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2013-07-15 09:09:56 AM  
FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?
 
2013-07-15 09:12:14 AM  
I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.
 
2013-07-15 09:16:38 AM  

The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?


this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin
 
2013-07-15 09:20:01 AM  
Meanwhile, down the road from Sanford, FL...
 
2013-07-15 09:20:29 AM  

Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


Well, one of us is delusional....
 
2013-07-15 09:23:03 AM  

dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.


Despite the media's best efforts.
 
2013-07-15 09:23:47 AM  

Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


100% innocent in the lawful killing of the Skittles kid.
 
2013-07-15 09:24:54 AM  

Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


You are also delusional if you think Martin had zero responsibility for his own death.
 
2013-07-15 09:26:12 AM  
Best quote I've heard so far about this case:   Two idiots tried to out-idiot each other. One was successful.
 
2013-07-15 09:29:20 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

100% innocent not guilty in the lawful killing of the Skittles kid.


Was OJ "innocent" too?  You know the difference.
 
2013-07-15 09:32:02 AM  

Diogenes: Was OJ "innocent" too?  You know the difference.


I think you can say he was legally innocent in this case.  I know the finding is not guilty.  But, this is a self defense case.  There's no doubt he killed Martin.  That was undisputed.  The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense.  Essentially, they said he is innocent of any crime because what he did was justified.  Said another way, no crime was committed.
 
2013-07-15 09:35:50 AM  
I was watching a livestream of the Oakland rally last night via a protester livestream, when people started throwing things at the cops. The cops reasponded by firing rubber bullets into the crowd, at which point mass pandemonium ensued.

It was highly entertaining.
 
2013-07-15 09:39:32 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.
 
2013-07-15 09:41:26 AM  
Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?
 
2013-07-15 09:42:02 AM  

Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.


And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.
 
2013-07-15 09:42:34 AM  

Diogenes: Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?


It didn't.

Angela Corey filed directly.
 
2013-07-15 09:42:46 AM  
I would still like to know how and why Florida has juries of only 6 people.
 
2013-07-15 09:44:20 AM  

vernonFL: I would still like to know how and why Florida has juries of only 6 people.


Varies on the charges.  Not sure why.

I was on a state case with 8.  Capital fraud against the state.  Go figure.
 
2013-07-15 09:44:38 AM  

The Muthaship: Diogenes: Was OJ "innocent" too?  You know the difference.

I think you can say he was legally innocent in this case.  I know the finding is not guilty.  But, this is a self defense case.  There's no doubt he killed Martin.  That was undisputed.  The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense.

The prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense   Essentially, they said he is innocent  Not Guilty  of any crime because The prosecution could not prove  what he did was Not justified.  Said another way, no crime was proven to have been committed.


FTFY.  That is all that happened in that courtroom, and As I said I think the Jury was 100% correct in their conclusions based solely on the case presented.   I don;t for one second believe Zimmerman's account of what happened that night, but as the only other direct witness to the whole thing is dead, we're left with a lack of evidence.   What we do know is tht at best Zimmerman was obscenely reckless on that night.  Here was a man who in the words of his own defense was an incompetent wimp when it came to fighting or self defense, who nonetheless went out of his way to initate a sequence of events that lead to a physical confrontation.   He also happened to be carrying a gun.  Given his inabilityto physically defend himself, that course of action made it nearly inevitable the he'd have to use that gun based on those actions.
 
2013-07-15 09:47:02 AM  

Magorn: FTFY


Either stop making sh*t up, or at least leave me out of your ramblings.

Thanks.
 
2013-07-15 09:48:05 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.


If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!
 
2013-07-15 09:50:33 AM  
I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.
 
2013-07-15 10:01:12 AM  
C'mon people.  Let's see some of the old ultra-violence!  It's good television!  C'mon!  Guys?  Ok.  Maybe..throw a punch?  No?  Ok well let's start small.  Here.  Throw this trash can.  Maybe...can you just sneer at a cop maybe?  No?  Sigh.
 
2013-07-15 10:07:05 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Coming next: Fox News sponsors George Zimmerman to tour America's inner cities to call for increased understanding of his plight
 
2013-07-15 10:09:18 AM  

Magorn: we're left with a lack of evidence.


Actually, there was plenty of evidence.  None of it cast any doubt on to George Zimmerman's version of what happened, and it's not like he had hours to cook up some story that would fit the evidence.

Granted, we don't have HD video with crystal clear audio taken from multiple angles of the incident in question, but that doesn't mean that there is no evidence.
 
2013-07-15 10:10:03 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Probably about as devastated as MSNBC is at the verdict.
 
2013-07-15 10:10:39 AM  

dittybopper: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Probably about as devastated as MSNBC is at the verdict.


And I hasten to add that I'm happy both are disappointed.
 
2013-07-15 10:17:32 AM  

The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?


I'm not surprised.  He was a dick to that kid in Ironman 3.
 
2013-07-15 10:19:04 AM  
THIS IS NOT AN OUTRAGE!
 
2013-07-15 10:19:35 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Sharpton is giving them more than enough fodder
 
2013-07-15 10:19:40 AM  

The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....


There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.
 
2013-07-15 10:19:42 AM  
We also had some not rioting in our city.

What happened to all those farkers who were predicting (hoping for) riots all over?
 
2013-07-15 10:19:44 AM  

Diogenes: Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?


It did not.
 
2013-07-15 10:19:57 AM  

The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?


Personally, I would like Mr. Stark to remain in his own universe, where his drunk ass might still be considered an expert, and where innocent black teenagers are the ones fighting crime, rather than committing it/being subjected to it.

/Sweet Christmas.
 
2013-07-15 10:20:48 AM  
If Martin went home, locked his door and called 911 this wouldn't of happened
 
2013-07-15 10:20:51 AM  
OMFG!!! DON'T RUNNNNNN!

Why are people so NOT INSANE?!?
 
2013-07-15 10:21:07 AM  
That's because no one cares.
 
2013-07-15 10:21:16 AM  
because  merica agrees with the verdict and the race pimps and hustlers like sharpton and jackson are no longer welcome
 
2013-07-15 10:21:19 AM  
Is this like when we were in Iraq and there were huge anti-war marches/rallies taking place that the media simply didn't cover? Just wondering. . . .
 
2013-07-15 10:21:24 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.


Indeed, this.  I don't think I've ever seen such a concerted effort to stir up hate and incite violence by just about every major media outlet out there.  A very sad state of affairs.
 
2013-07-15 10:21:24 AM  
anyone else think the verdict came in at an odd time?  Late at night on a weekend?
 
2013-07-15 10:21:32 AM  

www.bet.com

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

 
2013-07-15 10:21:54 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


Magorn you summed up the difference perfectly. The jury did its job of discerning whether or not the prosecution proved its case beyond any reasonable doubt. Prosecution, obviously, did not. This verdict does not in any way mean GZ is completely free or absolved of his action that resulted in the gunshot death of the teenage boy.
 
2013-07-15 10:21:54 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


I think the terrible statutory law coupled with the terrible arguments presented by the Prosecution - Zimmerman walked.

While it's impossible to know what exactly happened - we know that Zimmerman could have easily prevented the escalation. It's pretty obvious that neither Zimmerman nor Martin left looking for a fight so the fight should have been preventable.

But I never thought this would end in riots or widespread violence.
 
2013-07-15 10:21:55 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!


I always enjoy it when we cast aspersions on people we don't know, or haven't met, and then get all uppity on the internet telling other people not to do the same thing. You may be on a different side of the argument PJ, but don't think you aren't equally as detrimental as the people you're so quick to judge.
 
2013-07-15 10:22:21 AM  
I had hoped that the news of Zimmerman's acquittal would have been the last thread we'd see on this, but some people just can't get the racism out of their heads and onto the internet fast enough.

Can't you racists just let it go? The kid's dead. You lost. It's over. Go home.
 
2013-07-15 10:22:24 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: We also had some not rioting in our city.

What happened to all those farkers who were predicting (hoping for) riots all over?


They were all arrested trying to get he PA system you're hearing today.
 
2013-07-15 10:22:25 AM  

The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?


Drones stalk and murder.
they just cut out the confront part.
And the drones are coming for you, America.
 
2013-07-15 10:22:30 AM  

I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


Zimmerman would face captial murder charges
 
2013-07-15 10:22:34 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.


They prayed as hard as they could for the riots to happen.
 
2013-07-15 10:22:42 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News and CNN and MSNBC and just about every other TV and print media is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Fixed that for accuracy.
 
2013-07-15 10:22:52 AM  
The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.
 
2013-07-15 10:23:08 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.


Yeah right wing media was really pushing hard for it.
 
2013-07-15 10:23:19 AM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-15 10:23:35 AM  
So the media is surprised that brown people didn't act like savages?
 
2013-07-15 10:24:01 AM  

I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


If Martin were Hispanic and Zimmerman black the case would never have gone to trial because there wouldn't have been mass protests and the President would talk about how the victim would look like his son if he had one.
 
2013-07-15 10:24:19 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


I bet you and your friends are devastated no one gives a shiat about trayvon aside from "liking" something on facebook
 
2013-07-15 10:25:02 AM  

soupafi: If Martin went home, locked his door and called 911 this wouldn't of happened


but I thought Florida said the correct response to being threatened was not to retreat but to "stand your ground"? Or is that only for Middle-aged white guys?
 
2013-07-15 10:25:05 AM  
Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:09 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Well, Drudge is pretending they're happening.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:10 AM  
Folks in my office were in an uproar for a solid 2 minutes this morning over the verdict. Now, nothing. Some think that the peaceful protests will turn to riots, tho. But I think enough people actually watched the trial to realize there's nothing to be butthurt about.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:14 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


It's not just Fox.  All of them want it to happen because of the ratings will be fantastic.  I just want them so there can be more assholes killing assholes.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:27 AM  
I've got good news and bad news.

Good News: George Zimmerman is no longer Florida's problem. In fact, he's your brand new next door neighbor.

Bad News: He doesn't like your pets.  And is reading up on the defenses to Cruelty to an Animal.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:29 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.


If I heard correctly, in Florida if an acquittal happens, you can't sue in civil court
 
2013-07-15 10:25:36 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night?


Totally. Letting him go to a corner store was basically like murdering him themselves.
 
2013-07-15 10:25:37 AM  

I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


I would hope for the same verdict.

/isn't zimmerman at least partly a black hispanic since his mom is 1/8th black?
 
2013-07-15 10:25:49 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Wut?
Fox News was not the one playing up the race angle from day one.
They were fair and balanced in their news coverage vs. some other networks who, no matter what was happening in the trial, were saying the prosecution did a great job.

You might want to check  if you have Fox Derangement Syndrome....but...but...but....FOX NEWS!
 
2013-07-15 10:26:08 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.


You've met them, then? I haven't. Really wanted to. But didn't get the chance. It must've been really nice to sit down with them, talk to them about the issue and get some insight into what they were thinking. And I'm glad you did that, because I certainly would never have been able to make a statement like the one you made without having some actual first hand evidence of what was going on before jumping to rash f*cking decisions toward something about which I know f*ck all.

You sir, are clown shoes.
 
2013-07-15 10:26:09 AM  
Always fun to try people based on media reporting.  Certainly none of those outlets are biased or filter information before presenting.  Only a small number of people were privy to all the court proceedings and have access to all the information that was presented and/or omitted.  But by all means don't let that stop you from continuing to emphatically voice your partially informed thoughts on the matter.
 
2013-07-15 10:26:16 AM  
That's because they timed the verdict beautifully on a Saturday night.
Most of those who would be rioting were already getting hammered.
 
2013-07-15 10:26:20 AM  
There were so many farkers looking forward to riots too, that must be very disappointing for them.
 
2013-07-15 10:26:30 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.


They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.  And that is a good thing.
 
2013-07-15 10:26:30 AM  
From comments in previous threads, I know a lot of Farkers are disappointed that there was no rioting. I think the unrest that came after the Rodney King verdict was in part because of the shock that the officers would walk. Nothing about the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case was shocking.
 
2013-07-15 10:27:12 AM  

vernonFL: I would still like to know how and why Florida has juries of only 6 people.


because only 9 showed up for jury duty and they needed 3 alternates.
 
2013-07-15 10:27:18 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home and sitting on top of Zimmerman, punching him and slamming his head into the pavement according to witnesses AND forensic evidencewhen he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


FTFY
 
2013-07-15 10:27:30 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.


That is some quality, quality trolling.
 
2013-07-15 10:27:41 AM  

soupafi: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.

If I heard correctly, in Florida if an acquittal happens, you can't sue in civil court


You can but if during the pre trial hearings it is determined to be a case of self defense the defendant is immune from prosecution and gets his legal fees covered.
 
2013-07-15 10:27:53 AM  

soupafi: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.

If I heard correctly, in Florida if an acquittal happens, you can't sue in civil court


Not only that, but apparently you can also collect lawyer's fees from someone who does try to sue you.
Heard that on the news yesterday from some legal guy.
 
2013-07-15 10:27:56 AM  

soupafi: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The real people at fault here are Trayvon's parents. Your kid is suspended from school and your reaction is to let him go out and wander around the neighborhood at night? You didn't care enough to discipline him or make sure he was at school when he was alive but now that he's dead you see a big settlement in your future. Nice.

If I heard correctly, in Florida if an acquittal happens, you can't sue in civil court


I believe they already got a check from the homeowners assoc.
 
2013-07-15 10:28:13 AM  
Meanwhile in Chicago...

i847.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-15 10:28:23 AM  
Typical lazy blacks can't even riot correctly.  They're too busy drinking their drugs and driving to the welfare store to pick up their 50 checks for their pink Cadillac.  They are the REAL racists.

Why won't the media report that I'm the victim here?
 
2013-07-15 10:29:03 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


As delusional as you are if you think Trayvon was a sweet innocent kid who did no wrong.

Yes Zimmerman should have kept his busybody ass in the car so no one had to die but Trayvon escalated the situation to violence that gave Zimmerman the legal right to respond with lethal force.

You have bought the media idea that the prosecution bungled the job however the fact is they were trying to make Chicken Salad out of chicken shiat.

Trayvon Martin was killed, but he was not murdered.
 
2013-07-15 10:29:06 AM  

The Muthaship: They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.


Indeed. But Drudge won't let that fact stop him from his ALL CAPS RACE WAR quest.
 
2013-07-15 10:29:11 AM  
I think there are more tweeters upset about the lack of riots than there are farkers.
 
2013-07-15 10:29:13 AM  

Keeve: and sitting on top of Zimmerman, punching him and slamming his head into the pavement according to witnesses AND forensic evidence


Look, just because there wasn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman doesn't make his account correct.
 
2013-07-15 10:29:21 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.


Maybe CNN could just cut out the middle man and have its staff start rioting.
 
2013-07-15 10:29:23 AM  
 
2013-07-15 10:29:27 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News MSNBC is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted spent a year fueling with constant segments about how outrageous this is.


FTFY
 
2013-07-15 10:29:35 AM  

AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...


Why doesn't Obama address THIS?
 
2013-07-15 10:29:36 AM  
This is the absolute best advice you will see on this, and it is from a BLACK man:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFi0l--NPI
 
2013-07-15 10:29:38 AM  
Black people were set to riot, but Painlessrisen gave 'em what for.

It doesn't matter anyway ... here's a fun fact: Soopermexican reports 11,106 black people have been murdered by other black people since Martin's death.
 
2013-07-15 10:30:03 AM  

ShadowKamui: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Sharpton is giving them more than enough fodder


Al Sharpton is having a one man riot? He'd never be able to do it if it weren't for the weight loss.
 
2013-07-15 10:30:18 AM  
www.theblindcard.com
 
2013-07-15 10:30:24 AM  

R.A.Danny: So the media is surprised that brown people didn't act like savages?


Pretty much, yeah.  It's almost as if the media is part of the problem here.
 
2013-07-15 10:30:25 AM  

The Muthaship: Dusk-You-n-Me: Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.

They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.  And that is a good thing.


Geesh, you think it is good that there are scattered riots?

No, a good thing is NO riots because people are civil.

You have a low bar for what you consider good.
 
2013-07-15 10:30:27 AM  

AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...

[i847.photobucket.com image 401x317]


That's the thing that really drives me crazy.  We have children and teenagers (mostly black) getting shot and dying on the streets of Chicago on a nightly basis, yet one unfortunate event in Florida gets everyone's panties in a bunch?

What gives?
 
2013-07-15 10:30:31 AM  

soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges


In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband
 
2013-07-15 10:30:32 AM  

Headso: There were so many farkers looking forward to riots too, that must be very disappointing for them.


And they were all completely unaware that their rhetoric was boilerplate white nationalist speak. It was a huge coincidence.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:13 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.


Perhaps they were both guilty of a crime. Unfortunately Zimmerman's the only one alive to prosecute for his.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:25 AM  

AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...

[i847.photobucket.com image 401x317]


Oddly I don't see a lot of stories out of Chicago where the killer said "It was self defense!" and the police go "Self defense you say?  Guess there's nothing more to do.  Cut'im loose Joe."
 
2013-07-15 10:31:35 AM  

dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.


THIS

and call me gulible, but I think the PSAs about potential riots AND the fact that the parents themselves were asking the public to be peaceful MIGHT have helped prevent some of the rioting.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:42 AM  

redmid17: I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

I would hope for the same verdict.

/isn't zimmerman at least partly a black hispanic since his mom is 1/8th black?


OMG racist!!!
 
2013-07-15 10:31:47 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


oh good, another person who doesn't understand that case.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:55 AM  

ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.


Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:59 AM  

neritz: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Well, Drudge is pretending they're happening.


Holy cow they are.  That's really sad.  My brother in law shouted out "go to Drudge, they get it right" when we were first hearing about the plane crash in S.F.   I just ignored him.  I tend to ignore him a lot lately.
 
2013-07-15 10:32:52 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


Seriously, Mag?  We had a big thread on that lady yesterday...the one violating a restraining order while toting a gun.

I think the 20 years she got was WAY too much, but they're NOT comparable situations.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:01 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: You have a low bar for what you consider good.


Maybe my wording was poor.  I think it could have been way worse.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:04 AM  

I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


Both their mothers would have some 'splainin to do?
 
2013-07-15 10:33:04 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News every cable news network is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


FIFY.  "Riot Porn" sells:  fires, cops in riot gear, tear gas = pulitzer gold, baby!  It's a chance for reporters without passports to act like foreign correspondents.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:09 AM  

lifeboat: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News and CNN and MSNBC and just about every other TV and print media is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Fixed that for accuracy.


This

Not a single main stream news outlet wasn't salivating over the possibility of violence over the Zimmerman verdict. Oh sure, they would have spun the violence based on their political leanings, but don't think that they weren't all hot and bothered by the chance for some good ultraviolence.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:13 AM  
All the windows in the Oakland Sears store were broken out on 1 side of the building..
 
2013-07-15 10:33:19 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.


That he was doing nothing wrong is hindsight talking. It's been established that while Zimmerman's reasons for suspecting him were thin, it is possible that they were within the bounds of reasonable suspicion. Since it was possible, that's what stands at trial.

But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.

Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.

The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Manslaughter at the absolute worst. No one, but no one, found any way to demonstrate malice aforethought. The prosecution's conduct was indeed disgraceful, but bringing up a murder charge at the beginning was part of that: there was no way it was ever going to stick.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:21 AM  
Wait, so in a universe where Martin is "white" (Jewish/Hispanic) and Zimmerman is black, Zimmerman would already be in jail?  This would mean that there is a black man with a job that is living with his wife, is volunteering in his community, is willing to call the police, legally acquired a handgun and shops at Target.  Yep.  That's crazy talk.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:22 AM  

birchman: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

Perhaps they were both guilty of a crime. Unfortunately Zimmerman's the only one alive to prosecute for his.


And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?
 
2013-07-15 10:33:43 AM  

Magorn: The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.


How would they have prosecuted successfully when Zimmerman was hiding behind one of the stupidest "right to kill" laws in the nation? The law is what it is:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

In Florida, it doesn't matter if your actions are what instigated a fight as long as they weren't violent. All that matters is that Martin was attacking Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him. The stalking and harassment are immaterial and it's not illegal to be a racist prick. And since Zimmerman killed the only other eyewitness to the start of the fight, it was his word against nobody's as to how the physical altercation actually started.

This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences. Without any other eyewitness to the actual start of the physical fight I fail to see how the prosecution was going to do win this when they're fighting against such a broad law.
 
2013-07-15 10:33:53 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: From comments in previous threads, I know a lot of Farkers are disappointed that there was no rioting. I think the unrest that came after the Rodney King verdict was in part because of the shock that the officers would walk. Nothing about the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case was shockinUh



Somebody hacked into Dro's account it seems
 
2013-07-15 10:33:57 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


Please read more details about the case. You don't help your argument using it as an example. If you are asked to leave, do so, come back with a gun and shoot randomly while your children are in the room you're going to have a bad time. 20 years is too long in my opinion but that wasn't self defense.
 
2013-07-15 10:34:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Headso: There were so many farkers looking forward to riots too, that must be very disappointing for them.

And they were all completely unaware that their rhetoric was boilerplate white nationalist speak. It was a huge coincidence.


Well, come on, their their pudgy sausage fingers double chins and melding man with the hoveround machine they are truly the superior race.
 
2013-07-15 10:34:08 AM  

Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband


I don't know a lot about that case, but I thought I read that she left the house, got her gun, then came back inside?  Also, the sentencing guidelines are outrageous everywhere.  She got the minimum sentence for the crime she was found guilty of.

And here is Zimmerman again, showing his white Hispanic side and his black Hispanic side.

www.hispanicfanatic.com

 
2013-07-15 10:34:13 AM  
One thing that bugged me throughout the trial

Why are there no recent pictures of Trayvon?

The media always seemed to use the picture of him as a 12 year old but he was 17 at the time of the shooting.  Did they not take any photographs of him for 5 years?
 
2013-07-15 10:34:14 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I had hoped that the news of Zimmerman's acquittal would have been the last thread we'd see on this, but some people just can't get the racism out of their heads and onto the internet fast enough.

Can't you racists just let it go? The kid's dead. You lost. It's over. Go home.


"You lost"? WTF?! This isn't a win-lose thing, pal. A CHILD IS DEAD!
 
2013-07-15 10:34:30 AM  
I_C_Weener:

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


What if Zimmerman were white?
 
2013-07-15 10:34:43 AM  

I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


5-15 years for manslaughter
 
2013-07-15 10:34:49 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The Muthaship: Dusk-You-n-Me: Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.

They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.  And that is a good thing.

Geesh, you think it is good that there are scattered riots?

No, a good thing is NO riots because people are civil.

You have a low bar for what you consider good.


There are degrees. Small and scattered incidents are much, much better than full-blown massive rioting. In that context, they could indeed be called good.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:10 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: neritz: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Well, Drudge is pretending they're happening.

Holy cow they are.  That's really sad.  My brother in law shouted out "go to Drudge, they get it right" when we were first hearing about the plane crash in S.F.   I just ignored him.  I tend to ignore him a lot lately.


Why would Drudge be better than any other source regarding a plane crash?  They have no reporters, no connections, and no expertise in aviation.  I can see going there for THE TRUTH about the libbo libtard MSM mainstream media, but why for something not related to confirmation bias?

Did they report that Obama's drones shot it down?
 
2013-07-15 10:35:24 AM  
Following?  Well that's a beating!
 
2013-07-15 10:35:26 AM  

Magorn: Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


At the end of the day we're left with two immutable facts. TM is dead and GZ killed him. Even though GZ was acquitted of all criminal charges, he's hardly innocent. He pulled the trigger and he killed someone.

The verdict was correct, based on the evidence presented and the prosecution failing to make their case. But it's pants on head stupid when people claim GZ is innocent.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:27 AM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Wait, so in a universe where Martin is "white" (Jewish/Hispanic) and Zimmerman is black, Zimmerman would already be in jail?  This would mean that there is a black man with a job that is living with his wife, is volunteering in his community, is willing to call the police, legally acquired a handgun and shops at Target.  Yep.  That's crazy talk.


And people say race didn't play a role in this incident at all?
 
2013-07-15 10:35:40 AM  

steerforth: You Zimmerfans are all appalling human beings.


I've put him on my Fantasy Gunfire team. I"m going to start him this weekend.

Zimmerfans?
 
2013-07-15 10:35:55 AM  
It all boiled down to intent, and whether Zimmerman acted appropriately before the confrontation. He didn't, but they swung for the fences and went for a murder charge instead of the half dozen things on which they could have got a guilty verdict. A manslaughter 2 or 3 charge would have been likely because standing your ground when you actively pursue with a mind towards instigating a confrontation wasn't as likely to fly. But seeking out the kid to kill him and there being a fight ending in a murder conviction was really implausible. I wasn't expecting him to be convicted, but am pretty damn sure he wanted to ruin a black kid's night.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:59 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?

It did not.


Which speaks volumes.  The grand jury process is *HEAVILY* biased towards the prosecution, and yet the process was sidestepped even though there was a sitting grand jury that could have heard the case.

The case against Zimmerman was so weak that Angela Corey didn't want to risk a no-true-bill result.
 
2013-07-15 10:36:41 AM  

Philip J. Fry: Oddly I don't see a lot of stories out of Chicago where the killer said "It was self defense!" and the police go "Self defense you say? Guess there's nothing more to do. Cut'im loose Joe."


And this is the other thing that everybody seems to have forgotten.

People were so pissed off initially because the cops completely bungled the investigation and let Zimmerman go without any serious or competent investigation. Initially everybody wanted him to have his day in court not just be turned loose because he said "b-b-b-but self defense!"

And that's happened now.
 
2013-07-15 10:36:52 AM  
What are the protesters protesting?  Or are they just showing their dissatisfaction with the result of the trial?
 
2013-07-15 10:36:59 AM  

vernonFL: I would still like to know how and why Florida has juries of only 6 people.


Carried by six or a jury of six.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:14 AM  

mafiageek1980: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

THIS

and call me gulible, but I think the PSAs about potential riots AND the fact that the parents themselves were asking the public to be peaceful MIGHT have helped prevent some of the rioting.


No no no, that was all racist insults.

The black anchor on CNN said so.

/morans

There is precedent for riots to happen, and threats made which were taken seriously.  Hell, it's theorized the whole trial happened to help prevent riots in the first place, that this whole charade was put on to help alleviate the tension.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:28 AM  

INeedAName: And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?


Probably, but as things currently stand, he doesn't mind. That's an important thing to remember: we cannot help him, and he cannot hurt us. Sending someone we can't be sure is guilty to prison helps no one.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:38 AM  

soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges


Probably.

Read one analysis that was depressing:  If anything, this will lead to legislatures amending criminal codes to give more power to prosecutors more power to win convictions (like the ability to add/change charges during the trial).  This will lead to more convictions and incarcerations falling mostly on black males.
 
2013-07-15 10:37:42 AM  

Witty_Retort: I_C_Weener: [www.bet.com image 628x353]

What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

5-15 years for manslaughter


What if Zimmerman were an Asian woman with a milk allergy?
 
2013-07-15 10:38:01 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: ShadowKamui: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Sharpton is giving them more than enough fodder

Al Sharpton is having a one man riot? He'd never be able to do it if it weren't for the weight loss.


Oh Snap! My new band has just become Al Sharpton's One Man Riot.

Thanks for the inspiration.
 
2013-07-15 10:38:14 AM  
Black folks know whats up... Trayvon was asking for it when he attacked.  Not a lot to be outraged about "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong."
 
2013-07-15 10:38:17 AM  
It would have been nice to see Zimmerman punished for his dickheadery but it's also nice the response to this injustice has been tempered.
 
2013-07-15 10:38:17 AM  

BunkoSquad: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Coming next: Fox News sponsors George Zimmerman to tour America's inner cities to call for increased understanding of his plight


"He has been advised by our producers to wear the sandwich board from "Die Hard with a Vengeance" to advertise the latest release in that blockbuster series."
 
2013-07-15 10:38:27 AM  

Digitalstrange: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

As delusional as you are if you think Trayvon was a sweet innocent kid who did no wrong.

Yes Zimmerman should have kept his busybody ass in the car so no one had to die but Trayvon escalated the situation to violence that gave Zimmerman the legal right to respond with lethal force.

You have bought the media idea that the prosecution bungled the job however the fact is they were trying to make Chicken Salad out of chicken shiat.

Trayvon Martin was killed, but he was not murdered.


FTFY
 
2013-07-15 10:38:53 AM  

mafiageek1980: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

THIS

and call me gulible, but I think the PSAs about potential riots AND the fact that the parents themselves were asking the public to be peaceful MIGHT have helped prevent some of the rioting.


"Can't we all just get along?"
 
2013-07-15 10:39:26 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: From comments in previous threads, I know a lot of Farkers are disappointed that there was no rioting. I think the unrest that came after the Rodney King verdict was in part because of the shock that the officers would walk. Nothing about the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case was shocking.


The riots in LA after the Rodney King verdict were due to years and years of abuse of poorer and mostly minority citizens by the system and its enforcers, corrupt and abusive cops that percieved their job as fighting a war against those very people they were charged with protecting. That verdict was just the spark. The unrest was already at a boil just under the surface.
 
2013-07-15 10:39:32 AM  

skozlaw: This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences.


Actually, given the identical circumstances, Zimmerman would have likely been acquitted in nearly every other state.  Even in states where you have a duty to retreat, it's only required if you can do it in complete safety.  When George Zimmerman used deadly force (and it appears to be the *ONLY* time he used any significant force at all), he couldn't escape.  He was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-07-15 10:39:43 AM  

Millennium: Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.


That's not even the question. You can start a fight, then simply murder the other person if you're "afraid".

Basically if you get in to a fight in Florida, shoot first.
 
2013-07-15 10:39:55 AM  
The "minorities will riot if they don't get what they want" narrative isn't new.

Police fear riots if Barack Obama loses US election

8:01PM BST 23 Oct 2008
 
2013-07-15 10:40:29 AM  

Millennium: tenpoundsofcheese: The Muthaship: Dusk-You-n-Me: Don't tell Drudge. He's still pretending riots happened.

They seem to have been very scattered and minor incidents.  And that is a good thing.

Geesh, you think it is good that there are scattered riots?

No, a good thing is NO riots because people are civil.

You have a low bar for what you consider good.

There are degrees. Small and scattered incidents are much, much better than full-blown massive rioting. In that context, they could indeed be called good.


only if you have low expectations of people.
 
2013-07-15 10:40:46 AM  

Millennium: INeedAName: And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?

Probably, but as things currently stand, he doesn't mind. That's an important thing to remember: we cannot help him, and he cannot hurt us. Sending someone we can't be sure is guilty to prison helps no one.


He doesn't? So you spoke to him? Do you have a Ouija board?
 
2013-07-15 10:41:07 AM  
I heard zimmerman wasn't even into guns until one day he saw pictures of some guy holding smith and wesson
 
2013-07-15 10:41:12 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


Funny how people who normally say "innocent until proven guilty" are quick to keep labeling Trayvon Martin as a criminal who deserved to die when there's never been any proof he was up to no good that night.
 
2013-07-15 10:41:24 AM  

Rapmaster2000: JusticeandIndependence: neritz: Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.

Well, Drudge is pretending they're happening.

Holy cow they are.  That's really sad.  My brother in law shouted out "go to Drudge, they get it right" when we were first hearing about the plane crash in S.F.   I just ignored him.  I tend to ignore him a lot lately.

Why would Drudge be better than any other source regarding a plane crash?  They have no reporters, no connections, and no expertise in aviation.  I can see going there for THE TRUTH about the libbo libtard MSM mainstream media, but why for something not related to confirmation bias?

Did they report that Obama's drones shot it down?


Like I said, I ignored that statement.  We were traveling in a car at the time and I got out my phone when I heard about it.  He was in the back seat.

  He is a Rush L. fanatic who talks openly about how Fox News is better than every news channel.  My wife is as liberal as they come and they have interesting "discussions" around family gatherings.   I just watch and giggle like a schoolgirl.  Surprisingly his wife is not a Fox News watcher or voter.  It's a weird family dynamic.
 
2013-07-15 10:41:57 AM  

PanicMan: R.A.Danny: So the media is surprised that brown people didn't act like savages?

Pretty much, yeah.  It's almost as if the media is part of the problem here.


No no no no no... The media always knows what is best for us and what we should think about everything.
 
2013-07-15 10:42:04 AM  

MJMaloney187: Black people were set to riot, but Painlessrisen gave 'em what for.

It doesn't matter anyway ... here's a fun fact: Soopermexican reports 11,106 black people have been murdered by other black people since Martin's death.


And in those murders, police aggressively pursued the murderer and ARRESTED HIM. The head prosecutor CHARGED THEM and took tme to built a solid case and if they were black, more than likely the jury found them guilty. Normally a fight between two people that ends in the death of one of them is an open and shut case of two savages fighting for "street cred" but when wanna be cops shoot someone after getting their ass beat, its time to start examining the case closer to find out who threw the first punch.
 
2013-07-15 10:42:22 AM  

dittybopper: I_C_Weener: Diogenes: Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?

It did not.

Which speaks volumes.  The grand jury process is *HEAVILY* biased towards the prosecution, and yet the process was sidestepped even though there was a sitting grand jury that could have heard the case.

The case against Zimmerman was so weak that Angela Corey didn't want to risk a no-true-bill result.


I watch a lot of Law & Order, so I'm practically a lawyer, but I have to ask:  if you can side-step a grand jury, then why bother with them as part of our legal process at all?  I thought an indictment from the grand jury was kind of a big deal?
 
2013-07-15 10:42:26 AM  

I_C_Weener: Magorn: soupafi: I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?

Zimmerman would face captial murder charges

In FL,  this black woman got twenty years for shooting a <i> Ceiling</i> WHILE she was being attacked by her husband

I don't know a lot about that case, but I thought I read that she left the house, got her gun, then came back inside?  Also, the sentencing guidelines are outrageous everywhere.  She got the minimum sentence for the crime she was found guilty of.

And here is Zimmerman again, showing his white Hispanic side and his black Hispanic side.

[www.hispanicfanatic.com image 228x225]


Frankly it doesn't even matter if she got the gun and came back AS LONG AS she had a right to be wherever she was. She didn't have a right to be in the home. I agree with you that 20 years is effing ridiculous, but there is a reason why the jury took 12 minutes to convict her and the judge rejected her SYG claim.
 
2013-07-15 10:42:45 AM  

Latinwolf: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Funny how people who normally say "innocent until proven guilty" are quick to keep labeling Trayvon Martin as a criminal who deserved to die when there's never been any proof he was up to no good that night.


Well that's certainly not because he's a young black male in a society which favors white people.
 
2013-07-15 10:43:18 AM  

LandOfChocolate: One thing that bugged me throughout the trial

Why are there no recent pictures of Trayvon?

The media always seemed to use the picture of him as a 12 year old but he was 17 at the time of the shooting.  Did they not take any photographs of him for 5 years?


Same reason there's hardly any pictures of Adam Lanza ... neither really existed to begin with. It's like the MSM loves pulling Maupassant's THE NECKLACE ending ... "Sorry you got all worked up, but the story we gave you was a fake."

/derp ... (might as well get out in front of it)
 
2013-07-15 10:43:28 AM  

99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.


Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.
 
2013-07-15 10:44:00 AM  

skozlaw: Philip J. Fry: Oddly I don't see a lot of stories out of Chicago where the killer said "It was self defense!" and the police go "Self defense you say? Guess there's nothing more to do. Cut'im loose Joe."

And this is the other thing that everybody seems to have forgotten.

People were so pissed off initially because the cops completely bungled the investigation and let Zimmerman go without any serious or competent investigation. Initially everybody wanted him to have his day in court not just be turned loose because he said "b-b-b-but self defense!"

And that's happened now.


And the original police investigation was shown to have been competent, as the verdict in the trial indicates:  He acted in self-defense according to a jury of his peers.
 
2013-07-15 10:44:05 AM  

LarryDan43: God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.

They prayed as hard as they could for the riots to happen.


Funny that's the impression I got from most of the Fark Zimmerman supporters.  I suspect so they could justify their "all black people are evil" mentality.
 
2013-07-15 10:44:16 AM  

r1niceboy: It all boiled down to intent, and whether Zimmerman acted appropriately before the confrontation. He didn't,

H

ow did he not act appropriately before the confrontation?
He did the same thing he did all the other times he called 911.  He observed, reported and kept track of where the person was so when the police showed up he could tell them where the person was.
 
2013-07-15 10:44:47 AM  

RidersOfLohan: I heard zimmerman wasn't even into guns until one day he saw pictures of some guy holding smith and wesson


George Zimmerman was the man behind New Coke.
 
2013-07-15 10:44:54 AM  
"The fact that there has been no sabotage at all is an ominous sign."
 
2013-07-15 10:44:55 AM  

urbangirl: FTFY


Conveniently ignoring the truth of the situation is not fixing anything.

Violence perpetrated by a No Limit Youth is what led to his demise.  A violent path that he was on that even his friends warned him away from(the texts that were not admitted to the court talking about fighting).  Even Rachel told him to run, and she's barely self aware.
 
2013-07-15 10:45:11 AM  
At what point did Martin waive his right to self defense? When he allegedly started the fight with Zimmerman? Was he not correct in fearing for his life?
 
2013-07-15 10:45:27 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: r1niceboy: It all boiled down to intent, and whether Zimmerman acted appropriately before the confrontation. He didn't,

How did he not act appropriately before the confrontation?
He did the same thing he did all the other times he called 911.  He observed, reported and kept track of where the person was so when the police showed up he could tell them where the person body was.


FTFY
 
2013-07-15 10:45:35 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon MartinGeorge Zimmerman was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  watching his neighborhood. But for Trayvon Martin

 actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did facts at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocentguilty of the murder of Martin

FTFY
 
2013-07-15 10:45:35 AM  
If I were a "told you so" type of guy, this would be the thread where I pointed out "I told you so."

Because I totally told you so.
 
2013-07-15 10:45:35 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!


I am aware of no evidence suggesting that Mr. Martin was "casing houses" on the night of his death.

To my knowledge, the claim that Mr. Martin had arrived at his father's home before departing to confront Mr. Zimmerman is, while based upon testimony by a witness for the prosecution, not fully confirmed.
 
2013-07-15 10:45:37 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin



Because when you are attacked by some guy that wants to bash your skull into the sidewalk, you need to accept it....
 
2013-07-15 10:45:39 AM  

Latinwolf: Funny how people who normally say "innocent until proven guilty" are quick to keep labeling Trayvon Martin as a criminal who deserved to die when there's never been any proof he was up to no good that night.


We do know he was up to no good when George Zimmerman pulled the trigger, and that's good enough for a finding of self-defense.
 
2013-07-15 10:46:15 AM  
Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.

All of that MMA training, working out and all of his ITG  bravado and yet he still lets the  teenager biatch slap him to the ground where all he can do is scream like a little girl with her panties in a bunch until he shoots  the  kid.

Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight
 
2013-07-15 10:46:46 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.


If the jury had the option of choosing completely innocent like MOM wanted they might have picked it. As it stands the picked the only option they could to say Zimmerman wasn't criminally liable for shooting Martin.
 
2013-07-15 10:47:05 AM  

skozlaw: Magorn: The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.

How would they have prosecuted successfully when Zimmerman was hiding behind one of the stupidest "right to kill" laws in the nation? The law is what it is:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

In Florida, it doesn't matter if your actions are what instigated a fight as long as they weren't violent. All that matters is that Martin was attacking Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him. The stalking and harassment are immaterial and it's not illegal to be a racist prick. And since Zimmerman killed the only other eyewitness to the start of the fight, it was his word against nobody's as to how the physical altercation actually started.

This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences. Without any other eyewitness to the actual start of the physical fight I fail to see how the prosecution was going to do win this when they're fighting against such a broad law.


You are correct. If Florida law required citizens who are subjected to a violent attack to endure the assault without engaging in action that may injure or kill their attacker, Mr. Martin may still be alive today. Hopefully, federal legislation will be proposed to correct the matter and protect the rights of violent attackers.
 
2013-07-15 10:47:32 AM  

Latinwolf: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Funny how people who normally say "innocent until proven guilty" are quick to keep labeling Trayvon Martin as a criminal who deserved to die when there's never been any proof he was up to no good that night.


Funny how your strawman is not based on reality.
If you need a strawman that is that lame to support your viewpoint, maybe your viewpoint is exceptionally weak.
 
2013-07-15 10:47:43 AM  

dr_blasto: DROxINxTHExWIND: From comments in previous threads, I know a lot of Farkers are disappointed that there was no rioting. I think the unrest that came after the Rodney King verdict was in part because of the shock that the officers would walk. Nothing about the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case was shocking.

The riots in LA after the Rodney King verdict were due to years and years of abuse of poorer and mostly minority citizens by the system and its enforcers, corrupt and abusive cops that percieved their job as fighting a war against those very people they were charged with protecting. That verdict was just the spark. The unrest was already at a boil just under the surface.


Yep.  Plus there was a video of Rodney King.  There is no video here.
 
2013-07-15 10:48:14 AM  
Someone needs to talk sense into all of the rioters. Oh wait, that'll never happen since they are being taken advantage of by the African American leaders who know the verdict is correct.
 
2013-07-15 10:48:23 AM  

Azlefty: Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.

All of that MMA training, working out and all of his ITG  bravado and yet he still lets the  teenager biatch slap him to the ground where all he can do is scream like a little girl with her panties in a bunch until he shoots  the  kid.

Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight


Pretty much. It is terrible that physically weaker people can use a gun when being over powered by an attacker. They should just take their beating then hit the gym.
 
2013-07-15 10:48:38 AM  

GORDON: Black folks know whats up... Trayvon was asking for it when he attacked.  Not a lot to be outraged about "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong."


LOL. The worst part about the internet is it gives weak people a platform to say things that they could not and would not anywhere else. Black people mut not be too bad to you since you obviously watched the Chapelle Show. I guess he's one of he good ones?
 
2013-07-15 10:48:44 AM  
This has been one of the more shameful things concocted by this administration.  If they continue to pursue it in federal court, I think it will ultimately come back to bite them in the ass.

/and Harry Reid ought to be ashamed
//but, I don't think he has the capacity
 
2013-07-15 10:49:41 AM  

Dimensio: I am aware of no evidence suggesting that Mr. Martin was "casing houses" on the night of his death.


Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior. Or are you going with the ridiculous talking point that Zim called the police soley because he saw a black guy in hie neighborhood?
 
2013-07-15 10:49:43 AM  

Phil McKraken: At what point did Martin waive his right to self defense? When he allegedly started the fight with Zimmerman? Was he not correct in fearing for his life?


So, you agree that neither one should have been charged under Florida law and neither one should have faced potential financial ruin and lost future for themselves and their family due to this case?
 
2013-07-15 10:49:46 AM  

Azlefty: Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.


*TWEEEEET*

Markley's Law violation.  Fifteen yard penalty, and loss of argument.
 
2013-07-15 10:49:47 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.


And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.  Mind you the last time I pointed this out I was accused of playing the race card by one of the very same farkers who was running around saying "Black people will riot if Zimmerman is found not guilty".
 
2013-07-15 10:49:59 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.


OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".
 
2013-07-15 10:50:23 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND

The worst part about the internet is it gives weak people a platform to say things that they could not and would not anywhere else.

Like all the "Imma gon riot" people. They didn't; they won't. Just ITGs talking shiat behind a keyboard/phone in 140 characters of impotent rage.
 
2013-07-15 10:50:28 AM  

Aarontology: I'll bet Fox News is devastated they didn't get the race riots they wanted.


Well, the benefit is that the NAACP and other race based organizations will make millions in fundraising off the verdict.
 
2013-07-15 10:50:39 AM  
Submitter sounds dissappointed.
 
2013-07-15 10:51:43 AM  

Carth: Azlefty: Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.

All of that MMA training, working out and all of his ITG  bravado and yet he still lets the  teenager biatch slap him to the ground where all he can do is scream like a little girl with her panties in a bunch until he shoots  the  kid.

Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight

Pretty much. It is terrible that physically weaker people can use a gun when being over powered by an attacker. They should just take their beating then hit the gym.


Or accept they are a pussy and not confront strangers because they think they may be up to no good.
 
2013-07-15 10:51:46 AM  

The Muthaship: This has been one of the more shameful things concocted by this administration.  If they continue to pursue it in federal court, I think it will ultimately come back to bite them in the ass.

/and Harry Reid ought to be ashamed
//but, I don't think he has the capacity


Are you in the correct thread?
 
2013-07-15 10:52:18 AM  

omeganuepsilon: urbangirl: FTFY

Conveniently ignoring the truth of the situation is not fixing anything.

Violence perpetrated by a No Limit Youth is what led to his demise.  A violent path that he was on that even his friends warned him away from(the texts that were not admitted to the court talking about fighting).  Even Rachel told him to run, and she's barely self aware.


You're absolutely right.  I mean it's not as if Zimmerman ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist.  And it's not as if he did this before Martin ever had the opportunity to act violently.

It's not as if that's what happened.
 
2013-07-15 10:52:19 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior.


But he's always calling the cops, everything was suspicious.
 
2013-07-15 10:52:39 AM  

Diogenes: Popcorn Johnny: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

100% innocent not guilty in the lawful killing of the Skittles kid.

Was OJ "innocent" too?  You know the difference.


As innocent as Casey Anthony and Robert Blake. Seems like California and Florida are the best places to get away with murder.
 
2013-07-15 10:52:59 AM  

born_yesterday: dittybopper: I_C_Weener: Diogenes: Does anyone know if this went through a Grand Jury first?

It did not.

Which speaks volumes.  The grand jury process is *HEAVILY* biased towards the prosecution, and yet the process was sidestepped even though there was a sitting grand jury that could have heard the case.

The case against Zimmerman was so weak that Angela Corey didn't want to risk a no-true-bill result.

I watch a lot of Law & Order, so I'm practically a lawyer, but I have to ask:  if you can side-step a grand jury, then why bother with them as part of our legal process at all?  I thought an indictment from the grand jury was kind of a big deal?


There sre two ways of Charging a subject in most jurisdictions: 1) by indictment form a Grand Jury  2) by the Filing of a "criminal information" by the prosecutor.

The reason you use a Grand Jury in such jurisdictions is 1) to test out questionable fact patterns/ give prosecutors politcal cover 2) to avoid a "preliminary hearing" that the defendant is entitled to if you file by criminal information.

a Preliminary hearing is essenitally a mini-trial in which the prosecution has to give a preview of all their evidence ti the judge to convince them there is probable cause to charge.  The defense is entitled to be present at this hearing and cross-examine witnesses-somethng they don;t get to do with a grand Jury
 
2013-07-15 10:53:22 AM  

Latinwolf: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.  Mind you the last time I pointed this out I was accused of playing the race card by one of the very same farkers who was running around saying "Black people will riot if Zimmerman is found not guilty".


Still confused on the whole confront vs assault i see, maybe you can have someone explain it to you?
 
2013-07-15 10:53:32 AM  
The Muthaship: ... no crime was committed.

That isn't what a finding of "not guilty" means.  It means the jury of six people found that there was not a "reasonable doubt" that particular charged crimes were committed.  So Zimmerman won't face any criminal punishment for the particular charged crimes.

However, a finding of "not guilty" is not always correct.  Juries make mistakes.  Sometimes they rule that self-defense was a justifiable excuse for action, when it reality it may not have been.  Sometimes the jury doesn't have enough information to determine what really happened.  In this case, it appears the only information the jury really had about the events preceding the homicide is what Zimmerman himself reported to the police.  Those statement may or may not have been true, but obviously the jury felt there was enough doubt surrounding the case that prevented them from a conviction of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

We know many times that juries are wrong.  Hundreds of convicted murderers have been set free from death row after many years behind bars after DNA evidence absolved them of crimes.  There have also been many cases where people have been found not-guilty when in fact they did commit the crimes.

I don't necessarily think the jury made a mistake.  I don't know what happened that night and I didn't hear all of the evidence.  I just know that it's certainly well within the reason of possibility that the jury erred.
 
2013-07-15 10:53:33 AM  
No riots because Zimmerman is not white.

/Haven't followed the story.
 
2013-07-15 10:53:44 AM  

I_C_Weener: Phil McKraken: At what point did Martin waive his right to self defense? When he allegedly started the fight with Zimmerman? Was he not correct in fearing for his life?

So, you agree that neither one should have been charged under Florida law and neither one should have faced potential financial ruin and lost future for themselves and their family due to this case?


I'm of the opinion that Zimmerman was the aggressor and Trayvon Martin very likely believed he was defending his own life. Zimmerman had the gun and took positive, direct steps that led to Martin's death.

If Martin had a gun, he could have shot Zimmerman instead of allegedly starting a fist fight. Had he done so, he could justify the killing the same way Zimmerman did.

The law is retarded.
 
2013-07-15 10:53:57 AM  

Headso: Popcorn Johnny: Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior.

But he's always calling the cops, everything was suspicious.


A neighborhood watch volunteer calling the police?  That's just plain ridiculous!
 
2013-07-15 10:54:10 AM  

urbangirl: You're absolutely right.  I mean it's not as if Zimmerman ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist.  And it's not as if he did this before Martin ever had the opportunity to act violently.

It's not as if that's what happened.


Ignorantly sarcastic is my favorite kind of sarcastic.
 
2013-07-15 10:54:21 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I had hoped that the news of Zimmerman's acquittal would have been the last thread we'd see on this, but some people just can't get the racism out of their heads and onto the internet fast enough.

Can't you racists just let it go? The kid's dead. You lost. It's over. Go home.


Sneaky way of trying to say only the black people involved in this are racist.  Says a lot about you.
 
2013-07-15 10:54:48 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Dimensio: I am aware of no evidence suggesting that Mr. Martin was "casing houses" on the night of his death.

Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior. Or are you going with the ridiculous talking point that Zim called the police soley because he saw a black guy in hie neighborhood?


Yes. Some of us actually work with black urban youth, and the non-verbal responses I see in grown adults, every day, when a young black man walks up to them and begins a conversation is repulsive. People grab their purses or pat their pockets to check for their wallets, they step back, they close off their body language, they start to look around for some reason to leave the conversation. It's amazing.

Very few people in this country and 'actively' racist, but we live our lives with stereotypes so deeply ingrained in our subconscious, it's hard to not respond to them. Zimmerman responded to his.
 
2013-07-15 10:55:15 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: GORDON: Black folks know whats up... Trayvon was asking for it when he attacked.  Not a lot to be outraged about "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong."

LOL. The worst part about the internet is it gives weak people a platform to say things that they could not and would not anywhere else. Black people mut not be too bad to you since you obviously watched the Chapelle Show. I guess he's one of he good ones?


And every other non violent and intelligent one who's not spewing some kind of reverse racism.  See, if we judge an individual based on their actions, regardless of their skin color of them or the victims, it's not racism.  That's what you seem to have a problem with.

Treyvon was committing assault and battery.  He got shot because of it.  End of story.  Well, until the lawyers and media wanted to glorify the non-story as some race crusade and gain uninformed and prejudicial people like you to rally behind them with screams about racism that's non-existent.
 
2013-07-15 10:55:21 AM  

Cletus C.: Carth: Azlefty: Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.

All of that MMA training, working out and all of his ITG  bravado and yet he still lets the  teenager biatch slap him to the ground where all he can do is scream like a little girl with her panties in a bunch until he shoots  the  kid.

Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight

Pretty much. It is terrible that physically weaker people can use a gun when being over powered by an attacker. They should just take their beating then hit the gym.

Or accept they are a pussy and not confront strangers because they think they may be up to no good.


And if, as they claim, they were jumped and attacked? Then it is their fault for calling to report suspicious behavior right? As long as you don't violate laws you shouldn't have to deal with getting beaten up.

If a women is attacked and overpowered she can still use a gun right? It is only men who are pussies for being unable to fight?
 
2013-07-15 10:55:36 AM  

I_C_Weener: steerforth: You Zimmerfans are all appalling human beings.

I've put him on my Fantasy Gunfire team. I"m going to start him this weekend.

Zimmerfans?


Deleted? Attempted to start a flame war?
 
2013-07-15 10:55:51 AM  

Gunny Highway: What are the protesters protesting?  Or are they just showing their dissatisfaction with the result of the trial?


The protesters are upset that their own preconceived notions about what occurred on the night of Mr. Martin's death are not shared a jury who were presented with evidence, who heard testimony from witnesses and who heard arguments from a prosecuting attorney attempting to prove a criminal act.
 
2013-07-15 10:55:53 AM  
oi41.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-15 10:56:17 AM  
If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him. We all know that's what happened here, it just can't be proven. Zimmerman picked a fight, got punched, and he killed the kid.
 
2013-07-15 10:56:24 AM  

Latinwolf: AverageAmericanGuy: I had hoped that the news of Zimmerman's acquittal would have been the last thread we'd see on this, but some people just can't get the racism out of their heads and onto the internet fast enough.

Can't you racists just let it go? The kid's dead. You lost. It's over. Go home.

Sneaky way of trying to say only the black people involved in this are racist.  Says a lot about you.


Yes. It says that he is indeed an Average American.
 
2013-07-15 10:56:25 AM  
Reading this thread, its apparent that the education gap in America is definitely not all tied to race. There are some pretty ignorant folks.
 
2013-07-15 10:56:45 AM  

Phil McKraken: I'm of the opinion that Zimmerman was the aggressor and Trayvon Martin very likely believed he was defending his own life. Zimmerman had the gun and took positive, direct steps that led to Martin's death.


Do you have any evidence to back up your opinion?  

If Martin had a gun, he could have shot Zimmerman instead of allegedly starting a fist fight. Had he done so, he could justify the killing the same way Zimmerman did.

Not really, not unless Zimmerman started hitting him.  Just being followed isn't reasonable grounds for being put in fear of your life.

The law is retarded.

Actually it's eminently sensible.
 
2013-07-15 10:57:13 AM  
Viva La George,

עבודה נהדרת ג'ורג'
 
2013-07-15 10:57:14 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


Well, he is legally innocent. That's one way...
 
2013-07-15 10:57:56 AM  

Carth: Cletus C.: Carth: Azlefty: Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.

All of that MMA training, working out and all of his ITG  bravado and yet he still lets the  teenager biatch slap him to the ground where all he can do is scream like a little girl with her panties in a bunch until he shoots  the  kid.

Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight

Pretty much. It is terrible that physically weaker people can use a gun when being over powered by an attacker. They should just take their beating then hit the gym.

Or accept they are a pussy and not confront strangers because they think they may be up to no good.

And if, as they claim, they were jumped and attacked? Then it is their fault for calling to report suspicious behavior right? As long as you don't violate laws you shouldn't have to deal with getting beaten up.

If a women is attacked and overpowered she can still use a gun right? It is only men who are pussies for being unable to fight?


Neighborhood creep following a teen around in the dark with a loaded gun. Creep has no fighting skills but puts himself in a situation where there's probably going to be a fight. What could go wrong?

Not a lot of women, or men, would do the stupid shiat Zimmerman did that night. Thankfully.
 
2013-07-15 10:58:02 AM  
Cletus C.

Or accept they are a pussy and not confront strangers...

Not confronting strangers is easy. Avoiding strangers confronting you is a bit more difficult, it would seem. He didn't try terribly hard at it, but still.

urbangirl

I mean it's not as if Zimmerman ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist. And it's not as if he did this before Martin ever had the opportunity to act violently.

It's not as if that's what happened.


What's really funny is that this isn't what happened.
 
2013-07-15 10:58:05 AM  
Called it.  I knew no one would riot.  All Americans have become much too complacent for that (not to mention the inherent racism implied in AA rioting).  We just talk shiat on social media.  If we were ever to face another civil war, I would assume it would start with a facebook page that said "revolution, like if you're for it, leave a comment if you disagree."
 
2013-07-15 10:58:22 AM  
Here's another sound prediction.

"With today's social media I fully expect organized race rioting to begin in every major city to dwarf the Rodney King and the Martin Luther King riots of past decades," wrote

WTF is this shiat?
 
2013-07-15 10:58:28 AM  

Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin


Seriously?  After this many threads and the trial being broadcast live, you STILL can't get the facts of the event straight?
 
2013-07-15 10:58:48 AM  

dittybopper: Actually, given the identical circumstances, Zimmerman would have likely been acquitted in nearly every other state. Even in states where you have a duty to retreat, it's only required if you can do it in complete safety. When George Zimmerman used deadly force (and it appears to be the *ONLY* time he used any significant force at all), he couldn't escape. He was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin.


I'm not disagreeing. My point is that I have a fundamental problem with any law that says you can instigate a fight and then kill the other person as long as you use what effectively comes down to the playground taunt of "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

There has to be some reasonable balance. Zimmerman is clearly a complete and racist prick, but that's not illegal even though it seems to be what a lot of people are basing their belief about his guilt or innocence on.

It IS illegal to stalk and harass a person though, and there should be consequences for that weighed against Martin's (possible) overreaction.

Duty to retreat laws are retarded, but right to kill is just as bad. When two people engage in irresponsible or destructive actions that lead to the death of one of them, they should both be held accountable for their roles, one person shouldn't get to claim immunity for his part just because he shot last.

dittybopper: And the original police investigation was shown to have been competent, as the verdict in the trial indicates: He acted in self-defense according to a jury of his peers.


No, that's not true at all and flies directly in the face of all known applications of human logic. I could take a wild guess at a person's guilt or innocence with no evidence at all or even knowing what they are accused of. If I'm correct after the trial, that doesn't mean my method was sound.

Dimensio: [pointless and childish strawman redacted]


Did you actually have some point you wanted to make or are you just being ignorant to try and pick a fight?
 
2013-07-15 10:59:00 AM  

The Muthaship: urbangirl: You're absolutely right.  I mean it's not as if Zimmerman ignored the warnings of actual real live police officers and instead got out of his car and created a dangerous situation where one didn't actually exist.  And it's not as if he did this before Martin ever had the opportunity to act violently.

It's not as if that's what happened.

Ignorantly sarcastic is my favorite kind of sarcastic.


Please, please enlighten me.  What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?
 
2013-07-15 10:59:03 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Here's another sound prediction.

"With today's social media I fully expect organized race rioting to begin in every major city to dwarf the Rodney King and the Martin Luther King riots of past decades," wrote

WTF is this shiat?


Really should have previewed that:

"With today's social media I fully expect organized race rioting to begin in every major city to dwarf the Rodney King and the Martin Luther King riots of past decades," wrote retired cop/pundit Paul Huebl after the Rachel Jeantel testimony sparked a wave of distressed tweets from black users. "If you live in a large city be prepared to evacuate or put up a fight to win. You will need firearms, fire suppression equipment along with lots of food and water.  Police resources will be slow and outgunned everywhere. America is about to see some combat related population control like we've not seen since the Civil War. Martial Law can't be far behind complete with major efforts at gun grabbing."
 
2013-07-15 10:59:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: What if Trayvon were white?
What if Zimmerman were a black Hispanic?


Good point. Obviously in that alternate universe Zimmerman would have been arrested and brought to trial and a black person would automatically be president.

Oh, wait...
 
2013-07-15 10:59:33 AM  

Albert911emt: If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him.


And you'd have been in the wrong, both legally and morally.
 
2013-07-15 10:59:34 AM  

Magnus: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Seriously?  After this many threads and the trial being broadcast live, you STILL can't get the facts of the event straight?


I think it is that some people just don't want to get the facts straight.
 
2013-07-15 10:59:57 AM  

dittybopper: skozlaw: This is a simple case of a bunch of suburban Rambo wannabes throwing a brainless law on the books with no real regard for the potential consequences.

Actually, given the identical circumstances, Zimmerman would have likely been acquitted in nearly every other state.  Even in states where you have a duty to retreat, it's only required if you can do it in complete safety.  When George Zimmerman used deadly force (and it appears to be the *ONLY* time he used any significant force at all), he couldn't escape.  He was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin.


While you may claim that, and while physical evidence might seem to corroborate such a claim, and while a witness to the incident may have issued testimony consistent with the claim, the fevered imaginations of amateur analysts who are certain that Mr. Zimmerman exited his truck with the intention of hunting down and killing a black individual prior to confronting Mr. Martin, insulting Mr. Martin's mother and demanding that Mr. Martin call himself "Toby" before shooting Mr. Martin in the chest, then striking himself in the face several times before slamming his own head against the sidewalk should be be given equal consideration, for sake of fairness.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:08 AM  
I'm simply stunned, yes, stunned at the inability of the J4T's to accept the fact that George Zimmerman was justified in killing T.
Perhaps learning to accept the fact that you can be wrong sometimes is a sign of personal growth, and is an indication of a healthy personality.
Questioning the jury decision and postulating any number of bizzaro world hypothetical scenarios only makes you look pitiful and weak.
Stop it, or was pitiful and weak the effect you were hoping for?
I don't give a rotund rodent's rosy red rectum, trial over, win for ZAC.
I had pancakes this morning, but did put blackstrap molasses on it in honor of Traygone.
Hey, you can say what you want, but it was one hell of a digging job to get enough mole asses to cover my pancakes.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:19 AM  
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Apparently it's not just Fark.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:32 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

The worst part about the internet is it gives weak people a platform to say things that they could not and would not anywhere else.

Like all the "Imma gon riot" people. They didn't; they won't. Just ITGs talking shiat behind a keyboard/phone in 140 characters of impotent rage.


Last week those tweets were being posted as evidence of the coming race war and the ignorance of black poeple. Today, they were all just ITGs, huh? Smh.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:37 AM  

urbangirl: What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?


All of it.

But, you aren't alone.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:38 AM  
dittybopper:
If Martin had a gun, he could have shot Zimmerman instead of allegedly starting a fist fight. Had he done so, he could justify the killing the same way Zimmerman did.

Not really, not unless Zimmerman started hitting him.  Just being followed isn't reasonable grounds for being put in fear of your life.


It's as easy as shooting Zimmerman and then claiming self defense - even if it's a lie. No one disputes that Zimmerman was following Martin, a provocative act that Zimmerman should have recognized as such and let the police do their jobs.
 
2013-07-15 11:00:55 AM  
It just shows AGAIN how racist everyone is!
 
2013-07-15 11:01:01 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Millennium: Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.

That's not even the question. You can start a fight, then simply murder the other person if you're "afraid".

Basically if you get in to a fight in Florida, shoot first.


Instigating a physical altercation eliminates justification for use of deadly force during the altercation.
 
2013-07-15 11:01:05 AM  

dittybopper: Headso: Popcorn Johnny: Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior.

But he's always calling the cops, everything was suspicious.

A neighborhood watch volunteer calling the police?  That's just plain ridiculous!


A lot of the calls are pretty specious on the reasoning... reads like a call log from an elderly woman.
 
2013-07-15 11:01:15 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I think it is that some people just don't want to get the facts straight.


Public discourse about events such as these has little to do with facts.
 
2013-07-15 11:01:31 AM  

Cletus C.: Carth: Cletus C.: Carth: Azlefty: Sadly Zimmerman is the  poster child for those who actually use the  gun as a peener replacement.

All of that MMA training, working out and all of his ITG  bravado and yet he still lets the  teenager biatch slap him to the ground where all he can do is scream like a little girl with her panties in a bunch until he shoots  the  kid.

Face it Trayvon was shot and killed because Zimmerman was a puss and could not fight

Pretty much. It is terrible that physically weaker people can use a gun when being over powered by an attacker. They should just take their beating then hit the gym.

Or accept they are a pussy and not confront strangers because they think they may be up to no good.

And if, as they claim, they were jumped and attacked? Then it is their fault for calling to report suspicious behavior right? As long as you don't violate laws you shouldn't have to deal with getting beaten up.

If a women is attacked and overpowered she can still use a gun right? It is only men who are pussies for being unable to fight?

Neighborhood creep following a teen around in the dark with a loaded gun. Creep has no fighting skills but puts himself in a situation where there's probably going to be a fight. What could go wrong?

Not a lot of women, or men, would do the stupid shiat Zimmerman did that night. Thankfully.


You mean the guy who did volunteer work in the community and spent his time tutoring low income children? That creep?
Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

You're right about one thing most people wouldn't bother calling 911 if they  they saw someone suspicious. They'd rather not get involved.
 
2013-07-15 11:01:32 AM  
Handy tip: Don't suckerpunch a rambo wanna-be with a gun in a gated community. You'll be shot.
 
2013-07-15 11:01:39 AM  
What's amazing about this, and I wonder why it didn't come out at trial, but Trayvon Martin had pictures of himself in a safe deposit box, and on the back was written "if I turn up dead, Zimmerman started it".
 
2013-07-15 11:01:50 AM  

Latinwolf: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Funny how people who normally say "innocent until proven guilty" are quick to keep labeling Trayvon Martin as a criminal who deserved to die when there's never been any proof he was up to no good that night.


You are correct, as is evident by the lack of any legal prohibition against punching individuals in the face.
 
2013-07-15 11:01:52 AM  

99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".

s

Being found not guilty of a crime, is not the same as being innocent. Never has been, despite the innocent until proven guilty phrase. It's an immutable fact that Zimmerman killed Martin. The circumstances were judged to be not a criminal offense, but he's not innocent of killing Martin.

Lots of people who actually have committed crimes have been acquitted because the prosecution couldn't make it case. That doesn't mean they didn't do what they were accused of. All that means is that there wasn't enough to make a criminal charge stick. Likewise, people who are found guilty of crimes, may have not actually done the things they got charged for. That means they are innocent.

So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.
 
2013-07-15 11:02:47 AM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Millennium: Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.

That's not even the question. You can start a fight, then simply murder the other person if you're "afraid".

Basically if you get in to a fight in Florida, shoot first.

Instigating a physical altercation eliminates justification for use of deadly force during the altercation.


The survivor is always going to lie to avoid penalty.
 
2013-07-15 11:03:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I had hoped that the news of Zimmerman's acquittal would have been the last thread we'd see on this, but some people just can't get the racism out of their heads and onto the internet fast enough.

Can't you racists just let it go? The kid's dead. You lost. It's over. Go home.


AAG is just trying to keep the flames of non-violent behavior at bay. We should heed the advice.
 
2013-07-15 11:03:19 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND

Last week those tweets were being posted as evidence of the coming race war and the ignorance of black poeple. Today, they were all just ITGs, huh? Smh.

Please stop conflating everyone with a similar skin tone. I never did the things you accuse me of. Your racism is lazy.
 
2013-07-15 11:03:21 AM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Millennium: Too many levels of indirection. Who chose to fight? That's the key question -the only thing that truly matters- and we have no way to answer it.

That's not even the question. You can start a fight, then simply murder the other person if you're "afraid".

Basically if you get in to a fight in Florida, shoot first.

Instigating a physical altercation eliminates justification for use of deadly force during the altercation.


Not in Florida.
 
2013-07-15 11:04:08 AM  

Albert911emt: If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him. We all know that's what happened here, it just can't be proven. Zimmerman picked a fight, got punched, and he killed the kid.


The best course of action is to get away from the person following you, while calling 911 to report it.
 
2013-07-15 11:04:22 AM  

Magorn: What we do know is tht at best Zimmerman was obscenely reckless


He was only obscenely reckless if you believe that following a black man at night is obscenely reckless.

Do you?
 
2013-07-15 11:04:33 AM  

joness0154: AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...

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That's the thing that really drives me crazy.  We have children and teenagers (mostly black) getting shot and dying on the streets of Chicago on a nightly basis, yet one unfortunate event in Florida gets everyone's panties in a bunch?

What gives?


The issue wasn't the murder as much as it was the inadequate investigation and the lack of charges brought. We know who killed Martin and nothing much was done.
 
2013-07-15 11:04:39 AM  
I've been avoiding these threads on purpose, and now that it's over my general feeling is:

www.poojadang.com

The laws were bad, the lawyers were bad, both people involved were not good people. The evidence was not enough to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

Do I believe Zimmerman should have gotten some jail time for stalking and confronting someone? Yup.
Would I have felt the same way if Martin had "stood his ground" against Zimmerman and shot him instead... Maybe, but it didn't happen that way.
Would both have been legal under Florida law? Quite likely.

It's a new era of gun law, and there's going to be discourse and debate over the where the line should be drawn. I'm not blowing my wad at the first battle, it'll be a long war.

But that race stuff. If one of them had been white, you bet it would have been a different case, with different outcomes, and a riot of some kind more likely. That's an elephant that sat right in the middle of the courtroom. That's a battle that's ramping up right now, and we're going to hear a lot more about it over the next few years.
 
2013-07-15 11:04:48 AM  

Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?


The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.
 
2013-07-15 11:04:57 AM  
Of course there were no riots or anything. I'm glad America is finally unified about something, supporting the jury's verdict 100%. In a way, Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman have brought us all together again.

Thanks, guys!
 
2013-07-15 11:05:29 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.


Is jeopardy attached? Isn't Zimmerman innocent in the eyes of the law?

That Zimmerman is innocent of premeditated murder seems rather plausible - However a killing obviously took place, and his finger pulled the trigger.
 
2013-07-15 11:05:39 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.
If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!


Do you have any evidence to back up those claims?

No? Then STFU you dumbass.

/thought it was a troll, till I saw who posted it
//still a troll anyways
 
2013-07-15 11:05:41 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".s

Being found not guilty of a crime, is not the same as being innocent. Never has been, despite the innocent until proven guilty phrase. It's an immutable fact that Zimmerman killed Martin. The circumstances were judged to be not a criminal offense, but he's not innocent of killing Martin.

Lots of people who actually have committed crimes have been acquitted because the prosecution couldn't make it case. That doesn't mean they didn't do what they were accused of. All that means is that there wasn't enough to make a criminal charge stick. Likewise, people who are found guilty of crimes, may have not actually done the things they got charged for. That means they are innocent.

So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.


You're right.  Innocent would imply him being cleared of a crime.  Apparently there was no crime as his self-defense argument held up in court.  Justifiable homicide would be a more appropriate description of what happened.
 
2013-07-15 11:06:24 AM  

Headso: A lot of the calls are pretty specious on the reasoning... reads like a call log from an elderly woman.


Well, it fits considering he apparently fights like one....
 
2013-07-15 11:06:26 AM  
All bluster... when was last time Beyonce or any of the J4T tards came out like this for the 40 -50 kids shot every week in Chicago? AW-ing at its finest. If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story
 
2013-07-15 11:06:37 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.


The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.
 
2013-07-15 11:06:39 AM  
all the half wits arguing about "innocent until proven guilty" probably think  "all men are created equal" and "tired huddled masses" is in the constitution.
 
2013-07-15 11:07:23 AM  

Joe Blowme: If Zimmerman was black, this would not have been a story


Do you feel it wouldn't be a story because nothing would've happened or because Zimmerman would've been in jail/facing murder charges?
 
2013-07-15 11:07:51 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: The best course of action is to get away from the person following you, while calling 911 to report it.


I thought the pro-gun lobby would have us believe that the cops are only there to clean up the mess afterwards, and you must defend your person and your property if you wish to keep both intact.
 
2013-07-15 11:07:59 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.

Despite the media's best efforts.


Turn the fire hoses on 'em. Maybe that'll get them fired up enough to start breaking windows and looting local businesses. The media will surely get their money's worth then.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:00 AM  

Carth: You mean the guy who did volunteer work in the community and spent his time tutoring low income children? That creep?
Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

You're right about one thing most people wouldn't bother calling 911 if they they saw someone suspicious. They'd rather not get involved.


Sure, it's almost like Zimmerman was a Catholic priest.

It is amusing that you are trying to spin it like the dispatcher wanted Zimmerman to stalk Martin. Funny stuff. Then, ho, ho, that you believe he stopped when she said they didn't need him to do that. Hardy, har, har.

And because he had to endure the indignity of being charged and tried, people won't want to call 911. Because doing that is exactly the same as shooting a "suspicious" teen in the heart.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:08 AM  

99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".


and that's where you fail.  You are not "innocent until proven guilty"  that's a sloppy misquotation.  You are entitled to the LEGAL presumption of innocence in a court of law until your guilt has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  You are what you are and the verdict does not make an innocent man guilty or a guilty man innocent, it merely makes them treated that way by the COURT
 
2013-07-15 11:08:09 AM  

Bontesla: joness0154: AngryDragon: Meanwhile in Chicago...

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That's the thing that really drives me crazy.  We have children and teenagers (mostly black) getting shot and dying on the streets of Chicago on a nightly basis, yet one unfortunate event in Florida gets everyone's panties in a bunch?

What gives?

The issue wasn't the murder as much as it was the inadequate investigation and the lack of charges brought. We know who killed Martin and nothing much was done.


Do you still really believe the investigation was inadequate?  Even after they reopened the case and found no new evidence.  I mean, I'll grant you some of the forensics was botched, but that's hardly the primary investigators fault.  For the most part, it really helped Martin's case.  They couldn't find DNA or fingerprints of his anywhere.  Almost as if he wasn't even there that night.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:21 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Dimensio: I am aware of no evidence suggesting that Mr. Martin was "casing houses" on the night of his death.

Sure there is, Zim's phone call to report Trayvon's suspicious behavior. Or are you going with the ridiculous talking point that Zim called the police soley because he saw a black guy in hie neighborhood?


Mr. Zimmerman's observations do not constitute proof of such behaviour. Even logically valid suspicions may prove inaccurate.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:23 AM  

dittybopper: I'm very happy that my worst fears about the potential for violence have so far proven to be wrong.


I think everyone is relieved, but wait just a bit- we might not quite be out of the woods yet.  Sharpton and company are going into high gear to agitate people as much as they possibly can.
 
2013-07-15 11:08:34 AM  
This just in: This case does not in any way effect you nor is it any statement at all on "society"
 
2013-07-15 11:08:39 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

 

If Trayvon had not gone to the store and walked back home, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had stayed at home after his initial  interaction with George, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had not returned to find George after initially losing contact with George, this wouldn't have happened.

If Trayvon had not struck George in the face with his fist and then decided to mount George like a Lipizzaner horse and proceed to bash George's head into the concrete, this wouldn't have happened.


So much blame to go around...and yet, the jury found George not guilty.  Hmmmm.  I wonder why they found him not guilty by reason of self-defenese and what that actually means.  I should go look that up.  Maybe there is something about defending oneself from imminent bodily harm in there.  I think I'll do that.

Can't believe we are still trying this case.  Ugh.
 
2013-07-15 11:09:26 AM  
I wonder what prosecutor round 1 has to say since he refused to prosecute since there wasn't enough evidence resulting in whining which spawned a different prosecution.
 
2013-07-15 11:09:30 AM  

INeedAName: Millennium: INeedAName: And I'm sure Trayvon would prefer to be dead than convicted of what... maybe starting a fight? Or maybe defending himself?

Probably, but as things currently stand, he doesn't mind. That's an important thing to remember: we cannot help him, and he cannot hurt us. Sending someone we can't be sure is guilty to prison helps no one.

He doesn't? So you spoke to him? Do you have a Ouija board?


No, but show me any dead person who, after the fact, verifiably objected to any circumstance surrounding his or her death. If you can do this without violating the separation of Church and State, I'll concede your point. Otherwise, I'm going with the epitaph of Lucretius: "I was not. I have been. I am not. I do not mind."
 
2013-07-15 11:10:17 AM  

Carth: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Following a teen after being asked by the 911 dispatcher "which way is he running" then stopping when they told him they didn't need him to actually follow him?

The revisionism has begun in earnest. Hats off to you.

The state of FL tried to prove that isn't what happened and failed. In your defense they didn't try very hard so you might be able to.


Somebody killed the only other witness, so Zimmerman's version wins! Yah justice.
 
2013-07-15 11:10:26 AM  

dittybopper: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You are also delusional if you think Martin had zero responsibility for his own death.


I don't think Martin had zero responsibility for the situation he found himself in. He could have called the cops, he could have split, he could have taken any number of other actions. No argument.

I would not deny Zimmerman the right to defend himself if he's having the shiat beaten out of him, which it seems he was. But he behaved stupidly and irresponsibly, and provocatively, and his actions led directly to the aggression from which he needed to defend himself.

I don't think he should spend his life in jail but it's amazing to me that he can behave as he did and walk away.
 
2013-07-15 11:10:58 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

Last week those tweets were being posted as evidence of the coming race war and the ignorance of black poeple. Today, they were all just ITGs, huh? Smh.

Please stop conflating everyone with a similar skin tone. I never did the things you accuse me of. Your racism is lazy.


You do agree that the twees were posted last week, correct? Did you post any of them? No? Then, I obviously was not referring to you specifically. I respondedto your comment because you commeted on the tweets.

/Get out of your feelings.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:05 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: Some Bass Playing Guy: 99sportster: ikanreed: The Muthaship: Magorn: But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Well, one of us is delusional....

There's a difference between not-guilty and innocent.

Really?  "Innocent until proven guilty".  He was not proven guilty, therefore, he IS innocent.

Come back when you understand the difference between a not guilty verdict and being innocent.

OK, so it's actually "Not guilty until proven guilty". I'm glad you cleared that up.  People have been getting it wrong for YEARS.

By the way, sport, there's no such thing as a verdict of "Innocent".  However, if you are "Innocent until proven guilty" and you are not proven guilty (ergo, you never GET TO the "until proven guilty" part), you're still at "innocent".s

Being found not guilty of a crime, is not the same as being innocent. Never has been, despite the innocent until proven guilty phrase. It's an immutable fact that Zimmerman killed Martin. The circumstances were judged to be not a criminal offense, but he's not innocent of killing Martin.

Lots of people who actually have committed crimes have been acquitted because the prosecution couldn't make it case. That doesn't mean they didn't do what they were accused of. All that means is that there wasn't enough to make a criminal charge stick. Likewise, people who are found guilty of crimes, may have not actually done the things they got charged for. That means they are innocent.

So like I said, get back to us when you actually understand that being found not guilty of a crime doesn't mean someone is innocent.



How can he be "innocent of killing Martin"?   That was never in dispute!  The original poster stated "you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin".  Guess what, HE IS INNOCENT of the MURDER of Martin.  I'm not talking innocent of having taken the life of Trayvon Martin. His own defense team admitted that.  However, he is, whether you or anyone else likes it or not, innocent in the "murder of Martin".  There is a difference between killing someone and murdering someone.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:12 AM  

The Muthaship: urbangirl: What precise part of my comment is factually incorrect?

All of it.

But, you aren't alone.


Perhaps you can tell me by number which of my statement is factually incorrect:

1) Police tell Zimmerman to stay in his car.
2) Zimmerman gets out of his car anyway.
3) Zimmerman getting out of his car escalated the situation.
4) Martin had not been violent with Zimmerman before Zimmerman got out of his car.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:18 AM  
There were some guys marching on the freeways in LA. That crap would make me more frustrated than sympathetic.

Albert911emt: If some idiot were following me through my neighborhood and started harassing me, I would have punched him. We all know that's what happened here, it just can't be proven. Zimmerman picked a fight, got punched, and he killed the kid.


I remember back when I was about, eh, 13 or 14. I was walking through my parents' neighborhood where the pool is, and that pool had been having uninvited guests at the time. A police cruiser was sitting by the pool, which I was using as my "halfway" point in my walk. The officer stopped me and asked me for some ID. Being of the age before I had a driver's license, I had none. He then asked me what I was doing, where I lived, and what my parents' phone number was. I gave him the information, and he more or less told me that they'd been keeping an eye on the pool since people had been visiting it without the privilege of doing so. He then let me go. I walked back home and saw him drive past me, talking to someone on the phone in his car. As it turned out, that person was my mother, who then scolded me for eliciting a phone call from the police.

Is it dickish? Yeah. Should Zimmerman be acting like the cop in the story I told? No. However, punching someone is not the way to go in that situation, no matter what. Neither is running. People like that police officer or George Zimmerman can only go as far as you allow them to with your conduct. If I had taken a swing at that officer, I would have been OC'd as a best case scenario, or shot as the worst. Answer their questions, be respectful, do as they ask, and be on your way. It is up to you to keep the situation from escalating.

It also goes to show another thing: police and these neighborhood watch types only know what they have seen. They have seen reports of group x doing activity y in area z. They didn't know my father was a businessman in the city they are employed by who would go on to be an alderman, or that I had no record. They knew that adolescent males had been screwing around in a private pool. Was I profiled based on who I looked like instead of what I was doing? Absolutely. Did I resent the officer for doing that? Yes. Looking back on it, though, I don't resent the officer as much. I resent the guys who were screwing around in the pool, giving people like me a bad name. We are, for better or for worse, a species that associates behaviors with physical traits. As much of a pain in the ass as it is, we need to get on other people that are like us (whether they be young men, African-American, Hispanic, etc.) for dickish conduct.

Trayvon's death is insanely unfortunate, and very sad. Zimmerman should probably have been charged with something along the lines of stalking. But taking a swing at someone is never, ever a good idea, as it invites their wrath upon you.
 
2013-07-15 11:11:32 AM  

Latinwolf: God Is My Co-Pirate: Litterbox: Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA-   "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark.  What universe did that happen in?

this one.  Trayvon Martin is dead.   Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed.  But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive.  Fact are facts.  The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial.  But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence.  If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

And if it had been a black man following a white person, you'd have people saying he had a right to confront that person in regards to why he was being following, not to let it slide.


When being followed in public, "confronting" the follower is not necessarily unjustified, regardless of race. Physically striking the follower is not justified, regardless of race.

Had Mr. Martin "confronted" Mr. Zimmerman only verbally, Mr. Zimmerman would not have been justified in the use of deadly force.