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2013-07-15 11:04:48 AM

Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?


The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.
 
2013-07-15 11:04:57 AM
Of course there were no riots or anything. I'm glad America is finally unified about something, supporting the jury's verdict 100%. In a way, Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman have brought us all together again.

Thanks, guys!
 
2013-07-15 11:05:29 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.


Is jeopardy attached? Isn't Zimmerman innocent in the eyes of the law?

That Zimmerman is innocent of premeditated murder seems rather plausible - However a killing obviously took place, and his finger pulled the trigger.
 
2013-07-15 11:05:39 AM

Popcorn Johnny: God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!


Do you have any evidence to back up those claims?

No? Then STFU you dumbass.

/thought it was a troll, till I saw who posted it
//still a troll anyways
 
2013-07-15 11:05:41 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".s

Being found not guilty of a crime, is not the same as being innocent. Never has been, despite the innocent until proven guilty phrase. It's an immutable fact that Zimmerman killed Martin. The circumstances were judged to be not a criminal offense, but he's not innocent of killing Martin.

Lots of people who actually have committed crimes have been acquitted because the prosecution couldn't make it case. That doesn't mean they didn't do what they were accused of. All that means is that there wasn't enough to make a criminal charge stick. Likewise, people who are found guilty of crimes, may have not actually done the things they got charged for. That means they are innocent.

So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.


You're right.  Innocent would imply him being cleared of a crime.  Apparently there was no crime as his self-defense argument held up in court.  Justifiable homicide would be a more appropriate description of what happened.
 
2013-07-15 11:06:24 AM

Headso: A lot of the calls are pretty specious on the reasoning... reads like a call log from an elderly woman.


Well, it fits considering he apparently fights like one....
 
2013-07-15 11:06:26 AM
All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story
 
2013-07-15 11:06:37 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.


The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.
 
2013-07-15 11:06:39 AM
all the half wits arguing about "innocent until proven guilty" probably think  "all men are created equal" and "tired huddled masses" is in the constitution.
 
2013-07-15 11:07:23 AM

Joe Blowme: If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story


Do you feel it wouldn't be a story because nothing would've happened or because Zimmerman would've been in jail/facing murder charges?
 
2013-07-15 11:07:51 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: The best course of action is to get away from the person following you, while calling 911 to report it.


I thought the pro-gun lobby would have us believe that the cops are only there to clean up the mess afterwards, and you must defend your person and your property if you wish to keep both intact.
 
2013-07-15 11:07:59 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.


Turn the fire hoses on 'em. Maybe that'll get them fired up enough to start breaking windows and looting local businesses. The media will surely get their money's worth then.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:00 AM

Carth: You mean the guy who did volunteer work in the community and spent his time tutoring low income children? That creep?
Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

You're right about one thing most people wouldn't bother calling 911 if they they saw someone suspicious. They'd rather not get involved.


Sure, it's almost like Zimmerman was a Catholic priest.

It is amusing that you are trying to spin it like the dispatcher wanted Zimmerman to stalk Martin. Funny stuff. Then, ho, ho, that you believe he stopped when she said they didn't need him to do that. Hardy, har, har.

And because he had to endure the indignity of being charged and tried, people won't want to call 911. Because doing that is exactly the same as shooting a "suspicious" teen in the heart.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:08 AM

99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".


and that's where you fail.  You are not "innocent until proven guilty"  that's a sloppy misquotation.  You are entitled to the LEGAL presumption of innocence in a court of law until your guilt has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  You are what you are and the verdict does not make an innocent man guilty or a guilty man innocent, it merely makes them treated that way by the COURT
 
2013-07-15 11:08:09 AM

Bontesla: joness0154: AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...

[i847.photobucket.com image 401x317]

That's the thing that really drives me crazy.  We have children and teenagers (mostly black) getting shot and dying on the streets of Chicago on a nightly basis, yet one unfortunate event in Florida gets everyone's panties in a bunch?

What gives?

The issue wasn't the murder as much as it was the inadequate investigation and the lack of charges brought. We know who killed Martin and nothing much was done.


Do you still really believe the investigation was inadequate?  Even after they reopened the case and found no new evidence.  I mean, I'll grant you some of the forensics was botched, but that's hardly the primary investigators fault.  For the most part, it really helped Martin's case.  They couldn't find DNA or fingerprints of his anywhere.  Almost as if he wasn't even there that night.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:21 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Dimensio: I am aware of no evidence suggesting that Mr. Martin was "casing houses" on the night of his death.

Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior. Or are you going with the ridiculous talking point that Zim called the police soley because he saw a black guy in hie neighborhood?


Mr. Zimmerman's observations do not constitute proof of such behaviour. Even logically valid suspicions may prove inaccurate.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:23 AM

dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.


I think everyone is relieved, but wait just a bit- we might not quite be out of the woods yet.  Sharpton and company are going into high gear to agitate people as much as they possibly can.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:34 AM
This just in: This case does not in any way effect you nor is it any statement at all on "society"
 
2013-07-15 11:08:39 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

 

If Trayvon had not gone to the store and walked back home, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had stayed at home after his initial  interaction with George, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had not returned to find George after initially losing contact with George, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had not struck George in the face with his fist and then decided to mount George like a Lipizzaner horse and proceed to bash George's head into the concrete, this wouldn't have happened.


So much blame to go around...and yet, the jury found George not guilty.  Hmmmm.  I wonder why they found him not guilty by reason of self-defenese and what that actually means.  I should go look that up.  Maybe there is something about defending oneself from imminent bodily harm in there.  I think I'll do that.

Can't believe we are still trying this case.  Ugh.
 
2013-07-15 11:09:26 AM
I wonder what prosecutor round 1 has to say since he refused to prosecute since there wasn't enough evidence resulting in whining which spawned a different prosecution.
 
2013-07-15 11:09:30 AM

INeedAName: Millennium: INeedAName: And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?

Probably, but as things currently stand, he doesn't mind. That's an important thing to remember: we cannot help him, and he cannot hurt us. Sending someone we can't be sure is guilty to prison helps no one.

He doesn't? So you spoke to him? Do you have a Ouija board?


No, but show me any dead person who, after the fact, verifiably objected to any circumstance surrounding his or her death. If you can do this without violating the separation of Church and State, I'll concede your point. Otherwise, I'm going with the epitaph of Lucretius: "I was not. I have been. I am not. I do not mind."
 
2013-07-15 11:10:17 AM

Carth: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.

The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.


Somebody killed the only other witness, so Zimmerman's version wins! Yah justice.
 
2013-07-15 11:10:26 AM

dittybopper: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You are also delusional if you think Martin had zero responsibility for his own death.


I don't think Martin had zero responsibility for the situation he found himself in. He could have called the cops, he could have split, he could have taken any number of other actions. No argument.

I would not deny Zimmerman the right to defend himself if he's having the shiat beaten out of him, which it seems he was. But he behaved stupidly and irresponsibly, and provocatively, and his actions led directly to the aggression from which he needed to defend himself.

I don't think he should spend his life in jail but it's amazing to me that he can behave as he did and walk away.
 
2013-07-15 11:10:58 AM

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

Last week those tweets were being posted as evidence of the coming race war and the ignorance of black poeple. Today, they were all just ITGs, huh? Smh.

Please stop conflating everyone with a similar skin tone. I never did the things you accuse me of. Your racism is lazy.


You do agree that the twees were posted last week, correct? Did you post any of them? No? Then, I obviously was not referring to you specifically. I respondedto your comment because you commeted on the tweets.

/Get out of your feelings.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:05 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".s

Being found not guilty of a crime, is not the same as being innocent. Never has been, despite the innocent until proven guilty phrase. It's an immutable fact that Zimmerman killed Martin. The circumstances were judged to be not a criminal offense, but he's not innocent of killing Martin.

Lots of people who actually have committed crimes have been acquitted because the prosecution couldn't make it case. That doesn't mean they didn't do what they were accused of. All that means is that there wasn't enough to make a criminal charge stick. Likewise, people who are found guilty of crimes, may have not actually done the things they got charged for. That means they are innocent.

So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.



How can he be "innocent of killing Martin"?   That was never in dispute!  The original poster stated "you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin".  Guess what, HE IS INNOCENT of the MURDER of Martin.  I'm not talking innocent of having taken the life of Trayvon Martin. His own defense team admitted that.  However, he is, whether you or anyone else likes it or not, innocent in the "murder of Martin".  There is a difference between killing someone and murdering someone.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:12 AM

The Muthaship: urbangirl: What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?

All of it.

But, you aren't alone.


Perhaps you can tell me by number which of my statement is factually incorrect:

1) Police tell Zimmerman to stay in his car.
2) Zimmerman gets out of his car anyway.
3) Zimmerman getting out of his car escalated the situation.
4) Martin had not been violent with Zimmerman before Zimmerman got out of his car.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:18 AM
There were some guys marching on the freeways in LA. That crap would make me more frustrated than sympathetic.

Albert911emt: If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him. We all know that's what happened here, it just can't be proven. Zimmerman picked a fight, got punched, and he killed the kid.


I remember back when I was about, eh, 13 or 14. I was walking through my parents' neighborhood where the pool is, and that pool had been having uninvited guests at the time. A police cruiser was sitting by the pool, which I was using as my "halfway" point in my walk. The officer stopped me and asked me for some ID. Being of the age before I had a driver's license, I had none. He then asked me what I was doing, where I lived, and what my parents' phone number was. I gave him the information, and he more or less told me that they'd been keeping an eye on the pool since people had been visiting it without the privilege of doing so. He then let me go. I walked back home and saw him drive past me, talking to someone on the phone in his car. As it turned out, that person was my mother, who then scolded me for eliciting a phone call from the police.

Is it dickish? Yeah. Should Zimmerman be acting like the cop in the story I told? No. However, punching someone is not the way to go in that situation, no matter what. Neither is running. People like that police officer or George Zimmerman can only go as far as you allow them to with your conduct. If I had taken a swing at that officer, I would have been OC'd as a best case scenario, or shot as the worst. Answer their questions, be respectful, do as they ask, and be on your way. It is up to you to keep the situation from escalating.

It also goes to show another thing: police and these neighborhood watch types only know what they have seen. They have seen reports of group x doing activity y in area z. They didn't know my father was a businessman in the city they are employed by who would go on to be an alderman, or that I had no record. They knew that adolescent males had been screwing around in a private pool. Was I profiled based on who I looked like instead of what I was doing? Absolutely. Did I resent the officer for doing that? Yes. Looking back on it, though, I don't resent the officer as much. I resent the guys who were screwing around in the pool, giving people like me a bad name. We are, for better or for worse, a species that associates behaviors with physical traits. As much of a pain in the ass as it is, we need to get on other people that are like us (whether they be young men, African-American, Hispanic, etc.) for dickish conduct.

Trayvon's death is insanely unfortunate, and very sad. Zimmerman should probably have been charged with something along the lines of stalking. But taking a swing at someone is never, ever a good idea, as it invites their wrath upon you.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:32 AM

Latinwolf: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.


When being followed in public, "confronting" the follower is not necessarily unjustified, regardless of race. Physically striking the follower is not justified, regardless of race.

Had Mr. Martin "confronted" Mr. Zimmerman only verbally, Mr. Zimmerman would not have been justified in the use of deadly force.
 
2013-07-15 11:12:08 AM
But I want my living room to be much more comfortable...

Haven't turned on CNN or Fox News ever. Those viewers are part of the problem imo
 
2013-07-15 11:12:10 AM

Cletus C.: Carth: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.

The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.

Somebody killed the only other witness, so Zimmerman's version wins! Yah justice.


You think it would be a better outcome if someone was put in jail for 30+ without solid evidence of wrong doing?

Ideally what do you think should happen in situations like this?
 
2013-07-15 11:12:11 AM

Cletus C.: Carth: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.

The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.

Somebody killed the only other witness, so Zimmerman's version wins! Yah justice.


Emotional appeal, yay!

/We see how well that worked out for the prosecutors.
 
2013-07-15 11:12:41 AM

urbangirl: The Muthaship: urbangirl: What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?

All of it.

But, you aren't alone.

Perhaps you can tell me by number which of my statement is factually incorrect:

1) Police tell Zimmerman to stay in his car.
2) Zimmerman gets out of his car anyway.
3) Zimmerman getting out of his car escalated the situation.
4) Martin had not been violent with Zimmerman before Zimmerman got out of his car.


1-3
 
2013-07-15 11:13:01 AM

Joe Blowme: All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story


So unless someone is outraged all the time, they can't be outraged any of the time?

By the way, I'm not sure where this "40-50 kids shot each day" is coming from... but the average I've seen is about 1 a day (32 a month). Yes, this greatly pisses me off too. If thugs are killing thugs, regardless of their ethnicity, I don't really give a flying fark. You choose the gang life, then you choose the consequences. If you're out shooting randomly and hitting kids, then yes, I'm pissed. I find it hard to believe a competent police force couldn't cut down on those shootings. If the current force isn't doing it, then fark them and start all over.
 
2013-07-15 11:13:24 AM

Bontesla: joness0154: AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...

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That's the thing that really drives me crazy.  We have children and teenagers (mostly black) getting shot and dying on the streets of Chicago on a nightly basis, yet one unfortunate event in Florida gets everyone's panties in a bunch?

What gives?

The issue wasn't the murder as much as it was the inadequate investigation and the lack of charges brought. We know who killed Martin and nothing much was done.


The investigation was so inadequate that the 2nd investigation including federal authorities and a new prosecutor found nothing new? Where they more or less lied in the affidavit of probable cause? Where the defense was denied information during the discovery phase by the state attorney's office?
 
2013-07-15 11:13:32 AM

I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


Based on the fact that the media has ignored the case in Brunswick, Georgia where last March two teens shot 13 month old baby, Antonio Santiago, in the face during a robbery, the case in New Jersey where two brothers murdered 12 year old Autumn Pasquale and stuffed her body in a trash receptacle just to steal her BMX bike, and the case in Indiana where three men murdered 24 year old Jacqueline Gardner last May just to steal her $85 in tip money, I'd have to say that the case of a white Trayvon Martin being murdered by a black George Zimmerman would have never been sensationalised by the national media and therefore the case would be widely unknown to the American public.
/Sorry if you're not making a serious statement, I see this argument a lot and it just irks me. //A victim is a victim regardless of their race and the race of their murderer. It's sad that only a few cases get such widespread attention.
 
2013-07-15 11:13:33 AM
I find it odd that pointing out something that Martin did completely absolves Zimmerman of any responsibility in the argument.

In these threads, one side is always pointing out that both sides acted stupidly, but Zimmerman ultimately took a life during a situation that began from his actions. The escalation of the situation is a combination of both at fault.

The other side constantly points out things in Martin's past or things that he SHOULD'VE done (which Zimmerman, for some reason, also could've done) as though it absolves Zimmerman of wrong doing.
 
2013-07-15 11:13:38 AM

RidersOfLohan: all the half wits arguing about "innocent until proven guilty" probably think  "all men are created equal" and "tired huddled masses" is in the constitution.


I'll split your supposition: they might think it of "all men are created equal," but I doubt most of them think it of "tired, huddled masses."
 
2013-07-15 11:14:04 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.


Are the members of a capital firing squad "innocent"?
 
2013-07-15 11:14:07 AM

urbangirl: The Muthaship: urbangirl: What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?

All of it.

But, you aren't alone.

Perhaps you can tell me by number which of my statement is factually incorrect:

1) Police tell Zimmerman to stay in his car.
2) Zimmerman gets out of his car anyway.
3) Zimmerman getting out of his car escalated the situation.
4) Martin had not been violent with Zimmerman before Zimmerman got out of his car.


You don't know any of the facts do you?  He was already out of the car by the time the dispatcher told him "we don't need you to do that".  Immediately after the dispatcher said this, Zimmerman said "OK"

/Know how we know you don't know shiat about this case?
//I like using the word 'know'
 
2013-07-15 11:14:13 AM

urbangirl: The Muthaship: urbangirl: What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?

All of it.

But, you aren't alone.

Perhaps you can tell me by number which of my statement is factually incorrect:

1) Police tell Zimmerman to stay in his car.
2) Zimmerman gets out of his car anyway.
3) Zimmerman getting out of his car escalated the situation.
4) Martin had not been violent with Zimmerman before Zimmerman got out of his car.


#1: The dispatcher is on record saying they don't give orders on calls like the one with Zimmerman because of liability issues - they can make suggestions only.
 
2013-07-15 11:14:14 AM

urbangirl: omeganuepsilon: urbangirl: FTFY

Conveniently ignoring the truth of the situation is not fixing anything.

Violence perpetrated by a No Limit Youth is what led to his demise.  A violent path that he was on that even his friends warned him away from(the texts that were not admitted to the court talking about fighting).  Even Rachel told him to run, and she's barely self aware.

You're absolutely right.  I mean it's not as if Zimmerman ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist.  And it's not as if he did this before Martin ever had the opportunity to act violently.

It's not as if that's what happened.


Have you evidence that Mr. Zimmerman "ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist"? I have read reports that Mr. Zimmerman continued to pursue Mr. Martin following a dispatcher's advice that doing so was not necessary, but I am unaware of evidence showing that such continued pursuit actually did occur and -- to my knowledge -- the prosecution even acknowledged an inability to show such behaviour by Mr. Zimmerman.

I readily acknowledge that I may lack confirming information of which you are aware.
 
2013-07-15 11:14:31 AM

Cletus C.: Carth: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.

The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.

Somebody killed the only other witness, so Zimmerman's version wins! Yah justice.


Yes. That's how criminal justice works.
 
2013-07-15 11:14:39 AM

cwolf20: I wonder what prosecutor round 1 has to say since he refused to prosecute since there wasn't enough evidence resulting in whining which spawned a different prosecution.



"Thank goodness there were 5 white women on that jury"?
 
2013-07-15 11:14:43 AM
Some law enforcement types were speculating on the absence of riots, and suggested that individuals and small groups would instead go on random assassination and "wildings" sprees.  In that most of the media refuses to mention even blatant racist hate crimes as such, only alternative media will publish such news.

Here are some sources if you track that sort of thing:

Thug Report

Tracking Homicides In Chicago
 
2013-07-15 11:14:49 AM

Magnus: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.
 

If Trayvon had not gone to the store and walked back home, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had stayed at home after his initial  interaction with George, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had not returned to find George after initially losing contact with George, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had not struck George in the face with his fist and then decided to mount George like a Lipizzaner horse and proceed to bash George's head into the concrete, this wouldn't have happened.


So much blame to go around...and yet, the jury found George not guilty.  Hmmmm.  I wonder why they found him not guilty by reason of self-defenese and what that actually means.  I should go look that up.  Maybe there is something about defending oneself from imminent bodily harm in there.  I think I'll do that.

Can't believe we are still trying this case.  Ugh.


I believe George would be more of a Clydesdale.
 
2013-07-15 11:15:16 AM

Albert911emt: If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him. We all know that's what happened here, it just can't be proven. Zimmerman picked a fight, got punched, and he killed the kid.


And it was entirely justified.

Don't commit assault on people and you won't end up killed with just cause. And even if you do, don't then continue the assault when you've gotten the better of them to teach them a lesson.

It astounds me that people, still now, with all of the facts and evidence in the case public knowledge, still remain entirely ignorant of objective reality and continue to substitute it with their own imagination.
 
2013-07-15 11:15:33 AM

Dimensio: Latinwolf: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.

When being followed in public, "confronting" the follower is not necessarily unjustified, regardless of race. Physically striking the follower is not justified, regardless of race.

Had Mr. Martin "confronted" Mr. Zimmerman only verbally, Mr. Zimmerman would not have been justified in the use of deadly force.


Maybe he did confront him only verbally. Maybe Zimmerman pulled his gun and said the punk wasn't going to get away with it again, whatever it was he was going to get away with. Maybe Martin thought he was about to die and tried to stop the crazy man. You don't know. I don't know, either. Just a dead unarmed teen and the guy who followed him in the dark and shot him.
 
2013-07-15 11:15:34 AM
DROxINxTHExWIND

You do agree that the twees were posted last week, correct? Did you post any of them? No? Then, I obviously was not referring to you specifically. I respondedto your comment because you commeted on the tweets.

What does my assessment of tweets have to do with other people posting them as some kind of sign of a non-existent race war? There's no dichotomous dynamic for you to be syh about.
 
2013-07-15 11:16:04 AM

The Muthaship: The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense


No, they found him not guilty because only because no one could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't. there is a big difference.

So yes, 'not guilty' pretty much -EXACTLY- like OJ.
 
2013-07-15 11:16:37 AM

dittybopper: skozlaw: This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences.

Actually, given the identical circumstances, Zimmerman would have likely been acquitted in nearly every other state.  Even in states where you have a duty to retreat, it's only required if you can do it in complete safety.  When George Zimmerman used deadly force (and it appears to be the *ONLY* time he used any significant force at all), he couldn't escape.  He was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin.


That's untrue. There are many forward thinking states that require affirmative defenses be proven by the Defense.
 
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