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(NewsBusters)   Zimmerman's lawyer: Hey I thought he was guilty and believed everything the media said before I became his lawyer, then I saw the facts, presented it in court and won. Not my fault Americans are a factless lynch mob   (newsbusters.org ) divider line
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2013-07-15 11:32:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: LemSkroob: On Thursday, July 11, 2013, police discovered the rotting body of 17-year-old Darryl Green, a black child from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. Green's body was found behind a boarded-up house in the 6500-block of South Damen, face down on basement stairs. The body was so badly decomposed that originally, local news reports suggested that he had died of blunt force trauma. On Friday, an autopsy showed he had been shot to death. Relatives reported that Green had refused to join a gang at school.

So, where are the protests, the marches in the streets, and CNN/MSNBC coverage? Where are Al Sharpton and Nancy Grace???

They acquitted the gang members who shot him?


said race baiters should be screaming for justice, no?
 
2013-07-15 11:35:41 PM  

phygz: Fart_Machine: LemSkroob: On Thursday, July 11, 2013, police discovered the rotting body of 17-year-old Darryl Green, a black child from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. Green's body was found behind a boarded-up house in the 6500-block of South Damen, face down on basement stairs. The body was so badly decomposed that originally, local news reports suggested that he had died of blunt force trauma. On Friday, an autopsy showed he had been shot to death. Relatives reported that Green had refused to join a gang at school.

So, where are the protests, the marches in the streets, and CNN/MSNBC coverage? Where are Al Sharpton and Nancy Grace???

They acquitted the gang members who shot him?

said race baiters should be screaming for justice, no?


Again if they acquitted the person or persons who shot him you might have a point...
 
2013-07-15 11:37:15 PM  

Fart_Machine: They acquitted the gang members who shot him?


Shaprton, Grace, and the rest of the media didn't care about the zimmerman case until the verdict came in?
 
2013-07-15 11:37:28 PM  

Frank N Stein: s2s2s2: Cops want SYG elements out of the law because too many gang members and drug dealers are using it to walk.

But keep telling yourself it's only for white people, right after you say it's not about race.

Citation?


Citation
 
2013-07-15 11:38:33 PM  

Fart_Machine: phygz: Fart_Machine: LemSkroob: On Thursday, July 11, 2013, police discovered the rotting body of 17-year-old Darryl Green, a black child from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. Green's body was found behind a boarded-up house in the 6500-block of South Damen, face down on basement stairs. The body was so badly decomposed that originally, local news reports suggested that he had died of blunt force trauma. On Friday, an autopsy showed he had been shot to death. Relatives reported that Green had refused to join a gang at school.

So, where are the protests, the marches in the streets, and CNN/MSNBC coverage? Where are Al Sharpton and Nancy Grace???

They acquitted the gang members who shot him?

said race baiters should be screaming for justice, no?

Again if they acquitted the person or persons who shot him you might have a point...


you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict
 
2013-07-15 11:38:46 PM  

IlGreven: TDBoedy: Amazing you're the 11ty billionth person to get it wrong.  If he had invoked stand your ground he'd have had a hearing to avoid trial.  He would have lost that hearing.  He was found not guilty because he used a self defense...defense.  In a civil trial he could face financial penalties regardless if he is found to have been negligent or what have you.  But stand-your-ground does not apply.  But we can all pretend it does right?  maybe it makes you feel more self righteous?

Florida law shields anyone who is justified in the use of deadly force from civil punishment.  By being found not guilty, George Zimmerman was found to be justified in the use of deadly force. Therefore, he is protected under Florida law.

Sucks, don't it?


not really..seems like a good thing at the end of the day.  Feel free to experiment though in any other state.
 
2013-07-15 11:43:09 PM  

phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict


Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.
 
2013-07-15 11:49:09 PM  

Sgt Otter: but a few people theorized he did it to deliberately to project that exact image to the jury. Too fat to catch the kid, much less win a fight with him.


Soooooo:

if weighing less, then in better shape, and better able to take Martin in a fight.

But if weighing more, then he has x pounds on Martin, therefore better able to take Martin in a fight.

Don't worry about it, George, the liberal butt-hurt machinery is going to spin it either way.
 
2013-07-15 11:50:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict

Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.


why is there no outcry to find the murderers of an innocent black teen? Where is Obama and why is he not applying pressure to the local authorities to find the killers and bring them to justice?
 
2013-07-15 11:53:29 PM  

phygz: Fart_Machine: phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict

Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.

why is there no outcry to find the murderers of an innocent black teen? Where is Obama and why is he not applying pressure to the local authorities to find the killers and bring them to justice?


Why isn't Obama finding a cure for cancer?  He obviously wants those afflicted to die.  Why won't Obama find my car keys?  Why Obama why?
 
2013-07-15 11:54:10 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Sadly, Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges.  The problem is the law in the state of Florida.  All those assholes who pushed for the stand your ground law to be enacted are have blood on their hands along with Zimmerman.  They made what he did legal.


I'm sure somebody has pointed it out by now, but there was no Stand Your Ground hearing because Zimmerman did not invoke it.  Zimmerman claimed simple self defense, which has its roots in fundamental English Common Law, which predates our nation.

Try again.
 
2013-07-15 11:55:28 PM  

SevenizGud: if weighing less, then in better shape, and better able to take Martin in a fight.

But if weighing more, then he has x pounds on Martin, therefore better able to take Martin in a fight.


Correct.  The best fighters are flabby and out-of-shape.
 
2013-07-16 12:44:18 AM  

Fart_Machine: phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict

Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.


Which one of the gang members did he assault?
 
2013-07-16 12:45:39 AM  

bikkurikun: I am still kind of puzzled why everybody in the US sees the race factor as so important in this case. Martin isn't dead because he is black, he is dead because civilians/morons are allowed to carry guns.


Yeah.  Morons who see a ni*BONG* and assume he's up to no good.
 
2013-07-16 12:48:18 AM  

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict

Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.

Which one of the gang members did he assault?


All of them I'm sure.  He probably smoked pot at one time and was wearing a hoodie.
 
2013-07-16 12:53:43 AM  
I have an idea. How about every time there's a Tray/Zim thread, the mods just copypasty the posts from the previous Tray/Zim thread? It would save me a lot of reading the same old shiat over, and over, and over.

Oh, and the little shiat Tray got what was coming to him. Once he got away from Zim, he should not have got pissed off at the crazy-ass-cracka Zim, doubled back, then whup Zim's ass.
 
2013-07-16 12:56:50 AM  

Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict

Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.

Which one of the gang members did he assault?

All of them I'm sure.  He probably smoked pot at one time and was wearing a hoodie.


Is that an excuse for assault? Like violent criminals don't buy snacks and wear cool jackets?
 
2013-07-16 04:03:25 AM  
All I learned from this trial was this...

Self-Defense is a good defense when the other guy is dead. Even pirates knew dead men tell no tales.

Martin was running scared and did some dumb shiat.

Zimmerman was stalking prey and did some dumb shiat.

One of them is dead and the other is walking free.

Also, Zimmerman is shiat at MMA if he has 40 pounds and 3 days a week training on the kid and the kid gets him to ground. I mean shouldn't the fact that one of them was trained in martial arts even weigh in? Zimmerman knew ground game, why the prosecution didn't pursue that angle is beyond me.

I hope that this will shed some light on the way that the justice system looks at gun deaths and what causes them, but then I am a star-in-the-eyes optimist.

/Mike Chewbacca, you kick ass.
//At least he sees both sides.
///Wookie Roar!!!!!
 
2013-07-16 07:18:27 AM  
I love how you have cries of racist cop vigilante on the same guy who called 911(not what a vigilante) Didn't even bring up race except when asked by the 911 dispatcher(no proof he was a racist)

It's a sad statement about this country that when it's white(hispanic actually but that didn't fit the drama the media lusts after) on black the facts stop mattering
 
2013-07-16 07:45:55 AM  

LemSkroob: On Thursday, July 11, 2013, police discovered the rotting body of 17-year-old Darryl Green, a black child from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. Green's body was found behind a boarded-up house in the 6500-block of South Damen, face down on basement stairs. The body was so badly decomposed that originally, local news reports suggested that he had died of blunt force trauma. On Friday, an autopsy showed he had been shot to death. Relatives reported that Green had refused to join a gang at school.

So, where are the protests, the marches in the streets, and CNN/MSNBC coverage? Where are Al Sharpton and Nancy Grace???


Ben Shapiro is transparent.
 
2013-07-16 07:48:04 AM  

Fart_Machine: Click Click D'oh: If you think Martin wasn't one of them, you are pulling an ostrich. He was a Goblin in training.

Yup, he was walking while black.


Not that it justifies his killing, but he wasn't on the right track. Illegally possessing firearms. Getting suspended from school. And buying, possessing and transporting ingredients for the intent of manufacturing illegal narcotics.
 
2013-07-16 07:54:38 AM  

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: phygz: you might have a point if the screams for Trayvon justice from the race baiters didn't occur until after the verdict

Sure, if they caught the people who did it and then let them off free until there was enough outcry to hold them for trial or the gang members had an active media support group with donations going towards their legal defense I guess it's totally the same thing.

Which one of the gang members did he assault?

All of them I'm sure.  He probably smoked pot at one time and was wearing a hoodie.

Is that an excuse for assault? Like violent criminals don't buy snacks and wear cool jackets?


As I said before, not that it justifies his killing, but please don't use the 'snacks' BS as part of the innocent child narrative.

Skittles and fruit punch are two of the three ingredients of an illegal drug TM was a fan.

/When I was young it was jolly ranchers and sprite.
 
2013-07-16 08:19:07 AM  

Fart_Machine: o5iiawah: oh look, another person who doesn't know what a concussion is

Yes I do.  I'm sure you have proof he had one and aren't just talking out of your ass again.


Im sure you can tell that he didn't?  Oh thats wait you dont know because GZ didn't go to the ER like the police and EMTs requested based on the description of the injuries and GZ's behavior.

In other words, you're talking out of your ass again.
 
2013-07-16 09:11:23 AM  
There seems to be some debate about what "initiating the confrontation" is in this context.  in my opinion, following another person around at night time in a neighborhood with a history of criminal behavior qualifies as initiating a confrontation.  You're certainly entitled to argue otherwise but I think you're being obtuse.
 
2013-07-16 09:13:01 AM  

Grimlock2099: "Ladies of the jury, I ask you look at exhibit 12a, a photograph of my client George Zimmerman's penis. Look at how small it is and you tell me, is this the size of a penis that could win in a fair fight? I mean seriously, we can barely even call my client a man his penis is so small. You've heard testimony from my client's wife, how he never satisfies her in bed. Of course my client needed to carry a gun! "Knock Knock" - and please, do not hold this against my client if this joke offends you - "who's there?" you ask... "it's Treyvon Martin with his big black penis". That is what my client was truly afraid of, aren't we all?"

- Mark O'Mara


Seriously, a "fair fight?" Like honorable fisticuffs, or something? No punching below the belt? Shake hands and go to your corner? Are you 12 years old?

Regardless of whatever position in this matter one takes, the idea that the fight should have been "fair" is the most juvenile shiat I've ever heard. TM and GZ weren't facing each other in a tournament, they were in a real, primal fight.

Along those same lines is the spin that "GZ was a loser pussy who shot because he was getting his ass kicked." While most of that may be true, the fact is, once GZ shot Martin, he automatically became the winner of the fight. Thats how fights work. The guy lying on the ground all bloody and twitching is not the winner, ever, even if he's the good guy.

Sometimes you bring fists to a fistfight, sometimes you mistakenly bring them to a gunfight. Blame fate, not the person with overwhelming firepower.
 
2013-07-16 10:00:44 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: If Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun, which Zimmerman says Martin knew because his jacket rode up, why the fark would he stop???? if you feel your life is in danger, why would you stop beating someone???


I find this particular argument the most disturbing and nonsensical.

Basically, Zimmerman is a murderer, because he shot someone who had knocked him to the ground, broken his nose, and was bashing his head into the pavement.

But Martin is completely justified in trying to beat a man to death because he may have seen a gun on him? Or worse, Martin was completely justified in assaulting a man because, effectively, he was looking at him funny?

There is a bizarre disconnect whereby the ONE person who's life is demonstrably jeopardized is assumed to be a racist murderer,  but the person who used racial epithets, had a history of violence, threw the first punch and tried to beat a man to death or into the hospital is an innocent victim.

Look, This whole thing was the stupid result of two men suffering from excess machismo, and a bloated sense of their own manhood. Zimmerman is very far from blameless here, but this bizarre logic that Martin has the moral highground and was justified in beating a man for "hassling" him is just nonsense.
 
2013-07-16 10:32:43 AM  
skullkrusher
so, like I said, the assumption you're making is that they think most people on welfare are minorities. It couldn't possibly be a misguided effort to make sure public support is not used for illegal activities or to reduce welfare roles. No, it is whatever RanDomino says it is while he decries manufactured outrage on the left. If the "left" were the way you wanted it to be, it would be even more marginalized than it already is

That's not necessarily what I think. It's what all these people who are apparently disproportionately outraged over the Martin-Zimmerman case think. With good reason.


Lanadapter
I love how you have cries of racist cop vigilante on the same guy who called 911(not what a vigilante) Didn't even bring up race except when asked by the 911 dispatcher(no proof he was a racist)

What do you expect? That he would have said, "Dear 911 operator, I am going to stalk this young man because I am racist"?
 
2013-07-16 11:06:57 AM  

Sgt Otter: aircraftkiller: It still amazes me that people think an overweight 29 year old could "stalk" a young guy who could likely have run much faster than Z could walk

They're both stupid: Z for getting out of the car and carrying a gun in violation of Neighborhood Watch regulations, T for not just running back to his house and calling the police. I find it hard to get terribly outraged about two stupid people doing what stupid people do. This kind of thing isn't uncommon

/Don't start pretending I'm a conservative or something, I've earned the ire of both "sides" to this trial

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 747x488]

On the left is Zimmerman shortly after the shooting, when he was regularly going to the gym and taking mixed martial arts.  He gained a significant amount of weight before the trial even started, and continued to pack on fat during the trial.  His lawyer claimed that he was gorging out of depression, but a few people theorized he did it to deliberately to project that exact image to the jury.  Too fat to catch the kid, much less win a fight with him.


That should also land him a sweet weight loss sponsorship as he returns to his normal weight.
 
2013-07-16 11:10:21 AM  

o5iiawah: Fart_Machine: o5iiawah: oh look, another person who doesn't know what a concussion is

Yes I do.  I'm sure you have proof he had one and aren't just talking out of your ass again.

Im sure you can tell that he didn't?  Oh thats wait you dont know because GZ didn't go to the ER like the police and EMTs requested based on the description of the injuries and GZ's behavior.

In other words, you're talking out of your ass again.


Probably because a severe concussion can result in any number of medical problems and Zimmerman possesses none of them.  "Prove me wrong" is a pathetic defense.

Moopy Mac: And buying, possessing and transporting ingredients for the intent of manufacturing illegal narcotics.


You know you're reaching when you have to come up with this.
 
2013-07-16 11:46:40 AM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Grimlock2099: "Ladies of the jury, I ask you look at exhibit 12a, a photograph of my client George Zimmerman's penis. Look at how small it is and you tell me, is this the size of a penis that could win in a fair fight? I mean seriously, we can barely even call my client a man his penis is so small. You've heard testimony from my client's wife, how he never satisfies her in bed. Of course my client needed to carry a gun! "Knock Knock" - and please, do not hold this against my client if this joke offends you - "who's there?" you ask... "it's Treyvon Martin with his big black penis". That is what my client was truly afraid of, aren't we all?"

- Mark O'Mara

Seriously, a "fair fight?" Like honorable fisticuffs, or something? No punching below the belt? Shake hands and go to your corner? Are you 12 years old?

Regardless of whatever position in this matter one takes, the idea that the fight should have been "fair" is the most juvenile shiat I've ever heard. TM and GZ weren't facing each other in a tournament, they were in a real, primal fight.

Along those same lines is the spin that "GZ was a loser pussy who shot because he was getting his ass kicked." While most of that may be true, the fact is, once GZ shot Martin, he automatically became the winner of the fight. Thats how fights work. The guy lying on the ground all bloody and twitching is not the winner, ever, even if he's the good guy.

Sometimes you bring fists to a fistfight, sometimes you mistakenly bring them to a gunfight. Blame fate, not the person with overwhelming firepower.


Holographic Shimmering Pork: Grimlock2099: "Ladies of the jury, I ask you look at exhibit 12a, a photograph of my client George Zimmerman's penis. Look at how small it is and you tell me, is this the size of a penis that could win in a fair fight? I mean seriously, we can barely even call my client a man his penis is so small. You've heard testimony from my client's wife, how he never satisfies her in bed. Of course my client needed to carry a gun! "Knock Knock" - and please, do not hold this against my client if this joke offends you - "who's there?" you ask... "it's Treyvon Martin with his big black penis". That is what my client was truly afraid of, aren't we all?"

- Mark O'Mara

Seriously, a "fair fight?" Like honorable fisticuffs, or something? No punching below the belt? Shake hands and go to your corner? Are you 12 years old?

Regardless of whatever position in this matter one takes, the idea that the fight should have been "fair" is the most juvenile shiat I've ever heard. TM and GZ weren't facing each other in a tournament, they were in a real, primal fight.

Along those same lines is the spin that "GZ was a loser pussy who shot because he was getting his ass kicked." While most of that may be true, the fact is, once GZ shot Martin, he automatically became the winner of the fight. Thats how fights work. The guy lying on the ground all bloody and twitching is not the winner, ever, even if he's the good guy.

Sometimes you bring fists to a fistfight, sometimes you mistakenly bring them to a gunfight. Blame fate, not the person with overwhelming firepower.


Calm down man, just thought it was funny that the defense used the whole "my client is a wuss" strategy...
 
2013-07-16 01:00:36 PM  
Many people simply think that Zimmerman should have followed readily available Neighborhood watch rules as he set out on his vigilante missions. Here is a bit concerning if you decide as a community to include the often unnecessary patrolling of the neighborhood as well as a standard communal watch group. Had Zimmerman followed the accepted standard protocol of a responsible Neighborhood watchman, Martin would be alive. As a direct result of Zimmermam's irresponsibility in these regards, a child, Trayvon Martin was shot dead in the streets.
"Patrol members should be trained by law enforcement. It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."
 
2013-07-16 01:55:12 PM  
Grimlock2099: etc..

Ok, fine. Unfortunately, the brazilian other times I've read something along those lines, it wasn't satire.
 
2013-07-16 02:08:06 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Grimlock2099: etc..

Ok, fine. Unfortunately, the brazilian other times I've read something along those lines, it wasn't satire.


No prob. Sad we live in a world where satire is hard to distinguish.
 
2013-07-16 04:06:31 PM  

Fart_Machine: Probably because a severe concussion can result in any number of medical problems and Zimmerman possesses none of them.


I am not sure George Zimmerman had the wherewithal to know in him what the outcome of any potential head trauma might be as Trayvon Martin was bashing it into the concrete.  His injuries were sufficient enough that EMTs suggested he go to the ER for a concussion eval - because you know, the EMTs saw his injuries and suggested he go to the hospital.

 Does your ass have a name?  it speaks so much, i feel I know it well.

Fart_Machine: "Prove me wrong" is a pathetic defense.


Neither you, nor anyone else could have known at the time what the extent of GZ's head injuries might be so the fact that he happened to turn out okay doesn't mean that medical personnel weren't justified in saying that the injuries serious enough to warrant medical attention.

what is pathetic is you looking at a situation a year and a half later and concluding that in a moment you weren't a witness to, your opinion of what happened is actually what happened.

Weapons-grade-stupid.
 
2013-07-16 04:17:49 PM  

o5iiawah: I am not sure George Zimmerman had the wherewithal to know in him what the outcome of any potential head trauma might be as Trayvon Martin was bashing it into the concrete. His injuries were sufficient enough that EMTs suggested he go to the ER for a concussion eval - because you know, the EMTs saw his injuries and suggested he go to the hospital.

Does your ass have a name? it speaks so much, i feel I know it well.


The EMT on the scene would have and they wouldn't have given him the option of going to the ER if that were the case because of liability issues.  So really you've got nothing.  Now prove to me you don't fark goats.

o5iiawah: Neither you, nor anyone else could have known at the time what the extent of GZ's head injuries might be so the fact that he happened to turn out okay doesn't mean that medical personnel weren't justified in saying that the injuries serious enough to warrant medical attention.


It's been a year and a half later and you don't believe his defense would have brought up lingering medical conditions as a result of a severe concussion into his trial?  Were you dropped on your head as a child or have you been mentally retarded since birth?
 
2013-07-16 09:17:43 PM  

Frank N Stein: s2s2s2: Cops want SYG elements out of the law because too many gang members and drug dealers are using it to walk.

But keep telling yourself it's only for white people, right after you say it's not about race.

Citation?


I'm a little late on this but the case of Andrea Tyler and Jeffry Brown was a big deal in Florida news when it happened.

15 year old Michael Jackson and some accomplices, all gang affiliated, rolled up on Tyler and Brown (affiliated with a rival gang) in a parking lot and opened up fire on them from a vehicle.

Tyler and Brown pulled out their guns, including an AK-47 and ventilated Jackson an his accomplice. The vehicle Jackson was in was hit over 30 times.

The case generated local outrage because known gang members involved in the gang-related shoot out received SYG immunity after they killed a 15 year old.

Of course, it completely failed to register on the national outrage meter, because it was black on black crime.
 
2013-07-16 09:33:13 PM  
@RanDomino: I would at least expect that there'd be, you know, actual proof of racism before crying racism

And the more I find out about Zimmerman the more absurd the idea he is racist becomes.

1. helped a homeless guy. who was black
2. took a chick to prom. who was black
3. mentored children. who were black

In other words, did exactly the opposite of what a racist would do in all three cases
 
2013-07-16 10:04:45 PM  
Lanadapter
I would at least expect that there'd be, you know, actual proof of racism before crying racism

I was just pointing out that that specific argument was extremely weak.
 
2013-07-16 10:26:59 PM  
@ranDomino: and I was trying to point out how all the shouts of "racist!" were based on absolutly nothing which is a very good point. It's a serious charge you should not just toss around due to how such can ruin the lives of those accused of such.


Speaking of based on nothing, the cries of "horrible stand your ground laws got Zimmerman off the hook" are since they had nothing to do with this case. It was standard self defense case revolving around whether Zimmerman was acting on a reasonable belief that he who face death or great bodily harm if he didn't shoot Martin.
 
2013-07-16 11:00:35 PM  
Lanadapter
and I was trying to point out how all the shouts of "racist!" were based on absolutly nothing

Except the context of a racist society. The verdict, having been based, as you said, on the specific and technical events that were considered to begin only at the moment of the final confrontation, renders no judgment on the society in which legalized harassment and mistreatment of black people is commonplace. Which legions of white people (who are definitely not racist) refuse to consider while doing the endzone dance.
 
2013-07-17 01:36:15 AM  
@ranDomino: And again, the facts about Zimmerman's life paint a picture of someone who is tolerant and accepting of black people to the point of dating a black woman and mentoring black children. And even if the surrounding socity is racist all it tells us it's more likely someone withoin it is racist but doesn't realty confirm and individual is(you can find gay marriage supporters where I live despite the high levels of homophobia by way of example). So it's still based in nothing as far as Zimmerman the person is concerned. Judge people as individuals and not by what others around them do.

Secoundly, in what way was harrassment legalized? People see things going on and leap to conclusions all the time that turns out false. Assume good faith unless solid evidence tells you otherwise
 
2013-07-17 01:50:36 AM  
Lanadapter
Assume good faith unless solid evidence tells you otherwise

How about an extensive history of black people being treated like shiat? Would that be considered evidence?
 
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