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(AZ Family)   The very first Air Force One plane that once shuttled President Eisenhower on cross-country voyages is now abandoned and forgotten in the Arizona desert quietly decomposing under the merciless sun. This may be some kind of metaphor   (azfamily.com) divider line 26
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2013-07-15 07:12:41 AM
4 votes:

pissedoffmick: vygramul: Just like Obama to leave the symbol of the finest 20th century Republican president to sit and corrode in the sun like our rights in the courts.

how do people like you get through life without wearing a helmet?


You seem to be doing fine without a humor detector.
2013-07-15 07:17:17 AM
3 votes:
Alternate Universe version of this article:

"YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! US Government spending $12.3 million a year on needless upkeep for old war planes that haven't flown in 50 years!"
2013-07-15 07:09:17 AM
3 votes:
A picture would have been nice, or a real article.
2013-07-15 09:54:21 AM
2 votes:
We still have this:

www.fhwa.dot.gov
and that's pretty cool.

(Wait...there are interstate highways in Hawaii...?)
2013-07-15 07:31:53 AM
2 votes:
I always thought it was in the Presidential Hangar at Wright-Patterson AFB.  The Eisenhower Library will either acquire it or the air force will take it back.
2013-07-15 07:25:45 AM
2 votes:
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2013-07-15 07:24:30 AM
2 votes:
Who cares?  It is just a plane.  We have more.
2013-07-15 01:22:00 PM
1 votes:

beer4breakfast: Are any other former Air Force One aircraft on display at any museum? No? Then I don't see the problem.

There's Reagan's at his library.


There's also one at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field in Seattle
upload.wikimedia.org

Really, the desert is the best place to store this airplane until someone picks it up and decides to restore it.

And, it probably would be restored, even if it weren't something Eisenhower flew on.

The Connie is just a beautiful plane - one of the few that doesn't have a constant cross-section fuselage along its length.
2013-07-15 10:28:26 AM
1 votes:
I'd a thought that a plane with this kinda pedigree would have been a  lock(heed) for the Smithsonian.
2013-07-15 09:55:31 AM
1 votes:
This is outrageous!
We must preserve every object any famous person ever touched.
2013-07-15 09:50:37 AM
1 votes:
There aren't many Connies left in flyable condition, it looks more or less complete, either restore it or use the parts to restore/keep flying other connies - those radial engines are getting hard to come by, as are period-correct instrumentation that works, amoung other things.  Even though its not a 'warplane' per se, a group such as the Commemorative Air Force might be interested in it, as not only is it a cool, historic, aircraft but could also be used to ferry around people and parts for all the other projects they're working on all over the country
2013-07-15 09:37:54 AM
1 votes:

Bomb Head Mohammed: I love planes.  I love historic planes.  I have worked around historic planes for over 20 years, including now volunteering for over the last 5 years in the conservation of static military aircraft.  I am a pilot and flight instructor.  My bookshelf has over 3000 nerd books about airplanes and my model airplanecollection is so large as to be embarassing.

And yet, even I recognize that there's something wrong when there are probably 2000-3000  preserved/historic aircraft on display in the USA... and barely a peep of a monument to labor, slavery, and the like.

Consider the F111.  It's a nice plane, but it's hardly what you can consider to be important.  Its most significant mission was the "El Dorado Canyon" mission against Libya, where one was shot down.   And yet, there are *40* of them on display worldwide.  Commemorating, what, exactly?   Robert McNamara's insistence of "one plane to rule them all" which ended up doing many jobs poorly and only a few well, much like the upcoming F-35?   Ok, maybe it's not commemorating anything beyond the otherwise pretty pedestrian service of those who, say, served at Cannona AFB for a while, maybe it's just a cool plane (which it is), but FFS, at least can we have the honesty to admit that?

A lot of aviation museums badly fail in providing context to their exhibits.  If you want to see a well done aviation museum, check out the cold war building of the RAF museum, Cosford UK, which puts the airplanes into the context of the times with stuff that is educational for all ages.   If you want to see a poorly done exhibit, look no further than any museum where the aircraft are tied up with not much more than... other aircraft.   As much as its collection is outstanding, even the Udvar Hazy museum in DC edges into the latter territory.

Let's not lament an old presidential transport in the desert.  Let's instead build a national museum of slavery and civil rights (desperately needed as a 'move on' capstone and the subject matter is ...




People want to remember their achievements, not their failures.
Planes represent our engineering and wartime prowess. They represent the best of our abilities. They represent adventure, wealth, success, and general sexiness.
Its very easy to display a plane in neutral context.

Trying to talk about slavery, the holocaust, or other forms of social disaster is a much more controversial and complicated thing. How do you do it without tearing open old wounds or insulting people?
You could inadvertently glorify an atrocity if you start putting nazi war memorabilia on display next to chunks of barbed wire from their concentration camps.

Putting an ME-109 on display as a war trophy is relatively easy, compared.
2013-07-15 09:19:07 AM
1 votes:
I love planes.  I love historic planes.  I have worked around historic planes for over 20 years, including now volunteering for over the last 5 years in the conservation of static military aircraft.  I am a pilot and flight instructor.  My bookshelf has over 3000 nerd books about airplanes and my model airplanecollection is so large as to be embarassing.

And yet, even I recognize that there's something wrong when there are probably 2000-3000  preserved/historic aircraft on display in the USA... and barely a peep of a monument to labor, slavery, and the like.

Consider the F111.  It's a nice plane, but it's hardly what you can consider to be important.  Its most significant mission was the "El Dorado Canyon" mission against Libya, where one was shot down.   And yet, there are *40* of them on display worldwide.  Commemorating, what, exactly?   Robert McNamara's insistence of "one plane to rule them all" which ended up doing many jobs poorly and only a few well, much like the upcoming F-35?   Ok, maybe it's not commemorating anything beyond the otherwise pretty pedestrian service of those who, say, served at Cannona AFB for a while, maybe it's just a cool plane (which it is), but FFS, at least can we have the honesty to admit that?

A lot of aviation museums badly fail in providing context to their exhibits.  If you want to see a well done aviation museum, check out the cold war building of the RAF museum, Cosford UK, which puts the airplanes into the context of the times with stuff that is educational for all ages.   If you want to see a poorly done exhibit, look no further than any museum where the aircraft are tied up with not much more than... other aircraft.   As much as its collection is outstanding, even the Udvar Hazy museum in DC edges into the latter territory.

Let's not lament an old presidential transport in the desert.  Let's instead build a national museum of slavery and civil rights (desperately needed as a 'move on' capstone and the subject matter is large enough to warrant its own museum)--if not in DC then at least in Atlanta which would welcome it, a national museum of Music (much needed, complete with extensive online resources), a national museum of industry and labor (the smithsonian covers this to some extent)...

or, better yet, help OTHER countries build critical museums through itnernational cooperation.  how about a memorial to communist/khmer victims in cambodia or eastern ukraine?  how about travelling science museums in africa?
2013-07-15 09:07:47 AM
1 votes:

Lady Indica: So. the. fark. what.

Do we, as a nation, need to be on Hoarders? We don't have to save every farking little thing. Not everything is of major importance to generations to come.


But how else will we shame the citizenry and convince them that these are the end times?

/never did understand how 'everyone should lament about the state of the world' made sense to advertisers
//unless melancholy people buy more things?
///three
2013-07-15 08:43:55 AM
1 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: A picture would have been nice, or a real article.


photorecon.net
2013-07-15 08:33:06 AM
1 votes:
All the while the military industrial complex is laughing at Ike and his feeble attempt to slow them down.
2013-07-15 08:16:51 AM
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Are any other former Air Force One aircraft on display at any museum? No? Then I don't see the problem.


Yes, the VF-54C "Sacred Cow," FDR's plane that was the first official Army Air Corps presidential transport, is on display at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force, along with Eisenhower's "Columbine III" and several others. The exhibit is currently closed due to sequestration cuts. :/

The supposed significance of this plane is that it's the first one to have the call sign "Air Force One." Eh.
2013-07-15 08:03:23 AM
1 votes:
My God it's just a plane ! Presidents are men, not saints ! No need to treat everything they touched as relics to be preserved.
2013-07-15 07:58:54 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There is little sense in preserving it.


There is little sense in preserving anything. Until it's gone.
2013-07-15 07:57:39 AM
1 votes:
Why did Eisenhower name his plane after a school shooting?
2013-07-15 07:57:12 AM
1 votes:

Mock26: Also, I am pretty sure that President Eisenhower no longer needs a plane.


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2013-07-15 07:53:03 AM
1 votes:

vygramul: Just like Obama to leave the symbol of the finest 20th century Republican president to sit and corrode in the sun like our rights in the courts.


Oh, no, you DI'N'T!

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2013-07-15 07:48:05 AM
1 votes:

limeyfellow: vygramul: Just like Obama to leave the symbol of the finest 20th century Republican president to sit and corrode in the sun like our rights in the courts.

Really? He was more of a left wing socialist than Obama ever was. My God, if a guy was President now the derp would be truly epic.


Yep. The republicans want nothing to do with anything approaching a Great Society.
2013-07-15 07:46:16 AM
1 votes:

vygramul: Just like Obama to leave the symbol of the finest 20th century Republican president to sit and corrode in the sun like our rights in the courts.


Really? He was more of a left wing socialist than Obama ever was. My God, if a guy was President now the derp would be truly epic.
2013-07-15 07:35:33 AM
1 votes:

The All-Powerful Atheismo: feickus: I always thought it was in the Presidential Hangar at Wright-Patterson AFB.

Nope, it's in the National Shiathole


Apparently there were three Planes used by Eisenhower named Columbine.  Columbine III is at Wright-Pat
2013-07-15 07:17:20 AM
1 votes:
You know, if the Eisenhower Library has the funds, they could simply buy it and restore it and put it on display, like what the Reagan library did.
 
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