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(Daily Mail)   Swedish professor nominates Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize. Obama administration responds by saying; "the nomination seems a bit premature" and suggests Snowden has actually set world peace back decades   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 286
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2013-07-15 03:23:43 PM

Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.


No.
 
2013-07-15 03:24:05 PM
If you want to REALLY go down the rabbit hole, think about how unaccountably powerful the US defense/intelligence community is.  And how paranoid.  Snowden was supposedly working with a  top secret program: do you really think HE wouldn't be under scrutiny?  There's no way "they" wouldn't have been tipped off that he was planning to go rogue.  That would be their nightmare scenario, after all: their secret business paraded before the world.

So, I propose: Snowden is a patsy.  Working on a probably useful, but low-level setup that was, eventually, intended to be "strategically leaked" when the time was right.  His doubts were known by his superiors, and his eventual actions fully anticipated by them.

So if a comprehensive, wildly un-constitutional surveillance system on the US's own citizens is the program they WANT everyone to get upset about... what are they doing that we don't know about?
 
2013-07-15 03:24:47 PM

Stoker: Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.
-=-
Um, No, not at all.
Those other thoughts... you keep to yourself..., The NSA would like to know those thoughts.
---------------

Snowden, the Hero? I'd vote for him.
Obama? No, I don't feel he deserved getting one, and proved it (to me by being Bush). And Snowden solidified the feeling.


Really? Did Obama lied and started two major wars?

He's ended Iraq and Afghanistan ends next year. He now kills our enemies with drones instead of risking our troops. Or when he does risk our troops, he gets the job done with minimal casualty.

He stopped torture, and still is trying to close GITMO.

He also changed the Patriot Act to require warrants. Sadly it's an rubber stamp warrant.
 
2013-07-15 03:24:59 PM

Ned Stark: One of those guys, eh Ned? You know... instead of wishing your fellow Americans and your country ill will, you could just leave. You know, go to wherever it is you think is better.

So I have to abandon my home because I was born next to a bunch of assholes? Nah, that's OK, I think I'll stick around.


Ahh... So you're saying you don't want the country to fall apart, you just want everyone else to suffer? How did you became so hateful of your fellow Americans? Did you get beat up a lot? Were you alienated? Were you shunned by the girl of your dreams? Didn't get that job you always wanted? What was it, Ned? Why do you hate your fellow countrymen?
 
2013-07-15 03:26:27 PM

AeAe: Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.

No.


So eloquent.
 
2013-07-15 03:29:19 PM

pnome: Don't worry about him.  He just doesn't have his head on straight.


Ned Stark might not have his head on straight, but aren't you at least a little curious why he hates us? I know I am. There must be a valid reason why, in his eyes, everyone but him is an 'asshole'. I asked him... I hope he tells us his tragic story of oppression and malfeasance.
 
2013-07-15 03:29:34 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: qorkfiend: Ned Stark: sendtodave: So.

Would dismantling the NSA... and the  CIA, FBI... military industrial all that...  Advance world peace?

Would weakening the USA advance world peace, or harm it?

LIBERAL THROW DOWN!

Is a weaker United States good for the rest of the world?

Yes.

Good, at least in the long run? Probably.
Peaceful? Definitely not.

Oh, yeah, it's so very peaceful now. I suppose the militarized police state makes it peaceful outside your front door as long as you don't say anything or do anything to upset anyone in power or are a minority or dress funny or...


Militarized police state?  Where do you live?  Pakistan?
 
2013-07-15 03:29:48 PM

JohnnyC: Ned Stark: One of those guys, eh Ned? You know... instead of wishing your fellow Americans and your country ill will, you could just leave. You know, go to wherever it is you think is better.

So I have to abandon my home because I was born next to a bunch of assholes? Nah, that's OK, I think I'll stick around.

Ahh... So you're saying you don't want the country to fall apart, you just want everyone else to suffer? How did you became so hateful of your fellow Americans? Did you get beat up a lot? Were you alienated? Were you shunned by the girl of your dreams? Didn't get that job you always wanted? What was it, Ned? Why do you hate your fellow countrymen?


Where did I state I didn't want the country to "fall apart"? Or that I wanted people to suffer? You are imagining things.
 
2013-07-15 03:30:02 PM
Exposing a crime should not be a crime.

Need to put that on a bumper sticker.
 
2013-07-15 03:31:21 PM
The NSA & Homeland security spying on the U.S. and generally monitoring our every move is nothing but fascism in action.

Everyone who is equating this behavior by these agencies as something that promotes freedom or security is simply wrong.

Exposing this wrong doing and criminal activity by these agencies is an obligation to anyone who believes in liberty and freedom.
 
2013-07-15 03:32:13 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: qorkfiend: Ned Stark: sendtodave: So.

Would dismantling the NSA... and the  CIA, FBI... military industrial all that...  Advance world peace?

Would weakening the USA advance world peace, or harm it?

LIBERAL THROW DOWN!

Is a weaker United States good for the rest of the world?

Yes.

Good, at least in the long run? Probably.
Peaceful? Definitely not.

Oh, yeah, it's so very peaceful now. I suppose the militarized police state makes it peaceful outside your front door as long as you don't say anything or do anything to upset anyone in power or are a minority or dress funny or...


I have a little bit of pot in my sock.

I deserve the NSA to turn me over for saying "I have a little bit of pot in my sock" to the FBI. And then I deseve 15 years in prison.

Because freedom!

/OK, now I'm getting bitter again
//dammitsomuch
///why is our great nation run by such authoritarian douchebags?
 
2013-07-15 03:33:02 PM

Ned Stark: Where did I state I didn't want the country to "fall apart"? Or that I wanted people to suffer? You are imagining things.


Well, you must want America to be weaker for some reason. If not to see your fellow Americans suffer, why?
 
2013-07-15 03:33:21 PM

No Such Agency: If you want to REALLY go down the rabbit hole, think about how unaccountably powerful the US defense/intelligence community is.  And how paranoid.  Snowden was supposedly working with a  top secret program: do you really think HE wouldn't be under scrutiny?  There's no way "they" wouldn't have been tipped off that he was planning to go rogue.  That would be their nightmare scenario, after all: their secret business paraded before the world.

So, I propose: Snowden is a patsy.  Working on a probably useful, but low-level setup that was, eventually, intended to be "strategically leaked" when the time was right.  His doubts were known by his superiors, and his eventual actions fully anticipated by them.

So if a comprehensive, wildly un-constitutional surveillance system on the US's own citizens is the program they WANT everyone to get upset about... what are they doing that we don't know about?


So the Romulans are not getting ready to attack?
 
2013-07-15 03:33:29 PM

stuffy: Exposing a crime should not be a crime.

Need to put that on a bumper sticker.


It is when you break your oath to the country.

Spying by its nature is a criminal act. So please try not limit your thinking to bumper sticker lengths.
 
2013-07-15 03:33:32 PM

Griftin Rubes: i would hardly call forcing the war mongering Republicans out of the white house "premature"


It wasn't Obama who did that; it was the US voters. They were the ones who should have been given the Nobel Peace Prize; "...for voting the Republicans out of the White House ..." The US ambassador  could have picked it up on their behalf.

As a norwegian, I had to check to see whether it was April 1st when I heard about Obama getting the peace award. Still, it has been given to far worse people.
 
2013-07-15 03:34:22 PM

Griftin Rubes: WelldeadLink: The Obama administration has experience with premature Nobel Peace Prize awards.

i would hardly call forcing the war mongering Republicans out of the white house "premature"


Obama did that, did he? Tell me you don't vote.
 
2013-07-15 03:35:15 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: qorkfiend: Ned Stark: sendtodave: So.

Would dismantling the NSA... and the  CIA, FBI... military industrial all that...  Advance world peace?

Would weakening the USA advance world peace, or harm it?

LIBERAL THROW DOWN!

Is a weaker United States good for the rest of the world?

Yes.

Good, at least in the long run? Probably.
Peaceful? Definitely not.

Oh, yeah, it's so very peaceful now. I suppose the militarized police state makes it peaceful outside your front door as long as you don't say anything or do anything to upset anyone in power or are a minority or dress funny or...


I didn't say it was peaceful now.
 
2013-07-15 03:37:24 PM

Joe Blowme: Its one thing to bring the spying to the attention of the people (good)... its entirely different to then give stolen files and shiat to our enemys (bad)


Last I heard, he stated that he didn't give any secrets to China or Russia. Not telling you who to believe - just pointing that out.
 
2013-07-15 03:38:27 PM

JohnnyC: Ned Stark: Where did I state I didn't want the country to "fall apart"? Or that I wanted people to suffer? You are imagining things.

Well, you must want America to be weaker for some reason. If not to see your fellow Americans suffer, why?


So it will stop exporting suffer to the rest of the planet.

Hell, its not like America has been all that good to its citizens and residents locally either. More prisons than anywhere else in the world.
 
2013-07-15 03:38:32 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Joe Blowme: ZoeNekros: This whole idea the Obama should not have won the prize simply because he had just started his presidency is stupid. People do not win the Nobel Prize for presidenting. They get them for being vocal and influential voices for noble causes (often by just giving speeches or writing essays). He was that before he was elected. What he does as president is beside the point. You might think that since he's done things that should disqualify him from being awarded the prize, but nominations don't take future actions into account. If you think they should, take it up with the committee, and give them access to your time machine.

Ill bite, what did he do to deserve it

Got elected, ending Republican control of the U.S. government. This might come as a surprise to you, but after 8 years of Bush most of the world easily considered that worth a Nobel.



Yes, well then, joke's on the rest of the world. Clearly a large number of them don't understand the nature of our political system.
 
2013-07-15 03:39:52 PM

phenn: Griftin Rubes: WelldeadLink: The Obama administration has experience with premature Nobel Peace Prize awards.

i would hardly call forcing the war mongering Republicans out of the white house "premature"

Obama did that, did he? Tell me you don't vote.


Ahh, you're right. He didn't spend an incredible amount of time, effort, and money to become President. He ran unopposed, right? He just waltzed right on in there. Nobody named McCain was running against him. Or maybe you're saying he didn't earn his votes... OH! Are you saying he STOLE THEM?! Ah ha! Tell us more!
 
2013-07-15 03:40:24 PM

orezona: Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.

Suuuuure, you're a "Liberal"...


You're surprised that a 'Liberal' wants the same thing that Obama does?
 
2013-07-15 03:41:34 PM

urbangirl: A Dark Evil Omen: qorkfiend: Ned Stark: sendtodave: So.

Would dismantling the NSA... and the  CIA, FBI... military industrial all that...  Advance world peace?

Would weakening the USA advance world peace, or harm it?

LIBERAL THROW DOWN!

Is a weaker United States good for the rest of the world?

Yes.

Good, at least in the long run? Probably.
Peaceful? Definitely not.

Oh, yeah, it's so very peaceful now. I suppose the militarized police state makes it peaceful outside your front door as long as you don't say anything or do anything to upset anyone in power or are a minority or dress funny or...

Militarized police state?  Where do you live?  Pakistan?


...

In the late 90s, when I was a teenager,,

(old man story to follow.  expect onion belts)

I grew up in the poorest neighborhood of the richest county in the country.  When I was a teenage nerd I used to like to hang out at the local Denny's to late hours, drinking coffee and talking about things that would someday never change the world.

Every night that I was out past midnight, and I walked home, I would be stopped by the police.  And they demanded my ID, on threat of "going back to the station."

Every friggen time.  And I'm a white guy!  In the 90s!

"Oh, well, there have been a lot of cars broken into in this neighborhood.  We need to insinuate that you may be a criminal, because you are walking at odd hours!  WTF are you going to do about it?"

I told my father about this recently, and he popped an old man gasket.  "They did WHAT?"

Me?  I just figured it was normal to get stopped by the police, questioned and searched.

Imagine how a black guy feels.  Or a Mexican.

Yeah.

I'm thinking police state.
 
2013-07-15 03:44:06 PM
I should have let them hook my TV up and monitor my programs, but it seemed like such a hassle since the NSA had just done it the week before.  I would have voted for him.

Wait, it is the Neilsens that give out Nobel Prizes right?
 
2013-07-15 03:44:13 PM

Ned Stark: JohnnyC: Ned Stark: Where did I state I didn't want the country to "fall apart"? Or that I wanted people to suffer? You are imagining things.

Well, you must want America to be weaker for some reason. If not to see your fellow Americans suffer, why?

So it will stop exporting suffer to the rest of the planet.

Hell, its not like America has been all that good to its citizens and residents locally either. More prisons than anywhere else in the world.


Are you a US citizen?

Is your family "foreign?"

If so, well, that's still cool, it shows how the rest of the world sees the US.

As a bully.

But we know this already.
 
2013-07-15 03:45:19 PM

Ned Stark: JohnnyC: Ned Stark: Where did I state I didn't want the country to "fall apart"? Or that I wanted people to suffer? You are imagining things.

Well, you must want America to be weaker for some reason. If not to see your fellow Americans suffer, why?

So it will stop exporting suffer to the rest of the planet.

Hell, its not like America has been all that good to its citizens and residents locally either. More prisons than anywhere else in the world.


So how are you proposing we make these changes? I assume you mean we fight in no more conflicts anywhere in the world. So... military isolationism. I might be able to get on board with that... but we'd have to stop funding countries like Israel and any other country that engages in conflicts too. We can't just keep our soldiers out of it but keep our dollars in it. So maybe some financial isolationism as well.

What about the prisoners here in the US? How do you propose we deal with that? Who do you let go? Who do you keep in prison? How do we decide?
 
2013-07-15 03:45:20 PM

JohnnyC: phenn: Griftin Rubes: WelldeadLink: The Obama administration has experience with premature Nobel Peace Prize awards.

i would hardly call forcing the war mongering Republicans out of the white house "premature"

Obama did that, did he? Tell me you don't vote.

Ahh, you're right. He didn't spend an incredible amount of time, effort, and money to become President. He ran unopposed, right? He just waltzed right on in there. Nobody named McCain was running against him. Or maybe you're saying he didn't earn his votes... OH! Are you saying he STOLE THEM?! Ah ha! Tell us more!


I'm saying the voters put him in office. Either way, it was a painfully stupid remark. Painfully stupid.
 
2013-07-15 03:46:43 PM

JohnnyC: I assume you mean we fight in no more conflicts anywhere in the world. So... military isolationism. I might be able to get on board with that... but we'd have to stop funding countries like Israel and any other country that engages in conflicts too.


I fail to see the problem.
 
2013-07-15 03:46:56 PM

ZoeNekros: This whole idea the Obama should not have won the prize simply because he had just started his presidency is stupid. People do not win the Nobel Prize for presidenting. They get them for being vocal and influential voices for noble causes (often by just giving speeches or writing essays). He was that before he was elected. What he does as president is beside the point. You might think that since he's done things that should disqualify him from being awarded the prize, but nominations don't take future actions into account. If you think they should, take it up with the committee, and give them access to your time machine.


He was awarded the NPP for one reason and one reason alone: as a giant "f**k you" to his predecessor's administration.

/little did they know
 
2013-07-15 03:48:04 PM
The quote in subby's headline doesn't appear in the article. WTF?
 
2013-07-15 03:48:24 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: ZoeNekros: This whole idea the Obama should not have won the prize simply because he had just started his presidency is stupid. People do not win the Nobel Prize for presidenting. They get them for being vocal and influential voices for noble causes (often by just giving speeches or writing essays). He was that before he was elected. What he does as president is beside the point. You might think that since he's done things that should disqualify him from being awarded the prize, but nominations don't take future actions into account. If you think they should, take it up with the committee, and give them access to your time machine.

He was awarded the NPP for one reason and one reason alone: as a giant "f**k you" to his predecessor's administration.

/little did they know


So, an Snowden get the award as a giant fark you to the Obama administration?

Seems fair.
 
2013-07-15 03:50:57 PM

Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.


Going to Whole Foods doesn't make you a liberal.
 
2013-07-15 03:51:32 PM
grokca:
So the Romulans are not getting ready to attack?

Not as far as I know.  I can't make any promises about CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN however.
 
2013-07-15 03:51:44 PM

sendtodave: So, an Snowden


can*

And actually, you know, that's kinda a thing.

People go "Of course Obama didn't live up to expectations, he's a moderate centrist, he'll just continue or expand the programs that Bush put into place, couldn't you see that?"  With their 20/20 hind sight.

The friggen Nobel Peace Prize committee believed in Change.  What do you expect?
 
2013-07-15 03:52:24 PM

oryx: Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.

Going to Whole Foods doesn't make you a liberal.


What if he goes there in a Prius?
 
2013-07-15 03:54:08 PM
I hope he wins, he deserves one more than Obama ever did.
 
2013-07-15 03:55:47 PM

ZoeNekros: Kangaroo_Ralph: ZoeNekros: This whole idea the Obama should not have won the prize simply because he had just started his presidency is stupid. People do not win the Nobel Prize for presidenting. They get them for being vocal and influential voices for noble causes (often by just giving speeches or writing essays). He was that before he was elected. What he does as president is beside the point. You might think that since he's done things that should disqualify him from being awarded the prize, but nominations don't take future actions into account. If you think they should, take it up with the committee, and give them access to your time machine.

So words rather than deeds?

Words and/or deeds. Either is sufficient.

/and I'm only saying that deeds after the award are irrelevant


Ummm. No.

When the deeds are the direct opposite of the words, they are not irrelevant at all.
 
2013-07-15 03:58:52 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: /little did they know


The rapture experienced in the rest of the world in 2008 shows just how well we play our game. Most of the rest of the world is completely accustomed to "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" in their own political systems, and yet they think that the United States is somehow above such things.

Our Government has WELL over 2 centuries of continuity-of-government under its belt - much longer than most of the world has. People are being hoodwinked by their own hopes and fantasies if they believe that a U.S. election marks any sort of meaningful change of course in the way we do business.
 
2013-07-15 04:00:58 PM

Infobahn: AeAe: Infobahn: Any other Liberals, like myself, who want to crush Snowden?  I am conflicted if I should feel conflicted.  I think this pinhead should see a courtroom (et al), soon.  I have other thoughts I will keep to myself.

I am going to Whole Foods now and pay too much for Kale.

No.

So eloquent.


Let me ask you:  Are you ok with the massive spying the US government is conducting on the American people?  Because I'm not.  And, no, I don't want to "crush Snowden".
 
2013-07-15 04:01:05 PM

fireclown: The Obama administration should shut the frak up about this before they end up looking really stupid.


If Obama had a Peace Prize, it would look like Snowden's.

Since you mentioned Obama's need to shut up before he looks stupid.
 
2013-07-15 04:01:08 PM

JohnnyC: Ned Stark: JohnnyC: Ned Stark: Where did I state I didn't want the country to "fall apart"? Or that I wanted people to suffer? You are imagining things.

Well, you must want America to be weaker for some reason. If not to see your fellow Americans suffer, why?

So it will stop exporting suffer to the rest of the planet.

Hell, its not like America has been all that good to its citizens and residents locally either. More prisons than anywhere else in the world.

So how are you proposing we make these changes? I assume you mean we fight in no more conflicts anywhere in the world. So... military isolationism. I might be able to get on board with that... but we'd have to stop funding countries like Israel and any other country that engages in conflicts too. We can't just keep our soldiers out of it but keep our dollars in it. So maybe some financial isolationism as well.

What about the prisoners here in the US? How do you propose we deal with that? Who do you let go? Who do you keep in prison? How do we decide?


Well there's the obvious low hanging fruit of nonviolent drug offenders for "who to let out".
 
2013-07-15 04:01:45 PM

BigNumber12: Pants full of macaroni!!: /little did they know

The rapture experienced in the rest of the world in 2008 shows just how well we play our game. Most of the rest of the world is completely accustomed to "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" in their own political systems, and yet they think that the United States is somehow above such things.

Our Government has WELL over 2 centuries of continuity-of-government under its belt - much longer than most of the world has. People are being hoodwinked by their own hopes and fantasies if they believe that a U.S. election marks any sort of meaningful change of course in the way we do business.


Sooooo... What do you suggest to enact real change?

/please say revolution
//I want to give the NSA something to care about tonight
 
2013-07-15 04:03:46 PM

Ned Stark: Well there's the obvious low hanging fruit of nonviolent drug offenders for "who to let out".


Maybe you haven't noticed, but there's a war going on.

The War on Drugs?

Ever heard of it?

Winners Don't Use Drugs.

Losers Go To Prison, Never Find A Decent Job Again.
 
2013-07-15 04:04:14 PM
When the Nobel committee moves to strip Obama of his peace prize for not halting the seizure of my texts, calls, emails, location records, and network data, and for ensuring that the Government could easily prove my fondness for tranny German monkey midget scat porn, then we can talk.
 
2013-07-15 04:05:45 PM

sendtodave: Sooooo... What do you suggest to enact real change?


Why would we want that?
 
2013-07-15 04:06:38 PM
If McCain had won, we would still be at full deployment in both middle eastern wars that exist when Obama took office. We would also probably engaged in Iran and Syria.
 
2013-07-15 04:09:54 PM
4tehsnowflakes: When the Nobel committee moves to strip Obama of his peace prize for not halting the seizure of my texts, calls, emails, location records, and network data, and for ensuring that the Government could easily prove my fondness for tranny German monkey midget scat porn, then we can talk.

tranny German monkey midget scat porn? thats lightweight stuff by Fark standards. Call us back when you graduate to tranny Thai donkey amputee midget feltch porn
 
2013-07-15 04:10:45 PM

BigNumber12: sendtodave: Sooooo... What do you suggest to enact real change?

Why would we want that?


Fair enough.

Status quo we can believe in!
 
2013-07-15 04:13:18 PM

sendtodave: Ned Stark: Well there's the obvious low hanging fruit of nonviolent drug offenders for "who to let out".

Maybe you haven't noticed, but there's a war going on.

The War on Drugs?

Ever heard of it?

Winners Don't Use Drugs.

Losers Go To Prison, Never Find A Decent Job Again.


Of yeah, that whole system where you never get to make money again after you go to jail is back asswards too. Its really too bad that making arrests secret would be even worse.
 
2013-07-15 04:13:56 PM

overfienduglar: If McCain had won

...

Um.

The people didn't want him, nor did the powers that be.  Might as well have said "If my poodle had won..."

Anything that follows is pure fantasy.

Interesting tangent for a boring thread, though.
 
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