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2013-07-14 10:51:36 PM  
Oh, a company I've never heard of is fighting the good fight. I bet they're a real company, not an NSA front.
 
2013-07-14 11:12:46 PM  
My pissant ISP recently told me that when he receives a copyright violation notice he forwards it to all of his customers.  I said, "AYFKM? Why don't you track down the party it's intended for instead of alarming all of your customers?"  He replied, "I believe in personal privacy, so I don't monitor customers' activities. But I have to forward the notice by law, so everyone gets it."

I suspect he's just a lazy fark.
 
2013-07-14 11:55:12 PM  

serial_crusher: Oh, a company I've never heard of is fighting the good fight. I bet they're a real company, not an NSA front.


Maddox has been using them for years. Unless they've been playing a 14-year long-con, they're legit.
 
2013-07-15 12:16:25 AM  
well that's one reason to move to Utah

/national parks makes two
 
2013-07-15 12:43:11 AM  

serial_crusher: Oh, a company I've never heard of is fighting the good fight. I bet they're a real company, not an NSA front.


Xmission is the official web host of Maddox, and has been for years - possibly over a decade at this point. Whatever your opinion of Maddox is that's irrelevant. They've stuck with him through controversies and other adversity. They're loyal to their customers, and have been around a long time.
 
2013-07-15 01:16:32 AM  
Tomorrow's headline:

i563.photobucket.com Owner of a small Utah ISP found dead in a motel room, shot twice in the head. Death ruled a suicide, his business to be administered by an FCC appointee until a more cooperative manager can be hired
 
2013-07-15 04:01:21 AM  
tinfoil alert

Utah - Mormons

Mormons generate more politicians than any other religious group
per population

i expect that this ISP will weather any trouble

end of tinfoil alert
 
2013-07-15 04:13:41 AM  
As soon as i started reading the article i had to check if Maddox was still around. He is. I don't know if i wanna catch up on anything he's done since the Alphabet of Manliness.
 
2013-07-15 04:23:59 AM  
WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed
 
2013-07-15 04:56:59 AM  

cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed


Assuming the article is accurate he's the most ethical business owner to make the news in a while.  Hero?  Maybe not, but he's a lot closer than the shiat stains that we usually hear about.
 
2013-07-15 04:58:39 AM  
Article fail : "Internet Service Provider (IPS)"
 
2013-07-15 05:01:02 AM  

Arumat: cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed

Assuming the article is accurate he's the most ethical business owner to make the news in a while.  Hero?  Maybe not, but he's a lot closer than the shiat stains that we usually hear about.


I`d rather it was companies like this who are trying to protect us who were to use any means to gain public awareness than monsanto for example.

sorry for bad sentence me not smart good today. morning. need coffee.
 
2013-07-15 05:04:13 AM  
Like that's any help...

// the NSA will tap everyone anyway...
// regardless of which ISP you have...
// everything goes through some backbone somewhere that has a nice black box attached to it sniffing everybody's shiat anyway...
 
2013-07-15 05:21:15 AM  

cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed


FFS this is so frustrating. You people are farking morons. Some guy exposes the lengths to which your own government spies on you and you get pissed at him. This guy says, "I won't let the government spy on you", and you say, "what an attention whore". Why do you go to so much farking trouble to avoid actually addressing the real farking issue?

This quote sums up my opinion quite well, I may have found a kindred spirit.

"To hear some of the rhetoric about [Edward] Snowden being a traitor angers me. Snowden isn't the one who committed the crime. He reported the constitutional crimes of the people who are running the agencies monitoring Americans. "
 
2013-07-15 05:30:51 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: My pissant ISP recently told me that when he receives a copyright violation notice he forwards it to all of his customers. I said, "AYFKM? Why don't you track down the party it's intended for instead of alarming all of your customers?" He replied, "I believe in personal privacy, so I don't monitor customers' activities. But I have to forward the notice by law, so everyone gets it."

I suspect he's just a lazy fark.


I had a boss that would pull the same kind of shiat. We had a few wireless POP that assigned DHCP addresses and did NAT, leftovers from a scheme the boss had to sell turnkey per-use WiFi hotspots for restaurants, coffee shops and retail. We were expanding into an area with lots of student housing and no free wireless, so the boss tossed them up alongside the higher power, higher bandwidth equipment our customers used as advertising. A 'hand out half an hour of free slow internet a day and turn them into paying customers' sort of thing.

The complaints would arrive with one of our IP addresses on it. I'd ask the boss if he wanted me to enable logging and figure out who it should go to, and every time I'd hear "Our job is to forward it to the owner of that IP address, not do unpaid research. I own it, I've seen the complaint. Job done. By the way, what the heck is a 'Funky Bunch'?"

It made for the best replies ever to the subpoenas we got when one of the free users got sued.

"The company has no information other than that the user was likely within an irregular area surrounding <addresses in a densely populated area>, illustrated by the orange on the included coverage map. According to the US Census and Bureau of Labor Statistics, nearly 25,000 people live or work in this area, and 15,000 of them own computers. It is, however, possible to use the network from much longer distances with speciality equipment so long as you have line of sight. This area, indicated by the blue, roughly triangular region on the coverage map, contains in excess of 65,000 people, 39,000 of which own computers."
 
2013-07-15 05:48:03 AM  
Xmission? Hell I thought The Pirate Bay was up to something.
 
2013-07-15 05:50:06 AM  
They will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.
 
2013-07-15 07:28:36 AM  

NormallyTechnos: BarkingUnicorn: My pissant ISP recently told me that when he receives a copyright violation notice he forwards it to all of his customers. I said, "AYFKM? Why don't you track down the party it's intended for instead of alarming all of your customers?" He replied, "I believe in personal privacy, so I don't monitor customers' activities. But I have to forward the notice by law, so everyone gets it."

I suspect he's just a lazy fark.

I had a boss that would pull the same kind of shiat. We had a few wireless POP that assigned DHCP addresses and did NAT, leftovers from a scheme the boss had to sell turnkey per-use WiFi hotspots for restaurants, coffee shops and retail. We were expanding into an area with lots of student housing and no free wireless, so the boss tossed them up alongside the higher power, higher bandwidth equipment our customers used as advertising. A 'hand out half an hour of free slow internet a day and turn them into paying customers' sort of thing.

The complaints would arrive with one of our IP addresses on it. I'd ask the boss if he wanted me to enable logging and figure out who it should go to, and every time I'd hear "Our job is to forward it to the owner of that IP address, not do unpaid research. I own it, I've seen the complaint. Job done. By the way, what the heck is a 'Funky Bunch'?"

It made for the best replies ever to the subpoenas we got when one of the free users got sued.

"The company has no information other than that the user was likely within an irregular area surrounding <addresses in a densely populated area>, illustrated by the orange on the included coverage map. According to the US Census and Bureau of Labor Statistics, nearly 25,000 people live or work in this area, and 15,000 of them own computers. It is, however, possible to use the network from much longer distances with speciality equipment so long as you have line of sight. This area, indicated by the blue, roughly triangular region on the coverage map, contains in excess of 65,000 people, 39,000 of which own computers."


So, what color did the lawyer's face turn when he read that?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-15 07:49:23 AM  

Slaxl: cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed

FFS this is so frustrating. You people are farking morons. Some guy exposes the lengths to which your own government spies on you and you get pissed at him. This guy says, "I won't let the government spy on you", and you say, "what an attention whore". Why do you go to so much farking trouble to avoid actually addressing the real farking issue?

This quote sums up my opinion quite well, I may have found a kindred spirit.

"To hear some of the rhetoric about [Edward] Snowden being a traitor angers me. Snowden isn't the one who committed the crime. He reported the constitutional crimes of the people who are running the agencies monitoring Americans. "


The people who think Snowden is a hero are the farking morons.  He is the one who committed a crime, that's why he is wanted. 
The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists, which is what it should be doing.

Even if there weren't safeguards to prevent the government from spying on me, it would die of boredom if it tried it.
 
2013-07-15 08:16:10 AM  

vpb: The people who think Snowden is a hero are the farking morons. He is the one who committed a crime, that's why he is wanted.
The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists, which is what it should be doing.

Even if there weren't safeguards to prevent the government from spying on me, it would die of boredom if it tried it.


Translation:

Herp derp derpa derpa derp!  I wonder what Kim Kardashian is up to?
 
Esn
2013-07-15 08:20:26 AM  

vpb: Slaxl: cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed

FFS this is so frustrating. You people are farking morons. Some guy exposes the lengths to which your own government spies on you and you get pissed at him. This guy says, "I won't let the government spy on you", and you say, "what an attention whore". Why do you go to so much farking trouble to avoid actually addressing the real farking issue?

This quote sums up my opinion quite well, I may have found a kindred spirit.

"To hear some of the rhetoric about [Edward] Snowden being a traitor angers me. Snowden isn't the one who committed the crime. He reported the constitutional crimes of the people who are running the agencies monitoring Americans. "

The people who think Snowden is a hero are the farking morons.  He is the one who committed a crime, that's why he is wanted.
The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists


You only have their word for it. Do you feel that the government is trustworthy?  They have the technical capability to spy on everyone, and the program was secret.

But as for only "spying on suspected terrorists", Microsoft (for example) gave them direct access to ALL Hotmail and Skype conversations.
 
2013-07-15 08:20:28 AM  
Duckduckgo.com seems to be good, at least that is what the TV tells me.  Does anyone know anything about them other than they claim that they do not track your browsing?
 
2013-07-15 08:56:45 AM  
Has the NSA even ASKED them?
 
2013-07-15 09:05:19 AM  

JellyDoughnut: Duckduckgo.com seems to be good, at least that is what the TV tells me.  Does anyone know anything about them other than they claim that they do not track your browsing?


I've used them for a few years. It wasn't great in the beginning, but I kept using them (people clicking on links helps the search engine to learn). I used to revert to google every third or fourth search, but I honestly can't remember the last time I've done that, except for image search, which is the big feature they lack.
 
2013-07-15 09:28:43 AM  
vpb:The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists, which is what it should be doing.

Trolling, or just really farking stupid?
 
2013-07-15 10:07:24 AM  

NormallyTechnos: BarkingUnicorn: My pissant ISP recently told me that when he receives a copyright violation notice he forwards it to all of his customers. I said, "AYFKM? Why don't you track down the party it's intended for instead of alarming all of your customers?" He replied, "I believe in personal privacy, so I don't monitor customers' activities. But I have to forward the notice by law, so everyone gets it."

I suspect he's just a lazy fark.

I had a boss that would pull the same kind of shiat. We had a few wireless POP that assigned DHCP addresses and did NAT, leftovers from a scheme the boss had to sell turnkey per-use WiFi hotspots for restaurants, coffee shops and retail. We were expanding into an area with lots of student housing and no free wireless, so the boss tossed them up alongside the higher power, higher bandwidth equipment our customers used as advertising. A 'hand out half an hour of free slow internet a day and turn them into paying customers' sort of thing.

The complaints would arrive with one of our IP addresses on it. I'd ask the boss if he wanted me to enable logging and figure out who it should go to, and every time I'd hear "Our job is to forward it to the owner of that IP address, not do unpaid research. I own it, I've seen the complaint. Job done. By the way, what the heck is a 'Funky Bunch'?"

It made for the best replies ever to the subpoenas we got when one of the free users got sued.

"The company has no information other than that the user was likely within an irregular area surrounding <addresses in a densely populated area>, illustrated by the orange on the included coverage map. According to the US Census and Bureau of Labor Statistics, nearly 25,000 people live or work in this area, and 15,000 of them own computers. It is, however, possible to use the network from much longer distances with speciality equipment so long as you have line of sight. This area, indicated by the blue, roughly triangular region on the coverage map, contains in ...


That's sufficient to get the ISP off the hook?  Maybe mine is right.
 
2013-07-15 11:14:27 AM  

DicksWii: As soon as i started reading the article i had to check if Maddox was still around. He is. I don't know if i wanna catch up on anything he's done since the Alphabet of Manliness.


Alphabet of Manliness was hilarious (except for the Chuck Norris chapter).

Hold onto those memories though, because everything he's done since is garbage.
 
2013-07-15 12:45:18 PM  
Or is it one company that will soon have a government agent working for it, happily turning over information to the NSA? DUN da DUNNNN

/does the foil make my butt look big?
 
2013-07-15 01:24:07 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: DicksWii: As soon as i started reading the article i had to check if Maddox was still around. He is. I don't know if i wanna catch up on anything he's done since the Alphabet of Manliness.

Alphabet of Manliness was hilarious (except for the Chuck Norris chapter).

Hold onto those memories though, because everything he's done since is garbage.


Yeah, i'm no longer a teenager and this is no longer the early 2000s, so i don't want to ruin the memories that i have. I made the mistake of watching 'American Wedding' during some down time before i got out of the AF and i've learned my lesson on revisiting things i previously found funny.
 
2013-07-15 04:04:07 PM  

malle-herbert: Like that's any help...

// the NSA will tap everyone anyway...
// regardless of which ISP you have...
// everything goes through some backbone somewhere that has a nice black box attached to it sniffing everybody's shiat anyway...


HELIOS FOUND YOU
HELIOS FOUND YOU
HELIOS FOUND YOU
 
2013-07-15 04:29:40 PM  
I always configure my Kubuntu systems to use the package repos at Xmission, because they've got gobs of bandwidth they offer up for open source stuff, and Canonical's servers are so god farking horribly slow.
 
2013-07-15 04:43:33 PM  

vpb: The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists, which is what it should be doing.


Why are you so sure those are mutually exclusive?
 
2013-07-15 04:44:53 PM  

StrangeQ: vpb:The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists, which is what it should be doing.

Trolling, or just really farking stupid?


Probably in the "If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear" group.

Everyone has something to hide.  Otherwise we'd quite happily tell each other our bank details, NINO (social security number for the Americans), our deepest and most depraved fantasies... everything we keep private.
 
2013-07-15 05:25:05 PM  
"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" types should be forced to surrender naked pictures of themselves upon request.

 Privacy should be a right, not a revocable privilege.
 
2013-07-15 05:56:50 PM  

cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed


Comparatively speaking, you're the asshole.

/And I bet that rings true in most situations.
 
2013-07-15 06:34:31 PM  
Credo Mobile takes a similar stance and donates a portion of the profits to liberal causes. Difficulty: Sprint network.
 
2013-07-15 06:57:33 PM  
It's cute that he thinks he can ignore a subpoena.
 
2013-07-15 08:22:54 PM  

vpb: Slaxl: cman: WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND ARE NOT USING A CURRENT EVENT TO GAIN FREE PUBLICITY.

Hero tag indeed

FFS this is so frustrating. You people are farking morons. Some guy exposes the lengths to which your own government spies on you and you get pissed at him. This guy says, "I won't let the government spy on you", and you say, "what an attention whore". Why do you go to so much farking trouble to avoid actually addressing the real farking issue?

This quote sums up my opinion quite well, I may have found a kindred spirit.

"To hear some of the rhetoric about [Edward] Snowden being a traitor angers me. Snowden isn't the one who committed the crime. He reported the constitutional crimes of the people who are running the agencies monitoring Americans. "

The people who think Snowden is a hero are the farking morons.  He is the one who committed a crime, that's why he is wanted. 
The government isn't spying on me, it's spying on suspected terrorists, which is what it should be doing.

Even if there weren't safeguards to prevent the government from spying on me, it would die of boredom if it tried it.


Supercomputers don't get bored.
 
2013-07-16 02:28:03 AM  
This is what as known as kicking a hornets nest.

Wait till they just seize the entire server farm and get the data they want.  See how long your "business" lasts after that.

By the way, for all you anti-cop haters out there, not all requests from the government are for some secret bullshiat for the NSA.  They do other things like get murder conspirators and child porn producers.
 
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