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(HitFix)   The fifteen most useless sequels of all time. Missing from the list: The last two Matrix films and Star Trek: First Contact   (hitfix.com) divider line 246
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2013-07-15 12:07:07 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.


+1. FC was awesome. Dunno why they all went downhill after that.
 
2013-07-15 12:07:35 AM  

Bslim: Hey! U.S. Marshals rocked. Extra points for having Downey as the heavy.


This!  US Marshals is an awesome movie!  Besides, it's not like they called it "The Fugitive 2".  It had it's own thing going on!
 
2013-07-15 12:09:34 AM  
While I agree Indiana Jones 4 wasn't necessary, I still lived it for the fact it brought Marion and Indy back together and that was fun.
And fark whoever didn't like it because go look up Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, what COULD have been Indy 4.
 
2013-07-15 12:10:02 AM  

jenny next: House On Haunted Hill 2.  Turns out the doctor's not really evil for experimenting on his patients.  The house made him do it.


Does anyone else remember a time when Haunted Houses were the result of something a person did, and not just a stupid "it's evil because fark you" mindless plot device?

/yeah, me neither
 
2013-07-15 12:12:18 AM  

Cream of Meat:


Yep terminator 3 was the absolute shiats. It was so bad it even killed the original 2 movies for me.
 
2013-07-15 12:13:15 AM  
Ocean's Twelve & Thirteen
Airport '77 & '79
Rocky V
Karate Kid 3 & 4
Wayne's World 2
The movie that doesn't exist as a sequel to Highlander
Why does God need a spaceship sequel?

/if you get to list 'Cars 2' then I get to list 'Planes'
 
2013-07-15 12:14:41 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.

well, if we're doing kids movies:

                 


Um you are aware that those movies are ment for small kids right? I mean my 4 year old loves them. But if you are watching them as a critic and making a movie night of it. Without any kids around, you sir are a weirdo!
 
2013-07-15 12:14:56 AM  
The TFA's list seems to be spot on.  Some of these comments are not:

The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.  (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)  Was parts of it kinda corny?  Maybe.  Revolutions was pretty disappointing, especially the further it went along.  (First 30 minutes wasn't bad.)

First Contact?  Now you're just trolling.  Granted, the TNG movies weren't epic, but this was one of the better ones.  (ST6 is still the best one.)

Gremlins 2?  This is just proof that you haven't seen it.  Awesome movie.

Ghostbusters 2?  Was it better than Ghostbusters?  No, but it's hard to reach that high.  It was still a good movie, though.

Tron: Legacy?  Olivia Wilde, cool special effects, great soundtrack, good story, oh, and Olivia Wilde.  Also, the original Tron has not aged well.
 
2013-07-15 12:17:38 AM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.


I agree. Granted, it followed the arc of: NY, AMERICA, THE WORLD for the family. It was a natural progression, I suppose, in terms of expanding the scope.

Still, I liked the Winegardner books better, and the end of Hagen made me sad.

The scheming and intrigue about the Vatican Bank wasn't a bad idea, iirc it was a reflection on the Pope before John Paul XVI, and the shady dealings around his death. Not a bad premise, on it's own. But then you have an impotent Don Corleone that can't do dick about a two bit punk like Andy Garcia, when in all ways the story could have been made he would have been snuffed right off.

The best thing for me about Godfather III is the ending. Michael Corleone's death is precisely what I have imagined for Jar Jar Binks, dying of old age, alone and unloved, with only the memories of his failure-- hey wait, didn't the Star Wars prequels get listed in this slide show? Everything about them was useless. They answered all the questions we never asked, and everything they answered made the originals worse.
 
2013-07-15 12:18:42 AM  

Zombie DJ: While I agree Indiana Jones 4 wasn't necessary, I still lived it for the fact it brought Marion and Indy back together and that was fun.
And fark whoever didn't like it because go look up Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, what COULD have been Indy 4.


Yeah, and I PLAYED Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, which SHOULD have been Indy 4.
 
2013-07-15 12:19:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Darth_Lukecash: thatguyoverthere70: What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.

OOh,  I like a challenge.

1) The Dark Knight
2) Godfather II
3) Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn
4)The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (although to be honest, The Man With No Name was not part of a trilogy...he had names in all of the movies and they were different characters. It was pure marketing on WB)
5) Spiderman 2
6) Iron Man 3 was better than Iron Man 2
7) Several Bond movies were better than Doctor No
8) Bride of Frankenstein.
9) Kill Bill 2 (It actually had a farking story and character parts)
10) White Dicks, Black Chicks 12

The Bond franchise weren't really "sequels" in the strict sense of the word, though. The Bond movies don't really advance the storyline or the character, or wrap up story arcs left unfinished in previous movies. They're all unique separate stories that happen to have the same character in them.


Thats not entirely true. You only live twice, on her majesties secret service, and diamonds are forever, they all follow a story arc. And are something of a trilogy. With bond getting married and blowfeld gunning her down in ohmss. And bond hunting him down in diamonds are forever.

havent seen them in years but the 3 movies work together pretty well if I remember correctly.
 
2013-07-15 12:20:20 AM  

baka-san: Heavy Metal 2000...

(auctally kind liked it,, but anything to do with Carl Macek is to be derided)

(well, except for the english dub of Totoro)


Heavy Metal had decades of material to work with. Couldn't they have done a Druuna movie?
 
2013-07-15 12:24:36 AM  
Subby, I have to take exception with First Contact...it was the best of the TNG movies.

How did "The Crow II: City of Angels" not make the list?
 
2013-07-15 12:37:27 AM  
You shut your whore mouth, subby. First Contact was the best TNG movie!

blue_2501: The TFA's list seems to be spot on.  Some of these comments are not:

Ghostbusters 2?  Was it better than Ghostbusters?  No, but it's hard to reach that high.  It was still a good movie, though.


I've always enjoyed Ghostbusters 2, and was surprised when I saw all the people that spoke negatively about it.

But I must confess I liked Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I liked how it acknowledged Harrison Ford's advanced age, instead of pretending they're still the same person they were the last time we saw them like Star Trek: The Motion Picture did. After all, Indy himself said "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage." all the way back in Raiders.
 
2013-07-15 12:51:09 AM  
Who needs a sequel?

bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-15 12:53:56 AM  
How about Baby Geniuses 2? The first one was terrible and bombed horribly, yet they decided to make a sequel for whatever goddamn reason.
 
2013-07-15 01:19:30 AM  
List forgot The French Connection 2
 
2013-07-15 01:24:04 AM  
ALL the old Star Trek movies after Star Trek IV were crappy and hokey. Star Trek IV is also hokey, but it at least has a somewhat fun script. Every single Next Generation movie is cheesy as hell. The later OT crew movies were comedies, not scifi.

People who complain about the Trek reboot need to be reminded of the action-comedy travesties that were the last five pre-reboot Trek films.
 
2013-07-15 01:32:50 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Plant Rights Activist: CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.

well, if we're doing kids movies:

Um you are aware that those movies are ment for small kids right? I mean my 4 year old loves them. But if you are watching them as a critic and making a movie night of it. Without any kids around, you sir are a weirdo!


They took a movie that introduces children to the concept of mortality and coping with loss and decided it would be a great family fun time adventure!  WTF!  And my viewing habits are none of your business, mister.
 
2013-07-15 01:38:47 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Obviously an oversight, and completely unnecessary...

[hdmoviewpp.com image 425x265]


it gave Daft Punk a reason to write more songs and that is good enough.
 
2013-07-15 01:52:53 AM  

Keywork99: Fark all of you, I liked Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.


You can like them all you want.  They were still completely unnecessary and don't do anything to bolster the first movie.
 
2013-07-15 02:05:55 AM  

velvet_fog: I think some Farkers are confusing what they think is a 'bad' sequel with what was an 'unnecessary' sequel. Superman III and IV were awful movies, but each film that preceded it was a huge hit - why wouldn't you add another sequel? Same goes with Batman & Robin. Even Blair Witch 2, to a lesser extent. Just because it was horribly executed doesn't mean it was unnecessary. I think an exception is the Jaws series, where Jaws 2 and on were totally unnecessary.

To the list, I'd add: Jaws 2, Jaws 3-D, Gremlins 2, Ghostbusters 2, Analyze That, Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights, It Runs in the Family (sequel to A Christmas Story)


Atlas Shrugged Part II
 
2013-07-15 02:07:59 AM  
Unnecessary and bad:
 
2013-07-15 02:08:57 AM  

karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:


Let's try that again:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-15 02:13:07 AM  

greggm59: [fr.canoe.ca image 248x354]


Burn_The_Plows: No Slapshot 2?


Yeah, I came here to say that

Also, Barely Legal Deep Anal Hookers of Arkansas #38.  The first 37 were awesome but #38 was completely unneccessary
 
2013-07-15 02:15:26 AM  

karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:

Let's try that again:

[Exorcist II: The Heretic]


The only element that came close to redeeming that miserable flushing of film stock and time and money and talent was Maestro Morricone's score (which i still listen to and appreciate to this day.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlevfEi7nk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iIZb0gOmFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z96SsgLoHaY
 
2013-07-15 02:27:36 AM  

traxan: TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.

+1. FC was awesome. Dunno why they all went downhill after that.


The movies after that just felt like extra long episodes.  The thing I like about the JJ Abrahms movies is that they feel like real movies.
 
2013-07-15 02:36:57 AM  

Sinbox: karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:

Let's try that again:

[Exorcist II: The Heretic]

The only element that came close to redeeming that miserable flushing of film stock and time and money and talent was Maestro Morricone's score (which i still listen to and appreciate to this day.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlevfEi7nk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iIZb0gOmFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z96SsgLoHaY


Indeed.  Here's another terrible movie he blessed with a wonderful score that same year:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSFU75zNwI
 
2013-07-15 02:51:47 AM  
If Citizen Kane were made today, there would be 12 sequels and at least one reboot.
 
2013-07-15 03:08:52 AM  
karmachameleon:

Indeed.  Here's another terrible movie he blessed with a wonderful score that same year:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSFU75zNwI

I think he and the much-missed Jerry Goldsmith were/are  the Patron Saints of Great Music For Lackluster Films.
 
2013-07-15 04:05:26 AM  

deaccessioned: Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/


That should be http://www.whatthehellmovie.com/

/Pleased to meet ya'.
 
2013-07-15 04:43:50 AM  

blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.   (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)



people keep saying this, but it was like Frogger: The Movie. All the other action felt like a really goofy attempt to one-up the original movie's action.
 
2013-07-15 05:16:23 AM  
How is it that Oceans 12 didn't make the list. Utter pile of crap.
 
2013-07-15 05:29:29 AM  

Sinbox: karmachameleon:

Indeed.  Here's another terrible movie he blessed with a wonderful score that same year:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSFU75zNwI

I think he and the much-missed Jerry Goldsmith were/are  the Patron Saints of Great Music For Lackluster Films.


Yes, and sometimes they invite John Barry out for beers.  Couldn't find a good YouTube of that haunting "King Kong" (1976) theme he wrote, but it's stuck in my head ever since I was a little kid.  I was looking for the scene where the natives are bringing the drugged Dwan out to the offering altar, where he takes Kong's theme and speeds it up and puts it at just the right moment in the movie...chills.
 
2013-07-15 05:45:18 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.   (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)


people keep saying this, but it was like Frogger: The Movie. All the other action felt like a really goofy attempt to one-up the original movie's action.


Yes.  Apologies to the white knights, but all the criticism leveled against these movies is totally valid.  Yes, the action scenes were well done, and if that's all you're looking for then I suppose these movies are for you.  But for anyone who wants their movies to make sense, have a solid narrative, present engaging characters that you care about, build suspense and tension, contain subtext and meaning...great action scenes alone do not make a great movie.  Great action scenes need the context of some of these other things in order to make them mean something, to create stakes that make you care - truly care - about the outcome.  "The Matrix" succeeded at this in spades, with stakes that were clear and compelling.  The two followups completely failed in this respect.  I mean, what did the truck chase, spectacular as it was to watch, really mean?  What were the stakes and why did we care who won or lost?

You know, the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedis in "The Phantom Menace" was really well done too.  But it was all for naught, since the fight itself literally meant nothing between the characters (they didn't even know each other) and there were no stakes.  Without stakes there is no drama.  Why is the lightsaber fight between Luke and Vader in "The Empire Strikes Back" the best and most dramatic in the series, even though the choreography is rudimentary in comparison?  It's because the build-up to it was so meaningful - this is the untested Luke's first confrontation with the evil Sith Lord.  Hell, it's his first confrontation with any significant opponent one-on-one, after abandoning his training with Yoda halfway through.  Can he pass this test?  Even before the revelation that Vader is Luke's father, there is history here - Vader killed Luke's mentor, Obi-Wan.  Obi-Wan has told Luke that Vader killed his father.  Luke has rescued Princess Leia from Vader's clutches before, destroyed the Death Star and is committed to fight to the death against the Empire in the name of freedom and justice.  It means something - the stakes are sky high.  When Luke loses the fight, we feel it in our bones.  When Vader reveals his true parentage, that was one of the most shocking moments in cinema.  Compare to Darth Maul, Obi-Wan and Qui Gon.  Who are these guys?  What's their history together?  Why does this fight matter?  What are the stakes?  Where is the tension?  Who gives a shiat?

That's how I feel about the last two Matrix movies.  Action for action's sake; cool tech for cool tech's sake.  And, total CGI overkill to boot.  After the great drama and clever plotting of the first movie, that just wasn't good enough.
 
2013-07-15 06:10:11 AM  

karmachameleon: FeedTheCollapse: blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.   (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)


people keep saying this, but it was like Frogger: The Movie. All the other action felt like a really goofy attempt to one-up the original movie's action.

Yes.  Apologies to the white knights, but all the criticism leveled against these movies is totally valid.  Yes, the action scenes were well done, and if that's all you're looking for then I suppose these movies are for you.  But for anyone who wants their movies to make sense, have a solid narrative, present engaging characters that you care about, build suspense and tension, contain subtext and meaning...great action scenes alone do not make a great movie.  Great action scenes need the context of some of these other things in order to make them mean something, to create stakes that make you care - truly care - about the outcome.  "The Matrix" succeeded at this in spades, with stakes that were clear and compelling.  The two followups completely failed in this respect.  I mean, what did the truck chase, spectacular as it was to watch, really mean?  What were the stakes and why did we care who won or lost?

You know, the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedis in "The Phantom Menace" was really well done too.  But it was all for naught, since the fight itself literally meant nothing between the characters (they didn't even know each other) and there were no stakes.  Without stakes there is no drama.  Why is the lightsaber fight between Luke and Vader in "The Empire Strikes Back" the best and most dramatic in the series, even though the choreography is rudimentary in comparison?  It's because the build-up to it was so meaningful - this is the untested Luke's first confrontation with the evil Sith Lord.  Hell, it's his first confrontation with any significant opponent one-on-one, after abandoning his training with Yoda halfway through.  Can he pass this test?  Even before the revelation that Vader is Luke's father, there is history here - Vader killed Luke's mentor, Obi-Wan.  Obi-Wan has told Luke that Vader killed his father.  Luke has rescued Princess Leia from Vader's clutches before, destroyed the Death Star and is committed to fight to the death against the Empire in the name of freedom and justice.  It means something - the stakes are sky high.  When Luke loses the fight, we feel it in our bones.  When Vader reveals his true parentage, that was one of the most shocking moments in cinema.  Compare to Darth Maul, Obi-Wan and Qui Gon.  Who are these guys?  What's their history together?  Why does this fight matter?  What are the stakes?  Where is the tension?  Who gives a shiat?

That's how I feel about the last two Matrix movies.  Action for action's sake; cool tech for cool tech's sake.  And, total CGI overkill to boot.  After the great drama and clever plotting of the first movie, that just wasn't good enough.


How were the stakes not clear in reloaded? They definitely weren't in the third but the second is clear.
 
2013-07-15 06:38:59 AM  
If a film has several useless sequels then it does have a use.  It's a cash cow.
Whoring out your franchise is unfortunate but part of Hollywood.
Whoring out your franchise to EPIC FAIL, effectively killing it is another.

Case in point:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-07-15 06:47:09 AM  

TheManofPA: What other Matrix...




Came for this.

Thinking about this.

img002.lazygirls.info
 
2013-07-15 07:29:28 AM  

thecpt: How were the stakes not clear in reloaded? They definitely weren't in the third but the second is clear.


Well, I didn't understand them.  I only saw the movie once, when it opened in theaters, so I'm hardly in a position to analyze it today.  But I remember walking out as confused and disappointed as I ever have for a movie, and I certainly didn't feel any tension or drama while watching it.  Why don't you tell me what the stakes were?  And I don't mean the fact of humanity almost being extinguished by the machines, I get that part of it.  But how does each action scene relate to that in the larger scheme of things, as well as with the characters we've come to know and care about?

For example, when Neo fights Agent Smith in the subway in "The Matrix", the stakes are extremely clear.  Neo's escape route has been destroyed, and he can choose to run or fight.  If he chooses to fight, he will almost certainly lose, because the Agents are nigh near invincible.  His life is on the line, but he chooses to fight.  That's very exciting!  The stakes:  if Neo wins, he will have vanquished a great enemy, and if he loses, he will die and our heroes will have lost who they think is "the chosen one" as an ally.  Furthermore, Trinity is clearly smitten with Neo by this point.  Those are clear stakes.  As we watch Neo gain ground on Agent Smith, we cheer him on - he is learning how powerful he really is inside the Matrix, gaining confidence.  But Smith in the end is too powerful for him and appears to beat him, until Neo makes a last second move to gain victory and eliminate his enemy.  Hurray, he won!  But then Smith proves he is invincible after all.  Oh no, you really can't kill an agent!  All you can ever hope for with them is a draw!  The drama and tension in this scene is unbearable and makes the subsequent chase, seeming defeat and ultimate victory in the climax so much sweeter.  The subway scene serves as tension, release and setup all in one fell swoop.  It's brilliant, not just for the action, but for what the action means.

In "The Matrix Reloaded", Neo is now Superman inside the Matrix.  This was a tactical mistake on the part of the writers.  How do you create drama and tension with a character who essentially can't be harmed?  So, he fights a thousand Agent Smiths or whatever - what does that scene mean?  Why are they fighting?  How did it fit into the larger scheme of things?  What was at stake specifically during that scene?  If Neo lost, what would happen?  Can he even lose, or is he like the agents?  We don't really know.  If Smith loses, how does that affect things?  Wait, wasn't Smith destroyed before our very eyes in the first movie?  Hm, he's explaining how he could come back for this movie...but it doesn't make any sense!  Should I care about this character?  How can I care when I don't understand why he's there?  In "The Matrix", it was all very fantastical but it all made sense and the exposition had logic.  Here, there's no logic.  How can you have stakes and drama when there isn't logic?  How can I care about it if it doesn't make sense?

I mean, come on - how come I can't shake the feeling it was a fight against a thousand Smiths just because they had to one-up the first movie, and they had made Neo so powerful that they didn't know how else to challenge him?  That was all I could think while watching that scene.  And when it was over...hm.  What happened?  Why did it matter?  If the scene had been removed entirely, would the movie miss it?
 
2013-07-15 07:44:16 AM  
To prompt my memory, I looked up the Wikipedia plot description:

"In Zion, Morpheus announces the news of the advancing machines to the people. Neo receives a message from the Oracle and returns to the Matrix to her bodyguard Seraph, who then leads them to her. After realizing that the Oracle is part of the Matrix, Neo asks how he can trust her; she replies that it is his decision. The Oracle instructs Neo to reach the Source of the Matrix by finding the Keymaker, a prisoner of the Merovingian. As the Oracle departs, Smith appears, telling Neo that after being defeated, he refused to be deleted, and is now a rogue program. He demonstrates his ability to clone himself using other people in the Matrix, including other Agents, as hosts. He then tries to absorb Neo as a host, but fails, prompting a battle between Smith's clones and Neo. Neo manages to defend himself, but is forced to retreat from the increasingly overwhelming numbers.
Neo, Morpheus and Trinity visit the Merovingian and ask for the Keymaker, but the Merovingian refuses. His wife Persephone, tired of her husband's attitude, betrays him and leads the trio to the Keymaker. The Merovingian soon arrives with his men. Morpheus, Trinity and the Keymaker escape, while Neo holds off the Merovingian's servants. Morpheus and Trinity try to escape with the Keymaker on the highway, facing several Agents and The Twins. Morpheus defeats The Twins; Trinity escapes, and Neo flies in to save Morpheus and the Keymaker."

lol, compared to the original film, that is completely preposterous and worse, not relatable to a normal person.  The original movie, bizarre sci-fi setting and all, used the common theme of the ordinary man placed into extraordinary circumstances.  He learns, he grows - we can all identify with this as we have all been faced with challenges where we had to learn about something that felt overwhelming to us.  What is he learning and growing into in Reloaded?  How is he relatable any longer, being Superman and all?  How is our protagonist any different at the end of the movie than he was at the beginning?  In the first movie, it was night and day, from corporate lackey to ferocious freedom fighter.  In Reloaded, he goes from what to what?

Anyway, sorry for rambling.  I'm bored at work.  :-)
 
2013-07-15 07:44:41 AM  

blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever. (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)


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Thank you for playing here's your rice a roni, rice a roni, the san francisco treat


Ronin FTW
 
2013-07-15 07:52:11 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Obviously an oversight, and completely unnecessary...

[hdmoviewpp.com image 425x265]


The main problem with that production was the casting of that douchecanoe as Flynn's kid. From there on it was all downhill. That was some Hayden Christensen as Vader level fail.
 
2013-07-15 07:53:39 AM  

Fano: Yeah, and I PLAYED Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, which SHOULD have been Indy 4.


That game was so awesome
 
2013-07-15 08:06:31 AM  

deaccessioned: Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/


Holy carp, a Michael Pare sighting!
 
2013-07-15 08:13:33 AM  

karmachameleon: To prompt my memory, I looked up the Wikipedia plot description:

"In Zion, Morpheus announces the news of the advancing machines to the people. Neo receives a message from the Oracle and returns to the Matrix to her bodyguard Seraph, who then leads them to her. After realizing that the Oracle is part of the Matrix, Neo asks how he can trust her; she replies that it is his decision. The Oracle instructs Neo to reach the Source of the Matrix by finding the Keymaker, a prisoner of the Merovingian. As the Oracle departs, Smith appears, telling Neo that after being defeated, he refused to be deleted, and is now a rogue program. He demonstrates his ability to clone himself using other people in the Matrix, including other Agents, as hosts. He then tries to absorb Neo as a host, but fails, prompting a battle between Smith's clones and Neo. Neo manages to defend himself, but is forced to retreat from the increasingly overwhelming numbers.
Neo, Morpheus and Trinity visit the Merovingian and ask for the Keymaker, but the Merovingian refuses. His wife Persephone, tired of her husband's attitude, betrays him and leads the trio to the Keymaker. The Merovingian soon arrives with his men. Morpheus, Trinity and the Keymaker escape, while Neo holds off the Merovingian's servants. Morpheus and Trinity try to escape with the Keymaker on the highway, facing several Agents and The Twins. Morpheus defeats The Twins; Trinity escapes, and Neo flies in to save Morpheus and the Keymaker."

lol, compared to the original film, that is completely preposterous and worse, not relatable to a normal person.  The original movie, bizarre sci-fi setting and all, used the common theme of the ordinary man placed into extraordinary circumstances.  He learns, he grows - we can all identify with this as we have all been faced with challenges where we had to learn about something that felt overwhelming to us.  What is he learning and growing into in Reloaded?  How is he relatable any longer, being Superman ...



So, what you are saying is that people will be killing each other over The Matrix in 2000 years?
 
2013-07-15 08:13:45 AM  

Shostie: Here's the list.

Basic Instinct 2
Blues Brothers 2000
Blair Witch 2
Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason
Caddyshack 2
Crocodile Dundee in LA
Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry met Lloyd
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer
Indiana Jones and the Refrigerator of Life
Jaws: The Revenge
Scary Movie 2
Son of the Mask
Speed 2
U.S. Marshal
The Whole 10 Yards

All in all, I don't think this is a bad list by any means.


Not a bad list, but not entirely original either. Most of these were obvious, low hanging fruit that we didn't need to click a slideshow to discover.
 
2013-07-15 08:15:28 AM  

quatchi: For those who don't do slideshows list is as follows...

1. Basic Instinct II
2. Blues Brothers 2000
3. Blair Witch 2
4. Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason
5 Caddyshack II
6. Crocodile Dundee in LA
7. Dumb and Dumberer.
8. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.
9. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
10. Jaws: The Revenge.
11. Scary Movie 2
12. Son of The Mask
13. Speed 2
14. US Marshals.
15. The Whole Ten Yards.


Those all seem reasonable EXCEPT #14. US Marshals was a fine movie, nothing amazing, but by no means awful.
 
2013-07-15 08:47:01 AM  

karmachameleon: In "The Matrix Reloaded", Neo is now Superman inside the Matrix. This was a tactical mistake on the part of the writers. How do you create drama and tension with a character who essentially can't be harmed?


He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."

So, he fights a thousand Agent Smiths or whatever - what does that scene mean? Why are they fighting?

Smith tried to absorb him, and he kind of hates Neo.  Neo is also the most powerful being in the Matrix so he wants to kill him.

How did it fit into the larger scheme of things? What was at stake specifically during that scene? If Neo lost, what would happen?

Smith would succeed in dominating the matrix, and a free matrix is humanity's only hope for survival.

Can he even lose, or is he like the agents? We don't really know.

We do kind of know, and later he describes the fight (and the copying thing) as if he were dying.

If Smith loses, how does that affect things? Wait, wasn't Smith destroyed before our very eyes in the first movie? Hm, he's explaining how he could come back for this movie...but it doesn't make any sense! Should I care about this character? How can I care when I don't understand why he's there?

He's a rogue program.  In one of the very first scenes he explains that Neo freed him.  Now he is doing nefarious things within the Matrix.  Smith can't lose much like a virus that has copied itself within your registries so if you delete it once it is still there (and the struggle is much like how the machines have repeatedly destroyed the humans to that point).  Smith is an oddity.  After being defeated he never returned to the (I can't remember what its called) center of the Matrix for deletion.  In this film we learn that Neo is in fact unique from his predecessors and his relationship with the Matrix (and its inhabitants) is also unique.

In "The Matrix", it was all very fantastical but it all made sense and the exposition had logic. Here, there's no logic. How can you have stakes and drama when there isn't logic? How can I care about it if it doesn't make sense?

It does, but you have to think of the Matrix as more of a system and less like reality.  Which could be a very different train of thought then most are used to.

I mean, come on - how come I can't shake the feeling it was a fight against a thousand Smiths just because they had to one-up the first movie, and they had made Neo so powerful that they didn't know how else to challenge him? That was all I could think while watching that scene. And when it was over...hm. What happened? Why did it matter? If the scene had been removed entirely, would the movie miss it?

It mattered because it proved Neo couldn't punch his way through it.  He would need help from everyone, and find alternate ways to handle problems.  It helped increase the tension and drama by proving he could die.  The "it is inevitable" is also alluding to a theme.

The plot could appear to be preposterous if you didn't understand the above.

karmachameleon: What is he learning and growing into in Reloaded?


He learned that he can't save humanity and everything his mentor (morpheus) taught him was built on a false premise (this is like an empire strikes back in terms of relative 2nd movies in trilogies).  He also would rather sacrifice the meager 21 person survival of the human race for a chance to save his love.  Fark everything else, he chose the human option.

How is he relatable any longer, being Superman and all? How is our protagonist any different at the end of the movie than he was at the beginning? In the first movie, it was night and day, from corporate lackey to ferocious freedom fighter. In Reloaded, he goes from what to what?

He goes from superman messiah to a talented guy who can't handle it all, but has a lot of people depending on him.  Maybe its better for a younger generation leaving high school or college or anyone with a leadership role.  He also sacrificed a great deal in order to pursue a love, something I feel many humans have done.

I don't understand why you have to call this white knighting.  Understanding movies is a large part of being entertained by them.  I've learned to enjoy a couple of films by speaking with fans about what they like about it.  Neither of us are perfect at interpreting movies either, nor are we authorities, but this movie had a lot more to it than people remember and should by no means be associated with the third.  The third one just falls apart, and couldn't meet any of the expectations that fans had after the conclusion of Reloaded.

It's a movie I really like, and if you talk about it seriously as you've done then I'll try to help with my answers.
 
2013-07-15 08:50:13 AM  

Bauer: first contact was a great film.


If by that you mean you think turning Jean-Luc Picard into John McClane was in any way a good idea. Star Trek: Die Hard basically put the franchise on a downward spiral of getting increasingly far from anything resembling its origins.

The Borg were a one-note villain who should've stayed buried after The Best of Both Worlds, everyone was suddenly acting out of character in order to make the plot go, and James Cromwell playing a drunk was about the only interesting part for the two hours of bleh that followed the opening space battle.

But hey, it was still better than Nemesis or Insurrection. I've been warming to Generations lately but it still stumbles over its silly and contrived plot.
 
2013-07-15 09:05:24 AM  

post0089: If we can go from this:



To these:



I am all for another sequel to that last summer movie.


There was a third film. "I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer".

Do not watch it, unless you really need teleporting undead fishermen in your life.
 
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