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2013-07-16 08:04:29 AM

Kittypie070: graeth: Kittypie070: graeth: Serves them right; they should have done something more with their lives instead of depending on others.
People need to be taught that there are consequences.

Graeth doesn't have a job!

I lol'ed. Almost all over my desk in my office.
I miss being able to laugh at poor people who had chosen poorly. Then the government came in to kick natural selection in the balls.

Awright, so I was a bit off.

How about this?

What? Nope, not me. I never smile if I can help it. When someone smiles at me, all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life. I never need to worry about those chimps in HR, or performance reviews while I'm pissing away the boss' time on Fark. I don't depend on a boss. Dependency is a vile weakness that should be punished.

I don't even depend on my job being here tomorrow.

Bananas.


*funnied*
 
2013-07-16 10:06:26 AM

Kittypie070: graeth: Kittypie070: graeth:

Awright, so I was a bit off.

How about this?

What? Nope, not me. I never smile if I can help it. When someone smiles at me, all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life. I never need to worry about those chimps in HR, or performance reviews while I'm pissing away the boss' time on Fark. I don't depend on a boss. Dependency is a vile weakness that should be punished.

I don't even depend on my job being here tomorrow.

Bananas.


Or maybe its not my bosses' time, perhaps it is my own. Perhaps I work for project completion rather than just putting in my 'forty a week' and clocking out even if its beyond what my contract stated; perhaps I have something called a 'work ethic' that seems to have almost disappeared in this day in age. Perhaps I don't worry about my job prospects because when put myself through school I chose a career path that was useful to the world/society/etc instead of wasting my time in the pursuit of obscure English rules, or women's studies or psychology or some other Arts degree/field--so I could count on getting a job anytime, anywhere, anywhen as long as civilization hasn't collapsed (prepping for that is free time). I'm not against helping people--who put forth an effort.


As for smiling: http://youtu.be/mNrXMOSkBas
Also, someone seems to really have a grudge against chimps.....whats the matter? Chimp got yo' baby?
 
2013-07-16 11:01:17 AM

graeth: Or maybe its not my bosses' time, perhaps it is my own. Perhaps I work for project completion rather than just putting in my 'forty a week' and clocking out even if its beyond what my contract stated; perhaps I have something called a 'work ethic' that seems to have almost disappeared in this day in age. Perhaps I don't worry about my job prospects because when put myself through school I chose a career path that was useful to the world/society/etc instead of wasting my time in the pursuit of obscure English rules, or women's studies or psychology or some other Arts degree/field--so I could count on getting a job anytime, anywhere, anywhen as long as civilization hasn't collapsed (prepping for that is free time). I'm not against helping people--who put forth an effort.


I'm sorry you've never had to struggle or suffer for a single thing in your entire life. It's made you a shallow, hateful person who is unable to relate to others.
 
2013-07-16 11:34:07 AM

verbaltoxin: Uncle Tractor: Things that should be run by the government:

Health care.
Education.
Pensions.
Prisons.

Nope, sorry, private companies have proven over and over that they aren't able to do this without screwing the customers. Maybe banking should be added to the list.

I'm okay with banking being a private enterprise. I think banks should separate from investment brokerages, like they were under Glass-Steagall.


I'm shortymac and I wholeheartedly approve this message.
 
2013-07-16 11:53:49 AM
Sergeant Grumbles:

I'm sorry you've never had to struggle or suffer for a single thing in your entire life. It's made you a shallow, hateful person who is unable to relate to others.

I can relate to others just fine; other productive people.

Ignoring the argument of 'what gives you the right to say you are even remotely qualified to say what is a burden'--what would you consider a powerful enough force to valiantly 'struggle' against or 'suffer'?
Racism? Sexism?
 
2013-07-16 12:45:38 PM

graeth: I can relate to others just fine; other productive people.


Doubtful, if you're constantly judging others in such a way.

graeth: Ignoring the argument of 'what gives you the right to say you are even remotely qualified to say what is a burden'--what would you consider a powerful enough force to valiantly 'struggle' against or 'suffer'?
Racism? Sexism?


If you have to ask, it means you don't know. "Working hard at my job" is not the kind of thing that qualifies, nor is it as if people will disagree you should work hard at your job. It's just something you tell yourself you've struggled with to hold over the people you consider unproductive. What's even more telling is that you hold up a 40+ hour work week in a thread whose topic is about employers reducing employee hours.
 
2013-07-16 02:00:47 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: graeth: I can relate to others just fine; other productive people.

Doubtful, if you're constantly judging others in such a way.


As you say of me, you do to I.

graeth: Ignoring the argument of 'what gives you the right to say you are even remotely qualified to say what is a burden'--what would you consider a powerful enough force to valiantly 'struggle' against or 'suffer'?
Racism? Sexism?

If you have to ask, it means you don't know. "Working hard at my job" is not the kind of thing that qualifies, nor is it as if people will disagree you should work hard at your job. It's just something you tell yourself you've struggled with to hold over the people you consider unproductive. What's even more telling is that you hold up a 40+ hour work week in a thread whose topic is about employers reducing employee hours.


Pretty weak if your only argument is 'if you don't know, then you don't know--and I'm not going to tell you even though it looks like I don't know either'.

Did I 'suffer' in Somalia or Sudan? No, but that's not even relevant to the topic at hand--the use of 'suffer' is hardly an apt term in this argument. As for struggling, most of the population does it. Choices are everywhere and a fair amount of people in the US seem to forget that there are consequences to their choices and just want to reap benefits; regardless of class. Insanely rich skirting the laws are just as bad as the poor wanting someone else to float them.

And I'm 'holding up a 40+ hour work week' to show that the positions still exist; and that is very relevant to the topic. People should leave their part time jobs if it doesn't hold any incentive for them, rather than just whining about it and wanting someone else to swoop in and fix their lives or forcing others to support them. There are always better jobs out there. So what if you're not qualified for them? Get qualified. Anything with worth should require effort.
 
2013-07-16 02:32:29 PM

graeth: Pretty weak if your only argument is 'if you don't know, then you don't know--and I'm not going to tell you even though it looks like I don't know either'.

Did I 'suffer' in Somalia or Sudan? No, but that's not even relevant to the topic at hand--the use of 'suffer' is hardly an apt term in this argument. As for struggling, most of the population does it. Choices are everywhere and a fair amount of people in the US seem to forget that there are consequences to their choices and just want to reap benefits; regardless of class. Insanely rich skirting the laws are just as bad as the poor wanting someone else to float them.

And I'm 'holding up a 40+ hour work week' to show that the positions still exist; and that is very relevant to the topic. People should leave their part time jobs if it doesn't hold any incentive for them, rather than just whining about it and wanting someone else to swoop in and fix their lives or forcing others to support them. There are always better jobs out there. So what if you're not qualified for them? Get qualified. Anything with worth should require effort.


Again, showing the complete lack of  any kind of struggle you yourself went through. You've never had to make hard choices. You've never been hungry. Not truly.
You act as though giving it your best effort will always leave you better off. It doesn't. Sometimes it just leaves you tired. Sometimes it ruins you. And having tasted such bitter defeat, some people would rather work a crappy job for a meager meal than risk again for better and end up starved.
 
2013-07-16 04:37:34 PM
Sergeant Grumbles:
Again, showing the complete lack of  any kind of struggle you yourself went through. You've never had to make hard choices. You've never been hungry. Not truly.
You act as though giving it your best effort will always leave you better off. It doesn't. Sometimes it just leaves you tired. Sometimes it ruins you. And having tasted such bitter defeat, some people would rather work a crappy job for a meager meal than risk again for better and end up starved.


And again you make boundless statements. What would you classify as a 'hard decision'. Pay rent or utilities instead of eating? Been there. Or hungry in the sense of 3 weeks without food. Never been there,  though I'm sure you haven't either.

Its okay to be tired, its okay to give up; just people need to stop expecting others to take pity on them and bail them out when they've made poor choices.
 
2013-07-16 04:47:48 PM

graeth: Sergeant Grumbles:
Again, showing the complete lack of  any kind of struggle you yourself went through. You've never had to make hard choices. You've never been hungry. Not truly.
You act as though giving it your best effort will always leave you better off. It doesn't. Sometimes it just leaves you tired. Sometimes it ruins you. And having tasted such bitter defeat, some people would rather work a crappy job for a meager meal than risk again for better and end up starved.

And again you make boundless statements. What would you classify as a 'hard decision'. Pay rent or utilities instead of eating? Been there. Or hungry in the sense of 3 weeks without food. Never been there,  though I'm sure you haven't either.

Its okay to be tired, its okay to give up; just people need to stop expecting others to take pity on them and bail them out when they've made poor choices.


Yes, poor choices like being born poor. Or being born into a society where you need to go to college or you'll never be able to earn a proper living for yourself, of if your job got outsourced, the poor choice of choosing a field that got outsourced. Things like that?
 
2013-07-16 05:19:17 PM

graeth: Pay rent or utilities instead of eating? Been there.


If you had been brought that low, with no other options, you'd have more sympathy, or you're so selfish and self-righteous that your opinion doesn't count for anything. You either understand what it was like and wouldn't wish that on anyone or you're a Craig T. Nelson ignorant of all the help and breaks you received. It's not a boundless statement, it really is that simple. You either understand, or you don't. You've repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance.

graeth: just people need to stop expecting others to take pity on them and bail them out when they've made poor choices.


What people need is for assholes to stop shiatting on them for every little thing, even those beyond their control, and holding it over their heads their entire lives as if there was even some benefit to doing so.
 
2013-07-16 05:38:35 PM

Uncle Tractor: Things that should be run by the government:

Health care.
Education.
Pensions.
Prisons.

Nope, sorry, private companies have proven over and over that they aren't able to do this without screwing the customers. Maybe banking should be added to the list.


Interstate
Mass Transit
Post Office.

Some things SHOULD be controlled by the Gov. because they are societal services, even if business can do it cheaper.
Some things SHOULD NOT rely on corporations who are profit driven to manage activities that need to serve those without money.

Non-Profits and Gov. can also do good business.
USPS can use some trimming but it is amazing that a letter can move across a country the size of near all of Europe in 2 days for less than the cost of a candy bar.
 
2013-07-16 06:04:54 PM

skozlaw: You know... I want to biatch about the Job Creators (TM) because they have a very heavy hand in this trend but....

.... another BIG part of the problem here is us. As long as consumers continue to demand nothing from their consumption but the maximum quantity of product at the minimum possible price this is going to continue to happen. Wal Mart doesn't only pay shiat wages to a skeleton staff to maximize profits and shareholder benefits, it also does that to keep costs as low as possible so it can sell products at the lowest price it possibly can.

Yea, fat cats screwing people over on their basic healthcare just so they can buy another ivory butt scratcher is part of the problem, but as long as we live in a society where the rest of us demand that prices constantly fall we also hold a considerable chunk of the blame for the plight of the "service class".


This. Like the guy talking about businesses acting rationally, rational actions are purely subjective. The only thing stopping us from turning the economy into something that works for everyone as opposed to the people the already had money or sheer luck is collective inaction and denial. Status quo is just fine, and few people care enough to think that their company is integrally connected to the workers and local community.

The amount of little things that add up over 40 years is amazing. People scratch their heads all day long wondering why are we in this mess, when it's so painfully obvious that globalization uprooting assets and business that support your local economic ecosystem is such a raw and unjust deal to consumers and workers.

I used to think it was inherent in capitalism to work this way, but it's really not. You can have both good and bad results with anarchy, monarchy, theocracy, fascism, communism, or capitalism. We are a social being and our actions have consequences that we can't just keep to ourselves. When, collectively, we forget that our duty should be the betterment of society instead of using our economies for nothing but consumptive masturbation you will end up failing. Governments and economies are social constructs, and will not work for the good of society when people stop working with them.

Ohhh, people...
 
2013-07-16 10:21:45 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Smeggy Smurf: Damn it feels good to have a career

Hold onto that feeling. I had a career, too, until Chase laid me off after 12 years of outstanding performance (no, really, I was in the top 10% and even earned their version of the employee of the quarter) because I lived in the wrong state. Three years later, I can't get a job at Petco because I'm overqualified but I don't have the connections here to get back into data analysis. I'm back in school to become a pharmacist.


When he gets laid off it will be Obama's fault.
 
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