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(Quartz)   K-pop is going k-poop   (qz.com) divider line 72
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2013-07-16 10:31:19 AM

Persnickety: If there's K-pop, does that means there's K-rock, K-lassical and K-rap as well?  Because that would be awesome.


There is definitely K-rap. Interestingly, it's not bad. Not like the crap that J-rap is.
 
2013-07-16 10:33:11 AM
Jeez, I thought they were talking about Kevin Federline for a minute there
 
2013-07-16 10:38:04 AM
Pop sucks worldwide.  There are no exceptions.
 
2013-07-16 10:52:15 AM

TheJoe03: Asians make more garbage music than Americans do, it's stunning.


Two things I know about Asians are they make a ton of bad disposable pop/dance music and they have a lot of virtuosos on violin,piano,etc. So where are the in-betweeners? Where's the Asian version of Queen?
 
2013-07-16 11:04:58 AM
leaving aside any debate about quality, Kpop has an over saturated market.  They are flooding the market with kpop groups and thinking that somehow an overabundance won't be an economic issue.  Kpop stars also take something like 400-600k to train and make presentable.  Although there is profit sharing the costs of choreography, costumes, investment in individual korean youths and so forth are all massive meaning the profit margin is very slim.  To try an recoup the losses they try to get the Kpop stars involved in acting and various shows to bring in more money.  Overall their business model is unsustainable with the costs taking up too much of the revenue.
 
2013-07-16 11:34:24 AM

Persnickety: If there's K-pop, does that means there's K-rock, K-lassical and K-rap as well?  Because that would be awesome.


Not really. A few years ago I got to shoot a Korean punk band that was performing in Tokyo and they complained that Korea's punk scene sucked because it was very, very small. Have heard similar from musician friends in the J-Punk scene who have performed in Korea.

A Korean former classmate of mine from language school does design work for a Korean TV station in Tokyo, mostly covering K-Pop stars. From what she's told me the alternative/indie scene in Korea is so small it might as well be a margin of error.
 
2013-07-16 11:38:36 AM
The sound track to Hell
 
2013-07-16 11:45:24 AM

browntimmy: So where are the in-betweeners? Where's the Asian version of Queen?


It won't be anywhere close to Queen in terms of style, but Yoko Kanno is about as eclectic as it gets.

Jazz composed by Yoko Kanno
Classical composed by Yoko Kanno
J-pop composed by Yoko Kanno. . . except the lyrics are in Russian, Latin and English
If LotR was an anime, again composed by Yoko Kanno

She's also written pretty much everything from conventional BGM to some really WTF stuff.
 
2013-07-16 12:22:03 PM

browntimmy: TheJoe03: Asians make more garbage music than Americans do, it's stunning.

Two things I know about Asians are they make a ton of bad disposable pop/dance music and they have a lot of virtuosos on violin,piano,etc. So where are the in-betweeners? Where's the Asian version of Queen

Aerosmith or Foreigner?

FTFY

Queen were virtuosos, but while I disagree with your example, I agree with your thesis.

There are no middle of the road/long term survivors/county fair circuit bands in either the J-pop or K-pop
world.  As I recall, at least in the world of J-pop, the stars have built-in expiration dates.  Especially the girl
stars:  they stay around for a couple of years, then very publicly meet 'the man of their dreams' and have
a big send off retirement concert so they can live 'happily ever after' with them.
 
2013-07-16 01:15:54 PM

DjangoStonereaver: There are no middle of the road/long term survivors/county fair circuit bands in either the J-pop or K-pop world.


WTF?  There are long-term survivors.  DCT's first #1 single was in 1991.  Their most recent #1 single was in 2008.

You're only talking about the teen idol factory no one here would want to listen to anyway.
 
2013-07-16 01:39:25 PM

dragonchild: DjangoStonereaver: There are no middle of the road/long term survivors/county fair circuit bands in either the J-pop or K-pop world.

WTF?  There are long-term survivors.  DCT's first #1 single was in 1991.  Their most recent #1 single was in 2008.

You're only talking about the teen idol factory no one here would want to listen to anyway.


Shinhwa is a product of SM Entertainment (it's as K-Pop teen idol as you can get), and they've been around for 15 years, even past mandatory military service. They just released an album recently under their own label, and they're still tops on quite a few charts.
 
2013-07-16 02:26:04 PM

Mytch: Pop sucks worldwide.  There are no exceptions.


There is much truth in that statement.
 
2013-07-16 03:10:49 PM

dragonchild: browntimmy: So where are the in-betweeners? Where's the Asian version of Queen?

It won't be anywhere close to Queen in terms of style, but Yoko Kanno is about as eclectic as it gets.

Jazz composed by Yoko Kanno
Classical composed by Yoko Kanno
J-pop composed by Yoko Kanno. . . except the lyrics are in Russian, Latin and English
If LotR was an anime, again composed by Yoko Kanno

She's also written pretty much everything from conventional BGM to some really WTF stuff.


Yoko Kanno is farking amazing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03qBqP2I4p8
 
2013-07-16 03:21:14 PM

browntimmy: TheJoe03: Asians make more garbage music than Americans do, it's stunning.

Two things I know about Asians are they make a ton of bad disposable pop/dance music and they have a lot of virtuosos on violin,piano,etc. So where are the in-betweeners? Where's the Asian version of Queen?


You should check out The Pillows.
Ride on Shooting Star
Blues Drive Monster
Sad Sad Kiddie
 
2013-07-16 03:25:55 PM

browntimmy: Where's the Asian version of Queen?


Vision is the Japanese version of Queen.
 
2013-07-16 03:49:40 PM

DjangoStonereaver: browntimmy: TheJoe03: Asians make more garbage music than Americans do, it's stunning.

Two things I know about Asians are they make a ton of bad disposable pop/dance music and they have a lot of virtuosos on violin,piano,etc. So where are the in-betweeners? Where's the Asian version of Queen Aerosmith or Foreigner?

FTFY

Queen were virtuosos, but while I disagree with your example, I agree with your thesis.

There are no middle of the road/long term survivors/county fair circuit bands in either the J-pop or K-pop
world.  As I recall, at least in the world of J-pop, the stars have built-in expiration dates.  Especially the girl
stars:  they stay around for a couple of years, then very publicly meet 'the man of their dreams' and have
a big send off retirement concert so they can live 'happily ever after' with them.


Kageyama Hironobu has been going strong since 1977
X Japan has been playing music since 1982.
Hamasaki Ayumi has been going since 1994
Amuro Namie has been going since 1992
Janne Da Arc / Acid Black Cherry has been going since 1996

Not every group or person has an expiration date.  Only teen idols.

Your Morning Musume, AKB48, CNBlue etc.  They are equivalent to New Kids on the Block, Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, etc.  They aren't meant to be around forever.  Sometimes you get your Justin Timberlake Michael Jackson or Bobby Brown who can stick around longer than their boy/girl band origin, but the entire music scene isn't throw away, just certain facets.

Anyway, the point of a lot of recent K-pop is to enjoy watching Hyun-a, 2NE1, Girls Generation, etc music videos with the sound muted until a new girl group with a better set of legs comes around.  Then there are groups that will be around a bit longer like Akdong Musician.  It all depends on what you are looking for.
 
2013-07-16 04:18:15 PM
I appreciate the better info on the J- and K-pop world.  All I really know is what I pick up on the fringes of anime fandom,
and that tends to be a rather faddish crowd.

Still doesn't appeal to me, though.
 
2013-07-16 05:14:55 PM
Maybe they should try focusing on music and less on women in skimpy outfits who've had 12 plastic surgery procedures too many?
 
2013-07-16 05:53:02 PM
 
2013-07-16 06:06:32 PM

LewDux: Link

Link/Link/Link


And in response to your first link, there's  this.



/wow, do I miss Amp
 
2013-07-16 06:35:33 PM

Dr.Zom: Here, let me make this thread more interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fPz2y7tEp4

There we go.


Good grief.. the girls were cute but not cute enough to risk an epileptic seizure. Apparently someone had just learned about match cuts and cutting on action in film class.
 
2013-07-16 09:50:01 PM

Dr.Zom: fearmongert: Dr.Zom: Here, let me make this thread more interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fPz2y7tEp4

There we go.

That wasn't interesting at all... show me more?...

Man, you people are hard to please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl19JYqW6MI (Dance performance rehearsal of the previous song, but fun because it's all in one cut.

Take that, you hard to please person!


I never thought a little Asian girl could say the N-word more than Jay-Z or Kanye but you proved me wrong.... x three!
 
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