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2013-07-15 11:17:32 AM  
ginkor

Some law enforcement types were speculating on the absence of riots, and suggested that individuals and small groups would instead go on random assassination and "wildings" sprees.

How would you tell the difference between any other day, then?
 
2013-07-15 11:17:35 AM  

CliChe Guevara: The Muthaship: The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense

No, they found him not guilty because only because no one could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't. there is a big difference.

So yes, 'not guilty' pretty much -EXACTLY- like OJ.


I'm not surprised that you're wrong again.
 
2013-07-15 11:17:57 AM  

Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story


Those are mostly gang related shootings and when gangbangers shoot each other, as long as civilians aren't hurt, no one gives a solitary fark. Not even the gangbangers.
 
2013-07-15 11:17:57 AM  

This text is now purple: Some Bass Playing Guy: Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.

Are the members of a capital firing squad "innocent"?


Of murder?  Yes they are.  As is George Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-15 11:18:03 AM  

Latinwolf: Funny how people who normally say "innocent until proven guilty" are quick to keep labeling Trayvon Martin as a criminal who deserved to die when there's never been any proof he was up to no good that night.


That's an interesting strawman, but most of the Zimmerman supporters here take the position that he was innocent of the charges, as opposed to merely acquitted (which is a factual, if not legal, distinction).

In the same trial, however, there was both forensic and eyewitness testimony that Martin did commit a crime.
 
2013-07-15 11:18:13 AM  

This text is now purple: Some Bass Playing Guy: Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.

Are the members of a capital firing squad "innocent"?


To be perfectly fair, even if we are to assume that all killing is murder, then at least one of the members always is. That's a longstanding tradition among firing squads: one of the guns is loaded with blanks, and then they shuffle the guns around. One of the shooters most definitely did not fire a killing shot, and nobody knows which one.

That's done partly to soothe the consciences of the members, in the event that things later turn sour: you might have had the gun with blanks. But it also raises reasonable doubt if the event that a member of a firing squad is tried for that: again, they might have had the gun with blanks.
 
2013-07-15 11:18:14 AM  

Phil McKraken: I_C_Weener: Phil McKraken: At what point did Martin waive his right to self defense? When he allegedly started the fight with Zimmerman? Was he not correct in fearing for his life?

So, you agree that neither one should have been charged under Florida law and neither one should have faced potential financial ruin and lost future for themselves and their family due to this case?

I'm of the opinion that Zimmerman was the aggressor and Trayvon Martin very likely believed he was defending his own life. Zimmerman had the gun and took positive, direct steps that led to Martin's death.


Please describe the specific actions undertaken by Mr. Zimmerman that constituted creation of a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily injury to Mr. Martin.
 
2013-07-15 11:18:41 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story

So unless someone is outraged all the time, they can't be outraged any of the time?

By the way, I'm not sure where this "40-50 kids shot each day" is coming from... but the average I've seen is about 1 a day (32 a month). Yes, this greatly pisses me off too. If thugs are killing thugs, regardless of their ethnicity, I don't really give a flying fark. You choose the gang life, then you choose the consequences. If you're out shooting randomly and hitting kids, then yes, I'm pissed. I find it hard to believe a competent police force couldn't cut down on those shootings. If the current force isn't doing it, then fark them and start all over.


There were 70+ people shot in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend and 21 were shot this weekend in Chicago alone. Vast majority of those shootings involved a young black male shooting another young black male, but some of those involve a small child getting shot. A 5 year old was shot on July 4th in an attempted gang shooting. 40-50 is far too many AFAIK but one a day is not even close for Chicago.

*young being 25 and under
 
2013-07-15 11:18:55 AM  

lizannefel: Based on the fact that the media has ignored the case in Brunswick, Georgia where last March two teens shot 13 month old baby, Antonio Santiago, in the face during a robbery, the case in New Jersey where two brothers murdered 12 year old Autumn Pasquale and stuffed her body in a trash receptacle just to steal her BMX bike, and the case in Indiana where three men murdered 24 year old Jacqueline Gardner last May just to steal her $85 in tip money, I'd have to say that the case of a white Trayvon Martin being murdered by a black George Zimmerman would have never been sensationalised by the national media and therefore the case would be widely unknown to the American public.


In all three of your situations, the suspects were arrested and charged with murder within a week or two of the incident, if I'm correct. All three cases are progressing towards capital murder charges (in the first two cases, teens are being charged as adults).

Surely you see the difference and the cause of the initial outrage.
 
2013-07-15 11:19:04 AM  

urbangirl: You're absolutely right. I mean it's not as if Zimmerman ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist. And it's not as if he did this before Martin ever had the opportunity to act violently.

It's not as if that's what happened.


The difference between ignorance and stupidity is that ignorance can be cured.
 
2013-07-15 11:19:20 AM  
Does anyone else think the internet has killed our ability to riot?

It's made us very self-aware of our public actions that it's nearly impossible to imagine a riot without a dozen people uploading photos to instagram or videos to youtube. Then we could instantly relive and criticize those rioting moments. The strong emotions that lead to someone rioting would be kept in check by the knowledge that people would record and judge their actions.

We also have a soap box online. It may not be a very big one, but posting your views on Facebook (or Fark as so many of you already did in this thread) is as much an emotional release and cry to be heard as shouting in the street. People at least feel like they're getting they're message out there.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it would explain why rioting occurs in places where people don't have as much internet access, or don't have a good internet infrastructure.

/or maybe Americans are just too complacent for real action to back up their words
 
2013-07-15 11:20:00 AM  

lizannefel: Based on the fact that the media has ignored the case in Brunswick, Georgia where last March two teens shot 13 month old baby, Antonio Santiago, in the face during a robbery, the case in New Jersey where two brothers murdered 12 year old Autumn Pasquale and stuffed her body in a trash receptacle just to steal her BMX bike, and the case in Indiana where three men murdered 24 year old Jacqueline Gardner last May just to steal her $85 in tip money, I'd have to say that the case of a white Trayvon Martin being murdered by a black George Zimmerman would have never been sensationalised by the national media and therefore the case would be widely unknown to the American public.


In these cases are any of these people at risk not to be charged at the fullest extent of the law? That's what started the whole thing from the beginning in the Zimmerman case...
 
2013-07-15 11:20:23 AM  

Azlefty: Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight


The lesson should be learned is that jumping a guy you think you can take might unexpectedly go poorly should he be in possession of a hand-cannon.

Even Bruce Lee said he would run from a gun.
 
2013-07-15 11:20:50 AM  

Albert911emt: If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him. We all know that's what happened here, it just can't be proven. Zimmerman picked a fight, got punched, and he killed the kid.


Your hypothetical act of "punching" an individual who neither physically attacked you nor threatened to do so would constitute a crime, and would legally justify the use of force by that individual against you.
 
2013-07-15 11:21:27 AM  

Abuse Liability: QueenMamaBee: If Trayvon had not struck George in the face with his fist and then decided to mount George like a Lipizzaner horse and proceed to bash George's head into the concrete, this wouldn't have happened.


So much blame to go around...and yet, the jury found George not guilty.  Hmmmm.  I wonder why they found him not guilty by reason of self-defenese and what that actually means.  I should go look that up.  Maybe there is something about defending oneself from imminent bodily harm in there.  I think I'll do that.

Can't believe we are still trying this case.  Ugh.

I believe George would be more of a Clydesdale.

Amusing, but not nearly as much as Nancy Grace mention that George never missed an opportunity to hit 'Taco Bell'.  But we know the racists are only on one side of this argument.
/snert


Nancy Grace is an idiot and that's a stupid joke. Have you EVER seen a Mexican at Taco Bell? That's about as much "real" Mexican food as McDonald's has "real" beef.

She used to be semi-decent years ago.... has she gone off of her crazy pills? She's just.... evil.
 
2013-07-15 11:21:35 AM  

99sportster: This text is now purple: Some Bass Playing Guy: Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.

Are the members of a capital firing squad "innocent"?

Of murder?  Yes they are.  As is George Zimmerman.


Just curious, but are you also of the opinion that abortion is murder?  I was just curious as you seem to have everything worked out, and apparently the world is incredibly black and white.
 
2013-07-15 11:22:03 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story

So unless someone is outraged all the time, they can't be outraged any of the time?

By the way, I'm not sure where this "40-50 kids shot each day" is coming from... but the average I've seen is about 1 a day (32 a month). Yes, this greatly pisses me off too. If thugs are killing thugs, regardless of their ethnicity, I don't really give a flying fark. You choose the gang life, then you choose the consequences. If you're out shooting randomly and hitting kids, then yes, I'm pissed. I find it hard to believe a competent police force couldn't cut down on those shootings. If the current force isn't doing it, then fark them and start all over.


Tbh, I'm pissed either way. The 18th and Vine District in KCMO is a perfect example. Millions of dollars in taxpayer money have gone into that area to get it back on its feet. It is a historic area where KC's jazz legends played back during Kansas City's "Prohibition" era (that term is in quotes for a reason... not one arrest for an alcohol-related offense was made in KC in the entirety of Prohibition). Unfortunately, a few thugs have shot other thugs in the area, and now, no one wants to go. The end result is some very nice taxpayer-funded offices (mainly aimed at offering African-Americans opportunities and assistance in business deals) surrounded by graffiti-covered blighted buildings. No real progress has been made after tons of money has been spent.

This violence impacts us all in one way or another.
 
2013-07-15 11:22:41 AM  

Carth: I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

If Martin were Hispanic and Zimmerman black the case would never have gone to trial because there wouldn't have been mass protests and the President would talk about how the victim would look like his son if he had one.


Oh snap! Real talk.
 
2013-07-15 11:22:49 AM  
Marine1:  Is it dickish? Yeah. Should Zimmerman be acting like the cop in the story I told? No. However, punching someone is not the way to go in that situation, no matter what.

There's evidence that Martin swung first?
 
2013-07-15 11:22:55 AM  

Cletus C.: Dimensio: Latinwolf: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.

When being followed in public, "confronting" the follower is not necessarily unjustified, regardless of race. Physically striking the follower is not justified, regardless of race.

Had Mr. Martin "confronted" Mr. Zimmerman only verbally, Mr. Zimmerman would not have been justified in the use of deadly force.

Maybe he did confront him only verbally. Maybe Zimmerman pulled his gun and said the punk wasn't going to get away with it again, whatever it was he was going to get away with. Maybe Martin thought he was about to die and tried to stop the crazy man. You don't know. I don't know, either. Just a dead unarmed teen and the guy who followed him in the dark and shot him.


You're welcome to think that, but it's not based in observable reality. Jeantel was a witness on the phone that heard the beginning of the confrontation. Having pulled the gun at that point makes little to no sense based on the verbal responses she testified to hearing. Good's testimony also makes it incredibly unlikely that a gun was pulled prior to the shooting.
 
2013-07-15 11:23:10 AM  

redmid17: QueenMamaBee: Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story

So unless someone is outraged all the time, they can't be outraged any of the time?

By the way, I'm not sure where this "40-50 kids shot each day" is coming from... but the average I've seen is about 1 a day (32 a month). Yes, this greatly pisses me off too. If thugs are killing thugs, regardless of their ethnicity, I don't really give a flying fark. You choose the gang life, then you choose the consequences. If you're out shooting randomly and hitting kids, then yes, I'm pissed. I find it hard to believe a competent police force couldn't cut down on those shootings. If the current force isn't doing it, then fark them and start all over.

There were 70+ people shot in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend and 21 were shot this weekend in Chicago alone. Vast majority of those shootings involved a young black male shooting another young black male, but some of those involve a small child getting shot. A 5 year old was shot on July 4th in an attempted gang shooting. 40-50 is far too many AFAIK but one a day is not even close for Chicago.

*young being 25 and under



So are all of th murderers being set free because thewy claimed self defense? I'm trying to see your logic here.
 
2013-07-15 11:23:33 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


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How about TM not punch him and start assaulting him...you know... STOP BREAKING THE LAW!
 
2013-07-15 11:23:45 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Treyvon was committing assault and battery.


What is it with Zimmerman fanboys who've clearly followed every millisecond of this trial from start to finish with breathless excitement and still cannot spell "Trayvon"? Why is this a thing?
 
2013-07-15 11:23:49 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband

oh good, another person who doesn't understand that case.


Then why don't you enlighten us?
 
2013-07-15 11:23:50 AM  
Underwater Bystander

Does anyone else think the internet has killed our ability to riot?

Not at all. All it's done is give a visible outlet for people to talk shiat about rioting. That the people who talk the loudest don't do it isn't really surprising; it's the modern equivalent of that guy from thirty years ago who would talk the loudest shiat with his buddies and never do a thing, only now "his buddies" have morphed into "anyone with the unlucky fortune to stumble across their electron spew."

People who are serious about violence or mayhem generally just end up doing it, rather than talking about how they'd like to do it. The whole "lone wolf" thing that has certain government agencies shiatting bricks.

But overall, we have the same ability and motivation to riot as we always have. This just wasn't a very good spark.
 
2013-07-15 11:23:50 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Abuse Liability: QueenMamaBee: If Trayvon had not struck George in the face with his fist and then decided to mount George like a Lipizzaner horse and proceed to bash George's head into the concrete, this wouldn't have happened.


So much blame to go around...and yet, the jury found George not guilty.  Hmmmm.  I wonder why they found him not guilty by reason of self-defenese and what that actually means.  I should go look that up.  Maybe there is something about defending oneself from imminent bodily harm in there.  I think I'll do that.

Can't believe we are still trying this case.  Ugh.

I believe George would be more of a Clydesdale.

Amusing, but not nearly as much as Nancy Grace mention that George never missed an opportunity to hit 'Taco Bell'.  But we know the racists are only on one side of this argument.
/snert

Nancy Grace is an idiot and that's a stupid joke. Have you EVER seen a Mexican at Taco Bell? That's about as much "real" Mexican food as McDonald's has "real" beef.

She used to be semi-decent years ago.... has she gone off of her crazy pills? She's just.... evil.


I have see Hispanics at Taco Bell but that is really neither here nor there.
 
2013-07-15 11:24:07 AM  

Magorn: There sre two ways of Charging a subject in most jurisdictions: 1) by indictment form a Grand Jury 2) by the Filing of a "criminal information" by the prosecutor.

The reason you use a Grand Jury in such jurisdictions is 1) to test out questionable fact patterns/ give prosecutors politcal cover 2) to avoid a "preliminary hearing" that the defendant is entitled to if you file by criminal information.

a Preliminary hearing is essenitally a mini-trial in which the prosecution has to give a preview of all their evidence ti the judge to convince them there is probable cause to charge. The defense is entitled to be present at this hearing and cross-examine witnesses-somethng they don;t get to do with a grand Jury


Unless that stupid judge sandbags McCoy because he's trying to make a name for himself and unseat Adam Schiff!

/But, seriously, thanks for the informative reply.
 
2013-07-15 11:24:13 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: Diogenes: Was OJ "innocent" too?  You know the difference.

I think you can say he was legally innocent in this case.  I know the finding is not guilty.  But, this is a self defense case.  There's no doubt he killed Martin.  That was undisputed.  The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense.The prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense   Essentially, they said he is innocent  Not Guilty  of any crime because The prosecution could not prove  what he did was Not justified.  Said another way, no crime was proven to have been committed.


FTFY.  That is all that happened in that courtroom, and As I said I think the Jury was 100% correct in their conclusions based solely on the case presented.   I don;t for one second believe Zimmerman's account of what happened that night, but as the only other direct witness to the whole thing is dead, we're left with a lack of evidence.   What we do know is tht at best Zimmerman was obscenely reckless on that night.  Here was a man who in the words of his own defense was an incompetent wimp when it came to fighting or self defense, who nonetheless went out of his way to initate a sequence of events that lead to a physical confrontation.   He also happened to be carrying a gun.  Given his inabilityto physically defend himself, that course of action made it nearly inevitable the he'd have to use that gun based on those actions.


So basically you have no evidence, but you just "know" that Zimmerman murdered Martin.

Wow. The cognitive dissonance is strong with you.
 
2013-07-15 11:24:21 AM  

lifeboat: [oi41.tinypic.com image 850x638]


You realize your photo is of a European city, right? You can tell from the odd road split and the European road signs.
http://www.europcar.com/EBE/module/render/european-road-signs
 
2013-07-15 11:24:47 AM  

Phil McKraken: Marine1:  Is it dickish? Yeah. Should Zimmerman be acting like the cop in the story I told? No. However, punching someone is not the way to go in that situation, no matter what.

There's evidence that Martin swung first?


I was referring more to the post suggesting that a punch would be a good idea than Martin's conduct. I've yet to find any good timeline of what happened that night. Honestly, I couldn't have voted guilty on that jury even if I had wanted to.
 
2013-07-15 11:24:52 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Abuse Liability: QueenMamaBee: If Trayvon had not struck George in the face with his fist and then decided to mount George like a Lipizzaner horse and proceed to bash George's head into the concrete, this wouldn't have happened.


So much blame to go around...and yet, the jury found George not guilty.  Hmmmm.  I wonder why they found him not guilty by reason of self-defenese and what that actually means.  I should go look that up.  Maybe there is something about defending oneself from imminent bodily harm in there.  I think I'll do that.

Can't believe we are still trying this case.  Ugh.

I believe George would be more of a Clydesdale.

Amusing, but not nearly as much as Nancy Grace mention that George never missed an opportunity to hit 'Taco Bell'.  But we know the racists are only on one side of this argument.
/snert

Nancy Grace is an idiot and that's a stupid joke. Have you EVER seen a Mexican at Taco Bell? That's about as much "real" Mexican food as McDonald's has "real" beef.

She used to be semi-decent years ago.... has she gone off of her crazy pills? She's just.... evil.


Agreed on all counts there.  She probably wasn't even really being racist (though I bet to her, taco bell is pretty much as mexican as she ever sees), though I don't know why she didn't just go to the default McDonalds.  Honestly though, I think taco bell is more a young person's game, regardless of race.  I bet there are a bunch of black, white, latino, etc... 20 somethings all hitting late night taco bells.
 
2013-07-15 11:24:53 AM  

99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.


The jury never gives a verdict of innocent, they give a verdict of "not guilty".
 
2013-07-15 11:24:54 AM  
vernonFL:: I would still like to know how and why Florida has juries of only 6 people.

Dammit, do you know how hard it is to find SIX normal people in Florida without one of them turning out to be a complete whack job? Now you want to up it to TWELVE?

No, really this came about because a lot of Florida became polarized in the sixties due to it's fast growth. You would have several completely different groups going in for jury duty who had agendas that were leading to a lot of hung juries. The civil rights blacks or their liberal friends from the north would let all the blacks go. The hippies would let all the drug guys go. The Cubans would let all the Cubans go. The rural population would let the country folks go in crimes against developers. And all it took was one on a jury of twelve to void out the entire trial. So they cut it to six except for capital cases and pushed it through the legislature by claiming it would save the government money.
 
2013-07-15 11:24:59 AM  

Dimensio: Phil McKraken: I_C_Weener: Phil McKraken: At what point did Martin waive his right to self defense? When he allegedly started the fight with Zimmerman? Was he not correct in fearing for his life?

So, you agree that neither one should have been charged under Florida law and neither one should have faced potential financial ruin and lost future for themselves and their family due to this case?

I'm of the opinion that Zimmerman was the aggressor and Trayvon Martin very likely believed he was defending his own life. Zimmerman had the gun and took positive, direct steps that led to Martin's death.

Please describe the specific actions undertaken by Mr. Zimmerman that constituted creation of a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily injury to Mr. Martin.


The stalking?

Am I supposed to believe that Trayvon Martin spontaneously decided to attack Zimmerman without some reason? If Martin did initiate the aggression (and we only have the killer's word for this) it is likely he felt as though he were threatened. He should have had a gun, killed Zimmerman and live to tell his side of the "Stand Your Ground" story.
 
2013-07-15 11:25:42 AM  

ginkor: Some law enforcement types shamefully sucky bloggers were speculating on the absence of riots, and suggested that individuals and small groups would instead go on random assassination and "wildings" sprees.  In that most of the media refuses to mention even blatant racist hate crimes as such, only alternative media will publish such news.

Here are some sources if you track that sort of thing:

Thug Report

Tracking Homicides In Chicago

 
2013-07-15 11:25:48 AM  
People admonishing others for implying that Zimmerman started the altercation because the evidence doesn't indicate that probably shouldn't definitively state that Martin started the altercation.
 
2013-07-15 11:26:28 AM  

Phil McKraken: Marine1:  Is it dickish? Yeah. Should Zimmerman be acting like the cop in the story I told? No. However, punching someone is not the way to go in that situation, no matter what.

There's evidence that Martin swung first?


There's evidence Martin did ALL the swinging. First, middle, and last.
 
2013-07-15 11:26:40 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: redmid17: QueenMamaBee: Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story

So unless someone is outraged all the time, they can't be outraged any of the time?

By the way, I'm not sure where this "40-50 kids shot each day" is coming from... but the average I've seen is about 1 a day (32 a month). Yes, this greatly pisses me off too. If thugs are killing thugs, regardless of their ethnicity, I don't really give a flying fark. You choose the gang life, then you choose the consequences. If you're out shooting randomly and hitting kids, then yes, I'm pissed. I find it hard to believe a competent police force couldn't cut down on those shootings. If the current force isn't doing it, then fark them and start all over.

There were 70+ people shot in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend and 21 were shot this weekend in Chicago alone. Vast majority of those shootings involved a young black male shooting another young black male, but some of those involve a small child getting shot. A 5 year old was shot on July 4th in an attempted gang shooting. 40-50 is far too many AFAIK but one a day is not even close for Chicago.

*young being 25 and under


So are all of th murderers being set free because thewy claimed self defense? I'm trying to see your logic here.


Willfully obtuse, thats your new fark handle in my favorites
 
2013-07-15 11:26:46 AM  

ph0rk: Some Bass Playing Guy: So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.

Is jeopardy attached? Isn't Zimmerman innocent in the eyes of the law?

That Zimmerman is innocent of premeditated murder seems rather plausible - However a killing obviously took place, and his finger pulled the trigger.


He was judged innocent of manslaughter as well.
 
2013-07-15 11:26:50 AM  

someonelse: omeganuepsilon: Treyvon was committing assault and battery.

What is it with Zimmerman fanboys who've clearly followed every millisecond of this trial from start to finish with breathless excitement and still cannot spell "Trayvon"? Why is this a thing?


Jeantel couldn't spell his name either. Maybe people just suck at spelling? I get emails from clients and coworkers who misspell my name in almost every email despite having it directly spelled out a mere three lines above where they start typing.
 
2013-07-15 11:27:52 AM  

Marine1: Phil McKraken: Marine1:  Is it dickish? Yeah. Should Zimmerman be acting like the cop in the story I told? No. However, punching someone is not the way to go in that situation, no matter what.

There's evidence that Martin swung first?

I was referring more to the post suggesting that a punch would be a good idea than Martin's conduct. I've yet to find any good timeline of what happened that night. Honestly, I couldn't have voted guilty on that jury even if I had wanted to.


Uh...two people go into a room; the one with a gun following the first. The unarmed person is dead and the armed person claims self defense.

It makes no sense to me. What's the gun for if you don't intend trouble?
 
2013-07-15 11:27:53 AM  

Abuse Liability: 99sportster: This text is now purple: Some Bass Playing Guy: Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.

Are the members of a capital firing squad "innocent"?

Of murder?  Yes they are.  As is George Zimmerman.

Just curious, but are you also of the opinion that abortion is murder?  I was just curious as you seem to have everything worked out, and apparently the world is incredibly black and white.


Me personally?  No, I don't believe abortion is murder.  But then, I've never fallen on the "right to life" side of that argument.  That could be due to the fact that I am not an overly religious individual.  Who knows?  But I do know the legal definition of "murder", and a capital firing squad doesn't fit that definition.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.


What evidence shows that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow Mr. Martin after the police dispatcher informed him that doing so was unnecessary? I am aware of the claim, but I have evidently overlooked the testimony or evidence that supports the claim.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:11 AM  

Marine1: I've yet to find any good timeline of what happened that night.


There isn't one. And, that is why Zimmerman is free. People who definitively state one way or the other are lying.

And, there are many in this thread that are admonishing one side of the story while also acknowledging that fact.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:26 AM  

Phil McKraken: Dimensio: Phil McKraken: I_C_Weener: Phil McKraken: At what point did Martin waive his right to self defense? When he allegedly started the fight with Zimmerman? Was he not correct in fearing for his life?

So, you agree that neither one should have been charged under Florida law and neither one should have faced potential financial ruin and lost future for themselves and their family due to this case?

I'm of the opinion that Zimmerman was the aggressor and Trayvon Martin very likely believed he was defending his own life. Zimmerman had the gun and took positive, direct steps that led to Martin's death.

Please describe the specific actions undertaken by Mr. Zimmerman that constituted creation of a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily injury to Mr. Martin.

The stalking?

Am I supposed to believe that Trayvon Martin spontaneously decided to attack Zimmerman without some reason? If Martin did initiate the aggression (and we only have the killer's word for this) it is likely he felt as though he were threatened. He should have had a gun, killed Zimmerman and live to tell his side of the "Stand Your Ground" story.


If Zimmerman had stalked Martin, Florida would have filed those charges. Stalking was mentioned at no point by the prosecution nor in any of the case paperwork. The investigators even said Zimmerman wasn't doing anything illegal by following Martin.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:30 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!


The trial's over, GZ's defence team have stopped paying you now.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:51 AM  

redmid17: QueenMamaBee: Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story

So unless someone is outraged all the time, they can't be outraged any of the time?

By the way, I'm not sure where this "40-50 kids shot each day" is coming from... but the average I've seen is about 1 a day (32 a month). Yes, this greatly pisses me off too. If thugs are killing thugs, regardless of their ethnicity, I don't really give a flying fark. You choose the gang life, then you choose the consequences. If you're out shooting randomly and hitting kids, then yes, I'm pissed. I find it hard to believe a competent police force couldn't cut down on those shootings. If the current force isn't doing it, then fark them and start all over.

There were 70+ people shot in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend and 21 were shot this weekend in Chicago alone. Vast majority of those shootings involved a young black male shooting another young black male, but some of those involve a small child getting shot. A 5 year old was shot on July 4th in an attempted gang shooting. 40-50 is far too many AFAIK but one a day is not even close for Chicago.

*young being 25 and under


I just googled "teens" and several blogs and stories I read (including an educational-based site), said 508 were shot in 16 months, which came down to 32 a month, slightly more than one a day. One innocent child is far too many. One innocent adult is too many. I've found several mentioning how many homicides in Chicago each year, but not how many get shot and survive.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:51 AM  

Latinwolf: tenpoundsofcheese: Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband

oh good, another person who doesn't understand that case.

Then why don't you enlighten us?


She was in his house, she went back out to get a gun, came back into the house, and discharged it. There was no self defense and I think she had a restraining order or other restriction at the time, don't remember exactly.

When people trout out that old news report, it's clear they're totally ignorant as there was a fark thread on it, explaining it weeks ago.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:55 AM  

justtray: Cletus C.: Dimensio: Latinwolf: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.

When being followed in public, "confronting" the follower is not necessarily unjustified, regardless of race. Physically striking the follower is not justified, regardless of race.

Had Mr. Martin "confronted" Mr. Zimmerman only verbally, Mr. Zimmerman would not have been justified in the use of deadly force.

Maybe he did confront him only verbally. Maybe Zimmerman pulled his gun and said the punk wasn't going to get away with it again, whatever it was he was going to get away with. Maybe Martin thought he was about to die and tried to stop the crazy man. You don't know. I don't know, either. Just a dead unarmed teen and the guy who followed him in the dark and shot him.

You're welcome to think that, but it's not based in observable reality. Jeantel was a witness on the phone that heard the beginning of the confrontation. Having pulled the gun at that point makes little to no sense based on the verbal responses she testified to hearing. Good's testimony also makes it incredibly unlikely that a gun was pulled prior to the shooting.


Evidence is pretty scant. Which is why a jury would have had to go on gut instinct and emotion, rather than fact, to convict. They didn't and shouldn't have. Jeantel's version stops short of the actual confrontation, so we know nothing of what happened, other than what Zimmerman has said. And that's the pity. The creep got to write his own get-out-of-jail card.
 
2013-07-15 11:29:48 AM  

Dimensio: What evidence shows that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow Mr. Martin after the police dispatcher informed him that doing so was unnecessary? I am aware of the claim, but I have evidently overlooked the testimony or evidence that supports the claim.


I'm sure a review of the location of the incident in regards to where Zimmerman was and where his car is would show that he continued to proceed.

I mean, he got out of his car and followed...then stopped.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't anywhere close to his truck 5 minutes later.
 
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