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(Grub Street)   Why restaurants are louder than ever. For the benefit of the hard-of-hearing Farkers, here is the headline again: WHY RESTAURANTS ARE LOUDER THAN EVER   (grubstreet.com ) divider line
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2013-07-15 10:01:13 AM  

foo monkey: IT'S BECAUSE RESTAURANTS BLAST MUSIC LIKE THEY'RE A GOD-DAMNED RAVE.  TURN OFF THE farkING MUSIC.  LET US EAT AND TALK.

I ate lunch last week at a higher-end Italian place.  Party of eight.  Went in for a late lunch (2PM). We were the only table seated.  They had the music so loud we couldn't hear each other across the table.  Music is not ambiance.  It's noise.


Did you ask them to turn it down?
 
2013-07-15 10:11:31 AM  

LemSkroob: Summary:

Remove: carpeting, ceiling tiles, tablecloths, window treatments, and leather booths

Add: Glass, steel, concrete, wood, exposed pipes, and bare bulb fixtures.


Gee, i wonder why it sounds louder.


The act in the one reastaurant I've done was an artistic acoustical cloud. Yeah, no one gave a shiat about stc rating.

I hate these places. Can't hear my friends, and can't think.
 
2013-07-15 10:56:00 AM  
This trend severely limits options for my ADD hubby, loud restaurants are hell for him.

We're basically stuck with the off times like Tuesday night, forget about the weekend.
 
2013-07-15 11:40:05 AM  
Glad to see I am not the only one who caught the classic SNL reference, back in the day WHEN SNL ACTUALLY TRIED TO BE FUNNY
 
2013-07-15 11:46:14 AM  

thurstonxhowell: This is why my favorite place to eat is an old man pub with great pastrami sandwiches. I get delicious food and the other patrons are all guys who haven't wanted to say a word in 20 years.


Old man pubs are awesome.  Cigar bars are usually quiet too.
 
2013-07-15 12:11:42 PM  
This phenomenon is due mostly to the fact that designers and restauranteurs don't know jack about sound.  And what they think they know is not only wrong, but usually exacerbates the problem.  Then, when they're presented with the solution (this is what I do professionally), the sticker shock sends them reeling and they seemed resigned to live with the issue.  I've never been able to figure out how they can justify extremely expensive decorations and balk at fixing what is becoming a huge nuisance.  I'm pretty sure that it will only be addressed when the owners are made aware and the tops are empty.  Otherwise, they have no incentive.
 
2013-07-15 12:48:38 PM  

Bung_Howdy: is it because people in general are more rude, self absorbed, yapping on cell phones and overall discourteous asshattery?

DNRTFA

/half deaf but courteous, occasionally loud


Screaming children. Don't forget the screaming children.

/and assholes who chew with their mouths open
 
2013-07-15 01:36:40 PM  

shortymac: This trend severely limits options for my ADD hubby, loud restaurants are hell for him.


True for me as well.

****

And what about movie theaters?  I've taken to wearing ear plugs with me at some particular movie theaters.  Just too farking loud.
 
2013-07-15 02:05:15 PM  

FizixJunkee: shortymac: This trend severely limits options for my ADD hubby, loud restaurants are hell for him.

True for me as well.

****

And what about movie theaters?  I've taken to wearing ear plugs with me at some particular movie theaters.  Just too farking loud.


You sound old.
 
2013-07-15 02:37:56 PM  
I wish restaurants would check the noise.

there are several great restaurants in town that I have sworn off because the noise makes the experience unbearable.  I've even asked if it were possible to turn down the music.  no relief.

My wife and I used to go out to eat a lot, and we're usually treated very well.  we're nice, quiet, tip well, order well, understand th service industry inside and out at the fine dining level, and don't give anyone any trouble.  unless noise is an issue (at a place where you're spending enough money where you shouldn't be forced to suffer).

i understand loud acoustics.  i don't blame the restaurant for loud talkers/parties.  but, for fark's sake, it's not a nightclub, turn down the damn music.  and your taste in music sucks.

/ noise does not bother me where it belongs.  like a restaurant with live music, bar, ninth level of hell, etc.
 
2013-07-15 02:41:27 PM  
I read the article and it was nice to know it wasn't my imagination. As near as I have been able to observe the number one reason for the extra noise is small restaurants. It seems to me that chefs are choosing smaller spaces both in order to save money on space but also to make the place look more full (and hence more popular). One strategy that I use is if the place has a patio or outside dining to make a reservation and request a seat outside. The noise is usually a lot less.
 
2013-07-15 02:52:42 PM  

one fine nerd: This phenomenon is due mostly to the fact that designers and restauranteurs don't know jack about sound.  And what they think they know is not only wrong, but usually exacerbates the problem.  Then, when they're presented with the solution (this is what I do professionally), the sticker shock sends them reeling and they seemed resigned to live with the issue.  I've never been able to figure out how they can justify extremely expensive decorations and balk at fixing what is becoming a huge nuisance.  I'm pretty sure that it will only be addressed when the owners are made aware and the tops are empty.  Otherwise, they have no incentive.


Out of interest, what is the solution?

(I'm kinda guessing it's "build restaurants like they used to be with carpets and wood panelling" but I'm genuinely curious).
 
2013-07-15 03:02:42 PM  

FizixJunkee: shortymac: This trend severely limits options for my ADD hubby, loud restaurants are hell for him.

True for me as well.

****

And what about movie theaters?  I've taken to wearing ear plugs with me at some particular movie theaters.  Just too farking loud.


Movie theaters aren't so bad, but we still avoid going on like opening night.
 
2013-07-15 03:29:28 PM  

mcreadyblue: FizixJunkee: shortymac: This trend severely limits options for my ADD hubby, loud restaurants are hell for him.

True for me as well.

****

And what about movie theaters?  I've taken to wearing ear plugs with me at some particular movie theaters.  Just too farking loud.

You sound old.


Early thirties is old?
 
2013-07-15 03:55:27 PM  

farkeruk: one fine nerd: This phenomenon is due mostly to the fact that designers and restauranteurs don't know jack about sound.  And what they think they know is not only wrong, but usually exacerbates the problem.  Then, when they're presented with the solution (this is what I do professionally), the sticker shock sends them reeling and they seemed resigned to live with the issue.  I've never been able to figure out how they can justify extremely expensive decorations and balk at fixing what is becoming a huge nuisance.  I'm pretty sure that it will only be addressed when the owners are made aware and the tops are empty.  Otherwise, they have no incentive.

Out of interest, what is the solution?

(I'm kinda guessing it's "build restaurants like they used to be with carpets and wood panelling" but I'm genuinely curious).


Absorption.  Most try to do this with drapes, carpet, padded seating, etc...  While these help (minimally), more efficient and absorptive materials can be used to bring the reverberation of a room down.  Each space is unique, both from a size and function aspect, and dictates how much treatment is needed to calm a room down.  Once that's been figured out, the right treatment option based on budget, visual aesthetics, installation issues, etc. will be selected.  Then the idea is to get it in the space without it looking like you crammed a bunch of crap (read:  egg crate) in a room.
 
2013-07-15 04:57:07 PM  

DoughyGuy: Just got back from eating at Black Angus Steakhouse.


Did you bend over for the gravy pipe?
 
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