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(Washington Post)   "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" and "The Newsroom": One is a fitting document for our times. The other one is facile and stale and written by Aaron Sorkin   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 86
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2013-07-15 01:41:38 PM  
Olivia Munn in formal business wear..


ger
 
2013-07-15 01:42:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Olivia Munn in formal business wear..


ger


"We're both nerds, missy and you make us look bad!"

"No no, I make us look goooooooooood"

/I love when Drunk Sam Waterson and Olivia Munn go at it
 
2013-07-15 01:43:58 PM  
It's so cool to hate on the Newsroom.

In actuality it's a really good show.

Cue the - "but women are portrayed poorly, it's really mean to right-wing by quoting things right wingers actually said, and 'it insists upon itself.'"

Proceed.
 
2013-07-15 01:44:59 PM  

somedude210: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Olivia Munn in formal business wear..


ger

"We're both nerds, missy and you make us look bad!"

"No no, I make us look goooooooooood"

/I love when Drunk Sam Waterson and Olivia Munn go at it


oh snap.. I need to watch the show then. Tho the thought of a drunk nekid Sam Waterson makes me...

I dont really have a word for what my stomach is doing right now. I'd throw up if my stomach would stop turning long enough to figure out which way was out.
 
2013-07-15 01:45:39 PM  
 
2013-07-15 01:51:02 PM  

justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?


I hope you are being sarcastic.

Macguffin 1 leads to an interesting conversation which doesn't go anywhere and to pick things up they introduce Macguffin 2 and so forth. The plot and characterization in this show is pretentious crap.
 
2013-07-15 01:56:55 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?

I hope you are being sarcastic.

Macguffin 1 leads to an interesting conversation which doesn't go anywhere and to pick things up they introduce Macguffin 2 and so forth. The plot and characterization in this show is pretentious crap.


By pretentious, I assume you mean, 'accurately portrays the faults with current media,' because it does.

Feel free to be very specific though. I have a feeling we're about to find out you don't watch the show, never have, and have formed your opinions entirely based on media critics who dislike the show because it shines a very unfavorable light on them and their work.
 
2013-07-15 01:57:37 PM  

justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?


people rag on the use of Coldplay in this but it does actually work for this scene
 
2013-07-15 01:58:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?

I hope you are being sarcastic.

Macguffin 1 leads to an interesting conversation which doesn't go anywhere and to pick things up they introduce Macguffin 2 and so forth. The plot and characterization in this show is pretentious crap.


And looking at your profile has confirmed my suspicions. No need to embarrass yourself further. Thanks.
 
2013-07-15 02:02:33 PM  
This is a good scene too: OBL
 
2013-07-15 02:07:18 PM  
I like the Newsroom very much.  In a sea of reality crap which is a God damned blight on society and an embarrassment to humanity, a nicely-written, entertaining, at times both funny and poignant show is a farking treasure.

Is it formulaic at times?  Sure.  Does Sorkin repeat himself?  Sure.

But if you prefer Here Comes Honey Boo, The Kardashians, Real Housewives etc, then fark you.  Just farking fark you, you farking fark.
 
2013-07-15 02:14:28 PM  
Also a great scene: Mock debate

/When Don says "eat me" that's usually the end of the conversation
 
2013-07-15 02:32:55 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: But if you prefer Here Comes Honey Boo, The Kardashians, Real Housewives etc, then fark you.  Just farking fark you, you farking fark.


image.guardian.co.uk
 
2013-07-15 02:35:32 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I like the Newsroom very much.  In a sea of reality crap which is a God damned blight on society and an embarrassment to humanity, a nicely-written, entertaining, at times both funny and poignant show is a farking treasure.

Is it formulaic at times?  Sure.  Does Sorkin repeat himself?  Sure.

But if you prefer Here Comes Honey Boo, The Kardashians, Real Housewives etc, then fark you.  Just farking fark you, you farking fark.


Agree.

Obligatory:
Walk with me.
 
2013-07-15 02:36:26 PM  

justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?


That was awesome.
 
2013-07-15 02:36:27 PM  
I'm a big liberal and loved The American President. I've probably watched it a few dozen times. I couldn't stand to get more than a couple episodes into Newsroom. I don't have anything against people enjoying the show, I just couldn't do it.

The "here is how the media should have handled X" was an interesting premise, but I couldn't get past the liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different." Wanted to love it. I just couldn't.
 
2013-07-15 02:42:59 PM  

Quasar: liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different."


See, here's what I don't get. Most of the stuff talked about by Will in the show is the old school republicanism (we're talking like Reagan republicanism), but I get that since such a concept is so foreign to the modern iteration of the GOP that any attack on their current state is akin to someone kicking you in the nads. I get it, I really do. But he does show a great deal of Republican ideals, as well as pragmatic Republican ideals. But I'm sorry that mocking the party as it stands and stating what needs to be done to fix it is not treason of the party.

The arguments I hear from those preaching about how it's too "Liberal circle-jerky" keeps reminding me of the RNC guy at the end of that mock debate clip posted up thread. Trying to weed out the crazies from the party is akin to treason of the party. We're doing it to make us feel good, not to have a rational conversation about what needs to be done to fix the party. Heavens to betsy noooo
 
2013-07-15 02:45:32 PM  

justtray: Because People in power are Stupid: justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?

I hope you are being sarcastic.

Macguffin 1 leads to an interesting conversation which doesn't go anywhere and to pick things up they introduce Macguffin 2 and so forth. The plot and characterization in this show is pretentious crap.

And looking at your profile has confirmed my suspicions. No need to embarrass yourself further. Thanks.


Oh I see, Person X is this type of person and therefor believes Y. You are a pretentious person as well.

Good Day Sir!
 
2013-07-15 02:48:28 PM  

somedude210: Quasar: liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different."

See, here's what I don't get. Most of the stuff talked about by Will in the show is the old school republicanism (we're talking like Reagan republicanism), but I get that since such a concept is so foreign to the modern iteration of the GOP that any attack on their current state is akin to someone kicking you in the nads. I get it, I really do. But he does show a great deal of Republican ideals, as well as pragmatic Republican ideals. But I'm sorry that mocking the party as it stands and stating what needs to be done to fix it is not treason of the party.

The arguments I hear from those preaching about how it's too "Liberal circle-jerky" keeps reminding me of the RNC guy at the end of that mock debate clip posted up thread. Trying to weed out the crazies from the party is akin to treason of the party. We're doing it to make us feel good, not to have a rational conversation about what needs to be done to fix the party. Heavens to betsy noooo


This is really all you need to know about the current state of the RNC:

http://www.primarymycongressman.com/
 
2013-07-15 02:52:00 PM  

bdub77: http://www.primarymycongressman.com/


Hot damn, crazy in the information age. I got a weird Infowars vibe from that. I'm shocked that the two women they have on the front page didn't have "because she left the kitchen without my sandwich" as a reason to primary them.
 
2013-07-15 02:56:36 PM  

somedude210: bdub77: http://www.primarymycongressman.com/

Hot damn, crazy in the information age. I got a weird Infowars vibe from that. I'm shocked that the two women they have on the front page didn't have "because she left the kitchen without my sandwich" as a reason to primary them.


The best part about it is who they are actively trying to get rid of. Renee Elmers? Really? She's not crazy enough for you? I mean how f*cked up do you have to be to put Mike Simpson (votes with GOP 92.2% of the time) on the 'not crazy enough' scale?
 
2013-07-15 02:59:47 PM  

bdub77: The best part about it is who they are actively trying to get rid of. Renee Elmers? Really? She's not crazy enough for you? I mean how f*cked up do you have to be to put Mike Simpson (votes with GOP 92.2% of the time) on the 'not crazy enough' scale?


That's like calling Michelle Bachmann "Republican...but not pants on the head retarded/crazy Republican enough"

/that's really sad
 
2013-07-15 03:02:59 PM  
Wait, are we supposed to hate The Newsroom now? fark, i can never keep up...
 
2013-07-15 03:04:51 PM  
This show is awesome. Haters gonna hate.
 
2013-07-15 03:04:54 PM  

Quasar: The "here is how the media should have handled X" was an interesting premise, but I couldn't get past the liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different." Wanted to love it. I just couldn't.


I don't dislike The Newsroom, but to me the actual premise is what put me off a bit. We live in era of increased media scrutiny, and for what feels like years now you have 10,000 pundits and bloggers detailing HOW stories are covered as they happen, let alone the actual events and stories themselves.

There's some compelling characters and scenes on the show, but the whole point of it is kind of...well...firmly entrenched in "yeah, no sh*t" territory.
 
2013-07-15 03:05:07 PM  

justtray: It's so cool to hate on the Newsroom.


What is this shiat about people saying "it's cool to hate on something"? Like people are sitting around smoking hookahs hating on things and thinking they are so awesome. Maybe people just don't like annoying people talking quickly in the same voice in an endless corridor now that Robert Guillaume is dead.
 
2013-07-15 03:08:01 PM  
Newsroom sucks. I can't believe someone thought it'd be entertaining to have a show set behind the scenes at a news channel.
 
2013-07-15 03:08:52 PM  

justtray: It's so cool to hate on the Newsroom.

In actuality it's a really good show.

Cue the - "but women are portrayed poorly, it's really mean to right-wing by quoting things right wingers actually said, and 'it insists upon itself.'"

Proceed.


Are you saying that poor portrayals of women are not a reason to criticize something? Or that the show does a good job of portraying women?

somedude210: See, here's what I don't get. Most of the stuff talked about by Will in the show is the old school republicanism (we're talking like Reagan republicanism), but I get that since such a concept is so foreign to the modern iteration of the GOP that any attack on their current state is akin to someone kicking you in the nads. I get it, I really do. But he does show a great deal of Republican ideals, as well as pragmatic Republican ideals. But I'm sorry that mocking the party as it stands and stating what needs to be done to fix it is not treason of the party.


Liberal circlejerk... conservative circlejerk... media/political circlejerks are just not good TV. Period.

The Newsroom is like watching a particularly excitable professor give a lecture on some obscure computer programming language. In contrast,  Scandal (which is ridiculously addictive) is like watching the media/political version of  Live Free or Die Hard.
 
2013-07-15 03:09:34 PM  

creepy ass-cracka: Newsroom sucks. I can't believe someone thought it'd be entertaining to have a show set behind the scenes at a news channel.


I love the new breed of troll accounts. So fresh and virile
 
2013-07-15 03:09:42 PM  

Mugato: now that Robert Guillaume is dead.


When did that happen?  Are you sure you're not thinking of Abe Vigoda?
 
2013-07-15 03:10:09 PM  
I think I'd enjoy Newsroom better if it had to operate within the constraints of network TV.
 
2013-07-15 03:12:40 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Mugato: now that Robert Guillaume is dead.

When did that happen?  Are you sure you're not thinking of Abe Vigoda?


He's not dead? Well he retired from Sports Night, which was the better show.

/sorry for calling you dead, Rob
 
2013-07-15 03:13:59 PM  

FishyFred: Are you saying that poor portrayals of women are not a reason to criticize something? Or that the show does a good job of portraying women?


well unlike most cable tv shows, we haven't seen tits. It seems to at least respect the viewer enough that it believes it's compelling enough to not have people show up for the hope of seeing tits.

But I admit, Sorkin is notorious for writing terrible roles for women.

FishyFred: Liberal circlejerk... conservative circlejerk... media/political circlejerks are just not good TV. Period.

The Newsroom is like watching a particularly excitable professor give a lecture on some obscure computer programming language. In contrast, Scandal (which is ridiculously addictive) is like watching the media/political version of Live Free or Die Hard.


and The West Wing is like a Poli. Sci. professor getting all giddy as they explain the constitution and how it was formed?
 
2013-07-15 03:14:19 PM  

justtray: It's so cool to hate on the Newsroom.

In actuality it's a really good show.

Cue the - "but women are portrayed poorly, it's really mean to right-wing by quoting things right wingers actually said, and 'it insists upon itself.'"

Proceed.


Last season it started strong but quickly went to not even worth a hate watch. I'm hoping the season is better.
 
2013-07-15 03:16:58 PM  

Mugato: AdolfOliverPanties: Mugato: now that Robert Guillaume is dead.

When did that happen?  Are you sure you're not thinking of Abe Vigoda?

He's not dead? Well he retired from Sports Night, which was the better show.



Sports Night died because Sorkin wanted to concentrate on his Clinton fanfic.

/and I'm still bitter
 
2013-07-15 03:20:40 PM  

somedude210: FishyFred: Liberal circlejerk... conservative circlejerk... media/political circlejerks are just not good TV. Period.

The Newsroom is like watching a particularly excitable professor give a lecture on some obscure computer programming language. In contrast, Scandal (which is ridiculously addictive) is like watching the media/political version of Live Free or Die Hard.

and The West Wing is like a Poli. Sci. professor getting all giddy as they explain the constitution and how it was formed?


Sure. I guess that works.
 
2013-07-15 03:20:46 PM  

Killer Cars: Quasar: The "here is how the media should have handled X" was an interesting premise, but I couldn't get past the liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different." Wanted to love it. I just couldn't.

I don't dislike The Newsroom, but to me the actual premise is what put me off a bit. We live in era of increased media scrutiny, and for what feels like years now you have 10,000 pundits and bloggers detailing HOW stories are covered as they happen, let alone the actual events and stories themselves.

There's some compelling characters and scenes on the show, but the whole point of it is kind of...well...firmly entrenched in "yeah, no sh*t" territory.


There's also something weird about a fictional newsroom that wants to put facts in a historical context... a historical context that takes Aaron Sorkin two years after the fact to figure out.
 
2013-07-15 03:20:54 PM  
I wanted to like it, and I can deal with most of the preachiness of Sorkin.  But holy crap on a cuestick, that Occupy chick needed to shut the hell up.  after about 2 minutes of her talking I turned off the TV.
 
2013-07-15 03:23:32 PM  

cartersdad: I wanted to like it, and I can deal with most of the preachiness of Sorkin.  But holy crap on a cuestick, that Occupy chick needed to shut the hell up.  after about 2 minutes of her talking I turned off the TV.


Neal just put with her for so long so he could get in her pants...he failed because he told her that they need to get a single message, but still, that's why we focused so long, to see if Neal found happiness in PhD candidate/activist girl
 
2013-07-15 03:27:17 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Sports Night died because Sorkin wanted to concentrate on his Clinton fanfic.


I never even saw West Wing. Studio 60 wan't a bad show about tv production though. Lots of corridors in a TV studio to walk and talk in.
 
2013-07-15 03:30:38 PM  

FishyFred: Are you saying that poor portrayals of women are not a reason to criticize something? Or that the show does a good job of portraying women?


Characters are characters. All of the characters on Newsroom are neurotic, male and female alike. The criticism of the female characters in the show comes from cherry picking Maggie and McKenzie.

As an aside, the worst character on the show is Don.
 
2013-07-15 03:31:22 PM  

somedude210: creepy ass-cracka: Newsroom sucks. I can't believe someone thought it'd be entertaining to have a show set behind the scenes at a news channel.

I love the new breed of troll accounts. So fresh and virile


Even if I were a troll, that doesn't excuse The Newsroom. I could only put up with it for 3 or 4 episodes. But, on the other hand I refuse to even say the name "Honey boo-boo" out loud. The SouthPark mockery of it was funny, tho.
 
2013-07-15 03:32:14 PM  

somedude210: Quasar: liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different."

See, here's what I don't get. Most of the stuff talked about by Will in the show is the old school republicanism (we're talking like Reagan republicanism), but I get that since such a concept is so foreign to the modern iteration of the GOP that any attack on their current state is akin to someone kicking you in the nads. I get it, I really do. But he does show a great deal of Republican ideals, as well as pragmatic Republican ideals. But I'm sorry that mocking the party as it stands and stating what needs to be done to fix it is not treason of the party.

The arguments I hear from those preaching about how it's too "Liberal circle-jerky" keeps reminding me of the RNC guy at the end of that mock debate clip posted up thread. Trying to weed out the crazies from the party is akin to treason of the party. We're doing it to make us feel good, not to have a rational conversation about what needs to be done to fix the party. Heavens to betsy noooo


I think that Tate Brady was a perfect analogy for all the people bashing the show for being 'preachy'. He's everyone saying that Sorkin just wants to puff himself up by picking on conservatives, when what he really wants to do is improve things for everyone by saying what needs to be said. Yet even with that scene being in the show, people still miss the point. I don't know, maybe people are missing it on purpose.
 
2013-07-15 03:32:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: justtray: How can anyone watch THIS and not think this is great television?

I hope you are being sarcastic.

Macguffin 1 leads to an interesting conversation which doesn't go anywhere and to pick things up they introduce Macguffin 2 and so forth. The plot and characterization in this show is pretentious crap.


...I believe that's called "storytelling". Perhaps you might want to read a few to know the formula.

/Great television doesn't necessarily break the mold. A lot of it is that which uses the mold well.
 
2013-07-15 03:38:45 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Olivia Munn in formal business wear..


ger


Very yummo.
 
2013-07-15 03:41:28 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I like the Newsroom very much.  In a sea of reality crap which is a God damned blight on society and an embarrassment to humanity, a nicely-written, entertaining, at times both funny and poignant show is a farking treasure.

Is it formulaic at times?  Sure.  Does Sorkin repeat himself?  Sure.


And?  Considering all the reality garbage, this is high-brow TV.

But if you prefer Here Comes Honey Boo, The Kardashians, Real Housewives etc, then fark you.  Just farking fark you, you farking fark.

So much this.  Seriously, anybody that watches reality TV has confidence issues.  Not even kidding when I say that.
 
2013-07-15 03:45:53 PM  

Quasar: I'm a big liberal and loved The American President. I've probably watched it a few dozen times. I couldn't stand to get more than a couple episodes into Newsroom. I don't have anything against people enjoying the show, I just couldn't do it.

The "here is how the media should have handled X" was an interesting premise, but I couldn't get past the liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different." Wanted to love it. I just couldn't.


Always remember that next to last scene in TAP when Shepard calls out his rival for the BS and I think "GODDAMNIT! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THIS IN RL?!"

Seriously, I can understand tact but...for once I would want Obama to call out Congress/Republicans in that "Meet me outside so I can bash your skull in" attitude.

/Then again, his master-class in trolling does make up for it somewhat.
 
2013-07-15 03:48:35 PM  
One of the best shows on TV.
 
2013-07-15 03:48:38 PM  

Killer Cars: Quasar: The "here is how the media should have handled X" was an interesting premise, but I couldn't get past the liberal circle jerk disguised behind "but he's a Republican so it's different." Wanted to love it. I just couldn't.

I don't dislike The Newsroom, but to me the actual premise is what put me off a bit. We live in era of increased media scrutiny, and for what feels like years now you have 10,000 pundits and bloggers detailing HOW stories are covered as they happen, let alone the actual events and stories themselves.

There's some compelling characters and scenes on the show, but the whole point of it is kind of...well...firmly entrenched in "yeah, no sh*t" territory.


Unfortunately, some people need it repeated over and over.  You, me and about 20-30 million other people "get it".  Others' attention spans aren't so great and the right...well, they live in an echo chamber so fark 'em.
 
2013-07-15 03:57:13 PM  
Came here for the Honey Boo Boo discussion.  Leaving disappointed.
 
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