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(Talking Points Memo)   Busiest abortion clinic in Virginia forced to close due to a bunch of dicks   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 228
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2013-07-16 10:24:08 AM
I hope someday one of these dicks is going to get into trouble and find out there is no where to turn.  Then have them trying to explain why their case is different from all the sluts.
 
2013-07-16 10:34:23 AM
The good news is that with the close of abortion clinics, new Genital Mutilation facilities are popping up everywhere. The free market is simply responding to increased demand.
 
2013-07-16 11:00:23 AM
Force them to move and require a special permit, then refuse to grant special permit. Classic.
 
2013-07-16 11:31:45 AM
"But the permit was denied because officials said there was not adequate parking. "

Sorry about your constitutional rights, folks, but the parking is just something we cannot budge on!  The regulations on parking are super-clear, laid out by our town council and that definitely supersedes any "constitution" or whatever you call it.

I may be insane, but really think that there's going to be a major lawsuit, perhaps under equal protection terms, by abortion providers being singled out among medical practitioners as suddenly needing to be full, surgical suites when many other comparable practices can operate out of store fronts.
 
2013-07-16 11:40:38 AM

factoryconnection: I may be insane, but really think that there's going to be a major lawsuit, perhaps under equal protection terms, by abortion providers being singled out among medical practitioners as suddenly needing to be full, surgical suites when many other comparable practices can operate out of store fronts.


I think all dentist offices need to be full surgical suites. So do grocery stores, where at a moment's notice someone could be bludgeoned to death with a gallon of whole milk, and there are no medical doctors to surgically repair the internal bleeding. So do laundromats, you know just in case you're laundering some circular saws and they fly out during the spin cycle and decapitate your fat retarded face.
 
2013-07-16 11:53:47 AM

bdub77: I think all dentist offices need to be full surgical suites.


No good.  They actually do surgery at those places, so it wouldn't meet their "we just made this up on the fly" standard.

I don't read a lot of WND or other Christian, conservative infotainment sites.  Have I missed the studies that were posted that document the massive trend of abortion patients dying in walk-in clinics or just after treatment that this "surgical suite" requirement that's making the rounds of all republican-led legislatures nationwide?  I'm aware of the Kermit Gosnell disaster, but that was one clinic.
 
2013-07-16 11:54:54 AM
yay! more kermit gosnells!
 
2013-07-16 12:17:27 PM
Read that as Bustiest...  was confused
 
2013-07-16 12:19:13 PM
Government so small it fits in a vagina!
 
2013-07-16 12:19:37 PM

factoryconnection: I may be insane, but really think that there's going to be a major lawsuit, perhaps under equal protection terms, by abortion providers being singled out among medical practitioners as suddenly needing to be full, surgical suites when many other comparable practices can operate out of store fronts.


Well, one thing is for sure:  at least we know we can depend on the AMA to take a firm stand in support of doctors to perform a constitutionally guaranteed procedure, to stand up for the sanctity of the doctor/patient relationship, and to affirm their position as the defenders of safe medicine for all Americans.
 
2013-07-16 12:20:40 PM
frontpagemag.com

Don't worry ladies, there is no war on women.
 
2013-07-16 12:21:25 PM
I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.
 
2013-07-16 12:22:55 PM

Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.


So Republicans think regulations are bad unless they are for women's clinics that provide abortions.  Fascinating.
 
2013-07-16 12:24:49 PM
American Taliban Legislating morality through theocracy
 
2013-07-16 12:25:04 PM

Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.


Regulations on banking - bad.
Regulations on women's health care providers - good.
 
2013-07-16 12:26:47 PM
Government regulating banking practices so the economy doesn't collapse on itself...again - Socialism!

Government regulating vaginas because of what I imagine to be written in my magical book - Freedom!
 
2013-07-16 12:26:50 PM

Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.


Are you really this obtuse or do you just play one on TV?
 
2013-07-16 12:27:03 PM

Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.


Depends...maybe their proposed site really didn't have sufficient parking.  If that's the case, then that's really on the clinic and their consultants doing a poor job at site selection.  If anything, I pity the planning department for wandering into the middle of that shiatstorm.

"Stormwater treatment!?!?  This is an outrage against our constitutional rights!!! "

Just not enough info the make a call one way or the other, as it is also very possible that this was a political maneuver to shut them down.  It has been the theme for the ProLife crowd over the last couple years.
 
2013-07-16 12:27:06 PM
Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the welfare system and voting Democrat.
 
2013-07-16 12:27:19 PM

Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.


Care to expound? These clinics already have to abide by the same regulations most businesses operate under, add to that they are already regulated under exisiting laws governing medical clinics. The new regulations are transparently designed to make it difficult, if not impossible, to operate. They do not make them safer in any meaningful way.
 
2013-07-16 12:27:40 PM

Pincy: Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.

Are you really this obtuse or do you just play one on TV?


He could just be a scumbag. That is a possibility.
 
2013-07-16 12:28:00 PM

DarwiOdrade: Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.

Regulations on banking - bad.
Regulations on women's health care providers - good.


/shakes tiny fist

I need to refresh before posting stuff.
 
2013-07-16 12:28:04 PM
Furthering the goal of making abortions so expensive and difficult to obtain that only the daughters of wealthy conservatives can get them. Stay classy VA.
 
2013-07-16 12:30:06 PM
Aren't you glad they are so "pro-business" and "small government" that they force businesses to close and move out of the state?
 
2013-07-16 12:32:45 PM

Maturin: They do not make them safer in any meaningful way.


Montana's (or was it ND's?) Supremem Court agrees.

// ironic that by passing all of these laws, they may make it EASIER for women to get access to health care when SCs strike them down
// these laws do not become more powerful when stricken down, Star Warpublicans...
 
2013-07-16 12:34:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: Maturin: They do not make them safer in any meaningful way.

Montana's (or was it ND's?) Supremem Court agrees.

// ironic that by passing all of these laws, they may make it EASIER for women to get access to health care when SCs strike them down
// these laws do not become more powerful when stricken down, Star Warpublicans...


In the meantime though we've got dozens of clinics shutting down all across the country.
 
2013-07-16 12:35:39 PM

EvilEgg: I hope someday one of these dicks is going to get into trouble and find out there is no where to turn.  Then have them trying to explain why their case is different from all the sluts.


You're kidding me right?  It happens all the time.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-16 12:35:54 PM
Laser focus on jobs!
Keep those evil (non-Christian) religious rules out of our lives!
Small Government!
Health of women!
Freedom and liberty!

/believing this stuff takes a certain amount of willful ignorance that I can't fathom embracing
 
2013-07-16 12:37:10 PM

Granny_Panties: Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the no longer extant welfare system and voting Democrat starving to death.


We're talking about enormous human costs that will extend beyond just shelling out a few bucks.  We're talking about extraordinary crime spikes, people dying in the streets, preventable communicable diseases increasing, and no one benefiting.   One can even imagine this driving an increase in republican voters as the United States actually backslides into being a real third world country with no prospects whatsoever.
 
2013-07-16 12:37:47 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Dr Dreidel: Maturin: They do not make them safer in any meaningful way.

Montana's (or was it ND's?) Supremem Court agrees.

// ironic that by passing all of these laws, they may make it EASIER for women to get access to health care when SCs strike them down
// these laws do not become more powerful when stricken down, Star Warpublicans...

In the meantime though we've got dozens of clinics shutting down all across the country.


Exactly. Abortion clinics aren't huge cash makers and once they go out of business the people running them will go out and find other jobs. If the SCOTUS reverses the law in 3-5 years these people won't be in a position to drop everything and go open up a new clinic again.
 
2013-07-16 12:41:52 PM
Coming soon: Busiest back alley in Virginia!
 
2013-07-16 12:42:23 PM

ikanreed: Granny_Panties: Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the no longer extant welfare system and voting Democrat starving to death.

We're talking about enormous human costs that will extend beyond just shelling out a few bucks.  We're talking about extraordinary crime spikes, people dying in the streets, preventable communicable diseases increasing, and no one benefiting.   One can even imagine this driving an increase in republican voters as the United States actually backslides into being a real third world country with no prospects whatsoever.


Let them eat cake!
 
2013-07-16 12:42:53 PM

Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.


Are these the same BS regulations Vasectomy Clinics have to endure?
 
2013-07-16 12:44:08 PM

Granny_Panties: Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the welfare system and voting Democrat.


Unwanted children like this would probably end up as GOP politicians.
 
2013-07-16 12:44:51 PM

ikanreed: Granny_Panties: Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the no longer extant welfare system and voting Democrat starving to death.

We're talking about enormous human costs that will extend beyond just shelling out a few bucks.  We're talking about extraordinary crime spikes, people dying in the streets, preventable communicable diseases increasing, and no one benefiting.   One can even imagine this driving an increase in republican voters as the United States actually backslides into being a real third world country with no prospects whatsoever.


Hell, even the Biblical god saw a role for abortion in society.

This is about social control. A way to secure generations of success for their businesses and their families.
 
2013-07-16 12:45:24 PM
Republicans are simply attempt to provide adequate healthcare to women following the passage of Obamacare.
 
2013-07-16 12:45:58 PM
But it's for the children!

Too soon?

I'm so confused.
 
2013-07-16 12:47:20 PM
March through the South and put it to the torch. They've forgotten the lessons of history and need a refresher.
 
2013-07-16 12:48:25 PM

Carth: Abortion clinics aren't huge cash makers and once they go out of business the people running them will go out and find other jobs. If the SCOTUS reverses the law in 3-5 years these people won't be in a position to drop everything and go open up a new clinic again.


Which is why these cases typically come with an injunction to stop the state from enforcing the law until SC hears it. This is how these cases have gone in Arkansas and in ND (law later stricken) this year; previously in SD, in Kansas (ibid), in Missouri (ibid)...
 
2013-07-16 12:54:11 PM

Lord_Baull: Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.

Are these the same BS regulations Vasectomy Clinics have to endure?



If men could get pregnant abortion would be a holy Sacrament.
 
2013-07-16 12:55:24 PM

factoryconnection: I may be insane, but really think that there's going to be a major lawsuit, perhaps under equal protection terms, by abortion providers being singled out among medical practitioners as suddenly needing to be full, surgical suites when many other comparable practices can operate out of store fronts.


I doubt an equal protection claim on that basis would fly, being that abortion clinics and dentists providing different medical procedures and therefore already have different requirements (your dentists nurse doesn't need to know how to run a sonogram for example).

However - an equal protection claim based on exactly what they were denied a permit for - not having adequate parking - could certainly be argued.  All they'd have to do is find one other place of business that also failed to meet that requirement and wasn't closed.
 
2013-07-16 12:55:34 PM

Bontesla: ikanreed: Granny_Panties: Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the no longer extant welfare system and voting Democrat starving to death.

We're talking about enormous human costs that will extend beyond just shelling out a few bucks.  We're talking about extraordinary crime spikes, people dying in the streets, preventable communicable diseases increasing, and no one benefiting.   One can even imagine this driving an increase in republican voters as the United States actually backslides into being a real third world country with no prospects whatsoever.

Hell, even the Biblical god saw a role for abortion in society.

This is about social control. A way to secure generations of success for their businesses and their families.


Numbers 5: 12-28 -- yep...God was pretty okay with abortion in the case of adultery.  I can't remember the Farker who threw this out in one of these threads, but I'm thankful because I use it like a cudgel against the fundies.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:07 PM
The comments on TFA are as scary as any yahell story.

It's really too bad people cannot separate legislating by the constitution and legislating by their religion/morality.  The two are not the same.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:35 PM

Granny_Panties: Most of the babies the GOP is forcing women to have are going to end up in the welfare system and voting Democrat.


I am going to run with this theme when I am with my pro-life associates.  Stand by for derp explosion.
 
2013-07-16 12:58:45 PM
Virginia's notorious for a special Bully-based Schadenfreud Delighting in the suffering of "not our people" is increased by causing it.

Back in the day, when Virginia religious leaders needed to be licensed by a government agency, the Church of England, the Baptists of all people got thrown in prison. That Virginia attitude was remedied by the religious protection clause in the US Constitution.

Once an ass, always an ass.
 
2013-07-16 01:07:16 PM

Nuclear Monk: Cataholic: I find the howling from the left interesting now that these clinics are having to put up with a lot of the same BS regulations that a lot of other businesses have to endure.

Depends...maybe their proposed site really didn't have sufficient parking.  If that's the case, then that's really on the clinic and their consultants doing a poor job at site selection.  If anything, I pity the planning department for wandering into the middle of that shiatstorm.

"Stormwater treatment!?!?  This is an outrage against our constitutional rights!!! "

Just not enough info the make a call one way or the other, as it is also very possible that this was a political maneuver to shut them down.  It has been the theme for the ProLife crowd over the last couple years.


"Very possible?" Really? Ya think?
 
2013-07-16 01:10:35 PM
Well, if those sluts would stop putting out, it wouldn't be so much of a problem.  This is the kind of shiat that's going to happen when you legalize gay marriage.  If the Supreme Court would just legislate on the Constitution instead of their twisted, warped so-called 'morality', people wouldn't be getting abortions at all.
 
2013-07-16 01:14:25 PM
images2.dailykos.com
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-16 01:16:27 PM

palelizard: Well, if those sluts would stop putting out, it wouldn't be so much of a problem.  This is the kind of shiat that's going to happen when you legalize gay marriage.  If the Supreme Court would just legislate on the Constitution instead of their twisted, warped so-called 'morality', people wouldn't be getting abortions at all.


ohyou.jpg
 
2013-07-16 01:16:46 PM

factoryconnection: Have I missed the studies that were posted that document the massive trend of abortion patients dying in walk-in clinics or just after treatment that this "surgical suite" requirement that's making the rounds of all republican-led legislatures nationwide?  I'm aware of the Kermit Gosnell disaster, but that was one clinic.


No, you haven't missed much.  In Kansas, they started coming up with things beyond even the 'normal day-surgery' requirements.  Like, 'sizes of closets' rules unique to abortion providers and only abortion providers.

At that point, there's really no reason to bother modifying your clinic to meet the new standard.  If you do, the goalposts will, inevitably, move six months later.

BTW - Abortion rates are actually higher in the Central American countries that have 100% bans on abortion than they are in any US state.  It's just that most of the abortion providers look like Gosnell's clinic.
 
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