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(Forbes)   Schadenfreude time: Unions cry that ObamaCare will shatter their benefits and destroy the 40 hour work week. You supported it, you live with it   (forbes.com) divider line 357
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2013-07-15 01:00:55 PM
Well, Obamacare is the bastard son of what the Heritage Foundation once dreamed up...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-15 01:02:20 PM
So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2013-07-15 01:03:14 PM
Conservatives: Outraged about how bad something it will be, until they realize it could be bad for someone they don't like. At which point, they're OK with it.
 
2013-07-15 01:03:26 PM
Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?
 
2013-07-15 01:04:01 PM
Well, since it was originally a Republican plan, you knew workers would get hurt
 
2013-07-15 01:04:26 PM

vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.


Yup. Everything everywhere is Obamas fault. The fact that corporations are dicking over us workers just to be spiteful biatches is ENTIRELY Obamas fault as well.
 
2013-07-15 01:05:50 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?


Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.
 
2013-07-15 01:10:34 PM

Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.


Truly, history's greatest monster.
 
2013-07-15 01:11:25 PM
"The percentage of workers employed part-time has been rising since 2007, increasing from 16.7 percent to 22.2 percent in 2011, the EBRI said. Over that period, the nonpartisan, nonprofit research institute found part-time workers experienced a much larger decline in health coverage than fulltime workers. Between 2007 and 2011, full-time workers experienced a 2.8 percent reduction in the likelihood of having coverage from their own jobs, while part-time workers suffered a 15.7 percent decline."

http://www.benefitspro.com/2013/05/28/shift-to-part-time-workers-beg an -pre-ppaca
 
2013-07-15 01:15:36 PM

Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.


If the end times means I get to watch St. Peter laugh in a Republican's face when they ask to get into heaven, then bring 'em on.
 
2013-07-15 01:17:15 PM

SilentStrider: Weaver95: The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, Obamacare will keep your working situation exactly the same, except now you actually have a chance at qualifying for and getting healthcare.

/and I'm supposed to be upset about this, why again?

Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.

If the end times means I get to watch St. Peter laugh in a Republican's face when they ask to get into heaven, then bring 'em on.


I think it means they all get raptured, and we get some peace and quiet here on earth.
 
2013-07-15 01:25:55 PM
In other news, conservatives confused about opposition to the ACA after finding out it damages unions.
 
2013-07-15 01:27:43 PM

vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]


Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.
 
2013-07-15 01:32:52 PM

Weaver95: Yup. Everything everywhere is Obamas fault. The fact that corporations are dicking over us workers just to be spiteful biatches is ENTIRELY Obamas fault as well.


I love a "lets throw the evil fat cat CEOs under the bus" thread just as much as the next guy but you'd think that if the head of a Union could blame a company he would blame a company. That way he could demand more money/time off/other benefits for his members. But he's not?! He's blaming the people he helped elect. What good is that doing his members? Or himself? He's not going to get a better contract from anyone because of his actions on this matter. So why do it? Could it be that Obamacare is the nightmare that we have been saying it was? No that can't be it.

Sorry about trying to make comments about the article, I've interrupted the boss bashing thread. My bad
 
2013-07-15 01:37:50 PM

SlothB77: health care costs go up


Happened before Obamacare as well. Like, you know, for the last few decades. Consistently.
 
2013-07-15 01:37:54 PM
Forget odumbocare, just go to single payer and be done with it. fark the reoubs. Make it an executive order.
 
2013-07-15 01:46:02 PM
Did the author of that piece include a You Tube video of himself in the middle of the article?
 
2013-07-15 01:46:29 PM

SlothB77: After Obamacare: health care costs go up


no kidding. healthcare costs were totally stable before obamacare. totally.
 
2013-07-15 01:51:37 PM
If you want to stop this.....Start publishing the names of companies that do this and start boycotting them.

Consumer spending makes up more than 70 percent of our economy. Even a small shift in public perception can really effect the bottom line.

Papa John's founder figured this out pretty quick.
 
2013-07-15 01:56:25 PM
Health benefits shouldn't be tied to your job anyway.
 
2013-07-15 02:11:20 PM
I was at a party this weekend and Obamacare showed up and double dipped
 
2013-07-15 02:12:53 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: Yup. Everything everywhere is Obamas fault. The fact that corporations are dicking over us workers just to be spiteful biatches is ENTIRELY Obamas fault as well.

I love a "lets throw the evil fat cat CEOs under the bus" thread just as much as the next guy but you'd think that if the head of a Union could blame a company he would blame a company. That way he could demand more money/time off/other benefits for his members. But he's not?! He's blaming the people he helped elect. What good is that doing his members? Or himself? He's not going to get a better contract from anyone because of his actions on this matter. So why do it? Could it be that Obamacare is the nightmare that we have been saying it was? No that can't be it.

Sorry about trying to make comments about the article, I've interrupted the boss bashing thread. My bad


You know what, it was big bosses bad decisions that lead us to this place.

Corporations had had the biggest profits ever historically. They refuse to share the wealth with the laborers who help them gain that wealth.

So fark em. When there was commies in this world corporations HAD to provide a better living conditions to keep from political overthrow from happening. Now there is no threat.
 
2013-07-15 02:21:26 PM

Darth_Lukecash: So fark em. When there was commies in this world corporations HAD to provide a better living conditions to keep from political overthrow from happening. Now there is no threat.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-15 02:33:34 PM
Sigh. Avik, you have proven time and time again that you are a moronic hack who carries water for the GOP. I refuse to read your articles anymore unless given cause.
 
2013-07-15 02:34:25 PM

Weaver95: Because obamacare will end all life in the universe and bring about the end times.


frankly I don't think that would be a bad idea at this point
 
2013-07-15 02:35:40 PM

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


Correlation: proof of causation
 
2013-07-15 02:36:25 PM
Major moderate union leaders who are strong Democratic supporters are calling for minor adjustments in ACA implementation while still supporting ACA as a whole. Wow. I'm... *yawn* shocked.
 
2013-07-15 02:37:28 PM

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


Because health care prices were not going up at all before the ACA right?
 
2013-07-15 02:37:30 PM
Seems like single payer is the answer.
 
2013-07-15 02:38:07 PM
Public sector is where the unions are really going to be hammered. Many government employees at all levels have sweetheart health plans with minimal contributions. The pressure will be on to make those benefits more in line with what most Americans will have.
 
2013-07-15 02:38:32 PM

SlothB77: Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.

Health care costs were high
After Obamacare: health care costs continue to go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result of being assholes. Workers find new and better jobs. Company A dies of talent attrition.

Edited for accuracy.
 
2013-07-15 02:38:52 PM
This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.
 
2013-07-15 02:40:20 PM

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.



From the man that considers Ayn Rand "fun".
 
2013-07-15 02:40:30 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.


Except when it doesn't.
 
2013-07-15 02:40:30 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.


That has never been true in the whole history of the modern world. Not ever.
 
2013-07-15 02:42:01 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.


You should take another economics class, it is a lot more complicated than that.
 
2013-07-15 02:43:29 PM
So it's Obama's fault that some CEOs are assholes who refuse to take care of their employees?
 
2013-07-15 02:43:39 PM

SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.


www.washingtonpost.com

Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.
 
2013-07-15 02:43:48 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.


Which will then hit their ability to make profits, when they lack the manpower to do things.

My mother is an assistant manager at a Dollar Tree. They had some shennanagins with another AM who wasn't properly getting work done, so merch didn't go out and sales suffered. The district manager cut the store's availble hours - and now my mother can't get enough people working to get the store sorted out, and the DM wants to cut hours even more.

I... I don't understand this. I honestly don't. If a problem can be solved by adding manpower, WHY CUT MANPOWER?

Walmart is running into the same problem.
 
2013-07-15 02:43:58 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.


Since we can look at corporate profits and the implementation of the minimum wage, unemployment and subsequent increases, can you provide evidence to support your first assertion?

If it is Economics 101 I'm sure a simple graph is out there, the same way it is easy to find images of basics for Math 101.
 
2013-07-15 02:44:24 PM

Corvus: SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x454]

Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.


Damn President Fart and his FARTARDIS.
 
2013-07-15 02:45:50 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.


In before "Then why not raise it to $1,000,000 an hour?" hyperbole
 
2013-07-15 02:45:58 PM

Testiclaw: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.

Since we can look at corporate profits and the implementation of the minimum wage, unemployment and subsequent increases, can you provide evidence to support your first assertion?

If it is Economics 101 I'm sure a simple graph is out there, the same way it is easy to find images of basics for Math 101.


It is pretty simple, he went to a top 5 economics school. You have to think in terms of an island where the coconuts represent healthcare...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-15 02:46:24 PM
There is an easy solution, like deciding the rest of the civilized world aren't all dumbasses and starting a public healthcare system.

OMG! SOSIALLIZM!
 
2013-07-15 02:46:57 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Health benefits shouldn't be tied to your job anyway.


It's a historical accident that we rely on jobs to provide health care benefits. Now path dependence forces us into maintaining it basically forever.
 
2013-07-15 02:46:59 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Corvus: SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x454]

Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.

Damn President Fart and his FARTARDIS.



img827.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-15 02:47:12 PM

Mike Chewbacca: So it's Obama's fault that some CEOs are assholes who refuse to take care of their employees?


Must be the week where Obama is God Emperor of the planet. Next week will be empty suit week.
 
2013-07-15 02:47:28 PM

Summercat: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.

Which will then hit their ability to make profits, when they lack the manpower to do things.

My mother is an assistant manager at a Dollar Tree. They had some shennanagins with another AM who wasn't properly getting work done, so merch didn't go out and sales suffered. The district manager cut the store's availble hours - and now my mother can't get enough people working to get the store sorted out, and the DM wants to cut hours even more.

I... I don't understand this. I honestly don't. If a problem can be solved by adding manpower, WHY CUT MANPOWER?

Walmart is running into the same problem.


I was in a walmart last weekend and it was ghost town.  No clerks on the floor at all and only a few registers open.
 
2013-07-15 02:47:40 PM

jst3p: Testiclaw: Choo-Choo Bear: This is brought to you by the same folks that don't understand increasing the minimum wage increases unemployment.  Businesses aren't going to cut into their profits to pay more.  They are going to find a way to decrease their losses, and that generally means cutting back on employee hours / shifts / benefits / etc...

It's not a good thing, but it's a true thing.  Economics 101.

Since we can look at corporate profits and the implementation of the minimum wage, unemployment and subsequent increases, can you provide evidence to support your first assertion?

If it is Economics 101 I'm sure a simple graph is out there, the same way it is easy to find images of basics for Math 101.

It is pretty simple, he went to a top 5 economics school. You have to think in terms of an island where the coconuts represent healthcare...


Water  ALL UP ONthese monitors.
 
2013-07-15 02:48:37 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Corvus: SlothB77: vpb: So, the strategy of using part time workers that has been going on for decades is Obama's fault then?  That guy is amazing.

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

Before Obamacare: Company A hired full-time workers.
After Obamacare: health care costs go up and Company A decides to change their workers to part-time as a result.

Definitely could be because of Obamacare.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x454]

Wow "Obmacare" is so horrible it went back in time and raised healthcare spending.

Damn President Fart and his FARTARDIS.


Michelle is a little too old to be a companion of the Doctor. Sasha and Malia are a bit young, but that's never stopped a black man before...
 
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