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2013-07-15 05:00:20 PM
10 votes:
I know this sounds crazy, but why don't we just stop believing that Bronze Age myths are real?
2013-07-15 05:55:42 PM
6 votes:

Lorelle: The Christian bible condones slavery.

1 Timothy 6:1-5

Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

1 Peter 2:18-29

Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval.


Why the hell are you quoting the Bible when discussing modern evangelical worldviews?!

You don't honestly believe any of them have actually READ it do you?
2013-07-15 05:30:37 PM
6 votes:
FTA: But there exists no such financial benefit for people who correctly interpret scripture in reference to homosexual practices. No one who believes, teaches and upholds the sexual standards of the bible stands to benefit financially from doing so.

www.minnpost.com

Marcus Bachmann's "gay therapy clinic" has collected over $100,000 in Medicaid payments since it opened a few years ago.
2013-07-15 04:24:37 PM
6 votes:
FTA: But there exists no such financial benefit for people who correctly interpret scripture in reference to homosexual practices. No one who believes, teaches and upholds the sexual standards of the bible stands to benefit financially from doing so.

txvalues.org
2013-07-15 05:23:44 PM
4 votes:

Sgt Otter: FTA: But there exists no such financial benefit for people who correctly interpret scripture in reference to homosexual practices. No one who believes, teaches and upholds the sexual standards of the bible stands to benefit financially from doing so.

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Of course, if we uphold the sexual standards of the Bible, that means multiple wives, concubines, and marrying your brother's wife after he dies, and keeping of chattel is OK?

I don't think that they've thought this cunning plan all the way through...

i.chzbgr.com
2013-07-15 07:58:49 PM
3 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


The sin of Soddom wasn't the gayness, but the whole idea of raping the visitors.

"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." But they said, "Stand aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway. Then the men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place; for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the Lord that the Lord has sent us to destroy it."

The wickedness is less about the "relations" that they weren't upon having, but the capriciousness and the rudeness to guests. Fathers, owned their daughters, so offering up the girls was something he could do, offering up grown men, that's a whole different kettle of fish, at the time. You don't just toss out guests to a rape mob, ESPECIALLY if said guests are there to judge the city on its merits as a town deserving to be struck from the Earth. Then again, the Bible is fairly strong, including in Leviticus on the treatment of guests to your lands.

What astounds me, are of all the things that the Bible condemns, homosexuality is just one thing, of many, that folks seem to take way out of context. When, there are so very many things that the Bible considers, especially Leviticus, as being REALLY bad. Take Leviticus, just as the example, since THAT one seems to be the IMPORTANT book, and the hippy dippy crap about some kid from Nazareth is just so much Newage junk...

1.       Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
Not a huge problem nowadays.

2.       Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
Again, not a huge deal to most Christian churches.

3.       Eating fat (3:17)
Southern cuisine is in trouble

4.       Eating blood (3:17)
German cuisine is in trouble.

5.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've witnessed (5:1)
Congress is in trouble.

6.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've been told about (5:1)
Congress is REALLY in trouble

7.       Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
Hope you don't like pork...

8.       Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
Again, Congress is REALLY in trouble

9.       Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
HOAs are against God...

10.   Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
Much of America is DOOMED...

11.   Bringing unauthorized fire before God (10:1)
The candle trade for saints is apparently DOOOOOOM!

12.   Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
Hipsters, teens, and much of Hollywood is DOOOOOMED!

13.   Tearing your clothes (10:6)
Wrasslin' is the work of the Debbil

14.   Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
Catholics, we're looking right at you....

15.   Eating an animal which doesn't both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
Rib joints are the work of the Debbil...

16.   Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
Hope you aren't a fan of football...

17.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
Red Lobster is the work of the Debbil...

18.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
In fairness, this means that Newage folks are DOOOOOMED!

19.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
Cicadas may be out.

20.   Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
Roof rabbit may have doomed the entire Greatest Generation...

21.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
Hope you haven't had gator bites...

22.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
Rattlesnake BBQ is RIGHT out...

23.   Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
Hope you aren't having that Christening too early, you naughty folks...

24.   Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
See the above, but double time for the girlchil'run...

25.   Having sex with your mother (18:7)
Which is not a bad rule to have, but let's face it, this rule pretty much takes out a good section of 90s day time TV

26.   Having sex with your father's wife (18:8)
Not a bad rule either, but see the above section on reality TV...

27.   Having sex with your sister (18:9)
This one is going to have Kentucky and good sections of the South, and Maine in trouble...

28.   Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
Not a bad rule at all, and...ewww

29.  Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
See the earlier section on day time TV...

30.   Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
Again, see the section on day time TV...

31.   Having sex with your uncle's wife (18:14)
Man, Maury would be screwed if we damn everyone for this...

32.   Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
Maury may have sent a brazillion folks to Hell for this...

33.   Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
Congress may be in trouble here too...

34.   Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
Alan Clarke and Maury are soooo screwed on this.

35.   Marrying your wife's sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
Man, day time TV is just rife with sinfulness. Should we let children watch this smut?

36.   Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
Redwings. Apparently, always a bad idea...

37.   Having sex with your neighbour's wife (18:20)
Congress, and a fair amount of middle America is sooooo boned...

38.   Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
In fairness, I'm all for religious freedom, but this seems like a good, commonsense rule.

39.   Having sex with a man "as one does with a woman" (18:22)
There it is. THIS apparently is THE important one.

40.   Having sex with an animal (18:23)
The Scots apparently have generations of sending kindling to Hell...

41.   Making idols or "metal gods" (19:4)
Catholics, you may be in some trouble here...

42.   Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
Yup. We're supposed to leave stuff for the poor and destitute to glean from the fields...

43.   Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
Factory farming is the work of the Debbil...

44.   Stealing (19:11)
Congress and much of the legal system is so screwed...

45.   Lying (19:11)
Is there anything Congress CAN do then?

46.   Swearing falsely on God's name (19:12)
Pat Robertson and Congress apparently makes Jehovah wroth...

47.   Defrauding your neighbor (19:13)
Real estate and much of America is boned. You'll note how wroth folks are about this one, while being ghey is just the work of the Debbil...

48.   Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
Paychecks are the work of the Debbil...

49.   Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
God is hard on douchebags...

50.   Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
Congress in both houses are boned...

51.   Spreading slander (19:16)
As are the tabloids...

52.   Doing anything to endanger a neighbour's life (19:16)
Most of America and the "here, hold my beer" crowd is screwed...

53.   Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
Congress...you are sooooooooo going ALL of you to Hell...

54.   Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
Walmart, Sears, and Target. Agents of Satan...

55.   Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
God IS against GMO husbandry...

56.   Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
Put down the basil and the tomatoes. I don't care if they DO complement one another's growth, it's BAD!

57.   Sleeping with another man's slave (19:20)
Seriously. Bad form folks. Bad form.

58.   Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
The apple industry is the work of the Debbil...

59.   Practicing divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
Miss Cleo is the work of the Debbil, and here we have this sin IN OUR PAPERS!

60.   Trimming your beard (19:27)
Look at all the dirty bastiches who do this. LOOK AT THEM!

61.   Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
The Marines are the work of the Debbil...

62.   Getting tattoos (19:28)
Tramp stamps and memorial tattoos are the work of the Debbil...

63.   Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
Daytime TV is SUCH a sinful place...

64.   Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
Miss Cleo. Leading a nation into sin and depravity...

65.   Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
Welp, this one seems right out today...

66.   Mistreating foreigners - "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born"  (19:33-34)
Guess that means we can stop those Oathkeepers and Sheriff Joe from being mean to the immigrants then, right? Border fences are the Debbil's chopsticks I guess...

67.   Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
My industry is boned as a whole, as is pretty much most of the oil industry as well...

68.   Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
Maury and the rest could have made a few bucks by televising the stonings though...

69.   Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
Odd, that you don't see more folks incensed by this...

70.   Entering a place where there's a dead body as a priest (21:11)
Which pretty much means that all our chaplains are boned.

71.   Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
And in fairness, it's rude too. Eating mama and her babies is just greedy...

72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
Sadly, this means no liquor stores open on Saturday or Sunday...

73.   Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
Man, we are going to need a LOT of stones. Just in the State legislatures, and let's not even get onto Congress...

74.   Inflicting an injury; killing someone else's animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
This WOULD end cockfighting and dogfighting quick though...

75.   Selling land permanently (25:23)
Odd, you don't see more protests and signs around real estate agencies...

76.   Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
So, I guess we should be OK with slaves again?
2013-07-15 07:42:25 PM
3 votes:

jonny_q: Coco LaFemme: Because let's face it, if you're anti-gay rights, you hate gays. There's no way to intelligently defend a stance that assumes homosexuals should be afforded second-class citizen status to heterosexuals unless you hate homosexuals.

This is just plain not true. I don't really want to argue the finer points of it, and I don't have a problem with people being for or against gay marriage. By saying that those against gay marriage logically must hate guys, you have a bad starting point for discussion, because there is plenty of room for A to be true and B to be false.


Hatred is behaviour. Denying others a right you claim for yourself is demonstrably hateful. One can rationalize one's behaviour, based on religion, ideology, or whatever, but one is still behaving in a hateful manner.

"Those who would deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves."
-- A. Lincoln
2013-07-15 06:11:08 PM
3 votes:
No money in being anti-gay? lmao1. Convince low-income, ill-educated working stiffs that Teh Ghey is after their chilluns.2. Present your pro-corporate wealth party as the party of "God", upholding His laws3. Working people flock to the polls like an angry, disturbed hive to vote for your candidates--against their own best financial and social interests.4. Pass pro-corporate legislation to shove billions into the pockets of the wealthy elite, at the expense of social programs, infrastructure, and other public "goods"5. Profit *enormously*6. Rinse, repeat, endlessly
2013-07-15 06:04:05 PM
3 votes:
*reads article*

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2013-07-15 05:41:28 PM
3 votes:
Jesus supported traditional marriage so much that he himself never got married, and encouraged his followers to not get married.
2013-07-15 04:27:09 PM
3 votes:
I can only assume that this is going green on the Main Page because some people need to go back to school with their trolling.

This guy... this guy can troll.
2013-07-15 09:28:02 PM
2 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.


No, it really isn't, or else adultery and idolatry would be the same commandment, rather than two separate sins listed in the Ten Commandments.  Why do you think you know theology better than God Himself?


Mouser: Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.

I'm reminded of a parable.  Jesus liked parables.  You should like parables.

Two traveling monks reached a river where they met a young woman. Wary of the current, she asked if they could carry her across. One of the monks hesitated, but the other quickly picked her up onto his shoulders, transported her across the water, and put her down on the other bank. She thanked him and departed.

As the monks continued on their way, the one was brooding and preoccupied. Unable to hold his silence, he spoke out. "Brother, our spiritual training teaches us to avoid any contact with women, but you picked that one up on your shoulders and carried her!"

"Brother," the second monk replied, "I set her down on the other side, while you are still carrying her."


So, I ask you, who is the one serving two masters: the one with the healthy sex life, or the one who denies himself sexual pleasure while always struggling against his urges?

/Yes, it's a Buddhist parable, but that's really not the point.
2013-07-15 09:03:04 PM
2 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


Wrong. Also the Bible never condemns spanking it. The sin of Onan was not blowing his load inside his dead brother's wife, as the law expected him to do. See back then if your brother was married and you weren't and he died, you were expected to take over as her husband without question. And that included having kids with her. And Onan just wasn't into that. Calling masturbation Onanism is about as valid as calling teh buttsex Sodomy, it represents a complete misunderstanding of what the Biblical story is actually about.
2013-07-15 08:08:36 PM
2 votes:

jonny_q: Coco LaFemme: Because let's face it, if you're anti-gay rights, you hate gays. There's no way to intelligently defend a stance that assumes homosexuals should be afforded second-class citizen status to heterosexuals unless you hate homosexuals.

This is just plain not true. I don't really want to argue the finer points of it, and I don't have a problem with people being for or against gay marriage. By saying that those against gay marriage logically must hate guys, you have a bad starting point for discussion, because there is plenty of room for A to be true and B to be false.


Prove it.  Give the case for someone who is opposed to gay marriage yet does not feel any animosity towards gays whatsoever.

I'm sorry, but "this is just plain not true, but I don't really want to argue the finer points of it" isn't a convincing argument, and we've reached the point, like it or not, where you have to defend the position if you expect anyone (who isn't themself opposed to gay rights already) to take it seriously.

/with apologies to those who find the intensive pronoun "themself" grating
//And yes, I do mean intensive, not reflexive.
2013-07-15 07:48:17 PM
2 votes:

gimmegimme: I know this sounds crazy, but why don't we just stop believing that Bronze Age myths are real?


Because conservative brains are

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Solid, hard, unchangeable, thick, inflexible, dense...
2013-07-15 07:36:28 PM
2 votes:

cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


Well, if you put money in the collection plate, then you are actively acting against reproductive rights, gay rights, and science in general, plus supporting a worldwide pedophile ring.  Doesn't matter what you personallyclaim to believe, your actions (supporting the Catholic Church) are actively harming people.
2013-07-15 07:32:10 PM
2 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


So he gave us this wonderful cock and denounces us for enjoying it. God sounds kind of like a knob.

Anyway, I don't serve my cock, my cock serves me. And my lady.
2013-07-15 06:24:55 PM
2 votes:
Much like a skilled yogi, it takes years and years of practice to be able to perform the mental contortions necessary to argue that opposing civil rights for a marginalized group actually places you in solidarity with those on the right side of history.
2013-07-15 06:04:43 PM
2 votes:

Brick-House: Looking how the female vote slanted toward BOB, I'm still opposed to women coating.


I love wimmin in coats. Yeah...only coats...short little coats with their hair done up all nice...pencil sticking out of their messy hair...

What was this about?
2013-07-15 05:26:13 PM
2 votes:
The Christian bible condones slavery.

1 Timothy 6:1-5

Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

1 Peter 2:18-29

Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval.
2013-07-15 04:13:48 PM
2 votes:
Dumbfark gay-basher that works for a dumbfark gay-bashing organization acts like a dumbfark gay-basher?

Shocking!
2013-07-16 12:16:25 AM
1 votes:

Government Fromage: megarian: 39.   Having sex with a man "as one does with a woman" (18:22)
There it is. THIS apparently is THE important one.

Since men don't have a vagina, this rule is stupid and unneeded. Problem solved.


Holy fark.

EVERYONE WINS!
2013-07-15 10:04:42 PM
1 votes:

artemusprine: cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"

I honestly don't understand this...  If you merely called yourself Christian you would be able to cite numerous verses that support a fair and equal treatment of the members of the LGBTQ community.  You could say you aren't held to Rabbinical law by Jesus' teaching.  But in calling yourself Catholic you are claiming to be a member of an organization you don't agree with.  Why not join a church whose teachings are compatible with your beliefs?


As a Catholic generally in cookiefleck's shoes, it's just not that simple.  It's like being a Browns fan.

Each and every year, you go out, hoping you'll finally have a good team (change stances on key issues).  But inevitably, they let you down (and fire someone who advocated support for gay marriage, or whatever).  But you can't just leave, you grew up with this team and you genuinely want them to succeed.  So maybe, to show your displeasure, you stop going to the games (mass) and stop buying their merchandise (collections), but once your diehard-fan family finds out, they start accusing you of abandoning the team (leaving the faith).
Maybe, if you're old enough, you can remember a time when they were a good team and hadn't yet lost sight of what was really important, the fans (helping the poor).  They're different now, though, and only seem to care about the fundamentals (fundamentalists), even if it costs them the game (membership, especially young people).
So really, there's not much you can do.  You don't really want to switch to another, better managed team (switching religions), although it would be nice to finally be part of a winning organization.  Maybe, you hope, enough people will just stop going and management will get the message and start making some changes.  But until some of the older, more die-hard fans (fundamentalists) die off, you don't think you'll see any changes.  One day, though, they'll be good again...
2013-07-15 09:27:31 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


Replace "cock" with "money" and the same argument could be made about capitalism.
2013-07-15 09:18:25 PM
1 votes:

42_42_42: 25.   Having sex with your mother (18:7), 26.   Having sex with your father's wife (18:8), 27.   Having sex with your sister (18:9), 28.   Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10), 29.  Having sex with your half-sister (18:11), 30.   Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13), 31.   Having sex with your uncle's wife (18:14), 32.   Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15), 33.   Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16), 34.   Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17), 35.   Marrying your wife's sister while your wife still lives (18:18), 37.   Having sex with your neighbour's wife (18:20), 40.   Having sex with an animal (18:23)

What the holy fark  were people doing in the ancient near east that these rules had to be codified?!?!  Was everyone just boning everyone and anyone and everything and anything in sight? These rules make the Bunny Ranch look like a convent for crissakes! Seriously, what the fark people, just because there's a hole there doesn't mean you have to stick your dick into it!


In fairness, have you watched daytime TV in the last fifteen, twenty years? Seriously. There are some messed up folks in this world, and not just from the hills up in the Appalachians. And apparently, they has been messed the f*ck up for more than a few thousand years. Just LOOK at the tales of the Greek gods, even the Norse for that matter. Cripes, my own mother's people. Amaterasu, Goddess of the Sun, was tricked to come out of Ama-no-Iwato by a cootchie dance. People have been messed up for a LONG ass time...
2013-07-15 09:18:20 PM
1 votes:

CruJones: Broseph 12: 27  Douche not unto others, lest thou be spoken of as a douche.  Be cool to all.

Or a favorite of mine from Bill S. Preston, Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan:  Be excellent to each other.  And party on dudes.

/article's logic makes as much sense as quoting Bill and Ted


Sadly, I find the fictional words of bill and ted to be far more reasonable than those of a real person. Lots of idiots on this world.
2013-07-15 08:58:36 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


I honestly don't understand this...  If you merely called yourself Christian you would be able to cite numerous verses that support a fair and equal treatment of the members of the LGBTQ community.  You could say you aren't held to Rabbinical law by Jesus' teaching.  But in calling yourself Catholic you are claiming to be a member of an organization you don't agree with.  Why not join a church whose teachings are compatible with your beliefs?
2013-07-15 08:55:09 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: So they're pushing "progay" as a word?


I'm fine with it, personally.  I use the terms "pro-gay rights,"  "gay-friendly," and "gay-positive" pretty much interchangeably.  I don't mind using or being called "pro-gay" or "progay."

Why, is there something bad about the term "pro-gay"?
2013-07-15 08:39:47 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


And I'll bet each of them would not consider themselves to be a bigot, despite displaying bigoted opinions.
2013-07-15 08:38:22 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: So they're pushing "progay" as a word?


It's apparently some kind of insult.
2013-07-15 08:36:18 PM
1 votes:
Question: Why can't Christian deal with homosexuality like they deal with the whole being stoned to death for eating shellfish on the wrong day thing, by completely ignoring it?

These people are farking Biblical cherry pickers. There are tons of completely stupid laws in the Bible that not even the most ardent believer follows. Its almost as if these people refer to the Bible when they want to find some justification for their own personal prejudices and hang-up, but no, that can't be it.

/Looks forward to the day where superstition isn't the primary belief system of a majority of Americans
2013-07-15 08:35:55 PM
1 votes:

ten foiled hats: letrole: full-tilt homosexual-atheist circle-jerk

Keith Morris, Christopher Hitchens, and Richard Simmons walk into a bar...


It's a pity when folks of faith aren't knee jerking asshats who hate folks for the folks that they love. That is the REAL lesson here. If you want to be someone who is known for your faith, it's about what you hate, not what you love. Anything else, and you're just another atheist, even if you are an adherent to a faith. I'm so glad that folks are here to ifrom us about what we ought to be.

Of course, there was that pesky Matthew...

7Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
2013-07-15 08:27:15 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: TopoGigo: letrole: the good thing about all the old testament strawman arguments is that they can be used to mop up the spooge from the full-tilt homosexual-atheist circle-jerk

/ b-b-but lobster, answer that!

Lobster is my surname, you ass.

Nice!

I wonder, though, do you suppose it's just more trolling when he talks about "strawman arguments," or is "strawman" being redefined to mean "an argument I don't like"?

Also, it's not lobster, it's shrimp, silly troll people!


They're both crustaceans and wasn't the law against bottom feeders? It's been awhile but I know Southern Baptist that love their catfish.
2013-07-15 08:23:37 PM
1 votes:

megarian: That was detailed, informative, and just plain fun. Thanks.


Hubie may be one of the smartest most well reasoned people I know on fark, and that's no joke.

/BTW been a while girl : )
2013-07-15 08:12:13 PM
1 votes:
How do I score some of that sweet pro-gay money? Does being an atheist disqualify me?
2013-07-15 08:11:24 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.

The sin of Soddom wasn't the gayness, but the whole idea of raping the visitors.

"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." But they said, "Stand aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway. Then the men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place; for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the Lord that the Lord has sent us to destroy it."

The wickedness is less about the "relations" that they weren't upon having, but the capriciousness and the rudeness to guests. Fathers, owned their daughters, so offering up the girls was ...


Epic post is epic.

i.imgur.com
2013-07-15 08:11:24 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.

The sin of Soddom wasn't the gayness, but the whole idea of raping the visitors.

"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." But they said, "Stand aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway. Then the men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place; for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the Lord that the Lord has sent us to destroy it."

The wickedness is less about the "relations" that they weren't upon having, but the capriciousness and the rudeness to guests. Fathers, owned their daughters, so offering up the girls was something he could do, offering up grown men, that's a whole different kettle of fish, at the time. You don't just toss out guests to a rape mob, ESPECIALLY if said guests are there to judge the city on its merits as a town deserving to be struck from the Earth. Then again, the Bible is fairly strong, including in Leviticus on the treatment of guests to your lands.

What astounds me, are of all the things that the Bible condemns, homosexuality is just one thing, of many, that folks seem to take way out of context. When, there are so very many things that the Bible considers, especially Leviticus, as being REALLY bad. Take Leviticus, just as the example, since THAT one seems to be the IMPORTANT book, and the hippy dippy crap about some kid from Nazareth is just so much Newage junk...

1.       Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
Not a huge problem nowadays.

2.       Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
Again, not a huge deal to most Christian churches.

3.       Eating fat (3:17)
Southern cuisine is in trouble

4.       Eating blood (3:17)
German cuisine is in trouble.

5.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've witnessed (5:1)
Congress is in trouble.

6.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've been told about (5:1)
Congress is REALLY in trouble

7.       Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
Hope you don't like pork...

8.       Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
Again, Congress is REALLY in trouble

9.       Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
HOAs are against God...

10.   Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
Much of America is DOOMED...

11.   Bringing unauthorized fire before God (10:1)
The candle trade for saints is apparently DOOOOOOM!

12.   Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
Hipsters, teens, and much of Hollywood is DOOOOOMED!

13.   Tearing your clothes (10:6)
Wrasslin' is the work of the Debbil

14.   Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
Catholics, we're looking right at you....

15.   Eating an animal which doesn't both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
Rib joints are the work of the Debbil...

16.   Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
Hope you aren't a fan of football...

17.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
Red Lobster is the work of the Debbil...

18.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
In fairness, this means that Newage folks are DOOOOOMED!

19.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
Cicadas may be out.

20.   Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
Roof rabbit may have doomed the entire Greatest Generation...

21.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
Hope you haven't had gator bites...

22.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
Rattlesnake BBQ is RIGHT out...

23.   Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
Hope you aren't having that Christening too early, you naughty folks...

24.   Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
See the above, but double time for the girlchil'run...

25.   Having sex with your mother (18:7)
Which is not a bad rule to have, but let's face it, this rule pretty much takes out a good section of 90s day time TV

26.   Having sex with your father's wife (18:8)
Not a bad rule either, but see the above section on reality TV...

27.   Having sex with your sister (18:9)
This one is going to have Kentucky and good sections of the South, and Maine in trouble...

28.   Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
Not a bad rule at all, and...ewww

29.  Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
See the earlier section on day time TV...

30.   Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
Again, see the section on day time TV...

31.   Having sex with your uncle's wife (18:14)
Man, Maury would be screwed if we damn everyone for this...

32.   Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
Maury may have sent a brazillion folks to Hell for this...

33.   Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
Congress may be in trouble here too...

34.   Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
Alan Clarke and Maury are soooo screwed on this.

35.   Marrying your wife's sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
Man, day time TV is just rife with sinfulness. Should we let children watch this smut?

36.   Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
Redwings. Apparently, always a bad idea...

37.   Having sex with your neighbour's wife (18:20)
Congress, and a fair amount of middle America is sooooo boned...

38.   Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
In fairness, I'm all for religious freedom, but this seems like a good, commonsense rule.

39.   Having sex with a man "as one does with a woman" (18:22)
There it is. THIS apparently is THE important one.

40.   Having sex with an animal (18:23)
The Scots apparently have generations of sending kindling to Hell...

41.   Making idols or "metal gods" (19:4)
Catholics, you may be in some trouble here...

42.   Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
Yup. We're supposed to leave stuff for the poor and destitute to glean from the fields...

43.   Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
Factory farming is the work of the Debbil...

44.   Stealing (19:11)
Congress and much of the legal system is so screwed...

45.   Lying (19:11)
Is there anything Congress CAN do then?

46.   Swearing falsely on God's name (19:12)
Pat Robertson and Congress apparently makes Jehovah wroth...

47.   Defrauding your neighbor (19:13)
Real estate and much of America is boned. You'll note how wroth folks are about this one, while being ghey is just the work of the Debbil...

48.   Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
Paychecks are the work of the Debbil...

49.   Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
God is hard on douchebags...

50.   Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
Congress in both houses are boned...

51.   Spreading slander (19:16)
As are the tabloids...

52.   Doing anything to endanger a neighbour's life (19:16)
Most of America and the "here, hold my beer" crowd is screwed...

53.   Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
Congress...you are sooooooooo going ALL of you to Hell...

54.   Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
Walmart, Sears, and Target. Agents of Satan...

55.   Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
God IS against GMO husbandry...

56.   Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
Put down the basil and the tomatoes. I don't care if they DO complement one another's growth, it's BAD!

57.   Sleeping with another man's slave (19:20)
Seriously. Bad form folks. Bad form.

58.   Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
The apple industry is the work of the Debbil...

59.   Practicing divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
Miss Cleo is the work of the Debbil, and here we have this sin IN OUR PAPERS!

60.   Trimming your beard (19:27)
Look at all the dirty bastiches who do this. LOOK AT THEM!

61.   Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
The Marines are the work of the Debbil...

62.   Getting tattoos (19:28)
Tramp stamps and memorial tattoos are the work of the Debbil...

63.   Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
Daytime TV is SUCH a sinful place...

64.   Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
Miss Cleo. Leading a nation into sin and depravity...

65.   Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
Welp, this one seems right out today...

66.   Mistreating foreigners - "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born"  (19:33-34)
Guess that means we can stop those Oathkeepers and Sheriff Joe from being mean to the immigrants then, right? Border fences are the Debbil's chopsticks I guess...

67.   Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
My industry is boned as a whole, as is pretty much most of the oil industry as well...

68.   Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
Maury and the rest could have made a few bucks by televising the stonings though...

69.   Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
Odd, that you don't see more folks incensed by this...

70.   Entering a place where there's a dead body as a priest (21:11)
Which pretty much means that all our chaplains are boned.

71.   Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
And in fairness, it's rude too. Eating mama and her babies is just greedy...

72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
Sadly, this means no liquor stores open on Saturday or Sunday...

73.   Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
Man, we are going to need a LOT of stones. Just in the State legislatures, and let's not even get onto Congress...

74.   Inflicting an injury; killing someone else's animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
This WOULD end cockfighting and dogfighting quick though...

75.   Selling land permanently (25:23)
Odd, you don't see more protests and signs around real estate agencies...

76.   Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
So, I guess we should be OK with slaves again?


That was detailed, informative, and just plain fun. Thanks.
2013-07-15 08:05:53 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


I would wonder why you still consider yourself catholic.
2013-07-15 07:53:04 PM
1 votes:

Snapper Carr: *reads article*


I feel dumber for having read that pile of shiat.
2013-07-15 07:52:26 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: 42_42_42: phalamir: Coco LaFemme: I'm an atheist, but I'm pretty sure Jesus never told his followers to hate anyone.

Luke 14:26  If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.

That is the J Man speaking directly

Again, to understand ANYTHING in the Bible properly, you have to understand its historic and social context:

It's also worth pointing out that the Bible wasn't written in English, nor did Jesus ever speak English.  Any time someone "quotes" Jesus in English, it is at best a paraphrase (even if the original written record really were a perfect transcription, which they almost certainly weren't).  One must acknowledge that the real meaning could be lost in translation.

My favorite example of this, silly as it might be, is "thigh," which was used at the time as a euphemism for "penis."  So all of those stories in the Bible in which a man was "struck in his thigh" or "suffered an injury to his thigh" refer to nasty things happening to their penises.


The Bible was also written 200 years after Jesus. So any quotes attributed to him are gossip at best and outright lies at worst.
2013-07-15 07:48:01 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


Some of us have a problem with people who support kiddie-diddlers.
2013-07-15 07:44:32 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: That's not a difficult decision at all. It's attached to me, and Jesus forgives.


That's the best part of being a Christian! You can go out and do whatever you want, as long as you have time to repent at the last minute.
2013-07-15 07:38:08 PM
1 votes:

Mambo Bananapatch: Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.

So he gave us this wonderful cock and denounces us for enjoying it. God sounds kind of like a knob.

Anyway, I don't serve my cock, my cock serves me. And my lady.


Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


Who the fark tries to anthropomorphize an anatomical feature? I guess the same people that think a imaginary sky wizard controls their fate...
2013-07-15 07:28:53 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


Cock cock cock! I wish all my problems were that easy.
2013-07-15 07:26:44 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


That's not a difficult decision at all. It's attached to me, and Jesus forgives.
2013-07-15 07:26:16 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: "Sexual immorality", whether it's adultery, sodomy, fornication, or just spanking it to girly magazines, is a form of idolatry.  It is worship of one's sexuality above the God who created it.

Jesus said a man cannot serve two masters.  You can serve God, or you can serve your cock.  Pick one.


I hope this is a joke. Damn Poe's law.
2013-07-15 07:18:58 PM
1 votes:

codergirl42: The My Little Pony Killer: cookiefleck: 42_42_42: codergirl42: cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"

How do you reconcile those beliefs if you also give money to the catholic church? Do you just like to donate to pedophile-protecting, woman-hating anti-choice, anti-gay bigots while also donating to LGBTQ community and pro-choice organizations?   Not sure how you can justify that, does it work like carbon offsets?

Maybe he only gives money that supports local programs within his diocese or parish that don't conflict with his values.

Not everyone in the Catholic church is like what you stated. Unfortunately, a lot of those in the old boys' club in the higher positions of power are. But things are changing, albeit slowly.

at the end of the day, it shouldn't matter what label you give yourself, FFS. Just make your life and others a better place and actually "do something" not sit behind a monitor and proclaim to be morally superior, without doing anything.

At the same time, if the label you choose for yourself is one that is already associated with certain ways of thinking, you can't honestly be that shocked when people lump the entire shebang together. Nobody cares about the nuance.

If you choose to prop up a belief system that supports the things I listed above, even if you do not agree you are part of the problem.


I can understand that, I mean there are LGBT friendly churches that don't give money to groups that support hate and bigotry. They could join one of those if they wanna hold on to their faith or whatever.

This was an interesting documentary BTW on Netflix
www.scncucc.org
2013-07-15 06:59:06 PM
1 votes:
letrole: Tthe good thing about all of the Oold Ttestament strawmanmen arguments is that they can be used to mop up the spooge from the full-tilt homosexual-atheist circle-jerk .

/ b-b-but lobster, answer that!


Also, they work pretty well at making hypocrites out of the most sanctimonious people on the planet.
2013-07-15 06:57:02 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: cookiefleck: 42_42_42: codergirl42: cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"

How do you reconcile those beliefs if you also give money to the catholic church? Do you just like to donate to pedophile-protecting, woman-hating anti-choice, anti-gay bigots while also donating to LGBTQ community and pro-choice organizations?   Not sure how you can justify that, does it work like carbon offsets?

Maybe he only gives money that supports local programs within his diocese or parish that don't conflict with his values.

Not everyone in the Catholic church is like what you stated. Unfortunately, a lot of those in the old boys' club in the higher positions of power are. But things are changing, albeit slowly.

at the end of the day, it shouldn't matter what label you give yourself, FFS. Just make your life and others a better place and actually "do something" not sit behind a monitor and proclaim to be morally superior, without doing anything.

At the same time, if the label you choose for yourself is one that is already associated with certain ways of thinking, you can't honestly be that shocked when people lump the entire shebang together. Nobody cares about the nuance.


If you choose to prop up a belief system that supports the things I listed above, even if you do not agree you are part of the problem.
2013-07-15 06:52:22 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: 42_42_42: codergirl42: cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"

How do you reconcile those beliefs if you also give money to the catholic church? Do you just like to donate to pedophile-protecting, woman-hating anti-choice, anti-gay bigots while also donating to LGBTQ community and pro-choice organizations?   Not sure how you can justify that, does it work like carbon offsets?

Maybe he only gives money that supports local programs within his diocese or parish that don't conflict with his values.

Not everyone in the Catholic church is like what you stated. Unfortunately, a lot of those in the old boys' club in the higher positions of power are. But things are changing, albeit slowly.

at the end of the day, it shouldn't matter what label you give yourself, FFS. Just make your life and others a better place and actually "do something" not sit behind a monitor and proclaim to be morally superior, without doing anything.


At the same time, if the label you choose for yourself is one that is already associated with certain ways of thinking, you can't honestly be that shocked when people lump the entire shebang together. Nobody cares about the nuance.
2013-07-15 06:43:36 PM
1 votes:
the good thing about all the old testament strawman arguments is that they can be used to mop up the spooge from the full-tilt homosexual-atheist circle-jerk

/ b-b-but lobster, answer that!
2013-07-15 06:37:02 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


How do you reconcile those beliefs if you also give money to the catholic church? Do you just like to donate to pedophile-protecting, woman-hating anti-choice, anti-gay bigots while also donating to LGBTQ community and pro-choice organizations?   Not sure how you can justify that, does it work like carbon offsets?
2013-07-15 06:35:14 PM
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Broseph 12: 27  Douche not unto others, lest thou be spoken of as a douche.  Be cool to all.

Or a favorite of mine from Bill S. Preston, Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan:  Be excellent to each other.  And party on dudes.

/article's logic makes as much sense as quoting Bill and Ted
2013-07-15 06:35:01 PM
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FizixJunkee: Pincy: So if you support equal rights for everyone then you are "pro-gay"?  I'm not even sure what "pro-gay" is?  Am I supposed to be rooting for them or something?  "Gooooooooo Gay Team!"

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Okay, that image is farking disgusting. Let's just encourage men to fake interest in one of the few bastions of women's athletics so that they can ToUcH BoObZzZ.

disgusting.
2013-07-15 06:32:54 PM
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cookiefleck: In my experience, here and on other online forums, once I've admitted to people that, yes I'm Catholic but am pro choice, supporting of the LGBTQ community, I get the whole "well, you can't be a good person, even though you donate time and money to those wanting to advance rights for all, just because you're Catholic"


I imagine you'd get more grief in a Catholic forum than you would in this one. Catholics aren't supposed to be pro-choice or gay-friendly. Just ask the Holy Father.

Mind you, if you're one of those maverick Catholics who wants to reform the institution, more power to you. Otherwise, why be a Catholic? I don't mean to be snarky, I am genuinely curious about people who reject Catholic values but want to be Catholics.
Ant
2013-07-15 06:30:41 PM
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Ow! I just sprained my brain trying to do the mental contortions necessary to understand this.
2013-07-15 06:28:56 PM
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He sure knows a lot about misinterpreting scripture. But then again, everyone does.
2013-07-15 06:26:57 PM
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The thing is, those that use quotes from the Bible to support anti-homosexual bigotry are completely ignoring the historical and social context in which the Bible was written.

They are obviously cherry-picking which of all of the hundreds of Old  Covenant "laws" they want to follow--those same laws which Jesus's sacrifice and the New Covenant are supposed do away with, so they shouldn't be using those for justification for anything anyway.

And Paul didn't want anyone to fark anyone, period because he thought the world was going to end, like, tomorrow, so we all should spend all of our time praying. Obviously, the world didn't end when he thought it would and if everyone had done as he advocated, Christianity would have died out just like the Shakers.

These bigots are actually the ones misinterpreting/misunderstanding the Bible, not the pro-gay rights Christians.

The bigots are most certainly not following Jesus's message.

But, then, the vast majority of people who proclaim themselves Christian don't know anything really about the religion they profess. If they did, a lot of these problems would go away.

/Episcopalian, aka a Christian that doesn't throw logic and thinking out the window
2013-07-15 06:26:22 PM
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gimmegimme: I know this sounds crazy, but why don't we just stop believing that Bronze Age myths are real?


Because if you live by Bronze Age rules, you can hate anybody you like, and it's not really hate 'cause it's ok with God.
2013-07-15 06:25:05 PM
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Lutrasimilis: Pincy: So if you support equal rights for everyone then you are "pro-gay"?  I'm not even sure what "pro-gay" is?  Am I supposed to be rooting for them or something?  "Gooooooooo Gay Team!"

It means that you're able to live on the same planet as gay people without having a giant spasm.


I think perhaps it is the potential for "giant spasms" being what scares him most about being associated with gay folks.
2013-07-15 06:17:53 PM
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gimmegimme: I know this sounds crazy, but why don't we just stop believing that Bronze Age myths are real?


i39.tinypic.com
2013-07-15 06:15:13 PM
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Lutrasimilis: Pincy: So if you support equal rights for everyone then you are "pro-gay"?  I'm not even sure what "pro-gay" is?  Am I supposed to be rooting for them or something?  "Gooooooooo Gay Team!"

It means that you're able to live on the same planet as gay people without having a giant spasm.


Oh, I get it now.  So when they say "pro-gay" they really mean "decent human being".  But they can't say "decent human being" because then that would make them "complete assholes".
2013-07-15 06:09:10 PM
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Pincy: So if you support equal rights for everyone then you are "pro-gay"?  I'm not even sure what "pro-gay" is?  Am I supposed to be rooting for them or something?  "Gooooooooo Gay Team!"


It means that you're able to live on the same planet as gay people without having a giant spasm.
2013-07-15 06:04:51 PM
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Who cares, as long as the Christian bigots are attacking and alienating other Christians for a change.
2013-07-15 06:04:32 PM
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I'm an atheist, but I'm pretty sure Jesus never told his followers to hate anyone.  Therefore, I don't see the conundrum in someone being both a Christian and pro-gay rights.  Because let's face it, if you're anti-gay rights, you hate gays.  There's no way to intelligently defend a stance that assumes homosexuals should be afforded second-class citizen status to heterosexuals unless you hate homosexuals.
2013-07-15 06:01:02 PM
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The Retarded is strong in this article.
2013-07-15 05:50:48 PM
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Sgt Otter: FTA: But there exists no such financial benefit for people who correctly interpret scripture in reference to homosexual practices. No one who believes, teaches and upholds the sexual standards of the bible stands to benefit financially from doing so.

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Marcus Bachmann's "gay therapy clinic" has defrauded the government out of over $100,000 in Medicaid payments since it opened a few years ago.

FTFY

2013-07-15 05:21:24 PM
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I was fully prepared to be angered by this and primed to offer a refutation.  But I'm really more confused than anything.

factoryconnection: This guy... this guy can troll.


No doubt!
2013-07-15 04:19:44 PM
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But there exists no such financial benefit for people who correctly interpret scripture in reference to homosexual practices. No one who believes, teaches and upholds the sexual standards of the bible stands to benefit financially from doing so.

Also the dumbfark gay-bashing organization took in over $13 million in 2011 from dumbfark donors, so I would say they are profiting from it.
2013-07-15 04:18:09 PM
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Many Christians were slave owners and opposed suffrage. So the trolly headline fails unless both conditions are  both anecessary and asufficient condition for opposing those things.
 
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