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2013-07-16 05:42:01 AM

TheJoe03: NickelP: How long does that stuff last in your system?  He seems to self admit to it with the fb/texts.  Or are those not true?

No idea how toxicology reports work with drug testing, I just now about piss tests and stuff. Also, what proof do you have about these fb posts and texts? I keep looking for some proof on Google but the sources are all right wing and have an agenda. The fact that people are seemingly making up reasons to kill this kid is pretty pathetic and disgusting to me. Hell, even if he did drugs, that isn't a reason to kill someone, especially if he wasn't on said drugs when this went down. If he was surely the autopsy and all that would find about it, not some random right wing bloggers.


I have no idea how long it's in the system or if if he had taken it before.  I am just trying to figure out why he would be out in the pouring rain, walk a mile, attack a complete stranger for looking at him within 70 yards of his house.  He's 8 seconds from being home..  Trayvon was an experienced fighter and broke zimmermans nose with the first punch and then proceeded to beat him for 40 seconds.   Zimmerman didn't land a single blow and spent the entire fight on his back.  Why didn't Martin run away after the punch that broke zimmermans nose?  Why didn't Trayvon call his dad if he was scared ("Hey dad, there's this creepy cracka following me, can you come over and pick me up?")  We can't ask him because he's dead.
 
2013-07-16 05:42:05 AM

NickelP: If you have one party that self admits to using a drug causing paranoia and confusion, and seems to have been having trouble procuring said drug, leading to him using knockoffs, that seems relevant.  When the same party has substantiated messages referring to his fights and wanting to fight more because he didn't beat the shiat out of the person enough, and trying to obtain illegal weapons, that certainly also seems relevant.


You have no proof he was high on ANYTHING when this went down, let alone tripping on DXM, you are trying to actively justify his death anyway you can. The fact that Zimmerman was found not guilty should be enough evidence for you but you insist on muddying the waters and accusing this kid of tripping when there is no evidence for your claim. You Zimmerman people talk so much about evidence but now you act like it doesn't matter you have none when you accuse him of being some druggie to make his death seem more justifiable. It's sad to see but that's where we're at in this country.
 
2013-07-16 05:43:35 AM

TheJoe03: NickelP: How long does that stuff last in your system?  He seems to self admit to it with the fb/texts.  Or are those not true?

No idea how toxicology reports work with drug testing, I just now about piss tests and stuff. Also, what proof do you have about these fb posts and texts? I keep looking for some proof on Google but the sources are all right wing and have an agenda. The fact that people are seemingly making up reasons to kill this kid is pretty pathetic and disgusting to me. Hell, even if he did drugs, that isn't a reason to kill someone, especially if he wasn't on said drugs when this went down. If he was surely the autopsy and all that would find about it, not some random right wing bloggers.


I also seem to recall recent stories about some journalist (a reputable one) being charged and facing decades in jail for linking to a bunch of information a hacker obtained from at&t or some other cell phone company.  Even if the information were validated, I can understand why many outlets wouldn't touch it.  More so given their pretty clear bias in this (shiat look at what NBC did and how CNN is handling this).
 
2013-07-16 05:44:32 AM

tbeatty: We can't ask him because he's dead.


And because of that you are making of stories and theories about him being a DXM fiend, because apparently that's the only reason you'd got to the store when it's raining. You have no proof and you are relying on some story that the defense never even brought up and no legit source has confirmed. I'm done with you guys, I know you're stuck with you bias and agenda.
 
2013-07-16 05:46:49 AM

TheJoe03: NickelP: If you have one party that self admits to using a drug causing paranoia and confusion, and seems to have been having trouble procuring said drug, leading to him using knockoffs, that seems relevant.  When the same party has substantiated messages referring to his fights and wanting to fight more because he didn't beat the shiat out of the person enough, and trying to obtain illegal weapons, that certainly also seems relevant.

You have no proof he was high on ANYTHING when this went down, let alone tripping on DXM, you are trying to actively justify his death anyway you can. The fact that Zimmerman was found not guilty should be enough evidence for you but you insist on muddying the waters and accusing this kid of tripping when there is no evidence for your claim. You Zimmerman people talk so much about evidence but now you act like it doesn't matter you have none when you accuse him of being some druggie to make his death seem more justifiable. It's sad to see but that's where we're at in this country.


I didn't say he was tripping.   Someone else denied he used it because it was never brought up from the toxicology reports.  I asked how long it stays in your system and asked if the fb messages were he himself says he used it were valid.  We are discussing the evidence, try to keep up.
 
2013-07-16 05:47:27 AM

tbeatty: TheJoe03: NickelP: How long does that stuff last in your system?  He seems to self admit to it with the fb/texts.  Or are those not true?

No idea how toxicology reports work with drug testing, I just now about piss tests and stuff. Also, what proof do you have about these fb posts and texts? I keep looking for some proof on Google but the sources are all right wing and have an agenda. The fact that people are seemingly making up reasons to kill this kid is pretty pathetic and disgusting to me. Hell, even if he did drugs, that isn't a reason to kill someone, especially if he wasn't on said drugs when this went down. If he was surely the autopsy and all that would find about it, not some random right wing bloggers.

I have no idea how long it's in the system or if if he had taken it before.  I am just trying to figure out why he would be out in the pouring rain, walk a mile, attack a complete stranger for looking at him within 70 yards of his house.  He's 8 seconds from being home..  Trayvon was an experienced fighter and broke zimmermans nose with the first punch and then proceeded to beat him for 40 seconds.   Zimmerman didn't land a single blow and spent the entire fight on his back.  Why didn't Martin run away after the punch that broke zimmermans nose?  Why didn't Trayvon call his dad if he was scared ("Hey dad, there's this creepy cracka following me, can you come over and pick me up?")  We can't ask him because he's dead.


I haven't gotten a good answer on this. Zimmerman is getting the crap beat out of him but doesn't land a single punch but is able to reach behind his nack, unholster his penis compensator, and immediately plugs Martin. Doesn't wave it in his face or use it as a way of getting out of the situation, just *blam".

And yes, convenient we can't ask Martin. Very convenient indeed.
 
2013-07-16 05:49:51 AM

TheJoe03: You have no proof he was high on ANYTHING when this went down


Lots of proof he was high on Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-16 05:52:51 AM

enry: tbeatty: TheJoe03: NickelP: How long does that stuff last in your system?  He seems to self admit to it with the fb/texts.  Or are those not true?

No idea how toxicology reports work with drug testing, I just now about piss tests and stuff. Also, what proof do you have about these fb posts and texts? I keep looking for some proof on Google but the sources are all right wing and have an agenda. The fact that people are seemingly making up reasons to kill this kid is pretty pathetic and disgusting to me. Hell, even if he did drugs, that isn't a reason to kill someone, especially if he wasn't on said drugs when this went down. If he was surely the autopsy and all that would find about it, not some random right wing bloggers.

I have no idea how long it's in the system or if if he had taken it before.  I am just trying to figure out why he would be out in the pouring rain, walk a mile, attack a complete stranger for looking at him within 70 yards of his house.  He's 8 seconds from being home..  Trayvon was an experienced fighter and broke zimmermans nose with the first punch and then proceeded to beat him for 40 seconds.   Zimmerman didn't land a single blow and spent the entire fight on his back.  Why didn't Martin run away after the punch that broke zimmermans nose?  Why didn't Trayvon call his dad if he was scared ("Hey dad, there's this creepy cracka following me, can you come over and pick me up?")  We can't ask him because he's dead.

I haven't gotten a good answer on this. Zimmerman is getting the crap beat out of him but doesn't land a single punch but is able to reach behind his nack, unholster his penis compensator, and immediately plugs Martin. Doesn't wave it in his face or use it as a way of getting out of the situation, just *blam".

And yes, convenient we can't ask Martin. Very convenient indeed.


Maybe you should read the police reports then.  In the process of beating the hell out of him the gun became visible and (according to Zimmerman) Martin went for it, Zimmerman got it first and fired.

Is your argument really that if someone is on top of you, beating the holy fark out of you, and then goes for your gun that you would wave it in their face and try to get out of that situation?  That sounds like a great way to get shot, if you even had a second to think that is, because that has to be all instincts at that point.
 
m00
2013-07-16 05:54:11 AM

TheJoe03: You have no proof he was high on ANYTHING when this went down, let alone tripping on DXM, you are trying to actively justify his death anyway you can.


I can guarantee you he wasn't high on DXM at the time. Like, if the claim was he was high on coke or PCP, fine. But DXM doesn't make you violent. There's a lot of "reefer madness" in this thread.
 
2013-07-16 05:55:33 AM
No.  No one's going to riot about this.  Everyone involved is the kind of complete moron that thinks that trial verdicts can be "protested", there aren't enough IQ points between the lot to manage any kind of real damage.  If they started getting rowdy you could stop the whole crowd by tossing a bit of cardboard with "for funny joke, see other side" written on both sides.
 
2013-07-16 05:56:12 AM

NickelP: http://i.imgur.com/OiGIC.jpg


Lol "posing aggressively with money in his hand". What the fark does that even mean? OH NO BETTER RUN HE HAS MONEY AND MIGHT GIVE YOU A PAPERCUT!!!!
 
m00
2013-07-16 05:57:50 AM

tbeatty: I am just trying to figure out why he would be out in the pouring rain, walk a mile, attack a complete stranger for looking at him within 70 yards of his house.


Because he was a dumb teenager.

This whole ordeal is just a result of a dumb snowflake rebellious teenager who may or may not have been "up to no good" having a run-in with an overweight narcissist who is a crime-fighting superhero in his own mind. It's pretty obvious how it escalated.
 
2013-07-16 05:58:42 AM

A Terrible Human: NickelP: http://i.imgur.com/OiGIC.jpg

Lol "posing aggressively with money in his hand". What the fark does that even mean? OH NO BETTER RUN HE HAS MONEY AND MIGHT GIVE YOU A PAPERCUT!!!!


We were discussing the discussion on the left about the codine, way to ignore the point by focusing on unrelated details.
 
2013-07-16 05:59:15 AM

m00: TheJoe03: You have no proof he was high on ANYTHING when this went down, let alone tripping on DXM, you are trying to actively justify his death anyway you can.

I can guarantee you he wasn't high on DXM at the time. Like, if the claim was he was high on coke or PCP, fine. But DXM doesn't make you violent. There's a lot of "reefer madness" in this thread.


I farking know. This thread is just full of people who know fark all about dxm,DMX or even codeine cough syrup. I've been very,very high on dxm too many times to count and I haven't ever gotten violent with anyone. When I'm on dxm I'm at peace with myself and the universe. Violence would only fark all that up.
/Some of ya'll need to get your asses on Erowid.
 
2013-07-16 05:59:50 AM

omeganuepsilon: Cobblestone Flag: The way that Stand Your Ground works in Florida is a wickedly screwed up thing that has lead to a number of strange court cases in recent years.

You do know this case wasn't all that strange(ie criminals getting off free) right?  Guy was getting his head beat into the sidewalk.

Cobblestone Flag: the fact that this was something that could have easily been avoided

Stop.  Yes, stop right there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias#Judicial_system
Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along effect or creeping determinism, is the inclination to see events that have already occurred as being more predictable than they were before they took place.
...
Hindsight bias results in being held to a higher standard in court. The defense is particularly susceptible to these effects since their actions are the ones being scrutinized by the jury. Due to the hindsight bias, defendants will be judged as being capable of preventing the bad outcome.[37] Though much stronger for the defendants, hindsight bias also affects the plaintiffs. In cases where there is an assumption of risk, hindsight bias may contribute to the jurors perceiving the event as riskier due to the poor outcome. This may lead the jury to feel that the plaintiff should have exercised greater caution in the situation. Both of these effects can be minimized if attorneys put the jury in a position of foresight rather than hindsight through the use of language and timelines. Encouraging people to explicitly think about the counterfactuals was an effective means of reducing the hindsight bias.[38] In other words, people became less attached to the actual outcome and were more open to consider alternative lines of reasoning prior to the event. Judges involved in fraudulent transfer litigation cases were subject to the hindsight bias as well, resulting in an unfair advantage for the plaintiff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historian's_fallacy
The historian's fallacy is an informal fallacy that occurs when one assumes that decision makers of the past viewed events from the same perspective and having the same information as those subsequently analyzing the decision.

These things, in this case, work in the favor of the prosecution, and against the defense.  And it is why the laws are written as they are, to attempt to remove cognitive bias, and to allow self defense, rendering that not guilty verdict you think people lean on too much.


I concede your point. This isn't the best example of a "strange stand your ground case." I was kind of just airing grievance regarding how poorly written it is and it allows strange things to happen like people getting off the hook for gang violence (non-sequiter I know). Like I said, based on the information available and the nature of Florida law, it was pretty clear he was going free...or at least getting nothing more than manslaughter.

Though, now that I think of it, you completely misunderstand what I meant about Leaning on a Not-Guilty Verdict. I mean that in regard to people that were rooting for Zimmerman blindly, without being introspective to the fact that his decisions leading up to the fisticuffs were completely the result of his own actions. I just mean lay-people, especially those in this case who thought Zimmerman did absolutely nothing wrong, equate Not Guilty with Completely Absolved from Wrongdoing in the Court of Public Opinion, which it absolutely is not.

I have no issue with the way that the jurors ruled or the concept of only guilty if Beyond Reasonable Doubt. I just didn't make myself clear enough.

I did appreciate your thorough reply however.
 
2013-07-16 06:00:13 AM

NickelP: We were discussing the discussion on the left about the codine, way to ignore the point by focusing on unrelated details.


I just found that funny and by the way it's spelled codeine.
 
2013-07-16 06:01:26 AM

A Terrible Human: /Some of ya'll need to get your asses on Erowid


LOL.

m00: This whole ordeal is just a result of a dumb snowflake rebellious teenager who may or may not have been "up to no good" having a run-in with an overweight narcissist who is a crime-fighting superhero in his own mind. It's pretty obvious how it escalated.


That's what I think too, this whole thing was so easily avoidable, that's the sad part for me.
 
2013-07-16 06:03:52 AM

TuteTibiImperes: That's a pretty delayed riot.  If they were passionate about it this would have started Saturday night.  This is about some people who maybe like the idea of a riot in theory, but are all too chickenshiat to start one themselves.  This will disperse on its own.


Like I stated in another thread, the verdict was read on Saturday night. They were all too busy gettin' thay drunk on to riot.
The reason for the delay,lack of passion, is they're still hungover.
 
2013-07-16 06:08:31 AM

A Terrible Human: m00: TheJoe03: You have no proof he was high on ANYTHING when this went down, let alone tripping on DXM, you are trying to actively justify his death anyway you can.

I can guarantee you he wasn't high on DXM at the time. Like, if the claim was he was high on coke or PCP, fine. But DXM doesn't make you violent. There's a lot of "reefer madness" in this thread.

I farking know. This thread is just full of people who know fark all about dxm,DMX or even codeine cough syrup. I've been very,very high on dxm too many times to count and I haven't ever gotten violent with anyone. When I'm on dxm I'm at peace with myself and the universe. Violence would only fark all that up.
/Some of ya'll need to get your asses on Erowid.


Oh I generally agree with that, but I do think really any drugs (or alcohol) make a person slightly less predictable.  If that person is already known to be a violent individual then adding them to the mix seems relevant when you are trying to determine how likely they were to start a fight with a stranger.
 
2013-07-16 06:15:47 AM

TheJoe03: blottoman: I think cali is still itchy. Been awhile since Rodney King.

Thank God I live in San Jose, nobody riots over anything here. Maybe if SOPA/PIPA passed we might, but we kind of don't care for it. We let Frisco and Oakland do the rioting for us while we got nerds doing the Anonymous type stuff that actually seems to have a bigger impact.

/perhaps some brutality against the Vietnamese or Mexican community could spark an ethnic based riot, but I don't think that's ever happened yet.


You haven't been downtown during Cinco de Mayo have you.
 
2013-07-16 06:22:00 AM
What's the current disposition of the Korean shop owners?  That's how I judge the threat level of a riot.  Those guys don't fark around.
 
2013-07-16 06:22:55 AM

Zizzowop: You haven't been downtown during Cinco de Mayo have you.


All the time, never seen a riot. When did the word riot end up meaning drunken brawls?
 
2013-07-16 06:32:41 AM

tbeatty: thisisyourbrainonFark:
"Nothing good has come of this whole situation. Nothing."


Well, Trayvon's dead.  Can't overlook that.

/If you really think anything else you said resembles facts, you need to go look again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bF-Ax5E8EJc


That's pretty funny, that guy's not biased at all is he-'a possible' drug dealer because he was suspended for having a bag with nothing in it. If that makes you a drug dealer, then call me Scarface.
 
2013-07-16 06:36:05 AM
I still remember all the riots that started after OJ was acquitted...  oh, wait...
 
2013-07-16 06:49:51 AM

Great Janitor: I really hope that I never have to use lethal force to defend myself, and if so, let it be a white guy I kill.  I don't want to be in a situation where I end up having to kill a black man to save my life and spend the remainder of my years defending myself from those who call me a racist and a murderer while refusing to accepting any possible evidence that it really was just self defense.


You're a racist or even thinking it and a redneck wanna be cop pussy for having a tool to do it.

You can't win with some crowds.
 
2013-07-16 06:55:00 AM

TheJoe03: Zizzowop: You haven't been downtown during Cinco de Mayo have you.

All the time, never seen a riot. When did the word riot end up meaning drunken brawls?


Probably the same time a pullover became a hoodie.

/yes, drunken brawls, but riot in the headline sounds so much better.
 
2013-07-16 06:59:51 AM

NickelP: Maybe you should read the police reports then. In the process of beating the hell out of him the gun became visible and (according to Zimmerman) Martin went for it, Zimmerman got it first and fired.


You mean the police report with information from the only surviving participant?  Great job there, CSI: Utica.

Is your argument really that if someone is on top of you, beating the holy fark out of you, and then goes for your gun that you would wave it in their face and try to get out of that situation? That sounds like a great way to get shot, if you even had a second to think that is, because that has to be all instincts at that point.

I have no MMA nor any kind of martial arts experience, but I can easily toss someone sitting on top of me who I outweigh by 100 lbs.  I can also hit back.  As you say, instinct kicks in.  Most people would try to get away from the situation - hit back, toss the person on top of you.  Zimmerman did neither.  His instinct was to reach behind his back, unholster and whip out 'ol Bessie, aiming, and firing.
 
2013-07-16 07:00:04 AM
Is the failure to have massive rioting a scandal yet?
 
2013-07-16 07:00:23 AM
What I really want to know after all this, seriously now, could Farkus have shot and killed Ralphie after their fight, 'cause it's pretty similar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvijyBIgazE

I mean come on, that was just a life threatening asswhopin right there.
 
2013-07-16 07:04:29 AM
The LAPD has a stellar record for peacekeeping. Be safe out there.
 
2013-07-16 07:11:01 AM
hoodie count: 4.  in July.  in LA.

Not sayin, just sayin.
 
2013-07-16 07:14:27 AM
If he was on DXM, Zimmerman could have waited a second or two after the punch was thrown to dodge it. That's the stupidest theory I've heard of so far.
 
m00
2013-07-16 07:17:49 AM

enry: I have no MMA nor any kind of martial arts experience, but I can easily toss someone sitting on top of me who I outweigh by 100 lbs. I can also hit back. As you say, instinct kicks in. Most people would try to get away from the situation - hit back, toss the person on top of you. Zimmerman did neither. His instinct was to reach behind his back, unholster and whip out 'ol Bessie, aiming, and firing.


yeah, the pictures of Martin put out there by the media were several years old. The dude was 17, but the media put out pictures of him as 14. I'm about 180 with a "former athlete" build, but if some 17 year old assaulted me and I had a gun, I'd use it. This isn't some adolescent kid body we're talking about. This is 95% fully grown adult male.
 
2013-07-16 07:18:23 AM
Empty H: They look like a very lazy riot

Well, it's comprised of black folk
 
m00
2013-07-16 07:19:24 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If he was on DXM, Zimmerman could have waited a second or two after the punch was thrown to dodge it. That's the stupidest theory I've heard of so far.


yeah and it would be about a minute from when Martin decided he should throw a punch until the arm actually moved. and then he would say "why...am...I...punch...you"
 
2013-07-16 07:23:58 AM

m00: enry: I have no MMA nor any kind of martial arts experience, but I can easily toss someone sitting on top of me who I outweigh by 100 lbs. I can also hit back. As you say, instinct kicks in. Most people would try to get away from the situation - hit back, toss the person on top of you. Zimmerman did neither. His instinct was to reach behind his back, unholster and whip out 'ol Bessie, aiming, and firing.

yeah, the pictures of Martin put out there by the media were several years old. The dude was 17, but the media put out pictures of him as 14. I'm about 180 with a "former athlete" build, but if some 17 year old assaulted me and I had a gun, I'd use it. This isn't some adolescent kid body we're talking about. This is 95% fully grown adult male.


And here we see what's wrong with this country.

/seriously, you're scared of a 17 year old?
 
2013-07-16 07:24:35 AM
LAPD will go into tactical alert with full on riot gear for a guy chalking a sidewalk.
 
2013-07-16 07:24:54 AM
Nothing like taking all the gains you've made over the past couple of years, and flushing them down the toilet. What a proud moment in black history.
 
2013-07-16 07:25:29 AM

Doctor Funfrock: "did I leave a cigarette burning?"


Oh Bill. You are missed.
 
2013-07-16 07:28:22 AM

enry: /seriously, you're scared of a 17 year old?


I sure as hell would be.  Have you seen a 17 y/o lately? Particularly one who works out?  If I remember correctly the kid had MMA training or somesuch.  If he was training MMA then yes, at 17 he'd definitely have the advantage over me, a 31 y/o average guy with no fight training of any kind.

/unless you count watching Kung Fu movies.
 
2013-07-16 07:30:24 AM

Kimpak: enry: /seriously, you're scared of a 17 year old?

I sure as hell would be.  Have you seen a 17 y/o lately? Particularly one who works out?  If I remember correctly the kid had MMA training or somesuch.  If he was training MMA then yes, at 17 he'd definitely have the advantage over me, a 31 y/o average guy with no fight training of any kind.

/unless you count watching Kung Fu movies.


BS, the Zimmerman's dad was Jewish meaning he taught ZImmerman Jewjitsu
 
2013-07-16 07:30:24 AM

enry: m00: enry: I have no MMA nor any kind of martial arts experience, but I can easily toss someone sitting on top of me who I outweigh by 100 lbs. I can also hit back. As you say, instinct kicks in. Most people would try to get away from the situation - hit back, toss the person on top of you. Zimmerman did neither. His instinct was to reach behind his back, unholster and whip out 'ol Bessie, aiming, and firing.

yeah, the pictures of Martin put out there by the media were several years old. The dude was 17, but the media put out pictures of him as 14. I'm about 180 with a "former athlete" build, but if some 17 year old assaulted me and I had a gun, I'd use it. This isn't some adolescent kid body we're talking about. This is 95% fully grown adult male.

And here we see what's wrong with this country.

/seriously, you're scared of a 17 year old?


It really depends on what that 17 year-old is doing.

Do you really think that it's impossible for a 17 year-old male to be a physical threat to anyone? Even when they shoot a baby in the face?
 
2013-07-16 07:31:59 AM

Kimpak: enry: /seriously, you're scared of a 17 year old?

I sure as hell would be.  Have you seen a 17 y/o lately? Particularly one who works out?  If I remember correctly the kid had MMA training or somesuch.  If he was training MMA then yes, at 17 he'd definitely have the advantage over me, a 31 y/o average guy with no fight training of any kind.

/unless you count watching Kung Fu movies.


The most intelligent comment I've read the past week. I mean that as a compliment not snark.
 
2013-07-16 07:32:18 AM
The apologists in this thread are farking mind blowing.

racist tweet against blacks....OMFG LOOK AT THAT!11111

Blacks rioting in Crenshaw....... meh, look at this duck

Seriously, ya'll farking hilarious.
 
2013-07-16 07:32:32 AM
So many disappointed racists. This just isn't panning out for you guys.
 
2013-07-16 07:35:48 AM
Well the media wanted their riots, now they got them.
 
2013-07-16 07:36:22 AM

Kimpak: enry: /seriously, you're scared of a 17 year old?

I sure as hell would be.  Have you seen a 17 y/o lately? Particularly one who works out?  If I remember correctly the kid had MMA training or somesuch.  If he was training MMA then yes, at 17 he'd definitely have the advantage over me, a 31 y/o average guy with no fight training of any kind.

/unless you count watching Kung Fu movies.


heili skrimsli:
Do you really think that it's impossible for a 17 year-old male to be a physical threat to anyone? Even when they shoot a baby in the face?

I'm going to guess the two of you are in favor of CCW.
 
2013-07-16 07:37:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So many disappointed racists. This just isn't panning out for you guys.


Hey buddy, looks like you were wrong. This isn't over either, expect more of the same tonight.
 
2013-07-16 07:37:30 AM

indarwinsshadow: Nothing like taking all the gains you've made over the past couple of years, and flushing them down the toilet. What a proud moment in black history.


What the hell are you talking about?  What happened in Los Angeles is nothing.  A few people got out of hand.  But, because those people were black, some among us are eager to label it a riot -- when it wasn't one.  There are riots going on...but, not in Los Angeles.

Here's what's happening RIGHT NOW in Northern Ireland:

i.i.cbsi.com

msnbcmedia.msn.com

cdn2.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

blogs.reuters.com
 
2013-07-16 07:38:08 AM
Okay everyone, stay calm.  I just checked outside and--aside from a dog peeing on some kid's football--all is quiet in flyover country.
 
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