No.
Well, your reasoning here is really just "because it's the law".  Are gays trying to change the law for their activities? Yes.
Are they going to support the same for the pedos?  No.
Are they hypocrites for that. Yes.

Do what you want, but stop pretending you people care about freedom and equality, because when it comes to those you disagree with, you don't.  Yet, when someone says they don't support gay marriage, people like you call them a bigot.  Your side is just riddled with hypocrisy.


Pretty sure that's going off the deep end if I've ever seen it.
 
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