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(AZ Family)   The very first Air Force One plane that once shuttled President Eisenhower on cross-country voyages is now abandoned and forgotten in the Arizona desert quietly decomposing under the merciless sun. This may be some kind of metaphor   (azfamily.com) divider line 129
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2013-07-15 10:06:16 AM  
It's actually the M-21 version of the A-12, technically, since it has the drone mount.
 
2013-07-15 10:07:59 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: I love planes.  I love historic planes.  I have worked around historic planes for over 20 years, including now volunteering for over the last 5 years in the conservation of static military aircraft.  I am a pilot and flight instructor.  My bookshelf has over 3000 nerd books about airplanes and my model airplanecollection is so large as to be embarassing.

And yet, even I recognize that there's something wrong when there are probably 2000-3000  preserved/historic aircraft on display in the USA... and barely a peep of a monument to labor, slavery, and the like.

Christy, take off your robe. 

Consider the F111.  It's a nice plane, but it's hardly what you can consider to be important.  Its most significant mission was the "El Dorado Canyon" mission against Libya, where one was shot down.   And yet, there are *40* of them on display worldwide.  Commemorating, what, exactly?   Robert McNamara's insistence of "one plane to rule them all" which ended up doing many jobs poorly and only a few well, much like the upcoming F-35?   Ok, maybe it's not commemorating anything beyond the otherwise pretty pedestrian service of those who, say, served at Cannona AFB for a while, maybe it's just a cool plane (which it is), but FFS, at least can we have the honesty to admit that? Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. 

A lot of aviation museums badly fail in providing context to their exhibits.  If you want to see a well done aviation museum, check out the cold war building of the RAF museum, Cosford UK, which puts the airplanes into the context of the times with stuff that is educational for all ages.   If you want to see a poorly done exhibit, look no further than any museum where the aircraft are tied up with not much more than... other aircraft.   As much as its collection is outstanding, even the Udvar Hazy museum in DC edges into the latter territory. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. 

Let's not lament an old presidential transport in the desert.  Let's instead build a national museum of slavery and civil rights (desperately needed as a 'move on' capstone and the subject matter is large enough to warrant its own museum)--if not in DC then at least in Atlanta which would welcome it, a national museum of Music (much needed, complete with extensive online resources), a national museum of industry and labor (the smithsonian covers this to some extent)... Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. 

or, better yet, help OTHER countries build critical museums through itnernational cooperation.  how about a memorial to communist/khmer victims in cambodia or eastern ukraine?  how about travelling science museums in africa? .
 
2013-07-15 10:08:27 AM  

fatbear: pissedoffmick: vygramul: Just like Obama to leave the symbol of the finest 20th century Republican president to sit and corrode in the sun like our rights in the courts.

how do people like you get through life without wearing a helmet?

How do you not recognize the trolling? I'd give him 0/10, but you bit.


I was actually thinking the sarcasm would be more obvious, but I guess Poe's Law makes it impossible these days. The Internet needs a <sarcasm> tag.
 
2013-07-15 10:09:50 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Given how many people have given money to keep the rustbucket USS United States afloat in Philly, I am shocked that someone hasn't snatched the plane up with the misguided notion that a presidential plane museum would be the gateway to claiming a casino and an aquarium would solve all of the town's financial problems..


I think you mean the SS United States.
 
2013-07-15 10:14:28 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: And yet, even I recognize that there's something wrong when there are probably 2000-3000  preserved/historic aircraft on display in the USA... and barely a peep of a monument to labor, slavery, and the like.


That's because America is a monument to labor, slavery, and the like.

/Fark yeah
 
2013-07-15 10:19:40 AM  

mbillips: Tat'dGreaser: Are any other former Air Force One aircraft on display at any museum? No? Then I don't see the problem.

Yes, the VF-54C "Sacred Cow," FDR's plane that was the first official Army Air Corps presidential transport, is on display at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force, along with Eisenhower's "Columbine III" and several others. The exhibit is currently closed due to sequestration cuts. :/

The supposed significance of this plane is that it's the first one to have the call sign "Air Force One." Eh.


Not sure when they started using the call sign, but it goes with the President, not the plane. Any plane carrying the President gets the call sign AirForce1. If he is not on the aircraft (say it's just Michelle and the kids), they don't use it. Marine1 is his chopper, but again only when he is on board.
 
2013-07-15 10:23:15 AM  

vygramul: StoPPeRmobile: Bung_Howdy: MANY planes lie slowly decomposing in the desert... slowly being the key word

Yeah, no shiat. I'm sure most of those planes are as good as when I worked on jets.

Aluminum is awesome. Most abundent element on the planet for a reason.

Most abundant element?




Damng it!

Metal!!
 
2013-07-15 10:28:26 AM  
I'd a thought that a plane with this kinda pedigree would have been a  lock(heed) for the Smithsonian.
 
2013-07-15 10:30:57 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Wow...they shutdown an LA Freeway cause one white hispanic gets off after killing a black kid, but no one shuts down the oil fields and chemical plants that are killing black--white--hispanic--asians--dolphins--and other stuff every damn day -- o -- and no one is even arrested btw...

Have a Happy Monday


That's some authentic frontier gibberish right there, I tell you what.
 
2013-07-15 10:31:12 AM  

hasty ambush: neversubmit: A metaphor of what happens to those that oppose the military industrial complex.

Or those who oppose government funding science/academia (If you are going to quote use the whole quote):

"Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. "

Link


The video didn't have it all?
 
2013-07-15 10:43:18 AM  
Sad?  This is sad to those people who are a real blast at parties.  We don't need to save one of everything.  Next you'll be wanting to convert the moon into a graveyard.  I know how you people operate.
 
2013-07-15 10:59:40 AM  
We should have preserved the first horse that Washington rode on.
 
2013-07-15 11:15:29 AM  

Devolving_Spud: We still have this:

[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 850x534]
and that's pretty cool.

(Wait...there are interstate highways in Hawaii...?)


Also slowly decaying... I think that's the joke.

sasoc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-15 11:22:56 AM  
Lady Bird Johnson's transport (DC-7) is up the road at Goodyear Airport in pretty much the same condition. Been there since the late 70's at least.
 
2013-07-15 11:31:30 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Are any other former Air Force One aircraft on display at any museum? No? Then I don't see the problem.


Kennedy and Johnson's plane is on display right down the road from the one in the article.  http://www.pimaair.org/collection-detail.php?cid=92

I'm sure the Pima Air and Space Museum would love to get their hands on this plane, but the owner probably wants tons of money for it.
 
2013-07-15 11:39:55 AM  
Hey this is America!  You can Fricken BUY an Air Force ONE!  That is some kind of AWESOME.

Fear the Clam: That's because America is a monument to labor, slavery, and the like.

In a very real way the US is a monument to Anti-savery.  Before the civil war people would say "These United States"  after we fought to free the slaves it became "The United States"  As for monument to labor I drive one every day.  Now for an old Connie.  Take um or leave um, at the time it was a good plane but didn't last long historically.  Lost in the transition between the advancements made in aerodynamics during WWII and dawn of the jet age.  Pima Air Museum  in Tucson is the largest privately owned aircraft museum in the world and has the first Connie that Ike used.  Unfortunately he didn't fly it while in office as president but Pima Air still has it sitting right next to FDR's plane.  The third (his second presidential term) is in another museum.  The second one (first AF1) you can BUY, if you want, God Bless America!

Bomb Head Mohammed: Consider the F111.

Ignore EM theory at your own peril.  
"The only good thing about the F-111, is that the dumbass Soviets believed our propaganda and built their very own piece of useless shiat, the Backfire bomber." - Colonel John Boyd
The reason there is so many F-111's "on sticks" is because they are a cool looking plane that looks impressive but all of them where retired in good working order.  That is the AF gave up looking other countries to buy them.   They couldn't give them away to our allies because nobody would take the useless POS so the next best thing is good PR.  "WOW look at that massive fast looking plane"
 
2013-07-15 11:42:35 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Are any other former Air Force One aircraft on display at any museum? No? Then I don't see the problem.


blogs.archives.gov

There's Reagan's at his library.
 
2013-07-15 11:51:43 AM  
ts4.mm.bing.net
Da Plane, why won't someone think of da plane.
 
2013-07-15 12:02:53 PM  

neversubmit: hasty ambush: neversubmit: A metaphor of what happens to those that oppose the military industrial complex.

Or those who oppose government funding science/academia (If you are going to quote use the whole quote):

"Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. "

Link

The video didn't have it all?


Yet  the post only mentioned the MIC part.
 
2013-07-15 12:17:02 PM  

hasty ambush: Yet the post only mentioned the MIC part.


Of course, don't you know the narrative. "Big Government is your looking out to help the little guy against the evils of large corporations."  What Ike actually said was that government was buying the loyalty of academics and large corporations using grant money and military contracts, leaving the innovative little guy powerless with no hope of success.  Leftist love the grants and can't stand the military and don't care about innovation or success of the powerless.  So what part do the leftist history professors and leftist newspapers cut?  Everything but the "Military Industrial Complex is evil and taking over"
 
2013-07-15 12:30:16 PM  

hasty ambush: neversubmit: hasty ambush: neversubmit: A metaphor of what happens to those that oppose the military industrial complex.

Or those who oppose government funding science/academia (If you are going to quote use the whole quote):

"Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. "

Link

The video didn't have it all?

Yet  the post only mentioned the MIC part.


What are links for?

(If you are going to quote use the whole quote):

Maybe you could follow your own advice.
 
2013-07-15 01:03:51 PM  

Bung_Howdy: MANY planes lie slowly decomposing in the desert... slowly being the key word


Except they aren't which is why they are in the desert. There is little moisture to let them corrode.

Anyway, the USAF museum in Dayton is awesome and hopefully the GOP will get their asses handed to them eventually when people realize the sequester didn't solve a god damn thing.
 
2013-07-15 01:22:00 PM  

beer4breakfast: Are any other former Air Force One aircraft on display at any museum? No? Then I don't see the problem.

There's Reagan's at his library.


There's also one at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field in Seattle
upload.wikimedia.org

Really, the desert is the best place to store this airplane until someone picks it up and decides to restore it.

And, it probably would be restored, even if it weren't something Eisenhower flew on.

The Connie is just a beautiful plane - one of the few that doesn't have a constant cross-section fuselage along its length.
 
2013-07-15 01:36:56 PM  
I had heard it was in the Smithsonian.
Learn something new every day.
 
2013-07-15 01:38:21 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: A picture would have been nice, or a real article.


How about both?
static.guim.co.uk

/GIS for picture of a real article - FTW!
 
2013-07-15 01:48:03 PM  

Bung_Howdy: MANY planes lie slowly decomposing in the desert... slowly being the key word


That does not farking count as decomposing. Put some fruit out in a rainforest.  That is decomposing.  Metal under  nearly no weather besides sunlight isn't going to suffer jack shiat for thousands of years beyond fading paint. Maybe rust if it rains, but given how rarely rain shows up there? Ha ha.

/Out in Northern NV, which is  wetter and colder than AZ, the museums have displays of glass bottles and tin cans from the earliest settlers. You can find them yourself by walking into big, open fields.
//If you find purple glass that's even cooler.
///But yeah, decompose? Ha ha, you're funny Subby.
 
2013-07-15 02:47:19 PM  
Lord. I'm going to give the greatest republican president guy a 10/10. It only took a couple of sentences to totally derail what should have been a cool airplane thread. Some of you guys will respond to anything.
 
2013-07-15 06:44:50 PM  

Maturin: SpdrJay: They should dig up Eisenhower and bury him in it! restore him to original condition.


A baby?
 
2013-07-15 08:13:46 PM  
 32°24'42.94" N 111°13'24.66" W

I'd be more interested in seeing the planes here  +32° 24' 31.06", -111° 12' 41.52"  flying again , actually saw one in the air, i believe the only one still flying,  in the last year or so.

CSB:  in 1964 i flew in a Super Connie from San Francisco to Guam and then the the Philippines  a flight of some 23 hours IIRC it was a trip in purgatory from the noise, vibration and biatchy stewardess'
/CSB

/ i was very young at the time
// get off my lawn
/// third witty remark
 
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