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(Snipe London)   News: Mayor of London signs deal with Dubai-owned airline to sponsor cross-river cable car. Not News: Contract bans criticism of the deal. Fark: Contract bans selling the cable car to, or doing business with, Israelis   (snipelondon.com) divider line 198
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2013-07-16 10:28:17 AM
I'd say something but I guess I could be charged with a crime for my comment.
 
2013-07-16 10:28:38 AM
Well, given the ethnic composition of modern London, I would imagine his constituency supports the no Israelis part.
 
2013-07-16 10:28:53 AM
This will probably blow up in the Brits faces....

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2013-07-16 10:30:25 AM
So I have to use my American passport not Israeli to ride on it?
 
2013-07-16 10:31:35 AM
Oh, this will end well.
 
2013-07-16 10:33:40 AM
It's not news that the deal can't be criticized?  That sounds like a pretty big deal to me.
 
2013-07-16 10:34:22 AM
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It's always the Jews / Israel's fault everything is wrong in the world... don't you know a country w/8 million people the size of Rhode Island in the middle of a desert, controls EVERYTHING in the world!
Good thing the Jew loving Londoners would never subscribe to such a racist form of thinking... since antisemitism is dead in Europe thanks to post-racial equality and people's ever-loving kindness.
 
2013-07-16 10:34:59 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Oh, this will end well.


Yeah, I'm pretty farking sure that the next Mayor will do thing #1 and speak out against such contracts, or at least I hope he will. This BS of trying to buy silence as a condition of business is Crap, and gag clauses need to be deemed unenforceable.
 
2013-07-16 10:35:55 AM

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It's always the Jews / Israel's fault everything is wrong in the world... don't you know a country w/8 million people the size of Rhode Island in the middle of a desert, controls EVERYTHING in the world!
Good thing the Jew loving Londoners would never subscribe to such a racist form of thinking... since antisemitism is dead in Europe thanks to post-racial equality and people's ever-loving kindness.


Holy shiat that bish is better looking WITH the hood on *shudder*
 
2013-07-16 10:36:48 AM
You also can't book a flight on Saudi Arabian Airlinen with an Israeli passport.
 
2013-07-16 10:37:29 AM
Deal can't be criticized? That is a weird one.

But most of the deals like these has restrictions as to not resell to this or that country or many other country restrictions like that (usually imposed by the firm's country government). So, if they prefer to put Israel on that list, why is that a problem?

/Why is that Israel must be treated differently than any other country?
 
2013-07-16 10:37:37 AM
How the fark can the Mayor of London, or a Dubai-owned airline for that matter, "ban criticism"? The stupid...it burns.
 
2013-07-16 10:37:46 AM
At common law, a present day politician cannot pass a law (or sign a contract) which is binding upon future politicians. The only way to bind future politicians is a constitutional change (given this is the UK, I suppose the change would be creating a constitution).

While the lawyers who structured the deal might hope they've avoided the prohibition on binding future politicians by building it as some kind of a penalty clause, rather than an actual prohibition, my money is on the clause being found unenforceable on public policy rational.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:14 AM
I tend to be middle of the road on the Israel-Arab hating each other thing, but this is pretty juvenile. You guys need to GTFU.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:38 AM

Honest Bender: It's not news that the deal can't be criticized?  That sounds like a pretty big deal to me.


To me that seems like it would be standard for this kind of deal.  I doubt the New York Mets ownership can criticize Citibank or that the New England Patriots can criticize Gillette (the sponsors for their stadiums).  It's just that, in this particular case, it's the government that owns the building (or whatever) being named, so the contract precludes certain government officials from criticizing it.  It really doesn't seem that crazy.
 
2013-07-16 10:41:16 AM

give me doughnuts: You also can't book a flight on Saudi Arabian Airlinen with an Israeli passport.


I think there are dozens of countries that does not recognize Israeli passport.
 
2013-07-16 10:42:37 AM

NostroZ: It's always the Jews / Israel's fault everything is wrong in the world... don't you know a country w/8 million people the size of Rhode Island in the middle of a desert, controls EVERYTHING in the world!


So what you're saying is that Israel is of no consequence to the world and it wouldn't matter if it simply ceased to exist? That might not be the line of thinking that you really want to push given certain other geopolitical realities.
 
2013-07-16 10:43:50 AM
FTFA: Johnson - who as mayor is the chairman of TfL - claimed in 2010 the cable car would be built "entirely from private finance". But the Emirates deal covers only just over half its costs - and the way it is structures means it will have only paid out £13.2m so far.

This is actually the most disturbing part. Why would you want a major's cable car any other executive perk funded by ANYTHING other than entirely public funds? This is just corruption waiting to happen, and I'd say its happened already.
 
2013-07-16 10:44:10 AM
It's interesting how differently Brits seem to view what became of Mandatory Palestine, compared to how Americans view it.

I'd almost say that they don't really like Israel.
 
2013-07-16 10:44:45 AM
YEA ISLAM!!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!

/Londonstan
 
2013-07-16 10:45:50 AM

mayIFark: I think there are dozens of countries that does not recognize Israeli passport.


Problem is many take it way beyond that and won't let you enter the country if your passport is from a country they recognize but has an Israeli stamp in it. At least Israel (usually) will let you in with a Iranian stamp in your passport though they might harass you for the better part of a day first.
 
2013-07-16 10:46:24 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: This will probably blow up in the Brits faces....

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I see what you did there.
 
2013-07-16 10:46:32 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Johnson - who as mayor is the chairman of TfL - claimed in 2010 the cable car would be built "entirely from private finance". But the Emirates deal covers only just over half its costs - and the way it is structures means it will have only paid out £13.2m so far.

This is actually the most disturbing part. Why would you want a major's cable car any other executive perk funded by ANYTHING other than entirely public funds? This is just corruption waiting to happen, and I'd say its happened already.


What? I can't wet my beak?
 
2013-07-16 10:47:36 AM

mayIFark: Deal can't be criticized? That is a weird one.


It's not weird when you realize the UAE has a KING.  Just like in Thailand, it is illegal to insult the king.  In this case, it extends to the whole country / company of the UAE / the Saudi family.

mayIFark: But most of the deals like these has restrictions as to not resell to this or that country or many other country restrictions like that (usually imposed by the firm's country government). So, if they prefer to put Israel on that list, why is that a problem?


Which similar deals cut out other countries that the United Arab Emirates or Arab League Nations do NOT recognize, besides Israel?
- Only because in a room of 100 people 27 of them hate/do not recognize the Jewish state does not make that ANY LESS insulting, racist, and exclusionary purely based on race/religion.  (Arab league members would be those 27 people)

mayIFark: /Why is that Israel must be treated differently than any other country?


I'd like to ask you the same question...  why does the UAE not recognize Israel?  Or Pakistan recognize Israel, yet they recognized Northern Sudan in a heartbeat?
The answer might be A LOT SIMPLER than you're making it out to be.
 
2013-07-16 10:48:28 AM

sendtodave: It's interesting how differently Brits seem to view what became of Mandatory Palestine, compared to how Americans view it.I'd almost say that they don't really like Israel.


Are you suggesting that colonialism can have far reaching global consequences?

Perish the thought.
 
2013-07-16 10:50:26 AM

PartTimeBuddha: Somacandra: FTFA: Johnson - who as mayor is the chairman of TfL - claimed in 2010 the cable car would be built "entirely from private finance". But the Emirates deal covers only just over half its costs - and the way it is structures means it will have only paid out £13.2m so far.

This is actually the most disturbing part. Why would you want a major's cable car any other executive perk funded by ANYTHING other than entirely public funds? This is just corruption waiting to happen, and I'd say its happened already.

What? I can't wet my beak?


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Sees what you did there.
 
2013-07-16 10:53:20 AM

NostroZ: Or Pakistan recognize Israel, yet they recognized Northern Sudan in a heartbeat?


No one recognizes Northern Sudan. They recognize Sudan and South Sudan. There is no such country as Northern Sudan.

mayIFark: But most of the deals like these has restrictions as to not resell to this or that country or many other country restrictions like that (usually imposed by the firm's country government).


Wal-Mart pulls this crap in the US all the time though it's competitors that the land can never be sold to instead of specific countries. Many towns have several old Wal-Mart buildings that the company outgrew sitting there decaying because of stupid crap like this. In this case it's funny because I doubt there's a huge group of Israeli investors sitting around wanting desperately to buy a cable car. Guess they could get some symbolic trill out of it but really it's just a way of saying "neener neener neener".
 
2013-07-16 10:53:39 AM
Or what?
 
2013-07-16 10:54:34 AM

Somacandra: sendtodave: It's interesting how differently Brits seem to view what became of Mandatory Palestine, compared to how Americans view it.I'd almost say that they don't really like Israel.

Are you suggesting that colonialism can have far reaching global consequences?

Perish the thought.


Well, it was always "colonized," really.  Did you know that until it was taken by the British from the Ottoman Empire, it was held under Muslim rule for almost 1300 years?

I'd say a drastic change like that would also have some consequences.

As for the Brits, I can't tell if they are bitter about losing territory, or they just plain don't like Israel.  They typically seem to side with Palestinians.

Actually, at least as far as media goes, I can't think of any that really support Israel, other than US based outlets.

Just kinda weird once you get outside the US media bubble to find that out.
 
2013-07-16 10:54:41 AM

mayIFark: Deal can't be criticized? That is a weird one.

But most of the deals like these has restrictions as to not resell to this or that country or many other country restrictions like that (usually imposed by the firm's country government). So, if they prefer to put Israel on that list, why is that a problem?

/Why is that Israel must be treated differently than any other country?


No.  Unless it has some high tech or export restricted things there is ususally no limit.
 
2013-07-16 10:55:54 AM

mayIFark: Why is that Israel must be treated differently than any other country?


You might want to read up on the recent history of the British and Ottoman Empires sometime. You'll probably learn something if you're paying attention.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:04 AM

EngineerAU: NostroZ: It's always the Jews / Israel's fault everything is wrong in the world... don't you know a country w/8 million people the size of Rhode Island in the middle of a desert, controls EVERYTHING in the world!

So what you're saying is that Israel is of no consequence to the world and it wouldn't matter if it simply ceased to exist? That might not be the line of thinking that you really want to push given certain other geopolitical realities.


No, that is what YOU are shoving in my mouth with your hyperbolic extremist only black/white view.

I can speak for myself, thank you very much.
And what I said was a joke about how some people view Israel as this LOOMING LARGE force, when the reality is they are TINY.  The people who make that statement are looking for excuses to scapegoat their failed life.
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Does Israel look BIG to you on the map?  Yet, to all the countries in Orange (Arab League members mostly & other autocratic states, with little freedom of religion or speech or women's rights)
Funny how even in London they bow down to the bigots; as long as they have the $$$.

If morality and values of equality are only there when it is convenient and dropped at the sight of profit, then they are not values.
Then the people who take that money / sign that deal, have no morals.  To shake hands on a racist deal that cuts freedom of speech to the bone, is pathetic.
Thank god we're not British!  Those boot licking limey's would eat Saudi shyat and call it chocolate if they got $$$ for it.
 
2013-07-16 10:58:21 AM

EngineerAU: mayIFark: I think there are dozens of countries that does not recognize Israeli passport.

Problem is many take it way beyond that and won't let you enter the country if your passport is from a country they recognize but has an Israeli stamp in it. At least Israel (usually) will let you in with a Iranian stamp in your passport though they might harass you for the better part of a day first.


Yes, I know. But I don't know how to feel about it, though. On one had, you make people suffer who has nothing to do with their government policies (they may actually disagree with it, for both sides). On the other hand, when you have a statement to make, make it the strongest but civil way you can.
 
2013-07-16 11:00:14 AM

sendtodave: As for the Brits,


The Jewish Lehi (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) and Irgun (National Military Organization) movements initiated violent uprisings against the British Mandate in 1940 and 1944 respectively. On 6 November 1944, Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zuri (members of Lehi) assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the British Minister of State for the Middle East and the assassination is said by some to have turned British Prime Minister Winston Churchill against the Zionist cause.

Oh. Well, I guess there's that.
 
2013-07-16 11:01:35 AM

sendtodave: Well, it was always "colonized," really.  Did you know that until it was taken by the British from the Ottoman Empire, it was held under Muslim rule for almost 1300 years?


Yes, I am all too aware of this. All colonialisms are not the same. The cycles of cultural building and degeneration under the Byzantine Empire, the early Caliphates, the Ottomans and the British are well documented. Each of them was quite different. The effects of the Byzantine to Caliphate transformation had a lot of time to settle. The seismic geopolitical shifts under late Ottoman, British and the whole 1947 thing--not so much. Of course you see this playing out in the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh conflicts since 1947 too, but U.S. media has had much less interest in that area until recently.
 
2013-07-16 11:03:46 AM

sendtodave: As for the Brits, I can't tell if they are bitter about losing territory, or they just plain don't like Israel.  They typically seem to side with Palestinians.


Think it has to do with 800+ British killed in Israeli terror attacks between 1945 - 1948
 
2013-07-16 11:05:25 AM

sendtodave: The Jewish Lehi (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) and Irgun (National Military Organization) movements initiated violent uprisings against the British Mandate in 1940 and 1944 respectively. On 6 November 1944, Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zuri (members of Lehi) assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the British Minister of State for the Middle East and the assassination is said by some to have turned British Prime Minister Winston Churchill against the Zionist cause.


Ah yes, Yigal Amir had his reactionary predecessors as well.
 
2013-07-16 11:06:31 AM

sendtodave: Somacandra: sendtodave: It's interesting how differently Brits seem to view what became of Mandatory Palestine, compared to how Americans view it.I'd almost say that they don't really like Israel.

Are you suggesting that colonialism can have far reaching global consequences?

Perish the thought.

Well, it was always "colonized," really.  Did you know that until it was taken by the British from the Ottoman Empire, it was held under Muslim rule for almost 1300 years?

I'd say a drastic change like that would also have some consequences.

As for the Brits, I can't tell if they are bitter about losing territory, or they just plain don't like Israel.  They typically seem to side with Palestinians.

Actually, at least as far as media goes, I can't think of any that really support Israel, other than US based outlets.

Just kinda weird once you get outside the US media bubble to find that out.


Or, the other way around, if you get in the bubble and say to yourself WTF?
 
2013-07-16 11:10:46 AM
NostroZ:
It's not weird when you realize the UAE has a KING.  Just like in Thailand, it is illegal to insult the king.  In this case, it extends to the whole country / company of the UAE / the Saudi family.

UAE/Dubai are funny... trying so hard to be civilized and on par with the developed world.  But in reality they're just a bunch of medieval peasants with a lot of money, no responsibility, no intention of making their society's prosperity universal or sustainable... and the same vicious ethnic prejudices their forefathers had all along.

It's not like Arabs are genetically incapable of being intelligent or rational or decent.  I've personally known all of those.  It's just that anyone with power in the Arab world is invariably a total shiat.
 
2013-07-16 11:11:17 AM

MinkeyMan: sendtodave: As for the Brits, I can't tell if they are bitter about losing territory, or they just plain don't like Israel.  They typically seem to side with Palestinians.

Think it has to do with 800+ British killed in Israeli terror attacks between 1945 - 1948


i think they got their revenge when they refused to let a bunch of jews in to the mandate area before and durring ww2 which led indirectly to their deaths
 
2013-07-16 11:13:26 AM
Hey, a cable-car system is what put Ogdenville and North Haverbrook on the map.

/Is there a chance the wires could go 'pew'?
//Not on your life, you dirty Jew.
 
2013-07-16 11:13:45 AM
I hope the Israelis don't have a problem with this. After all, they are elitist and exclusionary too.
 
2013-07-16 11:17:49 AM

No Such Agency: NostroZ:
It's not weird when you realize the UAE has a KING.  Just like in Thailand, it is illegal to insult the king.  In this case, it extends to the whole country / company of the UAE / the Saudi family.

UAE/Dubai are funny... trying so hard to be civilized and on par with the developed world.  But in reality they're just a bunch of medieval peasants with a lot of money, no responsibility, no intention of making their society's prosperity universal or sustainable... and the same vicious ethnic prejudices their forefathers had all along.

It's not like Arabs are genetically incapable of being intelligent or rational or decent.  I've personally known all of those.  It's just that anyone with power in the Arab world is invariably a total shiat.


The Arab people are the link between Africa and the modern civilization of Greece.  They invented algebra and chess for god-sakes.  Their food is delicious and their customs of hospitality legendary.

Yet, when it comes to the people in POWER over there... it's tribal... it's old school way of 'teaching' to respect the king, obey them, and continue to uphold this un-democratic structure.
 
2013-07-16 11:20:22 AM

MinkeyMan: sendtodave: As for the Brits, I can't tell if they are bitter about losing territory, or they just plain don't like Israel.  They typically seem to side with Palestinians.

Think it has to do with 800+ British killed in Israeli terror attacks between 1945 - 1948


Pretty sure most Brits don't give much of a fark either way.

If pushed I suspect most of us see Hamas as some sort of dreadful Israeli tribute act; trying to establish a state via pointless acts of terrorism and appealing to the international community about how damn oppressed their people are.

Though I'm sure that if you support either side then there are myriad reasons why that comparison is completely invalid.

As for the cable car, it's a pointless tourist attraction, the Mayor of London can slag off whoever they like and sell the damn thing to whomever they please, the only effect would be that it might break a sponsorship deal in doing so.
 
2013-07-16 11:25:04 AM

No Such Agency: NostroZ:
It's not weird when you realize the UAE has a KING.  Just like in Thailand, it is illegal to insult the king.  In this case, it extends to the whole country / company of the UAE / the Saudi family.

UAE/Dubai are funny... trying so hard to be civilized and on par with the developed world.  But in reality they're just a bunch of medieval peasants with a lot of money, no responsibility, no intention of making their society's prosperity universal or sustainable... and the same vicious ethnic prejudices their forefathers had all along.

It's not like Arabs are genetically incapable of being intelligent or rational or decent.  I've personally known all of those.  It's just that anyone with power in the Arab world is invariably a total shiat.


Studies of children born to relatives (inbred) are indeed genetic mutants, and with arrainged marrages its quite common.
 
2013-07-16 11:31:14 AM
I imagine the glee on the face of City lawyers when they read that. Much like the guy from South Africa who found the Austin real estate deal stipulated no sale to people of African descent.

It's a ruse to get people to be familiar with Dubai enough to criticise. In fact, there may be a second Speakers' Corner in London, directly at the entrance to the cable car, where all the "Yo Mama Jokes" are all the time.
 
2013-07-16 11:31:16 AM
No Such Agency:
It's not like Arabs are genetically incapable of being intelligent or rational or decent. I've personally known all of those. It's just that anyone with power in the Arab world is almost invariably a total shiat.

Had another cup of misanthropy juice and decided to amend my previous post.  Arabs tend to be stuck with extra shiatty ones though.

Joe Blowme:
Studies of children born to relatives (inbred) are indeed genetic mutants, and with arrainged marrages its quite common.

Sorry, science doesn't really back you up there.  You need multiple generations of close inbreeding before you end up with this sort of thing:

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2013-07-16 11:33:30 AM

Honest Bender: It's not news that the deal can't be criticized?  That sounds like a pretty big deal to me.


It's London. They don't have a First Amendment.

/they just don't usually make a big issue of it
//just make sure you read the fine print before you say anything, and leave your sense of humor at home
 
2013-07-16 11:35:13 AM

sendtodave: sendtodave: As for the Brits,

The Jewish Lehi (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) and Irgun (National Military Organization) movements initiated violent uprisings against the British Mandate in 1940 and 1944 respectively. On 6 November 1944, Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zuri (members of Lehi) assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the British Minister of State for the Middle East and the assassination is said by some to have turned British Prime Minister Winston Churchill against the Zionist cause.


Sure does explain why the BBC is anti-Israel, as well as a lot of the blue blooded Brits.

In reading about Lord Moyne's assassination, I could not help but feel that the Palestinian's terrorists try to use this same model (claiming they fight colonizing imperialists)... except that after three generations of people living in a place and with them having no other home, Israel cannot be called an imperialist state.

Also, in the Lord Moyne's case, they went after the highest ranking British official who was undermining a creation of a Jewish state... with Palestinian terrorism, the target is civilians and the purpose is to terrorize (& prove something about how their hate is never ending or something).  Anyway, thank you for the history lesson.  I know that people love to point the finger at Israel and cry in their best six year old voice "they started it first!"

Now I know specifically which few actions seventy years ago have given the moral authority for a group to use the terrorism of civilians as a form of political protest.
 
2013-07-16 11:35:46 AM

No Such Agency: NostroZ:
It's not weird when you realize the UAE has a KING.  Just like in Thailand, it is illegal to insult the king.  In this case, it extends to the whole country / company of the UAE / the Saudi family.

UAE/Dubai are funny... trying so hard to be civilized and on par with the developed world.  But in reality they're just a bunch of medieval peasants with a lot of money, no responsibility, no intention of making their society's prosperity universal or sustainable... and the same vicious ethnic prejudices their forefathers had all along.

It's not like Arabs are genetically incapable of being intelligent or rational or decent.  I've personally known all of those.  It's just that anyone with power in the Arab world is invariably a total shiat.


And it's not like they aren't aware of the issue either.  One day their oil will run out or just become too expensive and where will they be then?  What kind of society will be in place to deal with it?

"My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel"
- Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum, vice president and prime minister of Dubai, 1958 - 1990
 
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