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(Forbes)   Schadenfreude time: Unions cry that ObamaCare will shatter their benefits and destroy the 40 hour work week. You supported it, you live with it   (forbes.com) divider line 88
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2013-07-15 01:56:25 PM  
9 votes:
Health benefits shouldn't be tied to your job anyway.
2013-07-15 02:40:30 PM  
7 votes:

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.


Except when it doesn't.
2013-07-15 01:51:37 PM  
7 votes:
If you want to stop this.....Start publishing the names of companies that do this and start boycotting them.

Consumer spending makes up more than 70 percent of our economy. Even a small shift in public perception can really effect the bottom line.

Papa John's founder figured this out pretty quick.
2013-07-15 01:37:50 PM  
6 votes:

SlothB77: health care costs go up


Happened before Obamacare as well. Like, you know, for the last few decades. Consistently.
2013-07-15 01:03:26 PM  
6 votes:
Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?
2013-07-15 04:20:48 PM  
5 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: Headso: tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE that we HOPED for.

Isn't the change republicans hoped for some kind of theocratic oligarchy?

I don't know what republicans wanted.


But you sure seem to know all the talking points.

So what?
I know the liberals talking points too..."but...but...but...BUSH!"



Actually you only seem to know Parodies of liberal talking points.
2013-07-15 02:42:01 PM  
5 votes:

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.


You should take another economics class, it is a lot more complicated than that.
2013-07-15 01:03:14 PM  
5 votes:
Conservatives: Outraged about how bad something it will be, until they realize it could be bad for someone they don't like. At which point, they're OK with it.
2013-07-15 02:55:32 PM  
4 votes:
Any failings in the Affordable Care Act could be fixed by Congress, it is after all their job, but the Republicans absolutely refuse to do anything that will benefit the non-rich.
2013-07-15 02:40:30 PM  
4 votes:

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.


That has never been true in the whole history of the modern world. Not ever.
2013-07-15 02:37:30 PM  
4 votes:
Seems like single payer is the answer.
2013-07-15 02:37:28 PM  
4 votes:

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


Because health care prices were not going up at all before the ACA right?
2013-07-15 01:37:54 PM  
4 votes:
Forget odumbocare, just go to single payer and be done with it. fark the reoubs. Make it an executive order.
2013-07-15 01:11:25 PM  
4 votes:
"The percentage of workers employed part-time has been rising since 2007, increasing from 16.7 percent to 22.2 percent in 2011, the EBRI said. Over that period, the nonpartisan, nonprofit research institute found part-time workers experienced a much larger decline in health coverage than fulltime workers. Between 2007 and 2011, full-time workers experienced a 2.8 percent reduction in the likelihood of having coverage from their own jobs, while part-time workers suffered a 15.7 percent decline."

http://www.benefitspro.com/2013/05/28/shift-to-part-time-workers-beg an -pre-ppaca
2013-07-15 01:00:55 PM  
4 votes:
Well, Obamacare is the bastard son of what the Heritage Foundation once dreamed up...
2013-07-15 07:42:27 PM  
3 votes:
We should go single payer and save hundreds of billions of dollars. It works in many places around the world.
2013-07-15 04:22:21 PM  
3 votes:

Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: Headso: tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE that we HOPED for.

Isn't the change republicans hoped for some kind of theocratic oligarchy?

I don't know what republicans wanted.


But you sure seem to know all the talking points.

So what?
I know the liberals talking points too..."but...but...but...BUSH!"


Actually you only seem to know Parodies of liberal talking points.


He knows what Fox, Limbaugh and Beck tell him the liberal talking points are.
2013-07-15 03:33:34 PM  
3 votes:

hasty ambush: xanadian: Well, Obamacare is the bastard son of what the Heritage Foundation once dreamed up...

I did not realize that Obama and the Democrats were tools of the Heritage Foundation. If only Obama would have disclosed this before election time it might have changed the way you voted.

Government sizes control of 10% of the economy and people, for some stupid reason, expect good things to happen. Obamacare was not about providing healthcare to the uninsured (there are plenty of easier, less costly ways of doing that). It was about expanding the power of the Federal government.


Name them, then tell us why the GOP and teabaggers would support them.
2013-07-15 02:43:39 PM  
3 votes:

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


www.washingtonpost.com

Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.
2013-07-15 02:38:32 PM  
3 votes:

SlothB77: Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.

Health care costs were high
After Obamacare: health care costs continue to go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result of being assholes. Workers find new and better jobs. Company A dies of talent attrition.

Edited for accuracy.
2013-07-15 02:34:25 PM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.


frankly I don't think that would be a bad idea at this point
2013-07-15 01:17:15 PM  
3 votes:

SilentStrider: Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.

If the end times means I get to watch St. Peter laugh in a Republican's face when they ask to get into heaven, then bring 'em on.


I think it means they all get raptured, and we get some peace and quiet here on earth.
2013-07-15 01:04:01 PM  
3 votes:
Well, since it was originally a Republican plan, you knew workers would get hurt
2013-07-15 04:14:43 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Headso: tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE that we HOPED for.

Isn't the change republicans hoped for some kind of theocratic oligarchy?

I don't know what republicans wanted.



But you sure seem to know all the talking points.
2013-07-15 03:52:10 PM  
2 votes:

Serious Black: Sigh. Avik, you have proven time and time again that you are a moronic hack who carries water for the GOP. I refuse to read your articles anymore unless given cause.


But they write for Forbes.  Certainly, no one that writes for Forbes would try to falsely present arguments in favor of business interests?  Certainly Forbes isn't the type of magazine to be read by the type of people that would love to blame everything on Obama?
2013-07-15 03:34:21 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: But now, unions are waking up to the fact that Obamacare is heavily disruptive to the health benefits of their members.

Well, I'm not a part of a union, but my wife's insurance open enrollment just ended, meaning that the new insurance plan rates went into effect. As a result:

1. I got a $25 check for an out of pocket co-pay at some point.
2. My Chiro comped me, and told me that I had 6 more free visits coming because the insurance rebated a lot of money to him.
3. My 'scripts that cost $3 each(Still a great price) cost $4.17 to fill THREE. One was as low as 72 cents.

I just for the life of me can't figure out what happened in the last year to cause me to get all of these benefits. The insurance increase also wasn't wny more than normal.

/Weird, isn't it? I was supposed to be selling organs just to cover a medical copay at this point, according to the Right.


It is infuriating that insurance companies or the government pays for Chiropractors.
2013-07-15 03:13:53 PM  
2 votes:
The author of the editorial is classic concern trolling, a member of Mitt Romney's losing team...
2013-07-15 03:05:07 PM  
2 votes:
But now, unions are waking up to the fact that Obamacare is heavily disruptive to the health benefits of their members.

Well, I'm not a part of a union, but my wife's insurance open enrollment just ended, meaning that the new insurance plan rates went into effect. As a result:

1. I got a $25 check for an out of pocket co-pay at some point.
2. My Chiro comped me, and told me that I had 6 more free visits coming because the insurance rebated a lot of money to him.
3. My 'scripts that cost $3 each(Still a great price) cost $4.17 to fill THREE. One was as low as 72 cents.

I just for the life of me can't figure out what happened in the last year to cause me to get all of these benefits. The insurance increase also wasn't wny more than normal.

/Weird, isn't it? I was supposed to be selling organs just to cover a medical copay at this point, according to the Right.
2013-07-15 03:02:22 PM  
2 votes:

Corvus: Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.


Yes, but let's not overlook like some Saudi Shiek will go into MD Anderson to raise his chances of survival from pancreatic cancer from 1% to 1.25%, therefore we have the greatest system in the world that best serves the needs for for  300 million Americans.
2013-07-15 03:01:45 PM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

...if you really think that corporations won't try and pull the "Part-time no benefits" stunt, then you probably think that some Texas hospital will ever give admitting privileges to a known abortion doctor, especially after the new law is in place.


The ACA defines "full time" as 30-hours per week, per month, on average. Good luck trying to run a competitive business without full time employees under that definition.
2013-07-15 02:59:48 PM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: "The percentage of workers employed part-time has been rising since 2007, increasing from 16.7 percent to 22.2 percent in 2011, the EBRI said. Over that period, the nonpartisan, nonprofit research institute found part-time workers experienced a much larger decline in health coverage than fulltime workers. Between 2007 and 2011, full-time workers experienced a 2.8 percent reduction in the likelihood of having coverage from their own jobs, while part-time workers suffered a 15.7 percent decline."

http://www.benefitspro.com/2013/05/28/shift-to-part-time-workers-beg an -pre-ppaca


Let's look at it from the flip side then.

- Businesses with 20 to 99 employees, those with the most impetus to either stop hiring or fire people to get under the 50 employee threshold, make up only 9% of American businesses.
- Just more than six out of seven businesses with 25 to 49 employees offer health insurance as a benefit.
- Just fewer than nineteen out of twenty businesses with 50 to 199 employees offer health insurance as a benefit.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/healthcare/relax-obamacare-s-employer -m andate-affects-few-businesses-20130703
2013-07-15 02:46:59 PM  
2 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: Corvus: SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x454]

Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.

Damn President Fart and his FARTARDIS.



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2013-07-15 02:12:53 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: Yup. Everything everywhere is Obamas fault. The fact that corporations are dicking over us workers just to be spiteful biatches is ENTIRELY Obamas fault as well.

I love a "lets throw the evil fat cat CEOs under the bus" thread just as much as the next guy but you'd think that if the head of a Union could blame a company he would blame a company. That way he could demand more money/time off/other benefits for his members. But he's not?! He's blaming the people he helped elect. What good is that doing his members? Or himself? He's not going to get a better contract from anyone because of his actions on this matter. So why do it? Could it be that Obamacare is the nightmare that we have been saying it was? No that can't be it.

Sorry about trying to make comments about the article, I've interrupted the boss bashing thread. My bad


You know what, it was big bosses bad decisions that lead us to this place.

Corporations had had the biggest profits ever historically. They refuse to share the wealth with the laborers who help them gain that wealth.

So fark em. When there was commies in this world corporations HAD to provide a better living conditions to keep from political overthrow from happening. Now there is no threat.
2013-07-15 01:46:29 PM  
2 votes:

SlothB77: After Obamacare: health care costs go up


no kidding. healthcare costs were totally stable before obamacare. totally.
2013-07-15 01:15:36 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.


If the end times means I get to watch St. Peter laugh in a Republican's face when they ask to get into heaven, then bring 'em on.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-15 01:02:20 PM  
2 votes:
So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

www.strangecosmos.com
2013-07-16 06:50:50 PM  
1 votes:

meyerkev: So I worked at a golf course one summer. They'll actually all start doing this once Obamacare kicks in because you get 90+% of your work done between 5 AM and 9 AM before the golfers get out, and then nothing done thereafter.

So hire a dozen guys to show up at 5 AM, give them fark-all for benefits, and then have 3 guys stay on as full timers to do the necessary all-day work.


So the obvious question is, why weren't the employees all part-time already?
2013-07-15 07:09:02 PM  
1 votes:

highendmighty: Thrag: highendmighty: WhyteRaven74: highendmighty: it is completely unsustainable.

Prove it.

Google it.

Did you really think this answer would accomplish anything but make you look like a complete idiot who is incapable of supporting their assertions? What on earth leads you to believe that "google it" is an actual argument?

What makes you think "prove it" is a viable argument in a Fark thread?


Sanity and common sense is what makes me think that asking someone to "prove it" is valid. Asking someone for proof of an assertion is always valid.

You seem to now have a clue how debate on a subject works. When you make an assertion, it is your responsibility to back it up. If you cannot even make the slightest attempt to support your assertions, you get rightly laughed out of the room.
2013-07-15 07:05:35 PM  
1 votes:

Thrag: highendmighty: WhyteRaven74: highendmighty: it is completely unsustainable.

Prove it.

Google it.

Did you really think this answer would accomplish anything but make you look like a complete idiot who is incapable of supporting their assertions? What on earth leads you to believe that "google it" is an actual argument?


What makes you think "prove it" is a viable argument in a Fark thread?
2013-07-15 06:52:58 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

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Seriously, these people act like strategically keeping workers just below full time so they don't qualify for benefits is a new thing.  It's not; just ask the folks who work at Wal-Mart.
2013-07-15 05:52:00 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Then it becomes me attacking unions, being jealous of union workers, me trying to destroy unions, me bending over and taking it from the man because I'm not in a union. And I apparently gave something up on purpose and now resent unions and union workers because of that.

It's pure union dogma. Not based in fact, personal or otherwise, in this case. In a union hall it's something you can nod your head, chant, dance and more to. But in this context it's just a slab of rotting hyperbole slapped down by rote.


You keep telling yourself that. The rest of us have actually noticed as the private sector gave up their pensions, benefits, and job security.
2013-07-15 05:45:07 PM  
1 votes:

trey101: xanadian: Well, Obamacare is the bastard son of what the Heritage Foundation once dreamed up...

butt,butt, BUshia


trey101: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, since it was originally a Republican plan, you knew workers would get hurt

butt, butt, BUSH!


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2013-07-15 05:34:10 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Your union bosses need to back off a bit. You're fully in and fully foaming.


I'm not in any union, and I'm not a public employee. I work in the private sector, and am fortunate enough to be employed by a place where they have a full benefits package plus a 401k and a company paid for pension plan.

What you need to do is to realize that over the last 30 or so years your employers and their puppetmasters on Wall street have f*cked you raw and bleeding, and you let them. At least a union would have given you a condom and some lube.
2013-07-15 05:28:24 PM  
1 votes:

b2theory: I don't want to take anything away. I just think people with pensions should recognize that they have something of serious value.


They do have something of value... and so did a good portion of the people in the private sector at one time, along with high union membership. Yet in the decades after the 1960's they chose to give those things away, and now whine that they no longer exist. Or more precisely, that someone else has them.

Employers chose to implement 401k plans instead of defined benefits, employees bent over and said "okay".
Employers chose to redefine benefits packages to eliminate dental and vision plans, employees bent over and said "okay".
Employers chose to outsource and send as many jobs overseas as possible, employees bent over and said "okay".
Employers chose to cut hours and pay, citing "business reasons", code for "we have to buy the CEO another gold yacht and get shareholders another nickel per share", employees bent over and said "okay".
Employers now choose to blame the ACA for all their assholiness, and as usual employees will bend over and say "okay".

The private sector has given up it's most powerful force for equality, the union. It is their fault they have lost whatever little that public sector employees still have, and it is not right to try and take from those workers because of this.
My aunt calls this train of thought "crabs in a bucket", where in trying to get out of the trap crabs will fight and kill each other to get to the opening, dragging the other crabs down where they are.
2013-07-15 05:22:31 PM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.

If the end times means I get to watch St. Peter laugh in a Republican's face when they ask to get into heaven, then bring 'em on.


I always imagined the Rapture as some sort of Outer Limits episode where the self-righteous get removed to their own world and it turns into hell while the Left Behind benefit from their departure.
2013-07-15 04:43:39 PM  
1 votes:
Are we allowed to take this mentality and use it against people who were for The Patriot Act before they were against it?
2013-07-15 04:34:55 PM  
1 votes:
Unions are the free market's response to corporate power. If employees can't turn to unions for help leveling the playing field, then they'll turn to the government. Don't want the government mucking about in your business? Let unions do what they're designed to do.
2013-07-15 04:33:00 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Public sector is where the unions are really going to be hammered. Many government employees at all levels have sweetheart health plans with minimal contributions. The pressure will be on to make those benefits more in line with what most Americans will have.


Here's a thought... instead of trying to pull someone else down, why not boost yourself up?

Folks like you bending over and taking whatever your employers want to give them (or being a cheap ass if you are an employer) are what is destroying unions and making decent benefits and pensions, once a norm in the private sector, as rare as he's teeth today. You gave that all up on purpose, and now you want to take from those few who still have because you no longer have.

The ultimate in selfishness.
2013-07-15 04:32:48 PM  
1 votes:

RaiderFanMikeP: Serious Black: RaiderFanMikeP: Serious Black: RaiderFanMikeP: Pincy: Someone explain to me again why employers should be involved in our health care at all?  Why didn't we just go to UHC and be done with it?

can you explain how you would pay for UHC?   What If i dont want to pay for UHC ? will you force me to pay?  how would you enforce that?

You're already being forced to pay. In fact, you're being forced to pay TWICE:

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reproduce graph for only countries with 300 million or more people

A sample size of one is hardly generalizable.

200 million then..


I'll do you a solid and point out that the next largest countries by population on that graph are Japan and Mexico, and both of those are just north of 100 million.
2013-07-15 04:25:30 PM  
1 votes:
What no one here has mentioned is that none of this is of importance to unions with any power.  Most unions (at least in manufacturing) have multi-year contracts that would not be able to be legally broken requiring them to continue the same hours. Also unions would go on strike if the companies tried to cut hours and healthcare.

Along with these features of unions, manufacturing requires X number of man hours per week (all 168 usually).  If a company has 4 shifts (days, afternoons, nights and off) each day each shift will work 42 hours per week in order to keep the machines running 24/7.  This means the company would have to hire 1 person for every 5 already working at the company in order to keep manufacturing at the same pace.
2013-07-15 04:21:47 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Government sizes control of 10% of the economy


O RLY?  We have single payer now?
2013-07-15 04:19:07 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Headso: tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE that we HOPED for.

Isn't the change republicans hoped for some kind of theocratic oligarchy?

I don't know what republicans wanted.


a low info voter?
2013-07-15 04:18:57 PM  
1 votes:
So employers being cheap asses and using farked-over part time workers instead is a new thing?
/get me mah faintin' couch
2013-07-15 04:14:03 PM  
1 votes:

RaiderFanMikeP: Pincy: Someone explain to me again why employers should be involved in our health care at all?  Why didn't we just go to UHC and be done with it?

can you explain how you would pay for UHC?   What If i dont want to pay for UHC ? will you force me to pay?  how would you enforce that?


You're already being forced to pay. In fact, you're being forced to pay TWICE:

theincidentaleconomist.com
2013-07-15 04:13:06 PM  
1 votes:

RaiderFanMikeP: Pincy: Someone explain to me again why employers should be involved in our health care at all?  Why didn't we just go to UHC and be done with it?

can you explain how you would pay for UHC?   What If i dont want to pay for UHC ? will you force me to pay?  how would you enforce that?



Step 1: invent time machine.
Step 2: alter time line to avoid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Step 3: Profit.
2013-07-15 04:11:37 PM  
1 votes:

RaiderFanMikeP: Pincy: Someone explain to me again why employers should be involved in our health care at all?  Why didn't we just go to UHC and be done with it?

can you explain how you would pay for UHC?   What If i dont want to pay for UHC ? will you force me to pay?  how would you enforce that?


Taxes, the way most things are paid for.

I didn't want to pay for the bailout, Iraq, Afghanistan or big oil subsidies.  Too bad?

I won't, personally, but the IRS and courts might.

How do we enforce things like that, now?
2013-07-15 03:59:43 PM  
1 votes:
Someone explain to me again why employers should be involved in our health care at all?  Why didn't we just go to UHC and be done with it?
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-15 03:51:07 PM  
1 votes:

MadHatter500: Now you can see from this there is not one, but three people not doing their job. I'd suggest your mom get a job from a different retailer. The stupid in her management chain is endemic, and probably infects the entire company. The two retailers I'm familiar with didn't exhibit this level of stupidity - they had other odious policies.


I understand where "get another job" idea comes from... I really do, because that is how a functioning economy is supposed to work.  But most people don't get it: we're not in a functioning capitalistic economy right now.  Corporatism and capitalism aren't the same thing.  Jobs don't grow on trees. (pun intended)
2013-07-15 03:47:04 PM  
1 votes:

Summercat: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.

Which will then hit their ability to make profits, when they lack the manpower to do things.

My mother is an assistant manager at a Dollar Tree. They had some shennanagins with another AM who wasn't properly getting work done, so merch didn't go out and sales suffered. The district manager cut the store's availble hours - and now my mother can't get enough people working to get the store sorted out, and the DM wants to cut hours even more.

I... I don't understand this. I honestly don't. If a problem can be solved by adding manpower, WHY CUT MANPOWER?

Walmart is running into the same problem.


He's trying to punish the store managers without actually punishing them.  In theory (don't know Dollar Tree policies) managers are salaried with performance incentives.  Here's what is running through that District Manager's mind:

The store must do X, Y and Z.  There are managers not pulling their weight/performing correctly.  So I will cut the available workforce so those managers have to pick up the slack.  Ie. instead of working 56 hours a week, they'll have to work 80 to get things done.  They will stop slacking off, then I can reward them with additional worker hours.

This of course does not work.  What should happen is that the DM has a long talk with the store manager why his store is not performing correctly.  This gives the store manager an opportunity to ask for changes - ie. get rid of the slacker.

Now you can see from this there is not one, but three people not doing their job.  I'd suggest your mom get a job from a different retailer.  The stupid in her management chain is endemic, and probably infects the entire company.  The two retailers I'm familiar with didn't exhibit this level of stupidity - they had other odious policies.
2013-07-15 03:45:06 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: hasty ambush: xanadian: Well, Obamacare is the bastard son of what the Heritage Foundation once dreamed up...

I did not realize that Obama and the Democrats were tools of the Heritage Foundation. If only Obama would have disclosed this before election time it might have changed the way you voted.

Government sizes control of 10% of the economy and people, for some stupid reason, expect good things to happen. Obamacare was not about providing healthcare to the uninsured (there are plenty of easier, less costly ways of doing that). It was about expanding the power of the Federal government.

Name them, then tell us why the GOP and teabaggers would support them.


I too would read with keen interest the many simpler and less costly ways to bring insurance to the masses. Please educate us.
2013-07-15 03:39:27 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: It is so cute that the union leaders and other uninformed people didn't understand the line: "if you like your plan, you can keep it".

no where was it ever promised that the employer has to keep providing that plan.


If providing health care coverage for employees is a union negotiated part of the worker's compensation then any changes will have to be negotiated as well. Do you know what a contract is or how contracts work?
2013-07-15 03:29:28 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: SilentStrider: Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.

If the end times means I get to watch St. Peter laugh in a Republican's face when they ask to get into heaven, then bring 'em on.

I think it means they all get raptured, and we get some peace and quiet here on earth.


One can only hope.
2013-07-15 03:28:44 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?


Because it's not the much simpler and less confusing single-payer method which would undoubtedly provide cheaper better care as has been proven in most of Europe.
2013-07-15 03:26:08 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: xanadian: Well, Obamacare is the bastard son of what the Heritage Foundation once dreamed up...

I did not realize that Obama and the Democrats were tools of the Heritage Foundation. If only Obama would have disclosed this before election time it might have changed the way you voted.

Government sizes control of 10% of the economy and people, for some stupid reason, expect good things to happen. Obamacare was not about providing healthcare to the uninsured (there are plenty of easier, less costly ways of doing that). It was about expanding the power of the Federal government.


Hey! Those are Sloth's paint chips. You give them back.
2013-07-15 03:22:38 PM  
1 votes:
"You supported it, you live with it."  What a great principle.  I'd like to see it applied universally.  For example, many of the people who were shrieking with horror about Obummercare were the same types who goosestepped with ejaculatory glee back in the Iraq Murder Party days.  Too day we couldn't take all of those Mom's-basement-dwelling chickenhawk stormtroopers, shove rifles in their hands, and drop them off in Fallujah, the last words they heard spoken in English to be, "You supported it, you live with it."

But then, they were patriotic Real Murcans, instead of America-hating unions.
2013-07-15 03:20:11 PM  
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Unions:  "I got mine negotiated via collective bargaining, so fark you you should unionize too!"

2013-07-15 03:19:34 PM  
1 votes:
Hate to you know, have to always point this out, but "Obamacare" is the bloody abortion forced on us by the right. Liberals wanted a public buy in to medicare. Key word there being BUY. Why? Medicare is just farmed out to existing HMO's anymore, except the government is able to, you know, buy in massive bulk and gets a good deal.

But that might have cut down on some fat rich farkers profit margin and made him wait till next month to buy his golden toilet seat and matching bidet. So we got the GOP abortion you all stupidly call "Obamacare" in your 5th grade effort to project.

Thanks for the Heritage Foundation right wing keep the poor folks still away from health care act. Dicks.
2013-07-15 03:13:07 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


Hitting the ol paint chip bucket early today, are we?
2013-07-15 03:11:16 PM  
1 votes:
What's amazing is that there is still all this backlash for a program that isn't implemented yet. But everything's going wrong because of it, oh yes indeed.
2013-07-15 03:10:28 PM  
1 votes:
So it's not ObamaCare that's doing this, but rather the companies are finding every trick and loophole they can to continue to dick over the workforce in order to scrounge out every last greasy penny they can? Gee, wonder why Forbes didn't report that.
2013-07-15 03:05:20 PM  
1 votes:

red5ish: IlGreven: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

...if you really think that corporations won't try and pull the "Part-time no benefits" stunt, then you probably think that some Texas hospital will ever give admitting privileges to a known abortion doctor, especially after the new law is in place.

The ACA defines "full time" as 30-hours per week, per month, on average. Good luck trying to run a competitive business without full time employees under that definition.


YES!!!! Thank you, red5ish, for beating me to the punch with cold, hard facts.

(Small quibble - I think it has to be *greater than* 30, not greater-or-equal-to, but I don't have the details on hand.)
2013-07-15 02:59:08 PM  
1 votes:

Summercat: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.

Which will then hit their ability to make profits, when they lack the manpower to do things.

My mother is an assistant manager at a Dollar Tree. They had some shennanagins with another AM who wasn't properly getting work done, so merch didn't go out and sales suffered. The district manager cut the store's availble hours - and now my mother can't get enough people working to get the store sorted out, and the DM wants to cut hours even more.

I... I don't understand this. I honestly don't. If a problem can be solved by adding manpower, WHY CUT MANPOWER?

Walmart is running into the same problem.


Just a guess: cutting manpower is what makes the district manager look when it comes to bonus time.
2013-07-15 02:57:56 PM  
1 votes:

jst3p: Testiclaw: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.

Since we can look at corporate profits and the implementation of the minimum wage, unemployment and subsequent increases, can you provide evidence to support your first assertion?

If it is Economics 101 I'm sure a simple graph is out there, the same way it is easy to find images of basics for Math 101.

It is pretty simple, he went to a top 5 economics school. You have to think in terms of an island where the coconuts represent healthcare...


Oh man. You know, I was convinced he was an intellectually-challenged wingnut. But I'd completely forgotten about the coconuts.
2013-07-15 02:53:48 PM  
1 votes:
Also: in before, "the average American is better off than a lower caste worker in India, so stop complaining."
2013-07-15 02:46:57 PM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Health benefits shouldn't be tied to your job anyway.


It's a historical accident that we rely on jobs to provide health care benefits. Now path dependence forces us into maintaining it basically forever.
2013-07-15 02:43:58 PM  
1 votes:

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.


Since we can look at corporate profits and the implementation of the minimum wage, unemployment and subsequent increases, can you provide evidence to support your first assertion?

If it is Economics 101 I'm sure a simple graph is out there, the same way it is easy to find images of basics for Math 101.
2013-07-15 02:43:48 PM  
1 votes:

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.


Which will then hit their ability to make profits, when they lack the manpower to do things.

My mother is an assistant manager at a Dollar Tree. They had some shennanagins with another AM who wasn't properly getting work done, so merch didn't go out and sales suffered. The district manager cut the store's availble hours - and now my mother can't get enough people working to get the store sorted out, and the DM wants to cut hours even more.

I... I don't understand this. I honestly don't. If a problem can be solved by adding manpower, WHY CUT MANPOWER?

Walmart is running into the same problem.
2013-07-15 02:43:29 PM  
1 votes:
So it's Obama's fault that some CEOs are assholes who refuse to take care of their employees?
2013-07-15 02:40:20 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.



From the man that considers Ayn Rand "fun".
2013-07-15 02:38:52 PM  
1 votes:
This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.
2013-07-15 02:38:07 PM  
1 votes:
Public sector is where the unions are really going to be hammered. Many government employees at all levels have sweetheart health plans with minimal contributions. The pressure will be on to make those benefits more in line with what most Americans will have.
2013-07-15 02:36:25 PM  
1 votes:
Major moderate union leaders who are strong Democratic supporters are calling for minor adjustments in ACA implementation while still supporting ACA as a whole. Wow. I'm... *yawn* shocked.
2013-07-15 02:35:40 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


Correlation: proof of causation
2013-07-15 02:33:34 PM  
1 votes:
Sigh. Avik, you have proven time and time again that you are a moronic hack who carries water for the GOP. I refuse to read your articles anymore unless given cause.
2013-07-15 02:21:26 PM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: So fark em. When there was commies in this world corporations HAD to provide a better living conditions to keep from political overthrow from happening. Now there is no threat.


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2013-07-15 02:11:20 PM  
1 votes:
I was at a party this weekend and Obamacare showed up and double dipped
2013-07-15 01:25:55 PM  
1 votes:
In other news, conservatives confused about opposition to the ACA after finding out it damages unions.
2013-07-15 01:04:26 PM  
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vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.


Yup. Everything everywhere is Obamas fault. The fact that corporations are dicking over us workers just to be spiteful biatches is ENTIRELY Obamas fault as well.
 
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