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2013-07-15 10:31:35 AM  

dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.


THIS

and call me gulible, but I think the PSAs about potential riots AND the fact that the parents themselves were asking the public to be peaceful MIGHT have helped prevent some of the rioting.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:42 AM  

redmid17: I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

I would hope for the same verdict.

/isn't zimmerman at least partly a black hispanic since his mom is 1/8th black?


OMG racist!!!
 
2013-07-15 10:31:47 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


oh good, another person who doesn't understand that case.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:55 AM  

ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.


Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:59 AM  

neritz: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Well, Drudge is pretending they're happening.


Holy cow they are.  That's really sad.  My brother in law shouted out "go to Drudge, they get it right" when we were first hearing about the plane crash in S.F.   I just ignored him.  I tend to ignore him a lot lately.
 
2013-07-15 10:32:52 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


Seriously, Mag?  We had a big thread on that lady yesterday...the one violating a restraining order while toting a gun.

I think the 20 years she got was WAY too much, but they're NOT comparable situations.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:01 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: You have a low bar for what you consider good.


Maybe my wording was poor.  I think it could have been way worse.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:04 AM  

I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


Both their mothers would have some 'splainin to do?
 
2013-07-15 10:33:04 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News every cable news network is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


FIFY.  "Riot Porn" sells:  fires, cops in riot gear, tear gas = pulitzer gold, baby!  It's a chance for reporters without passports to act like foreign correspondents.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:09 AM  

lifeboat: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News and CNN and MSNBC and just about every other TV and print media is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Fixed that for accuracy.


This

Not a single main stream news outlet wasn't salivating over the possibility of violence over the Zimmerman verdict. Oh sure, they would have spun the violence based on their political leanings, but don't think that they weren't all hot and bothered by the chance for some good ultraviolence.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:13 AM  
All the windows in the Oakland Sears store were broken out on 1 side of the building..
 
2013-07-15 10:33:19 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.


That he was doing nothing wrong is hindsight talking. It's been established that while Zimmerman's reasons for suspecting him were thin, it is possible that they were within the bounds of reasonable suspicion. Since it was possible, that's what stands at trial.

But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.

Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.

The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Manslaughter at the absolute worst. No one, but no one, found any way to demonstrate malice aforethought. The prosecution's conduct was indeed disgraceful, but bringing up a murder charge at the beginning was part of that: there was no way it was ever going to stick.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:21 AM  
Wait, so in a universe where Martin is "white" (Jewish/Hispanic) and Zimmerman is black, Zimmerman would already be in jail?  This would mean that there is a black man with a job that is living with his wife, is volunteering in his community, is willing to call the police, legally acquired a handgun and shops at Target.  Yep.  That's crazy talk.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:22 AM  

birchman: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

Perhaps they were both guilty of a crime. Unfortunately Zimmerman's the only one alive to prosecute for his.


And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?
 
2013-07-15 10:33:43 AM  

Magorn: The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.


How would they have prosecuted successfully when Zimmerman was hiding behind one of the stupidest "right to kill" laws in the nation? The law is what it is:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

In Florida, it doesn't matter if your actions are what instigated a fight as long as they weren't violent. All that matters is that Martin was attacking Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him. The stalking and harassment are immaterial and it's not illegal to be a racist prick. And since Zimmerman killed the only other eyewitness to the start of the fight, it was his word against nobody's as to how the physical altercation actually started.

This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences. Without any other eyewitness to the actual start of the physical fight I fail to see how the prosecution was going to do win this when they're fighting against such a broad law.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:53 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: From comments in previous threads, I know a lot of Farkers are disappointed that there was no rioting. I think the unrest that came after the Rodney King verdict was in part because of the shock that the officers would walk. Nothing about the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case was shockinUh



Somebody hacked into Dro's account it seems
 
2013-07-15 10:33:57 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


Please read more details about the case. You don't help your argument using it as an example. If you are asked to leave, do so, come back with a gun and shoot randomly while your children are in the room you're going to have a bad time. 20 years is too long in my opinion but that wasn't self defense.
 
2013-07-15 10:34:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Headso: There were so many farkers looking forward to riots too, that must be very disappointing for them.

And they were all completely unaware that their rhetoric was boilerplate white nationalist speak. It was a huge coincidence.


Well, come on, their their pudgy sausage fingers double chins and melding man with the hoveround machine they are truly the superior race.
 
2013-07-15 10:34:08 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


I don't know a lot about that case, but I thought I read that she left the house, got her gun, then came back inside?  Also, the sentencing guidelines are outrageous everywhere.  She got the minimum sentence for the crime she was found guilty of.

And here is Zimmerman again, showing his white Hispanic side and his black Hispanic side.

www.hispanicfanatic.com

 
2013-07-15 10:34:13 AM  
One thing that bugged me throughout the trial

Why are there no recent pictures of Trayvon?

The media always seemed to use the picture of him as a 12 year old but he was 17 at the time of the shooting.  Did they not take any photographs of him for 5 years?
 
2013-07-15 10:34:14 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I had hoped that the news of Zimmerman's acquittal would have been the last thread we'd see on this, but some people just can't get the racism out of their heads and onto the internet fast enough.

Can't you racists just let it go? The kid's dead. You lost. It's over. Go home.


"You lost"? WTF?! This isn't a win-lose thing, pal. A CHILD IS DEAD!
 
2013-07-15 10:34:30 AM  
I_C_Weener:

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


What if Zimmerman were white?
 
2013-07-15 10:34:43 AM  

I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


5-15 years for manslaughter
 
2013-07-15 10:34:49 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The Muthaship: Dusk-You-n-Me: Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.

They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.  And that is a good thing.

Geesh, you think it is good that there are scattered riots?

No, a good thing is NO riots because people are civil.

You have a low bar for what you consider good.


There are degrees. Small and scattered incidents are much, much better than full-blown massive rioting. In that context, they could indeed be called good.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:10 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: neritz: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Well, Drudge is pretending they're happening.

Holy cow they are.  That's really sad.  My brother in law shouted out "go to Drudge, they get it right" when we were first hearing about the plane crash in S.F.   I just ignored him.  I tend to ignore him a lot lately.


Why would Drudge be better than any other source regarding a plane crash?  They have no reporters, no connections, and no expertise in aviation.  I can see going there for THE TRUTH about the libbo libtard MSM mainstream media, but why for something not related to confirmation bias?

Did they report that Obama's drones shot it down?
 
2013-07-15 10:35:24 AM  
Following?  Well that's a beating!
 
2013-07-15 10:35:26 AM  

Magorn: Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


At the end of the day we're left with two immutable facts. TM is dead and GZ killed him. Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.

The verdict was correct, based on the evidence presented and the prosecution failing to make their case. But it's pants on head stupid when people claim GZ is innocent.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:27 AM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Wait, so in a universe where Martin is "white" (Jewish/Hispanic) and Zimmerman is black, Zimmerman would already be in jail?  This would mean that there is a black man with a job that is living with his wife, is volunteering in his community, is willing to call the police, legally acquired a handgun and shops at Target.  Yep.  That's crazy talk.


And people say race didn't play a role in this incident at all?
 
2013-07-15 10:35:40 AM  

steerforth: You Zimmerfans are all appalling human beings.


I've put him on my Fantasy Gunfire team. I"m going to start him this weekend.

Zimmerfans?
 
2013-07-15 10:35:55 AM  
It all boiled down to intent, and whether Zimmerman acted appropriately before the confrontation. He didn't, but they swung for the fences and went for a murder charge instead of the half dozen things on which they could have got a guilty verdict. A manslaughter 2 or 3 charge would have been likely because standing your ground when you actively pursue with a mind towards instigating a confrontation wasn't as likely to fly. But seeking out the kid to kill him and there being a fight ending in a murder conviction was really implausible. I wasn't expecting him to be convicted, but am pretty damn sure he wanted to ruin a black kid's night.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:59 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?

It did not.


Which speaks volumes.  The grand jury process is *HEAVILY* biased towards the prosecution, and yet the process was sidestepped even though there was a sitting grand jury that could have heard the case.

The case against Zimmerman was so weak that Angela Corey didn't want to risk a no-true-bill result.
 
2013-07-15 10:36:41 AM  

Philip J. Fry: Oddly I don't see a lot of stories out of Chicago where the killer said "It was self defense!" and the police go "Self defense you say? Guess there's nothing more to do. Cut'im loose Joe."


And this is the other thing that everybody seems to have forgotten.

People were so pissed off initially because the cops completely bungled the investigation and let Zimmerman go without any serious or competent investigation. Initially everybody wanted him to have his day in court not just be turned loose because he said "b-b-b-but self defense!"

And that's happened now.
 
2013-07-15 10:36:52 AM  
What are the protesters protesting?  Or are they just showing their dissatisfaction with the result of the trial?
 
2013-07-15 10:36:59 AM  

vernonFL: I would still like to know how and why Florida has juries of only 6 people.


Carried by six or a jury of six.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:14 AM  

mafiageek1980: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

THIS

and call me gulible, but I think the PSAs about potential riots AND the fact that the parents themselves were asking the public to be peaceful MIGHT have helped prevent some of the rioting.


No no no, that was all racist insults.

The black anchor on CNN said so.

/morans

There is precedent for riots to happen, and threats made which were taken seriously.  Hell, it's theorized the whole trial happened to help prevent riots in the first place, that this whole charade was put on to help alleviate the tension.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:28 AM  

INeedAName: And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?


Probably, but as things currently stand, he doesn't mind. That's an important thing to remember: we cannot help him, and he cannot hurt us. Sending someone we can't be sure is guilty to prison helps no one.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:38 AM  

soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges


Probably.

Read one analysis that was depressing:  If anything, this will lead to legislatures amending criminal codes to give more power to prosecutors more power to win convictions (like the ability to add/change charges during the trial).  This will lead to more convictions and incarcerations falling mostly on black males.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:42 AM  

Witty_Retort: I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

5-15 years for manslaughter


What if Zimmerman were an Asian woman with a milk allergy?
 
2013-07-15 10:38:01 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: ShadowKamui: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Sharpton is giving them more than enough fodder

Al Sharpton is having a one man riot? He'd never be able to do it if it weren't for the weight loss.


Oh Snap! My new band has just become Al Sharpton's One Man Riot.

Thanks for the inspiration.
 
2013-07-15 10:38:14 AM  
Black folks know whats up... Trayvon was asking for it when he attacked.  Not a lot to be outraged about "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong."
 
2013-07-15 10:38:17 AM  
It would have been nice to see Zimmerman punished for his dickheadery but it's also nice the response to this injustice has been tempered.
 
2013-07-15 10:38:17 AM  

BunkoSquad: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Coming next: Fox News sponsors George Zimmerman to tour America's inner cities to call for increased understanding of his plight


"He has been advised by our producers to wear the sandwich board from "Die Hard with a Vengeance" to advertise the latest release in that blockbuster series."
 
2013-07-15 10:38:27 AM  

Digitalstrange: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

As delusional as you are if you think Trayvon was a sweet innocent kid who did no wrong.

Yes Zimmerman should have kept his busybody ass in the car so no one had to die but Trayvon escalated the situation to violence that gave Zimmerman the legal right to respond with lethal force.

You have bought the media idea that the prosecution bungled the job however the fact is they were trying to make Chicken Salad out of chicken shiat.

Trayvon Martin was killed, but he was not murdered.


FTFY
 
2013-07-15 10:38:53 AM  

mafiageek1980: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

THIS

and call me gulible, but I think the PSAs about potential riots AND the fact that the parents themselves were asking the public to be peaceful MIGHT have helped prevent some of the rioting.


"Can't we all just get along?"
 
2013-07-15 10:39:26 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: From comments in previous threads, I know a lot of Farkers are disappointed that there was no rioting. I think the unrest that came after the Rodney King verdict was in part because of the shock that the officers would walk. Nothing about the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case was shocking.


The riots in LA after the Rodney King verdict were due to years and years of abuse of poorer and mostly minority citizens by the system and its enforcers, corrupt and abusive cops that percieved their job as fighting a war against those very people they were charged with protecting. That verdict was just the spark. The unrest was already at a boil just under the surface.
 
2013-07-15 10:39:32 AM  

skozlaw: This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences.


Actually, given the identical circumstances, Zimmerman would have likely been acquitted in nearly every other state.  Even in states where you have a duty to retreat, it's only required if you can do it in complete safety.  When George Zimmerman used deadly force (and it appears to be the *ONLY* time he used any significant force at all), he couldn't escape.  He was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-07-15 10:39:43 AM  

Millennium: Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.


That's not even the question. You can start a fight, then simply murder the other person if you're "afraid".

Basically if you get in to a fight in Florida, shoot first.
 
2013-07-15 10:39:55 AM  
The "minorities will riot if they don't get what they want" narrative isn't new.

Police fear riots if Barack Obama loses US election

8:01PM BST 23 Oct 2008
 
2013-07-15 10:40:29 AM  

Millennium: tenpoundsofcheese: The Muthaship: Dusk-You-n-Me: Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.

They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.  And that is a good thing.

Geesh, you think it is good that there are scattered riots?

No, a good thing is NO riots because people are civil.

You have a low bar for what you consider good.

There are degrees. Small and scattered incidents are much, much better than full-blown massive rioting. In that context, they could indeed be called good.


only if you have low expectations of people.
 
2013-07-15 10:40:46 AM  

Millennium: INeedAName: And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?

Probably, but as things currently stand, he doesn't mind. That's an important thing to remember: we cannot help him, and he cannot hurt us. Sending someone we can't be sure is guilty to prison helps no one.


He doesn't? So you spoke to him? Do you have a Ouija board?
 
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