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2013-07-15 04:28:03 PM

Goodluckfox: My point being is that his facebook posting was ambiguous enough that it could have resulted in an impromptu rally and impact city services. There are ways to go about things. Some are smarter than others.


i can see it now

"FARK PARTY NSA GERMANY. BRING YOUR LEDERHOSEN. Jullian Assange will be there, drinking shots from this TFette's bellybutton."
 
2013-07-15 04:29:56 PM

Goodluckfox: I know a homeless guy. He's something of an "executive homeless" type of person. He's got permission from a sympathetic landowner to camp out on the back side of the property, has a solar shower set up, really has this being homeless thing down to a fine art. He supports himself by selling paintings, and the guy is damn good.

He's active in the Occupy type movements, and has plenty of friends.

He announced that he was going to have a "Freedom to Assemble" rally/birthday party at the sidewalk near the intersection where he likes to hang out at. If you're a homeless person, where do you celebrate your birthday? On the street of course (or more accurately, the sidewarlk).

Being an attorney and sympathetic to this guy's cause, I investigated the local ordinances etc. There are some good reasons not to tolerate large masses of people showing up UNANNOUNCED on the streets; there are traffic, safety, and sanitation issues. It turns out that the local rule is that for less than 25 people or so, there's nothing required. For more than 25 people, a permit must be applied for that lets the city know such things as the route being taken (for a parade), whether any lanes of any streets need to be shut down, whether any barricades or trash bins are necessary, etc. I wasn't sure how many people would show up, but I could see it being around 30 or so. Better safe than sorry.

The night of the rally/birthday party, i set  up my camera to record the entire thing. I also set up a couple of bubble machines. I highly HIGHLY recommend bubble making machines for your next street rally. It really adds something festive. We never had more than 25 people at any one time it turned out. There was lots of sidewalk chalking, and biatching about The Man. I was in full lawyer regalia in case there was any police interaction, but none ever materialized. I did get to take a picture of me in one of those Guy Fawkes mask things, so I had that going for me. Which was nice.

There was some kind of ga ...



Da comrade, cool story.

As for SCIF security, from what I've read about the one Bradley Manning worked at, they might as well have gone out and handed over passwords to classified intelligence to the average Iraqi citizen. Geez, they didn't even check everyone's bags as they reported in and out of duty.
 
2013-07-15 04:44:42 PM
In addition to interrogating him, government officials requested that he cease lighting fires with the sparks shooting out his ass from his enormous brass balls:

"He put on a 'Team Edward' T-shirt with a picture of NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden, and answered scores of questions about his plans."
 
2013-07-15 04:54:54 PM
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2013-07-15 04:55:55 PM

Philimus: As for SCIF security, from what I've read about the one Bradley Manning worked at, they might as well have gone out and handed over passwords to classified intelligence to the average Iraqi citizen. Geez, they didn't even check everyone's bags as they reported in and out of duty


That is correct. Occasionally you'll get pulled to the side but there is not a check on everyone every time. You still need your cleared badge and pin to get anywhere useful.

I can't remember the protocols that well anymore but I know that (in the Air Force working under the NSA) high side computers weren't allowed to have CD Rom drivers. The only one in the building with one was in Information Assurance and it required two person authentication to use it. It should raise alarms if anyone has outside electronic devices inside the SCIF, especially if they don't have the sticker and control number to show that it has been processed by IA. Hell, we weren't even allowed to have our own radios in the office because the speakers could be converted into microphones.

BTW the agencies also do tests to check failure rates on their own employees. Drop various thumbdrives and cds around the parking lot and building, the test is to see who turns it in. If you put it in your own system you will be locked out until you call the number on screen. There was a decent percentage that would go and put it in their own work computer, instead of telling security forces at entry control and then taking it down to Information Assurance so it could be run on the sandboxed PC. If you fail that test you get to take a remedial OPSEC course.
 
2013-07-15 05:06:59 PM
Goodluckfox: The city really does sort of deserve to know what's going on,


"... and I will meet with people who share my interests, and walk and talk.  Do they let you do that?"


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2013-07-15 05:53:49 PM

MadHatter500: Ambitwistor: ikanreed: And the German government puts up with this?

They were the ones knocking on the door.

They like knocking on doors.  It's so... traditional.


Here in the US we wish they knocked.  It would be a huge step up.
 
2013-07-15 05:55:05 PM
A headline about spies and cops?
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2013-07-15 06:56:28 PM

Tenatra: Philimus: As for SCIF security, from what I've read about the one Bradley Manning worked at, they might as well have gone out and handed over passwords to classified intelligence to the average Iraqi citizen. Geez, they didn't even check everyone's bags as they reported in and out of duty

That is correct. Occasionally you'll get pulled to the side but there is not a check on everyone every time. You still need your cleared badge and pin to get anywhere useful.

I can't remember the protocols that well anymore but I know that (in the Air Force working under the NSA) high side computers weren't allowed to have CD Rom drivers. The only one in the building with one was in Information Assurance and it required two person authentication to use it. It should raise alarms if anyone has outside electronic devices inside the SCIF, especially if they don't have the sticker and control number to show that it has been processed by IA. Hell, we weren't even allowed to have our own radios in the office because the speakers could be converted into microphones.

BTW the agencies also do tests to check failure rates on their own employees. Drop various thumbdrives and cds around the parking lot and building, the test is to see who turns it in. If you put it in your own system you will be locked out until you call the number on screen. There was a decent percentage that would go and put it in their own work computer, instead of telling security forces at entry control and then taking it down to Information Assurance so it could be run on the sandboxed PC. If you fail that test you get to take a remedial OPSEC course.


but do you get to keep the thumbdrive if you turn it in all proper? those 8 gb jobs are NIIICICCCEEE.
 
2013-07-15 07:01:12 PM

Goodluckfox: He announced that he was going to have a "Freedom to Assemble" rally/birthday party at the sidewalk near the intersection where he likes to hang out at. If you're a homeless person, where do you celebrate your birthday? On the street of course (or more accurately, the sidewarlk).

Being an attorney and sympathetic to this guy's cause, I investigated the local ordinances etc. There are some good reasons not to tolerate large masses of people showing up UNANNOUNCED on the streets; there are traffic, safety, and sanitation issues. It turns out that the local rule is that for less than 25 people or so, there's nothing required. For more than 25 people, a permit must be applied for that lets the city know such things as the route being taken (for a parade), whether any lanes of any streets need to be shut down, whether any barricades or trash bins are necessary, etc. I wasn't sure how many people would show up, but I could see it being around 30 or so. Better safe than sorry.

The night of the rally/birthday party, i set  up my camera to record the entire thing. I also set up a couple of bubble machines. I highly HIGHLY recommend bubble making machines for your next street rally. It really adds something festive. We never had more than 25 people at any one time it turned out. There was lots of sidewalk chalking, and biatching about The Man. I was in full lawyer regalia in case there was any police interaction, but none ever materialized. I did get to take a picture of me in one of those Guy Fawkes mask things, so I had that going for me. Which was nice.


There was some kind of gay pride something or other parade that some guy wanted to do right around the same period. It was shot down, and the guy screamed Help Help I'm Being Oppressed. The fact is just that he was a kid and he didn't have the right paperwork and hadn't jumped through the appropriate hoops or even realized that he needed to. The city really does sort of deserve to know what's going on, especially when it can impact traffic, safety, sanitation, etc.
My point being is that his facebook posting was ambiguous enough that it could have resulted in an impromptu rally and impact city services. There are ways to go about things. Some are smarter than others.



I have an issue with being forced to ask the permission of the government to exercise a right guaranteed in the Constitution.  Our rights are gradually being eroded until there is nothing left at all and a majority of the populace agrees with the erosion.  There was a reason the founders enumerated those rights - they had experience with what happens when the government suppresses them.  Our freedom is falling by the wayside and it isn't because there is a compelling reason, it is so people can feel safer (not that the assaults on the constitution in the name of fighting terrorism has actually made anybody any safer as the odds of actually being affected by a terrorist attack were exceeding slim to begin with) or so a municipality isn't inconvienienced.  This isn't an indictment of you personally Goodluckfox, but your description of permits to peaceably assemble brought to mind "free speech zones" and other recent action by the government to curtail our (natural-born) rights.
 
m00
2013-07-15 08:04:35 PM

ikanreed: And the German government puts up with this?  This seems like the kind of thing that'll get our nice little NATO bases kicked out.


This was only so civil because it was in Germany. If it was in the US, there would be a swat raid, his dog would get shot, and he might get shot for cooking his breakfast and holding his frying pan menacingly as they barged in. Then the swat team would get medals. And the media wouldn't report it, because you know... national security.

Hang on, there's someone at the door.
 
2013-07-15 08:10:42 PM

m00: Hang on, there's someone at the door.


oh dude did the NSA get you?
 
m00
2013-07-15 08:42:58 PM

utah dude: m00: Hang on, there's someone at the door.

oh dude did the NSA get you?


I am fine.The knock at the door was just pizza, that I had ordered and neglected to mention. I will now leave Fark forever for unrelated personal reasons. If anyone wants to contact me to discuss feelings on the NSA, please feel free to do so and include as much information about yourself as possible.
 
2013-07-15 09:21:42 PM
Just don't drive that Mercedes C250 after midnight  The car's electronics may conflict with NSA signals and behave erratically, accelerating to 180 kph and launching the engine.
 
2013-07-15 10:24:46 PM

m00: I am fine.The knock at the door was just pizza, that I had ordered and neglected to mention. I will now leave Fark forever for unrelated personal reasons. If anyone wants to contact me to discuss feelings on the NSA, please feel free to do so and include as much information about yourself as possible.


dude. seriously. i'm a stones throw from bluffdale, need more money, hate my current job, and have a background in stuff tangentially-related to cryptoanalysis. please pass my contact info to your captors. gov't bennies at my degree level are phat, this would really help my family out.
 
2013-07-15 10:58:10 PM

ikanreed: And the German government puts up with this?  This seems like the kind of thing that'll get our nice little NATO bases kicked out.


"Those foreigners are just going to have to learn how to rape themselves."  -- Bill Maher
 
2013-07-15 11:07:23 PM

m00: utah dude: m00: Hang on, there's someone at the door.

oh dude did the NSA get you?

I am fine.The knock at the door was just pizza, that I had ordered and neglected to mention. I will now leave Fark forever for unrelated personal reasons. If anyone wants to contact me to discuss feelings on the NSA, please feel free to do so and include as much information about yourself as possible.


Be sure to tie your hands tightly behind your lower back before emptying the clip into your head.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:11 PM

m00: utah dude: m00: Hang on, there's someone at the door.

oh dude did the NSA get you?

I am fine.The knock at the door was just pizza, that I had ordered and neglected to mention. I will now leave Fark forever for unrelated personal reasons. If anyone wants to contact me to discuss feelings on the NSA, please feel free to do so and include as much information about yourself as possible.


Be sure to tie your hands tightly behind your lower back before emptying the clip into your head.

Oh, and, can you wag, can you wag, wag the dog?
 
2013-07-16 07:52:43 AM
CorruptDB:

No offense taken. There are, in fact, SOME restrictions on speech. And permits are pretty much a SHALL issue sort of thing, subject only to REASONABLE time/place/manner restrictions that can be no more restsrictive than necessary to achieve a legitimate government purpose, and the whole process has to be neutral with regard to the actual content of the planned speech.

In the example I cited, it's only when the number of people get up to around 25 or so that the ordinance applies, that being the number of people it would take to make a significant impact to traffic, safety, sanitation, etc. Less than that and the City can't legitimately say you are causing a problem just by stanidng there with a sign. More than that, they need a heads up so they can plan accordingly to ACCOMODATE you.

That's probably a good way to look at it. It's not so much a "permit" as it is a "work order" for the city telling them what THEY are going to have to do to accomodate YOU.
 
2013-07-16 05:17:15 PM
Wolf_Blitzer:  if a "walk" turns into a riot that compromises the security of a US base

Hello? It's Germany, full of extremely disciplined German people. Riots only happen every 70 years, and the last one was just 24 years ago.
Plus: Stop being such farking cowards, you pussies! It's hard to believe you've won two world wars if you guys piss your pants because some people might take a walk near a fence.
 
2013-07-16 06:39:16 PM
Klopfer
Hello? It's Germany, full of extremely disciplined German people. Riots only happen every 70 years, and the last one was just 24 years ago.

Depending on your definition. The G8 in 2007 lead to some arguably riotous behavior. There have been some large protests against nuclear power in the last ~3 years, including a 'human mass blockade' against a train carrying nuclear waste, which have occasionally turned violent.
 
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