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(Fast Company)   "...new artists get paid fark all with this model": Thom Yorke pulls his music from Spotify   (fastcompany.com) divider line 44
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2013-07-15 10:52:25 AM  
Which is why I've been to see 20 shows of the bands I've discovered on Spotify in the last year alone.

But sure, they don't get paid when I go see them live.

Instead I'm supposed to buy their record, of which the actual band may see $0.15?  No thanks.
 
2013-07-15 10:57:18 AM  
Talentless lazy-eyed pompous fart-sniffing hack.....

But, to be fair, I farking hate Radiohead.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:16 AM  
Yes 'new artists' should just go back to doing a mall opening once a month for 50 dollars and the occasional live show at a dive bar to 'get their name out' for 2 free drinks and however many cds they can sell.  Or does he mean 'new artists' as in 'the industry says this are the next big thing so they get to be rich now'?
 
2013-07-15 11:02:24 AM  
I'd rather see the complaint about the pittance paid to new artists come from, you know, a new artist, not an obscenely rich established artist and his obscenely rich producer. Kinda rings a bit hollow, Lars.
 
2013-07-15 11:03:10 AM  
YORKE Y U NO RAWK!!?
 
2013-07-15 11:03:54 AM  
If Radiohead could provide some numbers to back up their statements that would be nice.  Otherwise I'm not certain whether they have a legitimate point or not.

Also a worldwide mega-group strikes me as an odd spokesperson for the "little guy".  If anything their "In Rainbows" stunt proves that you need name recognition first before you can make money selling your own stuff.  How exactly is the "little guy" supposed to get name recognition and fan base without some form of exposure?
 
kab
2013-07-15 11:10:40 AM  

ShepTR: Which is why I've been to see 20 shows of the bands I've discovered on Spotify in the last year alone.

But sure, they don't get paid when I go see them live.

Instead I'm supposed to buy their record, of which the actual band may see $0.15?  No thanks.


It doesn't work like that in every case.   Not all artists tour, so album sales are how they make money.   Not all bands even make money playing, as P2P in some venues is starting to unfortunately see quite the comeback (ie, band is required to sell x number of tickets themselves, or other schemes)

Spotify paying very little per play doesn't annoy me per se.   Folks happily signing up and paying Spotify for a subscription, while at the same time bemoaning the fact that their favorite artist gets no compensation due to middle men (ie, the eevil recording industry), however, does make one sort of say 'uhh...wtf'.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:44 AM  
Radio != Internet

Comparing the two is dumb, particularly with money. I'm pretty sure artists get paid more per listener under Spotify than they do with airplay from a radio station. The problem, of course, is that it is filtered through the record labels, who will, of course, misrepresent those numbers as much as possible (wouldn't want the artist to have a clear financial picture, ever).

If Thom Yorke saw the numbers as a "per listener" number, he'd probably be raging to pull his music from radio.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:51 AM  
Haha, man Thom Yorke is about to get pwned by a bunch of white guys who are "good with computers" and subsequently know all about how the music industry works.
 
kab
2013-07-15 11:12:33 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd rather see the complaint about the pittance paid to new artists come from, you know, a new artist, not an obscenely rich established artist and his obscenely rich producer. Kinda rings a bit hollow, Lars.


You hear them come from new artists all the time.   And the usual reaction is "well then your music must suck".
 
2013-07-15 11:13:15 AM  

kab: It doesn't work like that in every case. Not all artists tour, so album sales are how they make money. Not all bands even make money playing, as P2P in some venues is starting to unfortunately see quite the comeback (ie, band is required to sell x number of tickets themselves, or other schemes)


A freelance client of mine was at one point having me work on a site to crowdfund venue appearances. It could be initiated either by the band itself or fans in the target city (obviously if the band agreed to perform there). It seemed like an interesting idea but they ran out of funding to build the site. I'm still debating offering to work on it in exchange for a small stake.
 
2013-07-15 11:30:04 AM  
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, Thom.
 
2013-07-15 11:38:19 AM  
If you are not performing fellatio for radio rotation
What's the ratio for radio play at your station?
If you're not paying to play the record is dead
Puts a whole new spin on Radiohead
 
2013-07-15 11:43:14 AM  
Not Thom Yorke! What will I listen to on Spotify now? Oh, everything else I guess...
 
2013-07-15 11:46:14 AM  
If you want to help new artists then you pull them up with you, not drop the line and walk away telling them they deserve to get a better deal.
 
2013-07-15 11:48:16 AM  
I'm listening to Radiohead on Spotify right now, so either this hasn't taken effect yet or something else is wrong here.
 
2013-07-15 11:53:51 AM  

numb3r5ev3n: I'm listening to Radiohead on Spotify right now, so either this hasn't taken effect yet or something else is wrong here.


I think it just applies to Atoms for Peace.
 
2013-07-15 11:57:26 AM  
The Thom Yorkes and Lars Ulrichs of the world: "Waah, Spotify won't pay us enough to get those new gold-plated shark tanks."

All other new artists: "Please listen to our music. On Spotify, on Bandcamp. On YouTube. Steal the album even."
 
2013-07-15 11:58:57 AM  

cefm: Also a worldwide mega-group strikes me as an odd spokesperson for the "little guy". If anything their "In Rainbows" stunt proves that you need name recognition first before you can make money selling your own stuff. How exactly is the "little guy" supposed to get name recognition and fan base without some form of exposure?


And in a way, them pulling out hurts the smaller bands trying to get established because while some people are ONLY seeking new music, most people stumble upon the smaller, unknown bands because they were listening to bands they already knew and the songs got in the mix.

If Spotify becomes only bands nobody has ever heard of, it dies. Which means, a way for bands like mine and countless others, also dies.  That may be his point - that they will compensate artists better if all the big artists pull out and it's compensate everyone or die, but I'm not sure it helps.
 
2013-07-15 12:08:58 PM  

ShepTR: Which is why I've been to see 20 shows of the bands I've discovered on Spotify in the last year alone.


The bands I like rarely tour near me, but I'd say I've bought nearly that many AmazonMP3 albums in the last year thanks to previewing on Spotify (I find the bands on review and anthology sites).  I want to buy the music I love, but I often need multiple listens over several days to fall in love with something.  Those bands I preview (even the ones I don't like) are getting something from me even if it's a fraction of a penny they wouldn't be getting if I had to resort to other preview options or ditch the market altogether, and of course with that second option, the chance of me buying an MP3 album goes down to nil.
 
2013-07-15 12:09:17 PM  
How does he know this?  I see no evidence.  He's not a new band, so how does he know?  He's not raking in the millions he wants so he claims the little guys aren't getting paid enough?  WTF?  STFU Thom.  Your 15 minutes is over save the people that worship you.
 
2013-07-15 12:12:00 PM  

sisterinarms: He's not raking in the millions he wants so he claims the little guys aren't getting paid enough


That's exactly it. I don't believe for a second he is standing up for the little guy. He just couched it in that so as not to seem like a greedy dick.
 
2013-07-15 12:35:38 PM  
Why is it always acceptable for Silicone Valley types to be greedy as fark, but whenever a musician (Or group of musicians) Tries to get paid greed is suddenly bad? Spotify's really no different than Clear Channel or Live Nation. Just another bunch of businesspeople looking to make a buck off the labor of musicians.
 
2013-07-15 12:43:02 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: All other new artists: "Please listen to our music. On Spotify, on Bandcamp. On YouTube. Steal the album even."


My friend, in an obsucre, but published, black-metal band: "No, I'm not popular enough to get pirated. I have to host the torrent myself."
 
2013-07-15 12:50:47 PM  
 
2013-07-15 12:56:28 PM  
Is this the thread where idiots who live in their parent's basements come in to proclaim that musicians cannot possibly need any money because they are obviously super-rich just because they are musicians someone has heard of?

Sure looks like it.
 
2013-07-15 01:13:23 PM  
The reality of today is that you can be on Spotify etc. and get 5 cents for every time your song is played, or you can be pirated and get 0 cents per million. It's not just, it just is.
 
2013-07-15 01:18:34 PM  

Skarekrough: Talentless lazy-eyed pompous fart-sniffing hack.....

But, to be fair, I farking hate Radiohead.


This. I saw a concert of theirs on TV once, and I was totally engrossed in it because of how shiatty it was. I had no idea. I withstood about 4 songs before they finally said the band's name. FSM, what a bunch of tired shiat.
 
2013-07-15 01:25:35 PM  

narkor: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists- e arn-online/


Interesting.  Have there been improvements in the model over the past 3 years?
 
2013-07-15 01:25:58 PM  
itsdan:  It seemed like an interesting idea but they ran out of funding to build the site. I'm still debating offering to work on it in exchange for a small stake.

Better get on it. Kickstarter has proved it can work. Get it out there and then sell it to Myspace.
Similar Concept
 
kab
2013-07-15 01:26:01 PM  

poot_rootbeer: The reality of today is that you can be on Spotify etc. and get 5 cents for every time your song is played, or you can be pirated and get 0 cents per million. It's not just, it just is.


You forgot a few zeros and a decimal point.
 
2013-07-15 01:43:35 PM  

Doogled: narkor: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists- e arn-online/

Interesting.  Have there been improvements in the model over the past 3 years?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/shortcuts/2013/jul/15/spotify-musici an s-money-thom-yorke
 
kab
2013-07-15 01:54:15 PM  
LewDux:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/shortcuts/2013/jul/15/spotify-musici an s-money-thom-yorke

FTA:

CDs and downloads: Depending on the dealer price and if they are recouped (ie have paid back the initial label investment), it could be anywhere between £1.02 and £1.44 for a CD album sale (and 80p in mechanical royalties for the songwriters) or between 10p and 14p for a download (8p for the songwriters).

That doesn't tell the entire picture.    If you're an indepedent artist, for example,  Bandcamp will take 10% of whatever you sell a cd or digital for (shipping is on you if its a disc)   CDBaby will take $4 of every physical sale, and again, shipping is effectively on you, since you need to keep them stocked.   Other DIY distribution avenues probably work the same.

Then again, that artist bases this all against his / her / their own initial investment in everything to get that product available to begin with.
 
2013-07-15 02:26:31 PM  
Spotify pays shiate, e.g. the Internet Royalty Rate. I only use it now for older releases to keep them in the aether. I have found them to cannibalize sales of newer releases, though.

I know a shiatton of people that really don't buy shiate anymore; they pretty much use Spotify and Pandora for their needs. It's great, but scary and annoying at times. Change is hard.

The thing is, there's no simple answer - not all artists can tour or have a type of music that lends itself to live shows/touring. Even Trent Reznor at one time has stated how he's not sure of the best way for new artists to make it happen (something to that effect), but I digress.
 
2013-07-15 02:27:56 PM  

kab: poot_rootbeer: The reality of today is that you can be on Spotify etc. and get 5 cents for every time your song is played, or you can be pirated and get 0 cents per million. It's not just, it just is.

You forgot a few zeros and a decimal point.


Lol I laughed at that too; I think he has the standard broadcast rate mixed up....
 
kab
2013-07-15 03:07:49 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: Spotify pays shiate, e.g. the Internet Royalty Rate. I only use it now for older releases to keep them in the aether. I have found them to cannibalize sales of newer releases, though.

I know a shiatton of people that really don't buy shiate anymore; they pretty much use Spotify and Pandora for their needs. It's great, but scary and annoying at times. Change is hard.

The thing is, there's no simple answer - not all artists can tour or have a type of music that lends itself to live shows/touring. Even Trent Reznor at one time has stated how he's not sure of the best way for new artists to make it happen (something to that effect), but I digress.


Ayup.    Kickstarter is a good idea for both recording and touring, but I suspect that under wide use, the vast majority of acts out there would likely be told to effectively not bother.   Music from a business perspective is in a pretty weird place right now.
 
2013-07-15 05:35:01 PM  
Fark hates Radiohead now too?

Time to find a new place to hang out.
 
2013-07-15 05:37:58 PM  
"for me In Rainbows was a statement of trust .people still value new music "

It's funny that Radiohead were fans of No Logo, without understanding what brands are about.

If Radiohead had released In Rainbows under another name with "pay what you like" and no promotion (and probably different vocals), it would have sold a few dozen copies. It was pretty farking far from "new music".
 
2013-07-15 06:35:33 PM  
Radiohead's record label has been sold so many times in the past five years Spotify probably doesn't know where to send the royalty checks. The music industry, from UMG and WMG to iTunes and Live Nation, have screwed both music lovers and musicians.

And people wonder why the industry is in such shambles these days.
 
2013-07-15 06:50:15 PM  

kab: You forgot a few zeros and a decimal point.


Yes, yes I did.  I had intended to write "5 cents per million plays", which would have made the "0 cents per million" figure that followed it more relevant.

I blame how badly Fark's rich text editor interacts with Safari on iOS.
 
2013-07-15 07:14:18 PM  
I've always hated Radiohead. I realize I am wrong in this opinion.
 
2013-07-15 08:20:52 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: The Thom Yorkes and Lars Ulrichs of the world: "Waah, Spotify won't pay us enough to get those new gold-plated shark tanks."


Can we stop bringing Metallica up in this debate? The Metallica/Napster fight was so long ago it could legally drive now, and Metallica put up their music onto spotify (which was previously not on spotify) around about 3 days after they got the rights to their masters.
 
2013-07-15 09:20:46 PM  
The music industry is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR beyond saturation point.   There are far more musicians of every genre (supply) than people who will listen to it (demand).

Everybody tells their kid to be a doctor or artist or lawyer or musician or dreams of being the President.  Guess how many people get to be president?
 
2013-07-15 10:47:11 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Fark hates Radiohead now too?

Time to find a new place to hang out.


My thoughts exactly. I missed the hater boat on this one. I LOVED Radiohead in their heyday when I was a disaffected teen, enjoyed much of their work since, though a little less each time. But even the new, more out-there stuff, is really friggin good, interesting music. It's not your cup of tea, I understand, but they are so clearly demonstrating with every album that they are the opposite of sucking at music that I find the hate just...ridiculous.
 
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