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(Daily Mail)   Swedish professor nominates Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize. Obama administration responds by saying; "the nomination seems a bit premature" and suggests Snowden has actually set world peace back decades   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 286
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2013-07-15 07:24:52 PM
LoL, for proper use of ironic tag.
 
2013-07-15 07:36:56 PM
Okay, at this point the Nobel committee is just trolling us.
 
2013-07-15 07:42:23 PM

Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.


I don't want him crushed
what has he revealed that was not already known ?
this seems like more of a smokescreen than the one that would be thrown on April 20th in SanFrancisco

// out to check the worm farm is ready for fertilising the compost to plant kale in my home made greenhouse, then I might go hug a tree, ensure there are no guns on my property and lubricate my kayak rudders... as one does on a monday night
 
2013-07-15 07:45:11 PM

Griftin Rubes: i would hardly call forcing the war mongering Republicans out of the white house "premature"


did he stop or extend the wars they started ?
has he started (or engaged in) any since ?

Partisan wanks think this world is "them and us" it is not really, it is for the truly owned but not for those that dont live in that evironment (hint Im not American, my grandfather was, my daughter is, I will NEVER be)
 
2013-07-15 07:50:29 PM
Pretty sure this Slartibart is the same as MaxPooper, a troll I engaged in an earlier related thread.  Similar style.  2/10
 
2013-07-15 08:17:47 PM

Joe Blowme: Its one thing to bring the spying to the attention of the people (good)... its entirely different to then give stolen files and shiat to our enemys (bad)


I don't have many enemies. He found that kid who suckerpunched me in 3rd grade for a spot on the bleachers?
 
2013-07-15 09:54:19 PM

sendtodave: Crotchrocket Slim: And yes, I have used the phrases "hegemony" and "hegemonic" more than I have fair reason to in my life, though at least I had the shame not to use the phrase "hegemon" in a sentence composed in English.

Dude.  It's a word.


That only assholes who have spent way too much time in academia and very little time interacting with actual human beings in the real world. I say this... as the guy who admitted to being "that guy" in the past in my Boobies.

heg·e·mon (h j-m n) n. One that exercises hegemony.

Feel free to substitute "Unipower," "hyperpower," "lone superpower," or some other shiat to describe the US if you like.

I thought "hegemon" seemed the least douchy.


DIG YOUR GRAVE FASTER RECENT COLLEGE FRESHMAN

Conversely you might want to check above your head for the point of the post that initiated me posting in this thread.
 
2013-07-15 10:53:01 PM
case.ntu.edu.tw

Someone guilty of giving updated technology to the Chinese Communists.

STILL not as bad as the US Pentagon procurement officers who gave the chip technology for US smart bombs and drones to Chinese firms (ALL such chips used to be Chinese-made), or the State Dept. procurement people who contracted for DoS desktops from the Chinese.

/it's only bad if the little people do it, or they're too obvious about it, and embarrass their bosses.
 
2013-07-15 11:07:14 PM

Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.


I'm with you. He put people at risk by exposing this program which is far less intrusive than people are claiming. It's akin to looking at the outside of your envelopes, but the naysayers want you to believe they're really opening it up and reading (listening) to everything inside. He's also a hypocrite for claiming to be a fighter for democracy and transparency and then fleeing to China and Russia.

Then again, I don't look to Fark for much political nuance. I once said I was against the Iraq war but that the military was doing good work there and should be commended for the various construction projects they've performed or helped with. I was almost immediately accused of being a racist who supported the war because I wanted to see as many brown people killed as possible. This was a sentiment that was repeated and "THIS'd" many times over.

On the Snowden issue, I've similarly been accused of being both a "Nazi" and a Stalinist who wants to implement thought control and detention camps for anyone who disagrees with me. Keep on airing your opinion and you'll be flooded with that crap too.
 
2013-07-15 11:09:27 PM

sendtodave: qorkfiend: Fano: ...and Gandhi never got one.

They don't award it posthumously, and I'm not surprised a bunch of Europeans in the late 1940s weren't too keen on giving the award to someone who thought India shouldn't be involved in WWII, however good his reasons were.

Eh.  Not many people know who gets the Peace Prize award.

Ghandi got the Ghandi award.  It is instantly recognizable, and allows you to cut to the front of the line at downtown clubs.


Really? Dude's name is right above you.
 
2013-07-15 11:20:25 PM

Wayne 985: Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.

I'm with you. He put people at risk by exposing this program which is far less intrusive than people are claiming. It's akin to looking at the outside of your envelopes, but the naysayers want you to believe they're really opening it up and reading (listening) to everything inside. He's also a hypocrite for claiming to be a fighter for democracy and transparency and then fleeing to China and Russia.

Then again, I don't look to Fark for much political nuance. I once said I was against the Iraq war but that the military was doing good work there and should be commended for the various construction projects they've performed or helped with. I was almost immediately accused of being a racist who supported the war because I wanted to see as many brown people killed as possible. This was a sentiment that was repeated and "THIS'd" many times over.

On the Snowden issue, I've similarly been accused of being both a "Nazi" and a Stalinist who wants to implement thought control and detention camps for anyone who disagrees with me. Keep on airing your opinion and you'll be flooded with that crap too.


You two should form a club.
 
2013-07-15 11:32:50 PM

Wayne 985: sendtodave: qorkfiend: Fano: ...and Gandhi never got one.

They don't award it posthumously, and I'm not surprised a bunch of Europeans in the late 1940s weren't too keen on giving the award to someone who thought India shouldn't be involved in WWII, however good his reasons were.

Eh.  Not many people know who gets the Peace Prize award.

Ghandi got the Ghandi award.  It is instantly recognizable, and allows you to cut to the front of the line at downtown clubs.

Really? Dude's name is right above you.


Eh, watevher.
 
2013-07-15 11:41:03 PM
 
2013-07-15 11:52:05 PM

sendtodave: Wayne 985: sendtodave: qorkfiend: Fano: ...and Gandhi never got one.

They don't award it posthumously, and I'm not surprised a bunch of Europeans in the late 1940s weren't too keen on giving the award to someone who thought India shouldn't be involved in WWII, however good his reasons were.

Eh.  Not many people know who gets the Peace Prize award.

Ghandi got the Ghandi award.  It is instantly recognizable, and allows you to cut to the front of the line at downtown clubs.

Really? Dude's name is right above you.

Eh, watevher.


I'll confess I doublechecked the spelling and originally spelled it that way, until I decided it didn't look right.
 
2013-07-15 11:55:08 PM

WeenerGord: A Dark Evil Omen: sendtodave: qorkfiend: Fano: ...and Gandhi never got one.

They don't award it posthumously, and I'm not surprised a bunch of Europeans in the late 1940s weren't too keen on giving the award to someone who thought India shouldn't be involved in WWII, however good his reasons were.

Eh.  Not many people know who gets the Peace Prize award.

Ghandi got the Ghandi award.  It is instantly recognizable, and allows you to cut to the front of the line at downtown clubs.

He's a one-man wrecking crew, but he also knows how to PARTY!

There is only one law: HIS law!

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Give me a steak, medium rare!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvLcozLwtE For the few here that don't know, a free education.
 
2013-07-16 12:15:09 AM
Look how peaceful the President looks in this picture:

cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-07-16 12:21:09 AM
No particular comment to add, just wanted to mark the page for later.

/carry on
 
2013-07-16 12:34:53 AM

Fano: WeenerGord: A Dark Evil Omen: sendtodave: qorkfiend: Fano: ...and Gandhi never got one.

They don't award it posthumously, and I'm not surprised a bunch of Europeans in the late 1940s weren't too keen on giving the award to someone who thought India shouldn't be involved in WWII, however good his reasons were.

Eh.  Not many people know who gets the Peace Prize award.

Ghandi got the Ghandi award.  It is instantly recognizable, and allows you to cut to the front of the line at downtown clubs.

He's a one-man wrecking crew, but he also knows how to PARTY!

There is only one law: HIS law!

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 200x300]

Give me a steak, medium rare!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvLcozLwtE For the few here that don't know, a free education.



Hey! Baldy!

*flips table*
 
2013-07-16 01:38:56 AM
And it should go without saying that Snowden is no "hero," he is a dipshiat who threw away his life, his career and his act of whistleblowing put the entire security system at risk.

He shouldn't be receiving a Peace Prize.
 
2013-07-16 02:08:18 AM

whidbey: his act of whistleblowing put the entire security system at risk.


At risk of what? Staying within the bounds proscribed by the Constitution?
 
2013-07-16 02:13:45 AM

BullBearMS: CasperImproved: When he gave his oath to the service, he apparently crossed his fingers. I am all for a firing squad.

I feel that way about the oath to protect and defend the Constitution that all the elected members of our Federal Government take.

However, for the guy exposing those elected official's treason to that oath?

Not so much.


I don't have issue with your view. However, there is a way for him to have done "the right thing". if nothing else, he could have brought his concerns to the AG.

But to bring what he knows to the public forum?

He is a traitor.
 
2013-07-16 02:33:10 AM

WeenerGord: Kittypie070: Gods damn Sweebies.

Hey they are not all bad

[data.whicdn.com image 240x200]


Oh, I know. :D

There's quite a rivalry, but old history is forgiven and it's all in good clean dirty fun.

Haven't seen ya for a while Weener, whassup?
 
2013-07-16 02:38:18 AM

CasperImproved: I don't have issue with your view. However, there is a way for him to have done "the right thing". if nothing else, he could have brought his concerns to the AG.


Multiple NSA whistleblowers have "gone through the proper channels".

Several of them got their homes invaded by gun toting Feds as a "thank you for doing the right thing" gift.

For instance, there are these three NSA whistle blowers.

When a National Security Agency contractor revealed top-secret details this month on the government's collection of Americans' phone and Internet records, one select group of intelligence veterans breathed a sigh of relief.

Thomas Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe belong to a select fraternity: the NSA officials who paved the way.

For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens. They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data-collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media.

To the intelligence community, the trio are villains who compromised what the government classifies as some of its most secret, crucial and successful initiatives. They have been investigated as criminals and forced to give up careers, reputations and friendships built over a lifetime.

Today, they feel vindicated.

They say the documents leaked by Edward Snowden, the 29-year-old former NSA contractor who worked as a systems administrator, proves their claims of sweeping government surveillance of millions of Americans not suspected of any wrongdoing. They say those revelations only hint at the programs' reach.


The video interview with the three of them should be a must watch.

Q: Did Edward Snowden do the right thing in going public?

William Binney: We tried to stay for the better part of seven years inside the government trying to get the government to recognize the unconstitutional, illegal activity that they were doing and openly admit that and devise certain ways that would be constitutionally and legally acceptable to achieve the ends they were really after. And that just failed totally because no one in Congress or - we couldn't get anybody in the courts, and certainly the Department of Justice and inspector general's office didn't pay any attention to it. And all of the efforts we made just produced no change whatsoever. All it did was continue to get worse and expand.

Q: So Snowden did the right thing?

Binney: Yes, I think he did.
 
2013-07-16 03:14:00 AM

BullBearMS: ZoeNekros: Kangaroo_Ralph: ZoeNekros: This whole idea the Obama should not have won the prize simply because he had just started his presidency is stupid. People do not win the Nobel Prize for presidenting. They get them for being vocal and influential voices for noble causes (often by just giving speeches or writing essays). He was that before he was elected. What he does as president is beside the point. You might think that since he's done things that should disqualify him from being awarded the prize, but nominations don't take future actions into account. If you think they should, take it up with the committee, and give them access to your time machine.

So words rather than deeds?

Words and/or deeds. Either is sufficient.

/and I'm only saying that deeds after the award are irrelevant

Ummm. No.

When the deeds are the direct opposite of the words, they are not irrelevant at all.


Oh good, so we have a volunteer with a time-machine after all.

/Or just a nitwit with abysmal reading comprehension
 
2013-07-16 03:31:47 AM
Give Snowden the Nobe Peace Prize?  I honestly think that's a great idea!  You have my support and approval!
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-16 03:40:02 AM
Snowden did not set world peace back decades. The lying, constitution ignoring, illegally spying United States government is to blame here.

If there wasn't a problem, nothing would have been exposed.
 
2013-07-16 03:52:55 AM

qorkfiend: Fano: ...and Gandhi never got one.

They don't award it posthumously, and I'm not surprised a bunch of Europeans in the late 1940s weren't too keen on giving the award to someone who thought India shouldn't be involved in WWII, however good his reasons were.


Where did you get this that Gandhi thought India shouldn't participate in WWII? He is on record as saying that if a war could be justified, it would be the one against Nazi Germany. In fact, Indian soldiers fought with the British and Australians against Rommel with his blessing.
 
2013-07-16 07:38:55 AM

Griftin Rubes: WelldeadLink: The Obama administration has experience with premature Nobel Peace Prize awards.

i would hardly call forcing the war mongering Republicans out of the white house "premature"


For all the Republicans 'war mongering'....more US Soldiers have died on Obama's watch then during all 3 Bush terms (both Sr. and Jr.). Democrats don't give 2 shiats about US Soldiers. Ended the War....'maybe', killed more US Soldiers than both Bushes...without a doubt.
 
2013-07-16 09:13:21 AM

CasperImproved: BullBearMS: CasperImproved: When he gave his oath to the service, he apparently crossed his fingers. I am all for a firing squad.

I feel that way about the oath to protect and defend the Constitution that all the elected members of our Federal Government take.

However, for the guy exposing those elected official's treason to that oath?

Not so much.

I don't have issue with your view. However, there is a way for him to have done "the right thing". if nothing else, he could have brought his concerns to the AG.

But to bring what he knows to the public forum?

He is a traitor.


The AG?  Holder?  Are you farking kidding me?
 
2013-07-16 09:16:21 AM

SBinRR: skinink: Snowden will be Time Magazine's Person of the Year.

He will be a rare two time winner then, since he first won it back in 2006.


2002 as well, it would seem.
 
2013-07-16 10:17:56 AM
actually the USA has set world peace back by decades- Snowden only pointed it out.
 
2013-07-16 10:35:52 AM
Bork bork bork!

/that is all
 
2013-07-16 11:13:18 AM

Kittypie070: WeenerGord: Kittypie070: Gods damn Sweebies.

Hey they are not all bad

[data.whicdn.com image 240x200]

Oh, I know. :D

There's quite a rivalry, but old history is forgiven and it's all in good clean dirty fun.

Haven't seen ya for a while Weener, whassup?



Hi Pie!

Made it back to Finland yet? Wishing you all the best :D
 
2013-07-16 01:58:07 PM

sendtodave: This makes sense, I think.  He should get the prize.

I mean, sure, Snowden is a lying, self serving douche that didn't tell anyone who was paying any attention at all anything they didn't already know.  He just hinted that we should fundamentally change the system, when anyone knows that real change is impossible.  He played us for fools just for his own ego trip.

Wait, did I say Snowden?

I meant the other guy.



I wish you were a Conservative Republican, but i know it's not true :(

It would have been the first funny thing they've ever said. I guess nothing changes.
 
2013-07-16 03:01:26 PM

Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.


As a Liberal, wouldn't you call this guy a hero?  I fail to see the conflict...
 
2013-07-17 12:38:03 AM

Infobahn: I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.


I keep wanting to think what Snowden did equates to the Pentagon Papers, but the math just isn't there.

He's a shiathead.
 
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