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(The New York Times)   Retailers using facial recognition to target sales. "If you are an angry man of 30, and it is Friday evening, it may offer you a bottle of whiskey," says woman who is unclear on what could possibly go wrong   (nytimes.com) divider line 113
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2013-07-15 04:25:25 PM  
Can it tell if I need a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?
 
2013-07-15 04:27:24 PM  
I'll be an angry man of thirty three if anyone tries to do that.
 
2013-07-15 04:28:21 PM  
I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.
 
2013-07-15 04:28:43 PM  
Rob, you look like a brie man if I've ever seen one.
 
2013-07-15 04:29:11 PM  
Hello Mr. Yakamoto and welcome back to the Nordstrom
 
2013-07-15 04:29:11 PM  
I go to brick and mortar stores for two reasons:

1) to put money in the local economy
2) not be freaking tracked like a commodity


Aaand I know any purchase made with a credit card or debit card is gonna get tracked anyway....
 
2013-07-15 04:29:17 PM  

DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.


That's called advertising...
 
2013-07-15 04:29:35 PM  
Huh, "Minority Report" is real.
 
2013-07-15 04:29:59 PM  

JohnHall: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

That's called advertising...


And I'm still right.
 
2013-07-15 04:30:05 PM  
So first it was getting location tracking into everyone's hands with cell phones, and now its gonna be getting all those cameras and Google Glass to let us visually surveill and record each other.

All the time. No exceptions.

Enjoy they new slavery, folks. Who owns you?
 
2013-07-15 04:30:07 PM  
to the Nordstrom? fail
 
2013-07-15 04:30:25 PM  
Who just walks around all day with their WiFi radio on?
 
2013-07-15 04:32:26 PM  
"You have been crying recently, Lucy. Would you like to see our sales on ice cream, chocolate, and shotguns?"
 
2013-07-15 04:33:04 PM  
Welcome to this brave new world, that has such marketing techniques in't.

It's only gonna get creepier from here.
 
2013-07-15 04:33:25 PM  
This bottle, of Steven's...
 
2013-07-15 04:34:11 PM  
Now I have to put a tinfoil hat on myself AND my phone???
 
2013-07-15 04:34:35 PM  
"I would just love it if a coupon pops up on my phone," said Linda Vertlieb some lifeless mass of pity and scorn.
 
2013-07-15 04:34:42 PM  
So if I went in the childrens wear department and pretended to masturbate, what would happen.
 
2013-07-15 04:34:53 PM  
But will it try to sell you things thta you want or thigns that you need.

If it sees a fat guy will sell him donuts or slimfast?
 
2013-07-15 04:34:54 PM  
This is gonna be awkward when I take my girlfriend out on a date and it offers her Bratz dolls and Miley Cyrus albums.
 
2013-07-15 04:35:39 PM  

jaybeezey: But will it try to sell you things thta you want or thigns that you need.

If it sees a fat guy will sell him donuts or slimfast?


it's like i had a stroke while trying to type that....
 
2013-07-15 04:35:49 PM  
Better start shutting my phone down before I go shopping.
 
2013-07-15 04:35:58 PM  

theorellior: Welcome to this brave new world, that has such marketing techniques in't.

It's only gonna get creepier from here.


People usually like to point towards 1984 as a possible horrible future. Ever since I finished reading A Brave New World early one Christmas morning I have felt it was a future that was both more likely to happen and worse.
 
2013-07-15 04:36:14 PM  
Just start wearing one of those V for Vendetta masks all over the place, they'll never be able to track you then.
 
2013-07-15 04:37:05 PM  
"Our systems have determined you may be about to commit a crime. Tom Cruise has been called to arrest you."
 
2013-07-15 04:37:13 PM  

KawaiiNot: Better start shutting my phone down before I go shopping.


But then how will you be able to post status updates about how you're "totes gonna buy this hat, you jelly bro" and post Instagram photos of yourself in said hat
 
2013-07-15 04:37:22 PM  
If it works as well as the internet advertising they'll be trying to sell me women's clothes from the time I went to the store with my girlfriend.
 
2013-07-15 04:38:44 PM  

Moodybastard: I go to brick and mortar stores for two reasons:

1) to put money in the local economy
2) not be freaking tracked like a commodity


Aaand I know any purchase made with a credit card or debit card is gonna get tracked anyway....


Do you have your rewards/club/points card? Thank you and have a nice day Mr. Bastard.
 
2013-07-15 04:39:13 PM  

DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.


They're just trying to give you what you want.
 
2013-07-15 04:39:26 PM  
This will last until the first high-level congressman "accidentally" walks into the women's apparel section..
 
2013-07-15 04:39:41 PM  
tricycleracer



Who just walks around all day with their WiFi radio on?

A number of people, devices attempt to connect to any Wi-Fi in an attempt to lower the amount of data you use on your plan unless you turn it off.
 
2013-07-15 04:40:31 PM  
Great!  They need to sell these machines to husbands.   Maybe finally someone can figure out what a woman means when they say "You should know why I'm upset."
 
2013-07-15 04:41:00 PM  
I'm thinking it might be time for payphones to make a comeback, so people can make calls in public if they don't feel like carrying around a personal tracking device with scads of private data on it.
 
2013-07-15 04:41:13 PM  

JohnHall: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

That's called advertising...


Technically that's called marketing.
 
2013-07-15 04:41:20 PM  
"If you are an angry man of 30, and it is Friday evening, it may offer you a bottle of whiskey," says woman who is unclear on what could possibly go wrong

To be fair, she's in Russia and we don't know the other variations.

"If you are a happy man of 30, and it is a Friday evening, it may offer you a bottle of vodak."
 
2013-07-15 04:42:32 PM  

KawaiiNot: Better start shutting my phone down before I go shopping.


Pretty soon that will be grounds for arrest, like the illegal off buttons on TVs in "Max Headroom".
 
2013-07-15 04:42:41 PM  

Todd300: So first it was getting location tracking into everyone's hands with cell phones, and now its gonna be getting all those cameras and Google Glass to let us visually surveill and record each other.

All the time. No exceptions.

Enjoy they new slavery, folks. Who owns you?


Maybe one day when 4g/5g data is ubiquitous and we get unlimited fast data plans, maybe we might see the stuff from Googles uploaded to some server without you knowing to facially recognise other people and see their and send them an advert... but it all just seems so unlikely. They certainly couldn't do it today, using up peoples limited data allowances to beam back reports of strangers' locations.
 
2013-07-15 04:43:41 PM  

Empty H: People usually like to point towards 1984 as a possible horrible future. Ever since I finished reading A Brave New World early one Christmas morning I have felt it was a future that was both more likely to happen and worse.


Huxley was much more on-the-ball than Orwell. The iron fist squeezes more tightly inside a velvet glove. Have some soma and play centrifugal bumble-puppy.
 
2013-07-15 04:44:13 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: tricycleracer

Who just walks around all day with their WiFi radio on?

A number of people, devices attempt to connect to any Wi-Fi in an attempt to lower the amount of data you use on your plan unless you turn it off.


WTF background apps are people running that the phone in their pocket is going to blow through their data cap?
 
2013-07-15 04:44:23 PM  
*pedosmile detected*

"Enjoy your complimentary cotton candy sir. Our puppy breeders will be with you momentarily"
 
2013-07-15 04:46:28 PM  
If you are an angry man of 30, and it is Friday evening, it may offer you a bottle of whiskey,

I already have one of those.  It's called a cashier.
 
2013-07-15 04:46:34 PM  
F*CK OFF WITH THIS CREEPY STALKER BULLSH*T!!!

F*cking corporate cockbag POS motherf*ckstains!!! Try making a good product/service and I'll consider buying it. If I find out you are pulling this creeper insanity you'll get NOTHING from me. NOTHING!!!
 
2013-07-15 04:48:17 PM  
It would always be trying to sell me new boots and happy pills.

/boots always look like hell
//glaring at you
 
2013-07-15 04:49:12 PM  

here to help: F*CK OFF WITH THIS CREEPY STALKER BULLSH*T!!!

F*cking corporate cockbag POS motherf*ckstains!!! Try making a good product/service and I'll consider buying it. If I find out you are pulling this creeper insanity you'll get NOTHING from me. NOTHING!!!


I sense anger and hostility. Would you be interested in purchasing some privacy control?
 
2013-07-15 04:49:52 PM  

Slaxl: Todd300: So first it was getting location tracking into everyone's hands with cell phones, and now its gonna be getting all those cameras and Google Glass to let us visually surveill and record each other.

All the time. No exceptions.

Enjoy they new slavery, folks. Who owns you?

Maybe one day when 4g/5g data is ubiquitous and we get unlimited fast data plans, maybe we might see the stuff from Googles uploaded to some server without you knowing to facially recognise other people and see their and send them an advert... but it all just seems so unlikely. They certainly couldn't do it today, using up peoples limited data allowances to beam back reports of strangers' locations.


If it's the ISP, they'll just exempt their metrics data from the bandwidth statistics. Besides, keeps 'em from looking at their statement to find out how much info you're pulling on them.
 
2013-07-15 04:49:54 PM  

jaybeezey: But will it try to sell you things thta you want or thigns that you need.

If it sees a fat guy will sell him donuts or slimfast?



1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-15 04:50:36 PM  
Hrmm, so that's why where ever I go, someone tries to sell me a sex toy and a gallon of industrial strength lube.
 
2013-07-15 04:52:10 PM  

here to help: F*CK OFF WITH THIS CREEPY STALKER BULLSH*T!!!

F*cking corporate cockbag POS motherf*ckstains!!! Try making a good product/service and I'll consider buying it. If I find out you are pulling this creeper insanity you'll get NOTHING from me. NOTHING!!!


Ads by FARK
Would you like to purchase a bottle of whiskey?
 
2013-07-15 04:52:46 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So if I went in the childrens wear department and pretended to masturbate, what would happen.


In my experience, security in ~1:30... it's a race!
 
2013-07-15 04:53:23 PM  

DubtodaIll: JohnHall: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

That's called advertising...

And I'm still right.


The Stealth Hippopotamus: They're just trying to give you what you want.

If they don't know what you want, they'll give you what they think you want.
res2.windows.microsoft.com

Remember this the next time you blow off the people doing marketing research.

/and yes, they are trying to get more of your business.
 
2013-07-15 04:53:39 PM  

theorellior: I'm thinking it might be time for payphones to make a comeback, so people can make calls in public if they don't feel like carrying around a personal tracking device with scads of private data on it.


FARKING THIS.  Removing pay phones and crushing all the late-models under "cash for clunkers" are two shrewd and deceitful decisions to funnel the cattle into a forced economy in which your connectivity merely means you are never alone or enjoying privacy.

Think about it this way:  The NSA doesn't need to tap servers if they've created infrastructure to intercept the data in between servers.  That wifi radio in your pocket is a homing beacon.  No more no less.
 
2013-07-15 04:53:40 PM  
FTA:  "The idea that you're being stalked in a store is, I think, a bit creepy, as opposed to, it's only a cookie - they don't really know who I am," said Robert Plant.

1)  This guy is naive if he thinks that they don't know who he is online.

2)  This guy is smart by continuing to tour with "The Sensational Space Shifters," if he doesn't want people to know who he is.  A Led Zep or even Honey Drippers reunion would be a give away.
 
2013-07-15 04:54:20 PM  
tricycleracer



Random Anonymous Blackmail: tricycleracer

Who just walks around all day with their WiFi radio on?

A number of people, devices attempt to connect to any Wi-Fi in an attempt to lower the amount of data you use on your plan unless you turn it off.

WTF background apps are people running that the phone in their pocket is going to blow through their data cap?


I think it was designed as more of a convenience to not have to turn on wi-fi when you are in a joint with an open access more so than background data.
 
2013-07-15 04:55:02 PM  

toraque: Hrmm, so that's why where ever I go, someone tries to sell me a sex toy and a gallon of industrial strength lube.


Why, is this your face?

www.chicagonow.com
 
2013-07-15 04:55:14 PM  
That's it.  We've crossed the line.  Burn all advertising agencies to the damn ground.  It's not free speech, but malicious brainwashing with an intent to defraud.  Every single one of the assholes behind this should be dead.
 
2013-07-15 04:56:08 PM  
God I can't wait to have my compound in the woods where I don't have to deal with this crap.
 
2013-07-15 04:56:33 PM  
As a 30-year-old angry white jackass, I'm... Crying on the inside, humbled by this article.
 
2013-07-15 04:56:35 PM  

paswa17: here to help: F*CK OFF WITH THIS CREEPY STALKER BULLSH*T!!!

F*cking corporate cockbag POS motherf*ckstains!!! Try making a good product/service and I'll consider buying it. If I find out you are pulling this creeper insanity you'll get NOTHING from me. NOTHING!!!

Ads by FARK
Would you like to purchase a bottle of whiskey?


thirtymilesofcorruption.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-15 04:57:20 PM  
And the award for what 'minority report' would ACTUALLY get used for goes to...
 
2013-07-15 04:58:54 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Moodybastard: I go to brick and mortar stores for two reasons:

1) to put money in the local economy
2) not be freaking tracked like a commodity


Aaand I know any purchase made with a credit card or debit card is gonna get tracked anyway....

Do you have your rewards/club/points card? Thank you and have a nice day Mr. Bastard.


Mine is set up to have email of bar­ry*oba­ma[nospam-﹫-backwards]esu­o­he­ti­hw*gov and the white house switchboard phone number, so they will know he drinks a lot of Black Cherry Mike Hard Lemonade coolers.

scene7.samsclub.com
 
2013-07-15 04:58:55 PM  

theorellior: I'm thinking it might be time for payphones to make a comeback, so people can make calls in public if they don't feel like carrying around a personal tracking device with scads of private data on it.


You could always just use a basic phone and keep it turned off or in airplane mode whenever you weren't using it.  That would accomplish much the same thing as using a payphone, although if you did turn it on and make a call, you could be located while the phone was on.
 
2013-07-15 04:59:48 PM  

tricycleracer: Who just walks around all day with their WiFi radio on?


I'll bet it isn't really using WiFi. It's probably the signals of the cell phone itself as it keeps in touch with the cell system.
 
2013-07-15 05:02:52 PM  

Famous Thamas: Just start wearing one of those V for Vendetta masks all over the place, they'll never be able to track you then.


i1211.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-15 05:05:59 PM  

jshine: You could always just use a basic phone and keep it turned off or in airplane mode whenever you weren't using it.


These days, I'm thinking even that won't work. You'd have to remove the battery to be sure.
 
2013-07-15 05:08:21 PM  
"Judging by your heat signature Mr. Smith I would say prohylactics are on aisle seven, but cross refrencing that signature with your banking information, calloused palms and hair pattern you're better off hitting the magazine rack at the liquor store next door. Lotions are available on seventeen, however."
 
2013-07-15 05:09:26 PM  
Or her an std kit
 
2013-07-15 05:09:56 PM  

Fano: Can it tell if I need a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?


Hey, just what ya see, pal.
 
2013-07-15 05:12:57 PM  
After all, this service is here to help
 
2013-07-15 05:14:11 PM  
img2-2.timeinc.netwww.fingers.co.nz
 
2013-07-15 05:18:52 PM  
Paranoid motherfarkers!
/huxley = comunism failed
//orwell = comuinism won
///facism either way
 
2013-07-15 05:20:05 PM  
 
2013-07-15 05:20:05 PM  

DORMAMU: After all, this service is here to help


Wow.

Fark ate my quote of "here to help"'s rant.

I fail
 
2013-07-15 05:21:23 PM  
I wonder what the relative outrage is between private stores and companies doing this and governments doing this. Because, from my standpoint, they're roughly equivalent and part of the reason, I suspect, some people may want more regulations on business practices and transparency/accountability in government. It seems to me that it would be logically inconsistent to be differentially upset or creeped out by government (or private industry) doing this when private industry (or government) is doing the same thing, for much the same reasons too (i.e. money, control, etc.).

But then again, this isn't in the politics tab, so maybe I shouldn't start no sh*t so there won't be no sh*t.
 
2013-07-15 05:22:14 PM  
If I'm black and wearing a hoodie, will it offer me ice tea and skittles?
 
2013-07-15 05:22:19 PM  

DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.


Sick good or sick bad?

/Not sure without phrenological results.
 
2013-07-15 05:22:45 PM  

Todd300: So first it was getting location tracking into everyone's hands with cell phones, and now its gonna be getting all those cameras and Google Glass to let us visually surveill and record each other.

All the time. No exceptions.

Enjoy they new slavery, folks. Who owns you?


well a decade back I would have said Sharper Image.  This would have totally been their schtick
 
2013-07-15 05:24:14 PM  
FTA:
"It's literally bringing the Amazon experience into the store."

So...they're charging 30-50% less?
 
2013-07-15 05:25:01 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So if I went in the childrens wear department and pretended to masturbate, what would happen.


Are you asking or telling?
 
2013-07-15 05:27:40 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: "You have been crying recently, Lucy. Would you like to see our sales on ice cream, chocolate, and shotguns?"


Hey now, you want repeat customers.
 
2013-07-15 05:31:28 PM  
 a couple of non expert notes.
for either wi-fi or through 3gpp, to actually pinpoint a device with any accuracy you need at least 3 APs. Even then it's not an exact science, especially in a retail space.  Different devices have different power level, so different signal strengths reported back to the APs.  I mean they can tell roughly where you are, they can certainly track dwell time and how if you are a unique or re occurring visitor , however that's about it. So far.
 
2013-07-15 05:32:09 PM  

PsyRat: If I'm black and wearing a hoodie, will it offer me ice tea and skittles?


Ohhhhh, too soon, dude.
 
2013-07-15 05:34:19 PM  

DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.


Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.
 
2013-07-15 05:38:36 PM  

iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.


I've always wondered, do anti-capitalists ever start businesses? If they do, what prices do they set and how do they live, given that seeking a profit is bad?
 
2013-07-15 05:39:49 PM  
If these methods seem intrusive, at least some consumers seem happy to trade privacy for deals. Placed, a company based in Seattle, has an app that asks consumers where they are in a store in exchange for cash and prepaid gift cards from Amazon and Google Play, among others. More than 500,000 people have downloaded the app since last August, said a company spokeswoman, Sarah Radwanick, providing information like gender, age and income, and agreeing to be tracked over GPS, Wi-Fi and cellular networks. Placed then sells the data to store owners, online retailers and app developers.

F*ck these people. YOU are what is wrong with modern day society! Encouraging these c*ntbags so you can get 50 cents off your goddamned corporate whore garbage. F*ck you!

"I would just love it if a coupon pops up on my phone," said Linda Vertlieb, 30, a blogger in Philadelphia, who said that she was not aware of the tracking methods, but that the idea did not bother her. Stores are "trying to sell, so that makes sense," she said.

And f*ck you too Linda Vertlieb you shill c*nt. I hope you choke on that corporate cock you are so eager to gobble on. WHORE!

That said... I'll take my whiskey now please.
 
2013-07-15 05:56:49 PM  

DubtodaIll: JohnHall: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

That's called advertising...

And I'm still right.


You ain't one of them thar comminists are ya son?
 
2013-07-15 06:27:54 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

They're just trying to give you what you want.


They're just trying to give you what they want you to want.
FTFY.
 
2013-07-15 06:27:56 PM  
Would you like to buy a gun?
 
2013-07-15 06:34:12 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Moodybastard: I go to brick and mortar stores for two reasons:

1) to put money in the local economy
2) not be freaking tracked like a commodity


Aaand I know any purchase made with a credit card or debit card is gonna get tracked anyway....

Do you have your rewards/club/points card? Thank you and have a nice day Mr. Bastard.


I have lots of reward cards, at one store, I am Steve McQueen, at another I am M. Ghandi ( get some weird looks when the cashier hands me the receipt and says "thank you Mister... uhhhhhh Ghandi) and so on.
Of course I always give my correct phone number......
 
2013-07-15 06:50:04 PM  
This is why we cannot have somewhat mediocre things.
 
2013-07-15 07:00:18 PM  

paswa17: here to help: F*CK OFF WITH THIS CREEPY STALKER BULLSH*T!!!

F*cking corporate cockbag POS motherf*ckstains!!! Try making a good product/service and I'll consider buying it. If I find out you are pulling this creeper insanity you'll get NOTHING from me. NOTHING!!!

Ads by FARK
Would you like to purchase a bottle of whiskey?


To be fair, one wouldn't need to know much about the average Farker to suggest that.
 
2013-07-15 07:26:42 PM  
If it's morning and I'm grumpy and someone or something offers me whisky, there's a pretty good chance I will immediately make out with that person or thing.
 
2013-07-15 07:30:11 PM  
info.techport13.com
 
2013-07-15 07:53:20 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So if I went in the childrens wear department and pretended to masturbate, what would happen.


lolz. i think there is a list we can put you on.
 
2013-07-15 08:04:21 PM  

iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.


Because it's a predatory and adversarial ideology, predicated on frequently artificial scarcity?

Why do you not hate capitalism? You like shiat rolling downhill?
 
2013-07-15 08:31:07 PM  

Bandito King: iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.

Because it's a predatory and adversarial ideology, predicated on frequently artificial scarcity?

Why do you not hate capitalism? You like shiat rolling downhill?


I don't like capitalism, but, realistically, I get money paid into my bank account by the running dogs who employ me.

And the only option for socialist voting in my country is swirling the drain at the moment. The Labour party, founded by the working class to protect the rights of the common man continues its rightward lurch in its appeal to readers of The Sun.

WTF.
 
2013-07-15 08:32:17 PM  
I kinda knew about this but didn't pay much attention, was one of those "Eh, I don't shop at the Limited/Gap/Vickies Not so Secret so why would I care?" A little over a year ago, I got voicemails for Maria Pedro.  No idea who she is, but she's in some deep shiat and apparently has my number or has been giving it out for quite some time.  Tried to get removed from call list, ended up on at least 2 more.  *Sigh*. I'd rather remove the battery out of my phone and wait for it to boot up 2 mins and then head home.  I may be doing that, going forward.  Not a fan of the Feds knowing how often I eat out or in each week.  I'm cool with leaving the phone off and at home :)
 
2013-07-15 08:47:30 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: A number of people, devices attempt to connect to any Wi-Fi in an attempt to lower the amount of data you use on your plan unless you turn it off.


Yeah.  Yet another reason I'm happy I went with unlimited data and texting and limited minutes.

here to help: If these methods seem intrusive, at least some consumers seem happy to trade privacy for deals. Placed, a company based in Seattle, has an app that asks consumers where they are in a store in exchange for cash and prepaid gift cards from Amazon and Google Play, among others. More than 500,000 people have downloaded the app since last August, said a company spokeswoman, Sarah Radwanick, providing information like gender, age and income, and agreeing to be tracked over GPS, Wi-Fi and cellular networks. Placed then sells the data to store owners, online retailers and app developers.

F*ck these people. YOU are what is wrong with modern day society! Encouraging these c*ntbags so you can get 50 cents off your goddamned corporate whore garbage. F*ck you!


If the gift card was of any *substantial* value, I *might* risk it.

But I'd just lie about my age, gender, and income like anything else I sign up for.  They could possibly glean some of that info, I guess, depending on what permissions, if they know the phone is in my name somehow (I give out my Google Voice forwarding-to-cell as my number so I have transcribed voice mails, so they couldn't tie it any other way), and if they had my name if they crossed that with some other lame marketing vampire who somehow got my income (haven't applied for a mortgage, bought my car in cash, so...)...

Like the stupid used-to-love local grocery mini-chain that now has sales they straight up won't give you unless you have a loyalty card tied to a working email (checked) and phone (possibly checking that it's a possible number; they called me out on 586-867-5309) and address.  I'd boycott it entirely but there are a few places I end up at for work where their deli is my only option for non-fast food.

So I finally ended up using:

fi­r­stn­a­me­[nospam-﹫-backwards]hctacliam*com
My office fax number
And 1060 West Addison, Chicago IL for my address.

/1060 West Addison?
//that's Wrigley Field
 
2013-07-15 09:33:28 PM  
As someone currently doing SEM work..

Not surprised in the least.

/Doesn't like SEM work.
//Prefer Global Content.
 
2013-07-15 09:51:47 PM  
If you ever need an easy to remember address just use a zip code of 55555 it's in Young America MN.
 
2013-07-16 12:36:06 AM  
 
2013-07-16 01:10:00 AM  

iron de havilland: Bandito King: iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.

Because it's a predatory and adversarial ideology, predicated on frequently artificial scarcity?

Why do you not hate capitalism? You like shiat rolling downhill?

I don't like capitalism, but, realistically, I get money paid into my bank account by the running dogs who employ me.

And the only option for socialist voting in my country is swirling the drain at the moment. The Labour party, founded by the working class to protect the rights of the common man continues its rightward lurch in its appeal to readers of The Sun.

WTF.


England? A friend of mine just permanently left your country in favor of backpacking in SE Asia forever with breaks at a sheep ranch in New Zealand for money. Maybe you should consider it.
 
2013-07-16 03:35:51 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe:

Hey, I read that.  But I was thinking more along the lines of what  Bung_Howdy was thinking.
 
2013-07-16 05:37:22 AM  

Bandito King: iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.

Because it's a predatory and adversarial ideology, predicated on frequently artificial scarcity?

Why do you not hate capitalism? You like shiat rolling downhill?


I wrote what turned into a long treatise on capitalism and socialism, but this is Fark, so I'll distil it down to the salient facts.

Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad.
 
2013-07-16 06:54:14 AM  
But I'm angry now!
 
2013-07-16 07:52:22 AM  
So, how long before we have Mass Effect Citadel-style personal ads in stores?
 
2013-07-16 02:15:31 PM  
Fecal recognition software. Heh.
 
2013-07-16 06:45:16 PM  

Slaxl: Bandito King: iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.

Because it's a predatory and adversarial ideology, predicated on frequently artificial scarcity?

Why do you not hate capitalism? You like shiat rolling downhill?

I wrote what turned into a long treatise on capitalism and socialism, but this is Fark, so I'll distil it down to the salient facts.

Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad.


If you get one, I get one.

Anarchy is good. Government is bad.
 
2013-07-16 10:11:26 PM  

Bandito King: Slaxl: Bandito King: iron de havilland: DubtodaIll: I think it's really sick to delve in to human behavior in order to figure out how to extract more money from the human behaving.

Why do you hate capitalism?

/Free markets!
//Hurr durr, etc.

Because it's a predatory and adversarial ideology, predicated on frequently artificial scarcity?

Why do you not hate capitalism? You like shiat rolling downhill?

I wrote what turned into a long treatise on capitalism and socialism, but this is Fark, so I'll distil it down to the salient facts.

Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad.

If you get one, I get one.

Anarchy is good. Government is bad.


No I actually love capitalism by its merits.  However, in a pure market, businesses should not be allowed to gain anything from me without paying me for it.  That includes what I think and how I behave and what my feelings are towards a particular good.  These kinds of technologies allow corporations to essentially "steal" your opinions without compensating you for them.  Actually it ends up that they are able to extort more money from the average consumer by using techniques they have developed that take work for an average consumer to avoid.  That work by the consumer to avoid these techniques is also uncompensated.   Wringing every last dollar from a consumer is NOT a hallmark of a healthy market.  A healthy market is populated by traders who engage in commerce that is equally beneficial to both parties of a deal.  I do not see behavioral research as equally beneficial to both provider and consumer.
 
2013-07-16 10:36:03 PM  

DubtodaIll: No I actually love capitalism by its merits. However, in a pure market, businesses should not be allowed to gain anything from me without paying me for it. That includes what I think and how I behave and what my feelings are towards a particular good. These kinds of technologies allow corporations to essentially "steal" your opinions without compensating you for them. Actually it ends up that they are able to extort more money from the average consumer by using techniques they have developed that take work for an average consumer to avoid. That work by the consumer to avoid these techniques is also uncompensated. Wringing every last dollar from a consumer is NOT a hallmark of a healthy market. A healthy market is populated by traders who engage in commerce that is equally beneficial to both parties of a deal. I do not see behavioral research as equally beneficial to both provider and consumer.


Sound reasoning except for this part. Assuming a pure market and all that, the ONLY way that market research is extracting more money from the average customer is by giving them what they demand. If the data was not counter-representative of customer demand, they'd be losing money by acting on it. Now, I agree that it's not equally beneficial to provider and consumer, but even if it was unavoidable by virtue of "all producers do it," investing in all the systems to do this would still be a loss if it wasn't actually fulfilling something for the customer.

The other problem with this is simply keeping a record of inventory on hand with respect to time lets you see which products are popular. That's essentially "stealing" customer opinions in the same way, but isn't a practice anyone's ever had a problem with.
 
2013-07-16 10:49:43 PM  

ProfessorOhki: DubtodaIll: No I actually love capitalism by its merits. However, in a pure market, businesses should not be allowed to gain anything from me without paying me for it. That includes what I think and how I behave and what my feelings are towards a particular good. These kinds of technologies allow corporations to essentially "steal" your opinions without compensating you for them. Actually it ends up that they are able to extort more money from the average consumer by using techniques they have developed that take work for an average consumer to avoid. That work by the consumer to avoid these techniques is also uncompensated. Wringing every last dollar from a consumer is NOT a hallmark of a healthy market. A healthy market is populated by traders who engage in commerce that is equally beneficial to both parties of a deal. I do not see behavioral research as equally beneficial to both provider and consumer.

Sound reasoning except for this part. Assuming a pure market and all that, the ONLY way that market research is extracting more money from the average customer is by giving them what they demand. If the data was not counter-representative of customer demand, they'd be losing money by acting on it. Now, I agree that it's not equally beneficial to provider and consumer, but even if it was unavoidable by virtue of "all producers do it," investing in all the systems to do this would still be a loss if it wasn't actually fulfilling something for the customer.

The other problem with this is simply keeping a record of inventory on hand with respect to time lets you see which products are popular. That's essentially "stealing" customer opinions in the same way, but isn't a practice anyone's ever had a problem with.


Modern marketing is far more advanced than people give it credit.  If done correctly, it is nearly impossible to lose money on a product.  I'm reminded of a study from back in the mid-20th century about the advent of "advanced" slot machines.  They actually tested them on pigeons, who became addicted to using the machines.  So much so that they no longer received pleasure from the reward they got from winning, but from the actual event of playing the machine.  Furthermore, the study suggests that audiences of these kinds of techniques are at  an extreme disadvantage in attempting to decide to NOT engage the advertisement. In other words, saying "oh just ignore it" is just a load a bullshiat.  It's this kind of psychology that justifies advertisement for brands like Coke, McDonalds, etc.  These kind of things are incredibly subtle and invasive and in general not a good thing.  Corporations should not be allowed to take advantage of people who are already funding their entire operation by purchasing goods on their own volition.
Essentially there is no moral justification for stalking your customers.  Yes I know expecting a corporation to have morals is absurd, but dammit, it can't continue down this path forever, the endgame is slavery.
 
2013-07-16 11:08:17 PM  

DubtodaIll: Modern marketing is far more advanced than people give it credit. If done correctly, it is nearly impossible to lose money on a product. I'm reminded of a study from back in the mid-20th century about the advent of "advanced" slot machines. They actually tested them on pigeons, who became addicted to using the machines. So much so that they no longer received pleasure from the reward they got from winning, but from the actual event of playing the machine. Furthermore, the study suggests that audiences of these kinds of techniques are at an extreme disadvantage in attempting to decide to NOT engage the advertisement. In other words, saying "oh just ignore it" is just a load a bullshiat. It's this kind of psychology that justifies advertisement for brands like Coke, McDonalds, etc. These kind of things are incredibly subtle and invasive and in general not a good thing. Corporations should not be allowed to take advantage of people who are already funding their entire operation by purchasing goods on their own volition.
Essentially there is no moral justification for stalking your customers. Yes I know expecting a corporation to have morals is absurd, but dammit, it can't continue down this path forever, the endgame is slavery.


I don't disagree with you in spirit, but where would one even start trying to define where "taking advantage of" begins? Seems like the alternative is having a never-ending legal battle in which lawyers constantly push back and forth over exactly how impressionable and absent minded the average consumer is. Besides, allowed by who? It's not called 'marketing' when a government does it, but if they not entirely on the whole analytic / behavioral modification bandwagon yet, they will be shortly.

Rather than ignore it or engage it passively as a consumer, isn't there also the option to engage it actively as a critic? If you look at something with the intentions of trying to analyze it, it's sort of hard to be snared by it. I wonder how many of the people conducting the pigeon study went on to become addicted to slot machines? Not that a populous of people who actively question what's impacting their environment is an easy goal... but, you know, it might actually be more achievable than moral corporations.
 
2013-07-16 11:20:34 PM  

ProfessorOhki: DubtodaIll: 

I don't disagree with you in spirit, but where would one even start trying to define where "taking advantage of" begins? Seems like the alternative is having a never-ending legal battle in which lawyers constantly push back and forth over exactly how impressionable and absent minded the average consumer is. Besides, allowed by who? It's not called 'marketing' when a government does it, but if they not entirely on the whole analytic / behavioral modification bandwagon yet, they will be shortly.

Rather than ignore it or engage it passively as a consumer, isn't there also the option to engage it actively as a critic? If you look at something with the intentions of trying to analyze it, it's sort of hard to be snared by i ...


Of course the counter to all advertising is an intelligent and educated populace.  You can't sell a shaded truth to someone who knows the actual truth. I certainly would rather we head in the direction where the vast majority of people are self-reliant and fully able and willing to consume things based on their actual necessities.  This of course is not that case and probably impossible with any large population.  And I'm for lawyers going back and forth over it.  That's the best way we've figured out how to draw lines in the sand over what's ok and what isn't.
I guess I'd boil it down to the fact that risk and uncertainty are essential to a healthy market.  Corporations should somehow be discouraged from knowing, or even wanting to know, everything about its consumer. There's a middle ground somewhere, but I'll let the lawyers figure it out.
 
2013-07-16 11:56:58 PM  
Why did this take so long?

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