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2013-07-15 10:27:57 AM  
"We have a deep bench of 2016 prospects, and it's obvious that several of them are already preparing in case they decide to pull the trigger," said Henry Barbour, a Republican National Committee member who backed Rick Perry and then Mitt Romney in 2012.

Otherwise known as scraping the bottom of the barrel.
 
2013-07-15 11:29:10 AM  
"Starting?"

Romney's body hadn't even hit the ground in November and the "Who can be a TRUE Conservative in 2016?" asspipery commenced.
 
2013-07-15 11:37:56 AM  
I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.
 
2013-07-15 11:42:11 AM  

DarwiOdrade: "We have a deep bench of 2016 prospects, and it's obvious that several of them are already preparing in case they decide to pull the trigger," said Henry Barbour, a Republican National Committee member who backed Rick Perry and then Mitt Romney in 2012.

Otherwise known as scraping the bottom of the barrel.


The bottom of the barrel is insulted to be compared to the likes of Rick Perry.
 
2013-07-15 11:42:26 AM  
"We have a deep bench of 2016 prospects, and it's obvious that several of them are already preparing in case they decide to pull the trigger," said the Cubs general manager.


"We have a deep bench of  bodyguards, and it's obvious that several of them are already preparing in case they decide to pull the trigger," said  Archduke Ferdinand.
"We have a deep bench of soldiers, and it's obvious that several of them are already preparing in case they decide to pull the trigger," said General Custer.

"We have a deep bench of sailors, and it's obvious that several of them are already preparing in case we spot some icebergs," said the captain of the Titanic.
 
2013-07-15 11:42:42 AM  
Can the Republicans go lower than this:

www.hollywoodreporter.com

I believe they are up to the challenge.
 
2013-07-15 11:46:20 AM  

SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.


I agree which makes me a little unpopular with a few of my fellow Democratic friends. My original issue with Hillary was that she would galvanize the opposition who was already well prepared to campaign against her. Now, those same reservations hold as well as the fact that she'd be in her 70s while holding one of the most physically and psychologically demanding jobs on the planet.

Our candidates for the oval office should be in their early to mid fifties. Old enough to have some experience under their belt but young enough that they're able to handle the demands of the office and not struggling with newfangled technologies like "the email".
 
2013-07-15 11:46:31 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Can the Republicans go lower than this:

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 648x365]

I believe they are up to the challenge.


Lower than CNN? Doubtful.
 
2013-07-15 11:48:12 AM  
If i had to guess?  President Christie.  Just calling it now.
 
2013-07-15 11:48:13 AM  
Maryland governor Martin O'Malley reminds me a lot of Bill Clinton in the run up to the '92 election. Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries. Given that O'Malley and Christie don't have a great deal of respect for each other would make the race interesting. I suspect that the GOP is going to double down and go with an extremist who will get demolished and finally cause the far fringe of the party to lose influence.
 
2013-07-15 11:48:27 AM  

SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.


64 is not too old. 73 yes, but 64 is fine. Warren would be OK. With Wendy Davis. (jk)
 
2013-07-15 11:49:03 AM  

bdub77: Philip Francis Queeg: Can the Republicans go lower than this:

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 648x365]

I believe they are up to the challenge.

Lower than CNN? Doubtful.


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-07-15 11:50:21 AM  

SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.


I generally agree with you, but the problem the Dems have is that they don't really have many nationally recognizable figures out there. I'll take an old Hillary over any GOP candidate every time.
 
2013-07-15 11:51:42 AM  
Thanks filter or whatever ate part of my post...

"Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries. "

should be

Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries.
 
2013-07-15 11:51:59 AM  

silo123j: 64 is not too old. 73 yes, but 64 is fine. Warren would be OK. With Wendy Davis. (jk)


Elizabeth Warren is 64 now. She'll be 67 in 2016 when she's running for office, 68 when she is sworn in, and 71 when she completes her first term. I think she's an amazing and accomplished woman but also that she will just be too damned old for the office.
 
2013-07-15 11:53:18 AM  

EngineerAU: Thanks filter or whatever ate part of my post...

"Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries. "

should be

Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries.


Well that certainly cleared things up.
 
2013-07-15 11:53:27 AM  

EngineerAU: Maryland governor Martin O'Malley reminds me a lot of Bill Clinton in the run up to the '92 election. Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries. Given that O'Malley and Christie don't have a great deal of respect for each other would make the race interesting. I suspect that the GOP is going to double down and go with an extremist who will get demolished and finally cause the far fringe of the party to lose influence.


Filter pwnage!
 
2013-07-15 11:53:52 AM  

silo123j: SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.

64 is not too old. 73 yes, but 64 is fine. Warren would be OK. With Wendy Davis. (jk)


Oh, god no.  As a liberal, I saw that ticket would bring out every mouth-breather in the country.   It's not about getting half the country to vote for you, it's about getting have the voters that vote to vote for you.   And that ticket would energize Republicans more than Democrats and Independents.
 
2013-07-15 11:54:18 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: bdub77: Philip Francis Queeg: Can the Republicans go lower than this:

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 648x365]

I believe they are up to the challenge.

Lower than CNN? Doubtful.

[images.sodahead.com image 350x262]


CNN barely qualifies as news.

Fox and Friends is just rabid propaganda.
 
2013-07-15 11:55:05 AM  

EngineerAU: Maryland governor Martin O'Malley reminds me a lot of Bill Clinton in the run up to the '92 election. Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biatchris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries. Given that O'Malley and Christie don't have a great deal of respect for each other would make the race interesting. I suspect that the GOP is going to double down and go with an extremist who will get demolished and finally cause the far fringe of the party to lose influence.


Please tell my you live in Maryland.  MOM is a terrible administrator and I really don't want to believe that anyone outside of this state is taking his campaign seriously.
 
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2013-07-15 11:56:20 AM  
www.hollywoodreporter.com

There is only one person on that stage with an IQ greater than 50!
 
2013-07-15 11:56:28 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: silo123j: 64 is not too old. 73 yes, but 64 is fine. Warren would be OK. With Wendy Davis. (jk)

Elizabeth Warren is 64 now. She'll be 67 in 2016 when she's running for office, 68 when she is sworn in, and 71 when she completes her first term. I think she's an amazing and accomplished woman but also that she will just be too damned old for the office.


She just seems a lot younger than Hillary even though they are only a year apart.
 
2013-07-15 11:56:34 AM  
We have a deep bench of 2016 prospects

thestatetimes.com

sinfl.files.wordpress.com

static03.mediaite.com
 
2013-07-15 11:57:24 AM  

Marc L'Hommedieu: If i had to guess?  President Christie.  Just calling it now.


I don't think he can wear a mask long enough to placate the bible beaters. He doesn't care much for them. Though trying to play king shiat with gay marriage in his state is an obvious bit of outreach.
 
2013-07-15 11:58:05 AM  

EngineerAU: Maryland governor Martin O'Malley reminds me a lot of Bill Clinton in the run up to the '92 election. Well, other than the whole screw anything with a pair of boobs biat Chris Christie seems to be the only hope for the GOP but I doubt he'd get past the primaries.


Governor Carcetti disagrees.
 
2013-07-15 11:58:59 AM  
But Devine declared the Democratic side of the equation essentially over if Hillary Clinton runs,

Thus proving he has learned absolutely nothing from 2008.
 
2013-07-15 11:59:57 AM  

silo123j: 64 is not too old. 73 yes, but 64 is fine. Warren would be OK. With Wendy Davis. (jk)


Warren is right now 64. She'd be 67 on election day 2016.
 
2013-07-15 12:00:10 PM  

SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.


I'm just sick and tired of this Political Dynasty Crap. Being related to a previous President should be a negative for re-election.

I think Hillary and Jeb should both be excluded from the running. If either of them win, it would mean America under one of two families for 24 of out of 32 years.

We can do better than that.

Let's See Elizabeth Warren running against John Huntsman.
 
2013-07-15 12:00:29 PM  
Exactly why does everyone thing that Hillary at 70 would not be good?
 
2013-07-15 12:02:10 PM  
I wonder if we'll see a Gen-X President, or if my generation will get passed over for that, too.

/Obama is at the tail end of the baby boomers.
 
2013-07-15 12:02:34 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.

I'm just sick and tired of this Political Dynasty Crap. Being related to a previous President should be a negative for re-election.

I think Hillary and Jeb should both be excluded from the running. If either of them win, it would mean America under one of two families for 24 of out of 32 years.

We can do better than that.

Let's See Elizabeth Warren running against John Huntsman.



It will never happen because the GOP has already shown its true feelings for huntsmen and his "reasonableness"
 
2013-07-15 12:03:32 PM  
Some nights, my gf puts on a strap-on and we wrestle. Whomever can establish themselves behind the other and gain entry wins The Race To The Bottom.
 
2013-07-15 12:03:47 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: silo123j: 64 is not too old. 73 yes, but 64 is fine. Warren would be OK. With Wendy Davis. (jk)

Elizabeth Warren is 64 now. She'll be 67 in 2016 when she's running for office, 68 when she is sworn in, and 71 when she completes her first term. I think she's an amazing and accomplished woman but also that she will just be too damned old for the office.


Women live longer than men. Plus, EW doesn't have any health issues. As for Hil-Dog, I don't want another Clinton in office. We're not going to fix old without some new, and Hilary is not new. She's entrenched DC with no new ideas. Plus, her concussion issue last year kinda has me freaked out. Being president is taxing, and I'm not sure her body can handle it.
 
2013-07-15 12:03:55 PM  

theknuckler_33: the problem the Dems have is that they don't really have many nationally recognizable figures out there.


Yeah, presidential elections are won by men with nationwide name recognition 3 years out from the primaries. Men like Obama, Clinton, or Carter!
 
2013-07-15 12:04:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Let's See Elizabeth Warren running against John Huntsman.


Oh that'd be fun. Huntsman would be crying by the 2nd debate.
 
2013-07-15 12:04:44 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Exactly why does everyone thing that Hillary at 70 would not be good?


Because President is very demanding physically and mentally and not something a typical 70-74 year old is going to be able to handle.
 
2013-07-15 12:05:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Exactly why does everyone thing that Hillary at 70 would not be good?


Probably for the same reason people thought McCain at 72 would not be good. Too old. Which means health problems under the grinding stress of office, statistically higher chance of dying in office, concerns about mental facilities (remember everyone convinced that Reagan was suffering from Alzhiemer's beforfe he was done), etc.

You know exactly why. Because she would be too old, and she already has some known health problems.
 
2013-07-15 12:05:28 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.

I'm just sick and tired of this Political Dynasty Crap. Being related to a previous President should be a negative for re-election.

I think Hillary and Jeb should both be excluded from the running. If either of them win, it would mean America under one of two families for 24 of out of 32 years.

We can do better than that.

Let's See Elizabeth Warren running against John Huntsman.


Jesus Christ, I actually agree with you on something. No more political dynasties.
 
2013-07-15 12:05:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Exactly why does everyone thing that Hillary at 70 would not be good?


media3.s-nbcnews.com

I don't recall.
 
2013-07-15 12:06:31 PM  
I'm fine with Hillary.  Warren, who I respect, doesn't look like she has enough teeth yet.  I still get a whiff of June Cleaver.

I think Jeb will go for it.  Bush vs. Clinton.  omg  Now I want more coffee.
 
2013-07-15 12:06:44 PM  

Raharu: It will never happen because the GOP has already shown its true feelings for huntsmen and his "reasonableness"


I didn't say he had to run as a GOP candidate...........

I mean, as long as we are talking about fantasy league politics.
 
2013-07-15 12:07:18 PM  
Republicans won't be in power for a long time as long as they keep banning gay marriage/ abortion as their most focused goals. Not one country in the civilized world would vote enough to make the republicans their government. They are done for unless they adapt.
 
2013-07-15 12:07:29 PM  

Raharu: BojanglesPaladin: SurfaceTension: I'm as libby-lib as one can get (in America) and I really, really hope Hillary doesn't run. Her age is a real issue and if she wins she would be 73 by the time her first term ends. We need younger blood, and someone who isn't as notoriously energizing to right wingers as she is. I have the same issue with Elizabeth Warren (64) and I thing she'd be awesome if she was younger.

I'm just sick and tired of this Political Dynasty Crap. Being related to a previous President should be a negative for re-election.

I think Hillary and Jeb should both be excluded from the running. If either of them win, it would mean America under one of two families for 24 of out of 32 years.

We can do better than that.

Let's See Elizabeth Warren running against John Huntsman.


It will never happen because the GOP has already shown its true feelings for huntsmen and his "reasonableness"


Too bad libertarians only ever run under the Republican elephant flag. Makes you wonder why that happens. Could it be that money is more important to libertarians than civil rights?
 
2013-07-15 12:08:41 PM  

thurstonxhowell: theknuckler_33: the problem the Dems have is that they don't really have many nationally recognizable figures out there.

Yeah, presidential elections are won by men with nationwide name recognition 3 years out from the primaries. Men like Obama, Clinton, or Carter!


Who pissed in your cornflakes?
 
2013-07-15 12:10:38 PM  

SurfaceTension: I wonder if we'll see a Gen-X President, or if my generation will get passed over for that, too.

/Obama is at the tail end of the baby boomers.


I hate to say it, because I'm a GenXer as well, but my generation largely popularized the "making a point of not being part of the system" thing.  And a funny thing happens when you're not part of the system; you don't get to make it to the higher positions of the system.
 
2013-07-15 12:11:06 PM  
Anyone want to do a two man con of the conservatives?  First guy rides through town talking about global warming, evolution, health care etc. and the second guy comes in a day later asking for help to stop the first guy.  We could go to the coasts and reverse the order
 
2013-07-15 12:14:46 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Too bad libertarians only ever run under the Republican elephant flag. Makes you wonder why that happens. Could it be that money is more important to libertarians than civil rights?


I'm not sure I'm following you. Every year, the Libertarian party fields a Presidential Candidate.
/no one notices, but they do.

Also, I don't know that Huntsman is a libertarian, so much as an anachronistic type of Republican not seen since the 80s - the fabled bi-partisan pragmatic Republican. Nowadays found only in a cave at the end of a rainbow where they live with unicorns and chupacabras.

I think what you mean is that a Republicans party Candidate who is not a derptastic teabagger, is generally considered to be 'libertarian'. The GOP has three flavors in candidates:
1) "Establishment" Republicans - Rich, business lovers, presumably hateful to "the poor"
2) Teabagger Republicans - Ignorant zealots, presumably hateful to "the handout class", and brown people.
3) "libertarian" Republicans - whackjob isolationist, quasi-anarchists, presumably hateful to government and anyone without bootstraps and rugged self-reliance.
 
2013-07-15 12:15:36 PM  

HeartBurnKid: SurfaceTension: I wonder if we'll see a Gen-X President, or if my generation will get passed over for that, too.

/Obama is at the tail end of the baby boomers.

I hate to say it, because I'm a GenXer as well, but my generation largely popularized the "making a point of not being part of the system" thing.  And a funny thing happens when you're not part of the system; you don't get to make it to the higher positions of the system.


What's scary is that within the Millenials there is a large contingent of activist conservative folks who are just itching for political office. Home-schooled and degrees from places like Patrick Henry College, they're ready to pick up the mantle. Ryan, Walker and Rubio are the vanguard of this group.
 
2013-07-15 12:16:01 PM  
BojanglesPaladin:
I'm not sure I'm following you. Every year, the Libertarian party fields a Presidential Candidate.
/no one notices, but they do.


A Republican Candidate.
 
2013-07-15 12:16:15 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Exactly why does everyone thing that Hillary at 70 would not be good?


General experience with 70 year olds and the fact that the office of president takes an unbelievable toll on the office holder. Like it or not, hoping that Hillary is the exception to the general rule of physical and mental decline with age isn't the best plan.
 
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