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(The New York Times)   Patent Troll speaks. Threatens to "go thug" if you ignore him   (nytimes.com) divider line 69
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2013-07-15 05:11:35 PM
Please, please, please pick a fight with NewEgg
 
2013-07-15 05:12:24 PM
scheincommunications.com
 
2013-07-15 05:21:03 PM
I'm not saying Obama should go dispatch some marines and have these patent trolls dragged off to Gitmo, but it's not like they don't deserve it.
 
2013-07-15 05:23:23 PM
Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.
 
2013-07-15 05:25:54 PM

ReverendJynxed: Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.


Nothing amazing about it there is a district in Texas that is infamous for being friendly to patent trolls, i suspect kickbacks.
 
2013-07-15 05:26:28 PM
"In our system, you can't duel, you can't offer to fight in the street, which would be fine with me."

I'd be down with that.
 
2013-07-15 05:26:44 PM
Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.
 
2013-07-15 05:27:34 PM

ReverendJynxed: Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.


There are some very well established reasons for that:

This American Life 441: When Patents Attack!
 
2013-07-15 05:27:56 PM

astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.


Apparently, somebody already holds the patent on contract killing.
 
2013-07-15 05:28:34 PM

astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.


We're getting to that point, I think.

Kill a few patent trolls, and you'll see a big drop in this kind of shiat.

Same goes for bankers.
 
2013-07-15 05:29:46 PM

StoPPeRmobile: "In our system, you can't duel, you can't offer to fight in the street, which would be fine with me."

I'd be down with that.


Yeah, that guy would be shot in the face in a week if it was legal to do so.
 
2013-07-15 05:30:33 PM
Thug problem? Someone send in Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-15 05:31:13 PM

astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.


That's what I was wondering. Corporate Amerikkka is supposed to be this bunch of lawless types who'll exterminate people without compunction if they get in the way, so why is this guy still drawing breath? Have the hitmen that were on retainer been laid off because of the recession?
 
2013-07-15 05:31:35 PM
crossfitfire.com
 
2013-07-15 05:31:40 PM
Perhaps it wasn't his size that encouraged others to beat the snot out of him. Perhaps he's always a punk.
 
2013-07-15 05:32:15 PM
Maybe he can tag team with the mob that's after Zimmerman. Appears to me that the American justice system got pushed down, curb stomped and kicked into the gutter and it's the wild west all over again.
 
2013-07-15 05:32:58 PM

ThatDarkFellow: Thug problem? Someone send in Zimmerman.


Too soon...

/But I'm ashamed to admit I LoL'd
//Patent # 8675304 on "LoL: A method of showing approval of a joke with a lower case 'o' instead of all caps."
 
2013-07-15 05:33:26 PM

grimlock1972: ReverendJynxed: Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.

Nothing amazing about it there is a district in Texas that is infamous for being friendly to patent trolls, i suspect kickbacks.


It isn't kickbacks.  The reasons are three-fold.  First, the juries in Texas are typically patentee friendly and more likely to give large verdicts (patents are analogized to public property, and the "get off my property, or I shoot" stereotype has some basis in fact).  Second, Texas has certain rules set up for patent cases which more-or-less assures a fluid transition to trial (some jurisdictions are black holes for cases, where nothing happens for years).  Third, and IMHO probably most prevalent reason, is inertia.  A decent amount of big money wins came out of the Eastern District of Texas.  As a result, it now carries the mythos of being the holy-grail jurisdiction for patentees so everyone tries to file there.
 
2013-07-15 05:33:37 PM
People on Dark talking about things they don't know about? Since when?
 
2013-07-15 05:33:37 PM
FTFA: "In his telling, he is protecting put-upon inventors. But he may be simply profiteering from a flawed and creaky legal system."

He may be just profiteering off the legal system?? The man makes $25m a year doing what he does. I think it's pretty clear that ALL he is doing is leeching off the broken legal system.
 
2013-07-15 05:34:17 PM

Ajakk: People on Dark talking about things they don't know about? Since when?


Thank you cellphone autocorrect.
 
2013-07-15 05:35:50 PM

SaladMonkey: grimlock1972: ReverendJynxed: Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.

Nothing amazing about it there is a district in Texas that is infamous for being friendly to patent trolls, i suspect kickbacks.

It isn't kickbacks.  The reasons are three-fold.  First, the juries in Texas are typically patentee friendly and more likely to give large verdicts (patents are analogized to public property, and the "get off my property, or I shoot" stereotype has some basis in fact).  Second, Texas has certain rules set up for patent cases which more-or-less assures a fluid transition to trial (some jurisdictions are black holes for cases, where nothing happens for years).  Third, and IMHO probably most prevalent reason, is inertia.  A decent amount of big money wins came out of the Eastern District of Texas.  As a result, it now carries the mythos of being the holy-grail jurisdiction for patentees so everyone tries to file there.


Rational thought begone!
 
2013-07-15 05:36:36 PM
It sounds like the patents he's litigating on behalf of his clients are actually trying to be used by their respective owners, and not just sitting in a portfolio of potential things to sue over. Which would not make him a patent troll in my book.
 
2013-07-15 05:36:57 PM

Hickory-smoked: ReverendJynxed: Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.

There are some very well established reasons for that:

This American Life 441: When Patents Attack!


The follow-up to that was amazing.  They found Chris Crawford... and he's a sleazeball, too.  And Intellectual Ventures sold his patents to a shell company owned almost entirely by... Intellectual Ventures.
 
2013-07-15 05:37:17 PM
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Can Nike sue him for wearing their logo while douchebagging?


StoPPeRmobile: "In our system, you can't duel, you can't offer to fight in the street, which would be fine with me."

I'd be down with that.


I'd be up for someone to pull some spadassinicide on him.

/just learned that term yesterday
 
2013-07-15 05:37:48 PM
Patents have been granted too leniently and interpreted too broadly, so now it's pretty hard to do anything without danger of infringing or at least being threatened over infringing on a patent.

The big companies simply ignore patents and sell their products while treating the lawsuits as an inevitable expense.  The little guys just get screwed.
 
2013-07-15 05:38:29 PM

evilmousse: It sounds like the patents he's litigating on behalf of his clients are actually trying to be used by their respective owners, and not just sitting in a portfolio of potential things to sue over. Which would not make him a patent troll in my book.


Most of IPNavs clients are failed startups. This is the case for 75% of companies that people call patent trolls.
 
2013-07-15 05:39:45 PM
Sounds like he's going after patents that people got and aren't using for whatever reason.

He does have a douche smirk though, so I guess I can see where Subby is coming from.
 
2013-07-15 05:40:05 PM
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-07-15 05:40:57 PM

noitsnot: Patents have been granted too leniently and interpreted too broadly, so now it's pretty hard to do anything without danger of infringing or at least being threatened over infringing on a patent.

The big companies simply ignore patents and sell their products while treating the lawsuits as an inevitable expense.  The little guys just get screwed.


And everyone who represents plaintiffs in patent litigation has asked for stricter prosecution at the PTO but Congress would rather divert money from the PTO so they can't hire qualified examiners.
 
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2013-07-15 05:41:09 PM

fusillade762: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

Can Nike sue him for wearing their logo while douchebagging?


Isn't douchebagging a prerequisite for wearing their logo?
 
2013-07-15 05:41:27 PM

indarwinsshadow: Maybe he can tag team with the mob that's after Zimmerman. Appears to me that the American justice system got pushed down, curb stomped and kicked into the gutter and it's the wild west all over again.


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2013-07-15 05:42:46 PM
Stereotypes.  They exist for a reason.
 
2013-07-15 05:43:49 PM
Looks like i shall have to add a b-b-b-b-but Zimmerman space

i80.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-15 05:46:40 PM

astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.


I'm just guessing here but:
a) the thread of prison: not very many executives are so passionate about their company to go to prison for it
b) if Fark stories are any guide, every "hit man" is a cop or will snitch on you to the cops
 
2013-07-15 05:46:59 PM
"Actually, you can unthug, but if you do that, you can't rethug. Then you just seem crazy."

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you passed crazy about 3 thugs ago.

/antidisestablishmenthugtarianism
 
2013-07-15 05:47:54 PM
Lawyers are the new extortion racketeering gangsters.

The are not above the law, they just step around it carefully. (Well no so carefully anymore as we have allowed ourselves to become a "technically correct" over-litigious society. Practices that would have been laughed off the dockets by our forefathers as absurd and against the common good have become business as usual for our dysfunctional legal system.)
 
2013-07-15 05:48:04 PM

Teiritzamna: Looks like i shall have to add a b-b-b-b-but Zimmerman space

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Boy, you seem to be ... really heavily invested in this subject.

Huh.  You wouldn't be involved in patent law professionally, would you?
 
2013-07-15 05:52:39 PM
I invented the comma, but I forgot to file the paperwork with the patent office. Can you imagine how rich I would've been?
 
2013-07-15 05:53:55 PM
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2013-07-15 05:56:57 PM
"Once you go thug, though, you can't unthug," he explained, returning to his warm and normal tone. "Actually, you can unthug, but if you do that, you can't rethug. Then you just seem banoodles. You know what, you can rethug, but then you have to triple double dip thug. And that's just exhausting."
 
2013-07-15 05:58:38 PM

Gnu Mutant: "Once you go thug, though, you can't unthug," he explained, returning to his warm and normal tone. "Actually, you can unthug, but if you do that, you can't rethug. Then you just seem banoodles. You know what, you can rethug, but then you have to triple double dip thug. And that's just exhausting."


Yeah, but once the thugs have heard about you thugging, unthugging, and rethugging, they tend to go thug on your reunthugged self.
 
2013-07-15 06:03:58 PM

jjorsett: astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.

That's what I was wondering. Corporate Amerikkka is supposed to be this bunch of lawless types who'll exterminate people without compunction if they get in the way, so why is this guy still drawing breath? Have the hitmen that were on retainer been laid off because of the recession?


Sequestered.
 
2013-07-15 06:06:20 PM

noitsnot: Boy, you seem to be ... really heavily invested in this subject.

Huh. You wouldn't be involved in patent law professionally, would you?


I would indeed.  But the bingo was more of a sanity project.  80-90% of fark patent threads were and are the same exact same posts.  Over and over again.*  Thus i could either go mad reading them, or make a game of it.

/*which becomes deeply ironic when the thread is on the doctrine of obviousness
 
2013-07-15 06:18:52 PM

Jument: astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.

I'm just guessing here but:
a) the thread of prison: not very many executives are so passionate about their company to go to prison for it
b) if Fark stories are any guide, every "hit man" is a cop or will snitch on you to the cops


You mean Michael Clayton wasn't a documentary?
 
2013-07-15 06:22:41 PM

ReverendJynxed: Amazing how many of these patent trolls come out of Texas.


At least one Texas company is standing up against patent trolls.  We will not settle with any of them, and have vowed to fight them, and even sued a few already

http://www.rackspace.com/blog/why-rackspace-sued-the-most-notorious- pa tent-troll-in-america/
 
2013-07-15 06:23:15 PM

kidgenius: Gnu Mutant: "Once you go thug, though, you can't unthug," he explained, returning to his warm and normal tone. "Actually, you can unthug, but if you do that, you can't rethug. Then you just seem banoodles. You know what, you can rethug, but then you have to triple double dip thug. And that's just exhausting."

Yeah, but once the thugs have heard about you thugging, unthugging, and rethugging, they tend to go thug on your reunthugged self.


I don't know, that all sounds like a bunch of legal argle-bargle.
 
2013-07-15 06:41:45 PM
If someone is using patented technology/material and is not paying a royalty to the patent holder then they deserve to get sued.  The law is pretty clear on this. 

If you are getting sued and feel that the patent is of "dubious value" then take it up with the patent office.
 
2013-07-15 07:07:42 PM

astouffer: Why don't some of them end up dead? Seriously, offing someone is way cheaper than millions in attorney fees.


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2013-07-15 07:14:58 PM
Karma is a biatch....when he has a heart attack or a stroke that leaves him paralyzed and drooling like a real troll..He'll look  up at the ceiling of his huge house and think "God Damn It"
 
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