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(Philly.com)   Sports writer annoyed that baseball fans are no longer as outraged as the media over PED use   (philly.com ) divider line 59
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2013-07-16 12:48:56 AM  
Personal Explosive Devices? Finally, a way to make baseball interesting!
 
2013-07-16 01:11:44 AM  
You know who cares about PED use in sports?  Jealous wanna-bes.  It's entertainment.  The players are entertainers paid a huge salary to draw attendance and interest.  Any integrity in the game has always been specious.

I find the labeling of "cheaters" especially telling.  Cheating should be something that happens on the filed of play during the game.

The whole PED negative perception is a legacy of our War on Drugs mentality in the US.  We have been conditioned to equate drugs with bad.  Performance enhancing drugs is called unfair advantage while performance enhancing eye glasses are acceptable.  It's illogical.
 
2013-07-16 01:16:26 AM  
When every scandal is "the worst ever" it's hard to maintain the outrage that every scandal is "the worst ever." Plus, it was a lot easier to notice when you had Barry Bonds suddenly putting on 50 pounds of muscle and gaining nine hat sizes in his mid-30s.

Maybe it's time to start easing in the changes. Let each team have one pitcher and one hitter on an "Anything Goes" list. While the other players are drinking Gatorade and getting B-12 shots these players are drinking irradiated Honey Badger urine and getting half-gallon syringes of synthetic triceratops adrenaline salvaged from an old Soviet "super-soldier" project injected into their testicles.

Think of the strategy! "Oh man, walk this next guy. Yesterday he hit a home run through our middle-reliever's chest cavity. Then we can bring in our closer to throw nine 240-mph curves and get the win."
 
2013-07-16 01:29:00 AM  
Who cares about external defibrillators?
 
2013-07-16 04:07:44 AM  
Well, maybe if you didn't have to bribe the 'roid doctors into giving up their secrets, you might be seen as credible. But your track record over the past 20 years shows otherwise.
 
2013-07-16 04:12:58 AM  

Frederick: Performance enhancing drugs is called unfair advantage while performance enhancing eye glasses are acceptable.


Actually, I'd imagine some sort of pitch deciphering glasses that also pinpoint pitch location would be illegal in baseball. The things that are legal to everyone, everywhere, such as eyeglasses or contact lenses or Lasik surgery, though?

I think the problem is that people are now more accepting of PEDs because every guy over 40 with good insurance now needs testosterone supplements in order to get up in the morning, so they think it's alright. After all, nothing could go wrong when adding unnecessary hormones to one's body.
 
2013-07-16 04:34:54 AM  

puffy999: Frederick: Performance enhancing drugs is called unfair advantage while performance enhancing eye glasses are acceptable.

Actually, I'd imagine some sort of pitch deciphering glasses that also pinpoint pitch location would be illegal in baseball. The things that are legal to everyone, everywhere, such as eyeglasses or contact lenses or Lasik surgery, though?

I think the problem is that people are now more accepting of PEDs because every guy over 40 with good insurance now needs testosterone supplements in order to get up in the morning, so they think it's alright. After all, nothing could go wrong when adding unnecessary hormones to one's body.


So you are saying the problem isnt in the performance enhancing, its with the availability?
 
2013-07-16 04:58:52 AM  
So this guy has been a 'sports' writer for 30+ years and wasnt 'outraged' until everyone but he has held onto his outrage longer than fans so that definitely makes years of turning a blind eye ok?

I feel that journalism in sports suffers greatly (thanks espn), and baseball more than most (as the reporting on the game from the 40s-70s is considered pretty top notch), so bob ford I consider you to be part of the problem and blaming the fans is going to make the entire thing better how?
 
2013-07-16 05:17:20 AM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:
Think of the strategy! "Oh man, walk this next guy. Yesterday he hit a home run through our middle-reliever's chest cavity. Then we can bring in our closer to throw nine 240-mph curves and get the win."

A 240-mph curve would drop about 3/4" from the mound to the plate.  Better off going with the 270-mph heater.
 
2013-07-16 07:15:52 AM  
No one ever was, sportswriter.  The fans didnt make money by "exposing" this crap.

/ no one cares.
// very few actually ever did.  They just want to see mind boggling performance.
 
2013-07-16 07:30:45 AM  
Yet no one holds the owners accountable for turning a blind eye to the problem while it was making them assloads of money in the 90s.
 
2013-07-16 07:33:22 AM  
I am so sick of hearing about PEDs that oing to take some myself.

Everyone should.

Especiallly athletes.
 
2013-07-16 08:02:48 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Mr. Coffee Nerves:
Think of the strategy! "Oh man, walk this next guy. Yesterday he hit a home run through our middle-reliever's chest cavity. Then we can bring in our closer to throw nine 240-mph curves and get the win."

A 240-mph curve would drop about 3/4" from the mound to the plate.  Better off going with the 270-mph heater.


4 seam 240mph curve or 2 seam?
 
2013-07-16 08:28:16 AM  

Frederick: You know who cares about PED use in sports?  Jealous wanna-bes.  It's entertainment.  The players are entertainers paid a huge salary to draw attendance and interest.  Any integrity in the game has always been specious.

I find the labeling of "cheaters" especially telling.  Cheating should be something that happens on the filed of play during the game.

The whole PED negative perception is a legacy of our War on Drugs mentality in the US.  We have been conditioned to equate drugs with bad.  Performance enhancing drugs is called unfair advantage while performance enhancing eye glasses are acceptable.  It's illogical.


8/10
 
2013-07-16 08:39:48 AM  
Writers have always care more about PEDs than fans.
 
2013-07-16 08:44:35 AM  
The fans moved on from the PED outrage.  Why?  Because Bud Selig did years ago, when he didn't put up a fight with the Players Association on stringent drug testing, when the other leagues where already testing for pretty much everything sans HGH.

All this is is baseball writers needing to feel relevant again, because though the interest in the sport may not be dying, people just don't have the vested interest in the "scandal", especially when the scale has been tipped on professional athletes committing bigger crimes, like murdering their friends and trying to cover it up.

And I agree with Troy, the writers have always cared a bit more than the fans, because it created compelling content for them to sell.
 
2013-07-16 08:46:56 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: A 240-mph curve would drop about 3/4" from the mound to the plate. Better off going with the 270-mph heater.


You just need to spin it so hard it starts to come apart in midflight.  Then even if you make contact the ball's not getting out of the infield.
 
2013-07-16 08:48:21 AM  

Troy McClure: Writers have always care more about PEDs than fans.


Let's amend that.  They have to look like they care more than anyone, considering several of them had very good clues about what was going on.  Remember, Steve Wilstein got raked over the coals for daring to publish that story about McGwire's use of andro.
 
2013-07-16 09:03:03 AM  
Sportswriters like these are the worst - the ones who think baseball is "sacred" and all that shiat. It's just another game. Legalize all PEDs and call it good. It might make this Victorian sport watchable.
 
2013-07-16 09:04:44 AM  

Frederick: You know who cares about PED use in sports?  Jealous wanna-bes.  It's entertainment.  The players are entertainers paid a huge salary to draw attendance and interest.  Any integrity in the game has always been specious.

I find the labeling of "cheaters" especially telling.  Cheating should be something that happens on the filed of play during the game.

The whole PED negative perception is a legacy of our War on Drugs mentality in the US.  We have been conditioned to equate drugs with bad.  Performance enhancing drugs is called unfair advantage while performance enhancing eye glasses are acceptable.  It's illogical.


Do people really think it's the performance-enhancing part that is of concern and not the physical damage to the body caused by taking them that is the problem?
 
2013-07-16 09:07:07 AM  
Certainly we can look back in this guy's archives and find articles excoriating the MLB for widespread, condoned methamphetamine use from the 60s through the 80s, right?

Right?
 
2013-07-16 09:08:57 AM  

velvet_fog: Sportswriters like these are the worst - the ones who think baseball is "sacred" and all that shiat. It's just another game. Legalize all PEDs and call it good. It might make this Victorian sport watchable.


Exactly. If some guy making $3 million a year playing a game wants to risk his future health by taking a PED so he can hit 40 homers instead of 30, who gives a fark. There's plenty more to be "outraged" in our society about than a bunch of millionaires taking drugs while playing a game.
 
2013-07-16 09:17:41 AM  
Just maybe some of those people are no longer baseball fans so they're no longer outraged.
 
2013-07-16 09:18:24 AM  
I find it telling that this article came out immediately after the Home Run Derby, arguably the biggest showcase for alleged PED users, which is sanctioned by the league for the money and interest it makes.  It's like raaaaain....
 
2013-07-16 09:20:04 AM  
Since we're allowed to get all revisionist now, I reject even Babe Ruth and Roger Maris as home run kings. The record is Home Run Baker with 12 and no one from the lively ball era on counts. Let's see how many dingers you hit using a single mushy baseball for an entire game, chumps.
 
2013-07-16 09:38:36 AM  
 
2013-07-16 09:38:48 AM  
It's not that we don't care about PEDs, its that we don't care about baseball. But we don't care about PEDs either.

Now who wants to see me hit some dingers?
 
2013-07-16 09:43:47 AM  
They should be more upset baseball is on it's way to being less important than soccer.
 
2013-07-16 09:46:55 AM  

farbekrieg: so bob ford I consider you to be part of the problem and blaming the fans is going to make the entire thing better how?


Now that Bill Conlin is gone, Ford may the worst of all of the Philly sportswriters. (And that's really saying something, given the others.) The guy has been known to write completely opposing columns just a few days apart, while all the time saying that he *knew* X, Y, or Z would happen, even if said thing  isn't actually happening. And yes, blaming the fans seems to be one of his go-to shticks when he's bored.
 
2013-07-16 09:48:39 AM  

Poison: velvet_fog: Sportswriters like these are the worst - the ones who think baseball is "sacred" and all that shiat. It's just another game. Legalize all PEDs and call it good. It might make this Victorian sport watchable.

Exactly. If some guy making $3 million a year playing a game wants has no choice but to to risk his future health by taking a PED so he can hit 40 homers instead of 30, who gives a fark. There's plenty more to be "outraged" in our society about than a bunch of millionaires taking drugs while playing a game.


FTFY.

Also, why does everything have to be either "outrage" or acceptance?  Can't we just say, "The game is not really any different if everyone is using or if no one is using, so just ban it so everyone is safe" and not be excoriated because we haven't solved the firearm-related suicide rate?
 
2013-07-16 09:55:14 AM  
The health issue is the real problem, especially with the thousands of potential users who will never sniff pro sports. But to idiot sportswriters, all that matters is protecting their nostalgia and ignoring things they don't like.
 
2013-07-16 09:55:51 AM  

meanmutton: Do people really think it's the performance-enhancing part that is of concern and not the physical damage to the body caused by taking them that is the problem?


You think the fans give a rat's ass what condition the athletes are in after they retire?
 
2013-07-16 09:59:10 AM  
I`m actually a big fan of benign performance reducing drugs in the evening.  Especially after a long day.
 
2013-07-16 09:59:38 AM  
I stopped caring because either the integrity was NEVER there, or the players have lost all integrity over the years due to the dollars involved and refuse to give up on it. They will CONTINUE to use and abuse the system in smarter and different ways. there is no obviousness about it when some of the highest contracts in baseball are coming out as multi offenders. even after being caught not really caring. just like a psychopath.

So boil it down and make the assumption. if you want to be a pro althlete you MUST cheat and anyone who is, is obviously cheating. anyone who was, was obviously cheating and anyone who will be is going to cheat too. and anyone who denies it has their own interpretation of what they took and the timelines as to what was legal or not on any given date.

TLDR, everyones juicing, who cares, sit back and watch em hit some DINGERS!!
 
2013-07-16 10:03:29 AM  
Let them use steroids.  And let them achieve amazing feats.  And let them get rich.  And let them die young before they ever get to spend their money.  THAT'S entertainment.
 
2013-07-16 10:30:24 AM  

meanmutton: Frederick: You know who cares about PED use in sports?  Jealous wanna-bes.  It's entertainment.  The players are entertainers paid a huge salary to draw attendance and interest.  Any integrity in the game has always been specious.

I find the labeling of "cheaters" especially telling.  Cheating should be something that happens on the filed of play during the game.

The whole PED negative perception is a legacy of our War on Drugs mentality in the US.  We have been conditioned to equate drugs with bad.  Performance enhancing drugs is called unfair advantage while performance enhancing eye glasses are acceptable.  It's illogical.

Do people really think it's the performance-enhancing part that is of concern and not the physical damage to the body caused by taking them that is the problem?


So you think alcohol and cigarettes should be banned, too? They're far worse for you than steroids.

And steroids are not that bad for you if taken responsibly.
 
2013-07-16 10:30:31 AM  
Recently, I've changed my mind about PED use in baseball, or all sports. I used to not really care. If they wanna bulk up, run faster, bike faster, whatever -- take whatever drug you want. BLTC.

But here's the problem: you need a level playing field. You can't make everyone take a PED. The only way to ensure a level playing field is to make sure that no one is taking a PED.

Yes, I am aware that baseball in particular has been plagued with cheating since the beginning. But that doesn't make it right.
 
2013-07-16 10:32:05 AM  
And players have used PEDs since they've been around. Maris was possibly juicing. Ruth was on amphetamines.
 
2013-07-16 10:40:34 AM  

IlGreven: Well, maybe if you didn't have to bribe the 'roid doctors into giving up their secrets, you might be seen as credible. But your track record over the past 20 years shows otherwise.


Its no different than an accomplice to a murder holding out for a lesser sentence.
 
2013-07-16 10:48:54 AM  
I sorta gave a crap years ago because there should be a level playing field, but when congress got involved and started to go on its hunt I would just sit there and facepalm thinking about all the time wasted that should be spent on more urgent public matters.

Nana's Vibrator: Let them use steroids.  And let them achieve amazing feats.  And let them get rich.  And let them die young before they ever get to spend their money.  THAT'S entertainment.


Thats pretty much how I feel about it. What is even funnier is when these guys are in their 40's with the bodies of 80 year olds and come out on TV and say "I had no idea it was that bad for me. There should be laws against it."
 
2013-07-16 10:54:31 AM  
Congress does tons more shiat more unimportant than baseball hearings. It's just that no one cares about 99.9% of it. It's not like they sit around and say "Hmmmm we could effect meaningful change in the country today but nah let's grandstand about baseball instead."
 
2013-07-16 11:26:37 AM  
We're not as outraged because MLB seems to be making a good faith effort in actually getting rid of the cheaters.

/Fark Braun, Arod, etc.
 
2013-07-16 11:26:43 AM  

Mateorocks: The only way to ensure a level playing field is to make sure that no one is taking a PED.


So why is it "level" for someone to have been born with greater ability, and not "level" for someone to have done it with performance-enhancing drugs, which actually ARE available to everyone at that level?

Just curious. To me, it seems like a remnant of religion - "you're permitted to use what God gave you, and man-made assistance is cheating."

/just make a separate non-PED league where everyone has to drug test every day; let's see how well that one works out
//for some reason, people keep suggesting that we make a juicing league...those already exist. The new one would have to be the "pure" league.
 
2013-07-16 11:49:29 AM  

Therion: Personal Explosive Devices? Finally, a way to make baseball interesting!


In Al Jaffee's Basebrawl, the batter is allowed to bring his bat with him as he rounds the bases.

/and use it.
 
2013-07-16 11:59:00 AM  
Any athelete that has eaten meat or drank milk have being taking PED's since they were kids.  There is so much growth horomone in cows everyone is on PED's.
 
2013-07-16 12:04:29 PM  
Wait steroids are bad for you? Well that cinches it then, we can't have people doing things that are physically bad for them and might shorten their livespan to earn money.

/*cough* sorry, got a bit of miner's lung *cough*
 
2013-07-16 12:09:55 PM  

LL316: We're not as outraged because MLB seems to be making a good faith effort in actually getting rid of the cheaters.

/Fark Braun, Arod, etc.


"Good faith" lol. They successfully turned their procedure screwup in Brauns original case to "see he EXTRA cheated to get out of it" and are now using his villain status as justification for their ridiculously overblown biogenesis witch hunt.

Meanwhile writers can't decide whether to glorify Chris Davis on his chase to the REAL (not real) home run record or just assume he's cheating too. Baseball is dumb as hell about all of this.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:27 PM  
Is there PED fatigue among sports fans?

We're tired of it. We're going to go back to making snarky comments about boring incompetent sports writers. It's traditional.
 
2013-07-16 01:20:02 PM  

red5ish: Is there PED fatigue among sports fans?

We're tired of it. We're going to go back to making snarky comments about boring incompetent sports writers. It's traditional.


Perhaps we wouldn't be so tired of it if we just took some PEDs to help us reinvigorate our wrath. Like this guy.
 
2013-07-16 01:37:59 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Meanwhile writers can't decide whether to glorify Chris Davis on his chase to the REAL (not real) home run record or just assume he's cheating too. Baseball is dumb as hell about all of this.


I'm actively rooting against Chris Davis because I don't ever want to hear about Roger Maris again.

/73 is the record, and people need to deal with it
 
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