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(NewsBusters)   Zimmerman's lawyer: Hey I thought he was guilty and believed everything the media said before I became his lawyer, then I saw the facts, presented it in court and won. Not my fault Americans are a factless lynch mob   (newsbusters.org) divider line 442
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2013-07-15 07:24:47 PM

Click Click D'oh:

Blathering Idjut: This is broader than the SYG laws which should not be a part of any civilized book of law in any state.

Holy hell.  SYG was not part of this case.  How hard is it to... No.  Nevermind.  Welcome to the gun control thread experiment.


Welcome to "English. How does it work thread."  But good job getting me to respond to you like an adult rather than a knee-jerk partisan.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, maybe I don't understand.. I don't understand how you could think there's a problem when someone defends themself with lethal force when in reasonable fear for their life, unless you are the type of person who routinely makes people fear for their lives. Explain that one to me. Who should these laws frighten aside from those who conduct themselves like animals?


We get it. You're a coward afraid of your own shadow.  The thing you need to understand is that your irrational fear of kids in hoodies cannot be the basis for criminal law if we hope to live in a civilized society.
 
2013-07-15 07:27:34 PM

the_dude_abides: redmid17: Newsflash: Sometimes people don't hold with the party line and have independent thoughts. Romero has more at 11.

lol the anti-zimmerman narrative was signed, sealed and delivered by the left-leaning news outlets and the dolts on fark are parroting that retarded narrative.

newsflash for you and the progressive brain trust -- the verdict was not a referendum on killing black kids, nor was it the zeitgeist of black/white relations in this country. it was the ONLY logical conclusion to a weak case the state put on against george zimmerman, nothing more.


I would read some of my posts before you group me in with anyone. You're looking like an idiot even more than you did with the initial post.
 
2013-07-15 07:28:04 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Click Click D'oh: The take away from this incident shouldn't be that Zimmerman made a bad choice

Holy shiatballs. You really think Zimmerman didn't make ANY bad decisions that night? Not one?


If you forget what happened at the point where they met, none of Zimmerman's decisions prior to that look bad, until you look with the benefit of hindsight.

Sees a suspicious person, calls it in.
Suspicious person who is a significant distance ahead, runs away.
Walk towards area where you last saw him running to see where he went, expecting him to be even farther away than before.. BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING AWAY.
Stays in area for 4 minutes with no visual contact on suspicious person.

By all means, tell me how GZ was reckless in any of these actions WITHOUT the benefit of hindsight.  These sound like pretty reasonable actions to me with the information available to him AT THE TIME.
 
2013-07-15 07:28:51 PM

Blathering Idjut: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, maybe I don't understand.. I don't understand how you could think there's a problem when someone defends themself with lethal force when in reasonable fear for their life, unless you are the type of person who routinely makes people fear for their lives. Explain that one to me. Who should these laws frighten aside from those who conduct themselves like animals?

We get it. You're a coward afraid of your own shadow.  The thing you need to understand is that your irrational fear of kids in hoodies cannot be the basis for criminal law if we hope to live in a civilized society.


Now that you got another insult out of the way, try responding to my question.  I'll wait.
 
2013-07-15 07:31:40 PM

redmid17: I would read some of my posts before you group me in with anyone. You're looking like an idiot even more than you did with the initial post.


fair enough, i jumped the gun... my point still stands though
 
2013-07-15 07:39:33 PM

Click Click D'oh: If you think Martin wasn't one of them, you are pulling an ostrich. He was a Goblin in training.


Yup, he was walking while black.
 
2013-07-15 07:41:10 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mike Chewbacca: Click Click D'oh: The take away from this incident shouldn't be that Zimmerman made a bad choice

Holy shiatballs. You really think Zimmerman didn't make ANY bad decisions that night? Not one?

If you forget what happened at the point where they met, none of Zimmerman's decisions prior to that look bad, until you look with the benefit of hindsight.

Sees a suspicious person, calls it in.
Suspicious person who is a significant distance ahead, runs away.
Walk towards area where you last saw him running to see where he went, expecting him to be even farther away than before.. BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING AWAY.
Stays in area for 4 minutes with no visual contact on suspicious person.

By all means, tell me how GZ was reckless in any of these actions WITHOUT the benefit of hindsight.  These sound like pretty reasonable actions to me with the information available to him AT THE TIME.


he got out of the car with a loaded gun which seems pretty reckless when he could have waited for the cops
 
2013-07-15 07:48:02 PM

gittlebass: he got out of the car with a loaded gun which seems pretty reckless when he could have waited for the cops


And?  Every CCW holder gets out of their car with a loaded gun.  At that point, and with no foreknowledge, explain how that was risky.  The last thing he saw was that TM was already far away, and running farther away.  You act as if he saw TM coming towards him, and got out of the car to confront him, it's exactly the opposite.  There was literally zero reason at that time to think he was in any danger.
 
2013-07-15 07:48:25 PM

Munchausen's Proxy: There are hundreds upon hundreds of youtube and facebook videos of teens attacking others unprovoked, sometime randomly and sometimes planned.


Which has nothing to do with this guy unless you believe he planned on being followed by some guy so he could beat him up.
 
2013-07-15 07:49:09 PM

gittlebass: he got out of the car with a loaded gun which seems pretty reckless when he could have waited for the cops


Ah... and here's the real issue.  The gun should have been disassembled with three locks on it, locked in a safe at home, right?
 
2013-07-15 07:52:18 PM

Fart_Machine: Munchausen's Proxy: There are hundreds upon hundreds of youtube and facebook videos of teens attacking others unprovoked, sometime randomly and sometimes planned.

Which has nothing to do with this guy unless you believe he planned on being followed by some guy so he could beat him up.


I was responding to a more broad comment about violence, not this specific example
 
2013-07-15 08:06:26 PM

gittlebass: he got out of the car with a loaded gun which seems pretty reckless when he could have waited for the cops


Don't bring the gun into it because you're going to get the gun nuts into a tizzy. Armed or not, you don't follow someone like that unless you plan on starting some shiat.
 
2013-07-15 08:06:58 PM
 
2013-07-15 08:07:48 PM

Mike Chewbacca: It's not like Martin hadn't run away from Zimmerman twice.


You're right, it's not like that at all.  TM left before GZ got out of his car, went to his father's fiance's house, and instead of going inside, went back looking for GZ and re-engaged.

You are extremely passionate about your version of the narrative, despite all the folks here point out all its incorrect and factually baseless parts.
 
2013-07-15 08:11:21 PM
Sarsin:  Armed or not, you don't follow someone like that unless you plan on starting some shiat.

Or... You know... You plan on keeping an eye on them so you can guide the police who are their way.  Which is clearly so unimaginable and irrational that it could never happen.  Oh?  What?  That's what was happening in this case?  Huh....

Unless it's your contention that ZImmerman called the police to the scene, completely forgot he had done so then murdered Martin with the police on the way....
 
2013-07-15 08:12:31 PM

Jackson Herring: good lord my ignore button is getting all faded and worn out


Just make a script that auto ignores any tard that says the following... "was told not to"...  Those 4 words are good indication that the person is useless and has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-07-15 08:25:45 PM

Click Click D'oh: Or... You know... You plan on keeping an eye on them so you can guide the police who are their way.  Which is clearly so unimaginable and irrational that it could never happen.  Oh?  What?  That's what was happening in this case?  Huh....


Does he have a police radio? How do you plan on guiding the police if you can't talk to them and you are no longer in the place where you called them to?
 
2013-07-15 08:28:38 PM

Sarsin: Does he have a police radio? How do you plan on guiding the police if you can't talk to them and you are no longer in the place where you called them to?


Cellphones.... how do they work?
 
2013-07-15 08:29:56 PM

Click Click D'oh: Unless it's your contention that ZImmerman called the police to the scene, completely forgot he had done so then murdered Martin with the police on the way....


Apparently, he's a criminal mastermind who can plan and execute a murder as he goes, and makes no mistakes, but he's not smart enough to realize that he could kill people Dexter-style, WITHOUT needing to spend a year in court.  The cognitive dissonance of these people is astounding.
 
2013-07-15 08:34:10 PM
timujin:
Yeah... it's because of Florida's stand your ground law that he got off:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-f or -firing-warning-shots/


It isn't in that article, but she went to their home, thinking her husband wasn't there. She saw him, went back to the car to get a gun, then came back. There was an argument, and she turned her head away and fired. His kids were there, too.

She doesn't even allege he attacked or threatened her. She needed to go to prison. Maybe not for 20 years, but she needed to go to prison.
 
2013-07-15 08:40:46 PM
Here is the statute that says the aggressor in a conflict can still claim self-defense if the fight escalates:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View+Statutes&Sub Me nu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=force&URL=0700-0799%2F0776 %2FSections%2F0776.041.html

It has nothing to do with stand your ground. Zimmerman waived his stand your ground hearing.

It makes no difference who started the fight.

Martin was using lethal force by slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete. Zimmerman responded with lethal force.

Even if you don't believe the concrete-slamming story, there is no proof to the contrary, and there is some evidence supporting it. A witness said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman before he heard the gunshot, and a medical witness said Zimmerman's injuries were consistent with his story.
 
2013-07-15 08:53:58 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: All those assholes who pushed for the stand your ground law to be enacted are have blood on their hands along with Zimmerman.


Stand your ground has NOTHING to do with the Zimmerman case.  Stop allowing others to manipulate your thinking.  Just as the proposed "gun control" legislation actually had NOTHING to do with or would have prevented Newtown, this case has nothing to do with SYG. 

Please.  I beg you America.  Wake up from the slumber, put down the kool aid, blow up your TV and think for yourself.  We live in an age in which so much information available right at your fingertips on the internet.  Within seconds you can do some real digging and learn to think for yourself.  Read both sides of every story and make a real effort to be impartial before doing so.
I assure you that while you quibble about an irrelevant law in this ridiculously blown out of proportion news story our politicians are getting away with much worse than Zimmerman ever will on a daily basis.

Oh by the way, 93% of the 9000 annually murdered blacks in the US are killed by other blacks and we spend months arguing about a supposedly "racist" (hispanic) "creepy-ass cracker"?  While our "Justice" Department is looking into how they can drag it out even further now?

UGH.  There aren't enough facepalms in a GIS to express my disappointment with Americans right now so I'll just post this.
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This should be all of us right now regardless of what team you're on.  
But not over the isolated "creepy-ass cracker"incident which hascaptivated the drooling masses while you're money is funding terrorism, your emails are being scoured, you're right to free speech is being infringed upon, and you're accepting a system which is gradually moving towards "guilty until proven innocent".
 
2013-07-15 08:56:46 PM
Click Click D'oh
As in, it doesn't matter who started it.

Missing the forest for the trees. The point isn't about this particular case. The point is that an aggressive wannabe-cop stalked an innocent young man for no other reason than racism.
 
2013-07-15 09:07:29 PM

king_nacho: I think you still would have been hard to find a jury that would convict no matter what the law said.


Maybe not a jury of Treyvon's peers.    6 old white ladies?   Yeah.
 
2013-07-15 09:17:51 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld:

Now that you got another insult out of the way, try responding to my question.  I'll wait.

Your "when did you stop beating your wife" question based on your paranoid view of the world?  Not thanks.

catpuncher: gittlebass: he got out of the car with a loaded gun which seems pretty reckless when he could have waited for the cops

Ah... and here's the real issue.  The gun should have been disassembled with three locks on it, locked in a safe at home, right?


Absolutely not.  We all know that gun owners bare absolutely no responsibility for anything that happens with a gun they own at any point.

LiberalWeenie: t has nothing to do with stand your ground. Zimmerman waived his stand your ground hearing


That's been repeated through this discussion and nobody has challenged that assertion.  But it seems to me it's only marginally true that SYG had nothing to do with this case.  It certainly had some effect on how the police treated the crime scene and delayed prosecution to the point Zimmerman was able to cobble together an affirmative defense.

robrr2003: Just make a script that auto ignores any tard that says the following... "was told not to"...


Or just tag anyone defending Zimmerman like he was Spider Man beating down the Green Goblin.

It's obvious a good portion of you knuckleheads only jumped to Zimmerman's defense because the NAACP was upset about it and you don't like the NAACP.  That's clear from all the circular reasoning built around what is essentially George Zimmerman's word as to what happened that night.  Simpletons.
 
2013-07-15 09:24:10 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: Guilty or not if he would have stayed in his car this whole thing would have never happened.


Guilty or not, if his name had been Jorge Zapata, this would never have made headlines.
 
2013-07-15 09:24:52 PM

RanDomino: Missing the forest for the trees. The point isn't about this particular case. The point is that an aggressive wannabe-cop stalked an innocent young man for no other reason than racism


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That one that you keep calling racist, (the "creepy-ass cracker") spent some of his spare time  standing up for a black homeless man before this incident.
From the transcript of the call, here's GZ's response to police when asked if he was white, black or Hispanic:
GZ: "He looks black."
Are you white?  Would Trayvon have called you a "cracker"?  Can you even take a step back and objectively understand how farked that is?  Why is that ok?  Because of slavery?  Because you choose to (obtusely) believe that only white people are capable of being racist?
You want to fight racism?  That's a noble cause.  It slaps you in the face and you still willfully ignore it and choose to look somewhere else.  You're only perpetuating it and even making it worse.  In the inner-cities of America racism is thriving.  Why don't you condemn it?  Racism holds us all back no matter where it's coming from.
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2013-07-15 09:25:29 PM
I'm just going to go ahead and assume that those still in the Trayvon camp are as dumb as Rachel Jeantel because so for they proved to be.
 
2013-07-15 09:27:36 PM

RanDomino: Missing the forest for the trees. The point isn't about this particular case. The point is that an aggressive wannabe-cop stalked an innocent young man for no other reason than racism.


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2013-07-15 09:40:54 PM

Sgt Otter: On the left is Zimmerman shortly after the shooting, when he was regularly going to the gym and taking mixed martial arts. He gained a significant amount of weight before the trial even started, and continued to pack on fat during the trial. His lawyer claimed that he was gorging out of depression, but a few people theorized he did it to deliberately to project that exact image to the jury. Too fat to catch the kid, much less win a fight with him.


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2013-07-15 09:50:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: antidisestablishmentarianism: Guilty or not if he would have stayed in his car this whole thing would have never happened.

Guilty or not, if his name had been Jorge Zapata, this would never have made headlines.


#justiceforallthenamelessblackkidsgunneddownbyotherminoritykids is too long of a hash tag and too long a list
 
2013-07-15 09:51:54 PM
ExpressPork
Click Click D'oh


Woah woah woah, I'm not saying this case is a big deal in itself. I'm just as disgusted with the liberal outrage industrial complex as any sane person who actually wants change should be. I just meant that the reason so many people are upset is that racism still exists in many insidious ways, such as young black men always being assumed to be criminals in everyday interactions. That sort of thing parallels many other seemingly-small things that add up. Stop-and-frisk. Drug testing for welfare recipients (not that welfare recipients are necessarily more like to be PoC, which I don't know, but that the underlying implied assumptions of that drug testing are that A: black people are on welfare and B: black people are all on drugs- it's the same 'Cadillac-driving black single mother popping out more kids to get more welfare' bullshiat rearing its head again, or rather continuing to rear its head). Similar possibly-manufactured cases in the last few years (Sean Bell, Oscar Grant). It adds up to continued system-driven poverty punctuated by insults. So, okay, maybe Zimmerman was completely justified, maybe not, and the fact is that we'll never know, and a trial under a corrupt government (but I repeat myself) with a broken legal system is no indicator of truth, but it doesn't matter. No one really cares about Trayvon Martin. This case is irrelevant. But you guys are totally missing the reason people are upset.
 
2013-07-15 09:56:50 PM

The Lone Gunman: Philip Francis Queeg: Yep, it's almost like a bunch of civilians thought Zimmerman was doing something wrong, so they took the law into their own hands, tracked him down and killed him. Doing something like that would be a terrible injustice.

You mean like that guy who killed Dr. George Tiller after Bill O'Reilly said "Somebody needs to take this guy out"?


Thank you for the reminder that while the media doesn't think we can entertain several trains of thought at once, we certainly can. And that it's important to have a long memory.

I won't go into the topic derailment that is gender bias, but the reminder is there that there's a fine line between a gun nut and a nut with a gun and too many of these crimes seems to be perpetrated by males with weapons and a warped sense of justice.
 
2013-07-15 09:57:54 PM

Elegy: I would argue that Zimmerman showed a reasonable amount of restraint in using his weapon. According the Lauer 911 call Zimmerman was screaming for help for at least 30-40 seconds while getting pummeled, and we know Lauer called 911 some time after the confrontation started. That is, at a minimum, 30-40 seconds longer than the law obligates him to take a beating, because the self-defense laws in Florida (and most states, for that matter) don't actually require you to take any punishment before you can claim self-defense.

Zimmerman also fired a single shot, the minimum needed to stop the threat to himself - he didn't pump Martin's body full of lead and empty the clip into him, he didn't fire wildly into the air. He shot once, stopped the threat to himself, and put away the gun.

Saying Zimmerman "should have been in control" doesn't excuse the fact that Martin showed not one iota of control when he continued to hit Zimmerman.


Reread what I said. If he had just alerted the Police and then sat down to Wheel of Fortune he wouldn't have ever been in the place to be assaulted by a child.

BTW, anyone else think this guy (Zimmerman, not you Elegy) is a giant puss?
 
2013-07-15 09:58:06 PM

Blathering Idjut: BraveNewCheneyWorld:

Now that you got another insult out of the way, try responding to my question.  I'll wait.

Your "when did you stop beating your wife" question based on your paranoid view of the world?  Not thanks.


BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, maybe I don't understand.. I don't understand how you could think there's a problem when someone defends themself with lethal force when in reasonable fear for their life, unless you are the type of person who routinely makes people fear for their lives.  Explain that one to me.   Who should these laws frighten aside from those who conduct themselves like animals?


The question was nothing like that.  It would be more accurate to say, "who is against spousal abuse laws, aside from abusive husbands".  I get it, you won't answer, because you lack the capacity to form any remotely rational answer that still enables you to maintain your willful ignorance.  At least we now know why you have the name that you do.
 
2013-07-15 10:00:25 PM

RanDomino: ExpressPork
Click Click D'oh

Woah woah woah, I'm not saying this case is a big deal in itself. I'm just as disgusted with the liberal outrage industrial complex as any sane person who actually wants change should be. I just meant that the reason so many people are upset is that racism still exists in many insidious ways, such as young black men always being assumed to be criminals in everyday interactions. That sort of thing parallels many other seemingly-small things that add up. Stop-and-frisk. Drug testing for welfare recipients (not that welfare recipients are necessarily more like to be PoC, which I don't know, but that the underlying implied assumptions of that drug testing are that A: black people are on welfare and B: black people are all on drugs- it's the same 'Cadillac-driving black single mother popping out more kids to get more welfare' bullshiat rearing its head again, or rather continuing to rear its head). Similar possibly-manufactured cases in the last few years (Sean Bell, Oscar Grant). It adds up to continued system-driven poverty punctuated by insults. So, okay, maybe Zimmerman was completely justified, maybe not, and the fact is that we'll never know, and a trial under a corrupt government (but I repeat myself) with a broken legal system is no indicator of truth, but it doesn't matter. No one really cares about Trayvon Martin. This case is irrelevant. But you guys are totally missing the reason people are upset.


well that was a whole lotta rambling nonsense.
Most people on welfare are white. This is a well known fact, certainly familiar to people who are in a position to pass such laws but people want to drug test welfare recipients because you assume they assume they're all black? Magical
 
2013-07-15 10:15:17 PM
skullkrusher
Most people on welfare are white. This is a well known fact, certainly familiar to people who are in a position to pass such laws but people want to drug test welfare recipients because you assume they assume they're all black? Magical

To quote myself:

not that welfare recipients are necessarily more like to be PoC, which I don't know, but that the underlying implied assumptions of that drug testing are that A: black people are on welfare and B: black people are all on drugs- it's the same 'Cadillac-driving black single mother popping out more kids to get more welfare' bullshiat rearing its head again, or rather continuing to rear its head

Wow, skully, a full 1/3 of what I said. You're really reaching these days.

Just to flesh out my point a little more, it's not that people on welfare are really mostly poor people of color. It's about maintaining and reinforcing those dually-useful (to people in power) perceptions that Welfare is a black thing (and therefore should be destroyed) and black people are poor and lazy moochers, which is a stereotype that comes in handy for example in order to undermine welfare.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:23 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Again, there was NO STAND YOUR GROUND defense in play here.


But there might be.

"I saw Zimmerman coming towards me and I'm black, so I feared for my life and shot him."

I'd acquit.
 
2013-07-15 10:29:14 PM

RanDomino: skullkrusher
Most people on welfare are white. This is a well known fact, certainly familiar to people who are in a position to pass such laws but people want to drug test welfare recipients because you assume they assume they're all black? Magical

To quote myself:

not that welfare recipients are necessarily more like to be PoC, which I don't know, but that the underlying implied assumptions of that drug testing are that A: black people are on welfare and B: black people are all on drugs- it's the same 'Cadillac-driving black single mother popping out more kids to get more welfare' bullshiat rearing its head again, or rather continuing to rear its head

Wow, skully, a full 1/3 of what I said. You're really reaching these days.

Just to flesh out my point a little more, it's not that people on welfare are really mostly poor people of color. It's about maintaining and reinforcing those dually-useful (to people in power) perceptions that Welfare is a black thing (and therefore should be destroyed) and black people are poor and lazy moochers, which is a stereotype that comes in handy for example in order to undermine welfare.


so, like I said, the assumption you're making is that they think most people on welfare are minorities. It couldn't possibly be a misguided effort to make sure public support is not used for illegal activities or to reduce welfare roles. No, it is whatever RanDomino says it is while he decries manufactured outrage on the left. If the "left" were the way you wanted it to be, it would be even more marginalized than it already is
 
2013-07-15 10:32:46 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: dittybopper: AdolfOliverPanties: Sadly, Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges.  The problem is the law in the state of Florida.  All those assholes who pushed for the stand your ground law to be enacted are have blood on their hands along with Zimmerman.  They made what he did legal.

Wrong.  Under the self-defense laws of every state, even those where you have a positive duty to retreat, Zimmerman would have in all likelihood acquitted, given the same facts.

Here is the law in my state (New York):

2.  A  person  may  not  use deadly physical force upon another person
  under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:
    (a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is  using  or
  about  to  use  deadly  physical  force. Even in such case, however, the
  actor may not use deadly physical force if he or  she  knows  that  with
  complete  personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the
  necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is  under  no
  duty to retreat if he or she is:
    (i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor;

Even if Florida law was identical to that (interestingly, I didn't know NYS had Castle Doctrine), he still would have been covered as he couldn't retreat in complete safety to him and others, because Martin had him pinned to the ground.

This case wasn't what you think it was about.

Did Treyvon Martin have the right to defended himself from an armed assailant?


I don't think Martin even had a clue Zimmerman was armed until he got shot.  So your point is irrelevant.
 
2013-07-15 10:42:26 PM
Cops want SYG elements out of the law because too many gang members and drug dealers are using it to walk.

But keep telling yourself it's only for white people, right after you say it's not about race.
 
2013-07-15 10:47:29 PM

InmanRoshi: king_nacho: I think you still would have been hard to find a jury that would convict no matter what the law said.

Maybe not a jury of Treyvon's peers.    6 old white ladies?   Yeah.


No, it's supposed to be a jury of the accused's peers.  They shoulda got six overweight 29 year old male hispanics.

Seriously though, "peers" means random ordinary citizens, i.e. not police or politicians or those who might want the trial to go a certain way.  It does not mean, people exactly like the accused.
 
2013-07-15 10:57:02 PM

Fart_Machine: He needed a couple of band-aids and was sent home.  Where are these serious injuries you speak of?


oh look, another person who doesn't know what a concussion is

Philip Francis Queeg: But that's all beside the point, there remains no evidence that Martin initiated the physical confrontation. Just speculation.


and the state had to prove that zimmerman was the one who initiated the physical altercation or made threats which warranted some sort of attack from Martin.  They had no evidence of this or witnesses and the Defense offering Martin as the aggressor is just a tactic. They dont have to assert anything yet it worked - they provided a story that the prosecution could only debunk all the while failing to prove their overcharged case.

Mike Chewbacca: Yes, Zimmerman should walk. Does that mean he's innocent? No


if he is not innocent then perhaps you could affirm what he is guilty of, then provide evidence other than your moronic, ill-informed opinions as to why.

Manslaughter?  As it has already been said, manslaughter involves accidental homicide whereby a deliberate and illegal act which in and of itself is not life-threatening contributes to the death of an individual.  Had Trayvon run out into the street and been struck by a car as he was fleeing the spry and fleet of foot George Zimmerman, the State probably could have gotten manslaughter.

Mike Chewbacca: You're assigning blame to the child when it was the adult who was the responsible party in this situation


You cant prove that GZ acted aggressively towards TM
You cant prove that GZ verbally threatened TM
You cant prove that GZ threw the first punch or otherwise assaulted TM

Even the RJ testimony which is is complete hearsay says that the only thing GZ said to Martin is "What are you doing here?"

I think we're all curious as to what you're actually trying to argue at this point.
 
2013-07-15 10:58:27 PM

vpb: king_nacho: antidisestablishmentarianism: Guilty or not if he would have stayed in his car this whole thing would have never happened.

You haven't got a clue what would have happened. If Martin hadn't punched him in the face, this wouldn't have happened either.

Well, Martin couldn't have punched Zimmerman in the face if Zimmerman had followed in a car instead of on foot.  Not if the window was up.


Both sides made some terribly stupid decision and now someone is dead as a result.

Isn't this the exact reason why people say you shouldn't take the law into your own hands?
 
2013-07-15 11:03:52 PM

ExpressPork: Oh by the way, 93% of the 9000 annually murdered blacks in the US are killed by other blacks and we spend months arguing about a supposedly "racist" (hispanic) "creepy-ass cracker"?  While our "Justice" Department is looking into how they can drag it out even further now?


that doesn't move the outrage meter or ring the donation phone over at Rainbow Push or the NAACP.

nevermind black unemployment
nevermind black on black crime
nevermind absentee fatherism in the black community
nevermind any real, substantive and solvable issues in the black community.

Lets find a hispanic and racially tolerant democrat and turn him into a racist white Republican.
 
2013-07-15 11:13:10 PM

o5iiawah: oh look, another person who doesn't know what a concussion is


Yes I do.  I'm sure you have proof he had one and aren't just talking out of your ass again.
 
2013-07-15 11:14:51 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Sadly, Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges.  The problem is the law in the state of Florida.  All those assholes who pushed for the stand your ground law to be enacted are have blood on their hands along with Zimmerman.  They made what he did legal.

This was a racist, wannabe cop vigilante with a short temper, a shiatty brain that makes horrible decisions and a chip on his shoulder.


First, SYG was not at play here. This is day-1 stuff.

Second, the "racist" took a black girl to the prom, and served as a mentor to black children, but i guess that was all just a cover.
 
2013-07-15 11:18:29 PM
On Thursday, July 11, 2013, police discovered the rotting body of 17-year-old Darryl Green, a black child from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. Green's body was found behind a boarded-up house in the 6500-block of South Damen, face down on basement stairs. The body was so badly decomposed that originally, local news reports suggested that he had died of blunt force trauma. On Friday, an autopsy showed he had been shot to death. Relatives reported that Green had refused to join a gang at school.

So, where are the protests, the marches in the streets, and CNN/MSNBC coverage? Where are Al Sharpton and Nancy Grace???
 
2013-07-15 11:20:52 PM

LemSkroob: On Thursday, July 11, 2013, police discovered the rotting body of 17-year-old Darryl Green, a black child from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. Green's body was found behind a boarded-up house in the 6500-block of South Damen, face down on basement stairs. The body was so badly decomposed that originally, local news reports suggested that he had died of blunt force trauma. On Friday, an autopsy showed he had been shot to death. Relatives reported that Green had refused to join a gang at school.

So, where are the protests, the marches in the streets, and CNN/MSNBC coverage? Where are Al Sharpton and Nancy Grace???


They acquitted the gang members who shot him?
 
2013-07-15 11:22:39 PM

s2s2s2: Cops want SYG elements out of the law because too many gang members and drug dealers are using it to walk.

But keep telling yourself it's only for white people, right after you say it's not about race.


Citation?
 
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