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(HitFix)   The fifteen most useless sequels of all time. Missing from the list: The last two Matrix films and Star Trek: First Contact   (hitfix.com) divider line 246
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2013-07-14 05:16:32 PM  
Not only a slideshow, but a busted slideshow.  Thanks, subs.
 
2013-07-14 05:17:35 PM  
What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.
 
2013-07-14 05:19:26 PM  

TheManofPA: What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.


Poe's law?
 
2013-07-14 05:19:55 PM  
Of those sequels I've seen:
Speed 2: Cruise Control
Scary Movie 2
Jaws the Revenge
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer
Caddyshack 2
 
2013-07-14 05:21:10 PM  
Caine famously quipped, "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific!

I love that quote.
 
2013-07-14 05:21:50 PM  

thamike: Not only a slideshow, but a busted slideshow.  Thanks, subs.


yeah. and when you deslidefy it you only get 10 items.

-1
 
2013-07-14 05:24:44 PM  
I don't think that there was a franchise to really kill for some of those.

Son of the Mask and Blues Brothers 2000 came out long after the originals, and it's not like there were other ones in between.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:13 PM  
First Contact? Troll harder subtard.
 
2013-07-14 05:29:42 PM  
That said, a Mask movie that was as farked up as the comics would be fun.
 
2013-07-14 05:38:18 PM  
Can't even deslidify the slideshow properly? That's a link de-listing to red (if there was such a thing)

/fark slideshows
//fark broken slideshows
///but not slashies
 
2013-07-14 05:51:08 PM  

Aarontology: I don't think that there was a franchise to really kill for some of those.

Son of the Mask and Blues Brothers 2000 came out long after the originals, and it's not like there were other ones in between.


True.  The only thing franchise-y about BB2K is that it coincides with the early building up of the House of Blues franchise.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:28 PM  
Dumber and Dumberest and Dumbestererererererererererest
 
2013-07-14 05:55:59 PM  

FriarReb98: Aarontology: I don't think that there was a franchise to really kill for some of those.

Son of the Mask and Blues Brothers 2000 came out long after the originals, and it's not like there were other ones in between.

True.  The only thing franchise-y about BB2K is that it coincides with the early building up of the House of Blues franchise.


I often hear about movie sequels everyone said were bad and wonder, "is it really that bad? I loved the original, I should give it a chance!" Blues Brothers 2000, which I still have yet to see, is not one of those sequels.
 
2013-07-14 05:57:55 PM  

thamike: Not only a slideshow, but a busted slideshow.  Thanks, subs.


By all means, take the time to whine about it, but don't do the rest of us a favor and take 5 whole seconds to deslide it. Truly, that would be a waste of your stellar intellect and precious resources.

Deslidified.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:29 PM  

whistleridge: thamike: Not only a slideshow, but a busted slideshow.  Thanks, subs.

By all means, take the time to whine about it, but don't do the rest of us a favor and take 5 whole seconds to deslide it. Truly, that would be a waste of your stellar intellect and precious resources.

Deslidified.


well, your attempt to deslidefy it failed twice. yet when it does work, you only get 10 items.
massive fail all around, and not a false alarm when it was reported as a broken link.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:45 PM  
fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.
 
2013-07-14 06:14:59 PM  

Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.


It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.
 
2013-07-14 06:16:13 PM  

Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY! Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!


The Borg are terrible villains. The one saving grace of First Contact was Stewart's speech and James Cromwell.

/will never understand the hate for slideshows
 
2013-07-14 06:17:41 PM  
first contact was a great film.
 
2013-07-14 06:24:51 PM  

show me: FriarReb98: Aarontology: I don't think that there was a franchise to really kill for some of those.

Son of the Mask and Blues Brothers 2000 came out long after the originals, and it's not like there were other ones in between.

True.  The only thing franchise-y about BB2K is that it coincides with the early building up of the House of Blues franchise.

I often hear about movie sequels everyone said were bad and wonder, "is it really that bad? I loved the original, I should give it a chance!" Blues Brothers 2000, which I still have yet to see, is not one of those sequels.


I worship the first movie.  I really can't say you're wrong for not seeing the second one.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:45 PM  
For those who don't do slideshows list is as follows...

1. Basic Instinct II
2. Blues Brothers 2000
3. Blair Witch 2
4. Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason
5 Caddyshack II
6. Crocodile Dundee in LA
7. Dumb and Dumberer.
8. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.
9. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
10. Jaws: The Revenge.
11. Scary Movie 2
12. Son of The Mask
13. Speed 2
14. US Marshals.
15. The Whole Ten Yards.
 
2013-07-14 06:57:48 PM  
You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.
 
2013-07-14 07:08:57 PM  

FriarReb98: I worship the first movie. I really can't say you're wrong for not seeing the second one.


Yeah, the original is in my all time top ten. Thank you for confirming that the sequel is not good.

/Oh, hell, I'll probably see it some time anyway and be disappointed.
 
2013-07-14 07:16:44 PM  
Highlander 2
Predator 2

/got nothin'
 
2013-07-14 07:19:06 PM  

show me: FriarReb98: I worship the first movie. I really can't say you're wrong for not seeing the second one.

Yeah, the original is in my all time top ten. Thank you for confirming that the sequel is not good.

/Oh, hell, I'll probably see it some time anyway and be disappointed.


You sound like a younger me, before I watched it.
 
2013-07-14 07:21:08 PM  

whistleridge: thamike: Not only a slideshow, but a busted slideshow.  Thanks, subs.

By all means, take the time to whine about it, but don't do the rest of us a favor and take 5 whole seconds to deslide it. Truly, that would be a waste of your stellar intellect and precious resources.

Deslidified.


And here I had taken the high road, and not told you that your blog sucks.
 
2013-07-14 07:23:07 PM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.


Seconded.

"Useless sequel" to me implies that the original movie was good or useful is some way. Godfather I and II definitely qualify.

By that definition a couple of the movies that spawned those sequels on that list don't qualify.

/Looking at you, Crocodile Dundee.
 
2013-07-14 07:29:30 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.


Not exactly a high bar to clear.

However, I have to say I loved both Matrix sequels. Reloaded more so than Revolutions, but I'm not adverse to either.
 
2013-07-14 07:34:03 PM  
Heavy Metal 2000...

(auctally kind liked it,, but anything to do with Carl Macek is to be derided)

(well, except for the english dub of Totoro)
 
2013-07-14 07:40:02 PM  

SurfaceTension: TuteTibiImperes: It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.

Not exactly a high bar to clear.


I agree. Both of the Abrahms movies are better than the TNG ones, though First Contact may rank up as an equal.
 
2013-07-14 07:49:26 PM  
If we can go from this:

postgradproblems.com

To these:

postgradproblems.com

I am all for another sequel to that last summer movie.
 
2013-07-14 07:49:33 PM  

baka-san: Heavy Metal 2000...

(auctally kind liked it,, but anything to do with Carl Macek is to be derided)

(well, except for the english dub of Totoro)


i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 07:57:02 PM  
I LIKED FIRST CONTACT
 
2013-07-14 07:57:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.


It was definitely better than Generations and Star Trek Into Darkness.  God that last one was mediocre.

But then I shouldn't judged. I enjoyed Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull.  Didn't enjoy Temple of Doom.
 
2013-07-14 08:00:13 PM  

BravadoGT: Highlander 2
Predator 2

/got nothin'


There was no Highlander 2.  I've never heard of it.  Seen it. When I google it, the screen goes black, the room darkens and I hear a primal scream of terror and wake up on the floor in a fetal position, sobbing.

There is no Highlander 2.
 
2013-07-14 08:05:36 PM  
calbert
well, your attempt to deslidefy it failed twice. yet when it does work, you only get 10 items.


Works now.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:06 PM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.


The three movies actually work together in a "tragedy" sense.  Thematically, it worked really well.  But part of Michael Corleone attraction was that he always came out on top, despite rough times and drastic losses.

Michaels final push to become completely legitimate and protect his family is undone by the choices he made in life.  For killing his brothers, his ultimate suffering was the loss of his daughter, his rejection by his son,  the continuation of the family crime ways and outliving everyone he loved.

On top of that...the one honest man he tried to protect, the pope, was murdered. He was perhaps the one man who could have led Michael to redemption and salvation. His way of life finally caught up to him in the final act.

And people really hated it because Michael finally had to pay for his sins.  That and it was rushed into production, something that even Coppla admits that he really wanted do do a few more drafts.  He also had to deal with the fact that Al Pichino and Diane Keaton broke up during the filming, where the original script had Kaye and Michael reuniting. After their brake up, they had to rewrite that subplot because there was no way Keaton and Picino could be romanitic.
 
2013-07-14 08:17:03 PM  
Starship Troopers 2 not on the list?
 
2013-07-14 08:22:35 PM  

The English Major: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY! Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

The Borg are terrible villains. The one saving grace of First Contact was Stewart's speech and James Cromwell.


It's better than Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis.

The English Major: /will never understand the hate for slideshows


The only ones I TRULY hate are the ones where it wants to reload the ENTIRE page between slides.
 
2013-07-14 08:23:33 PM  

Shostie: The only ones I TRULY hate are the ones where it wants to reload the ENTIRE page between slides.


Those are the worst.
 
2013-07-14 08:23:52 PM  
Not only did "Nursing Home Honeys IV: Granny's Old Coontry Buffet" rehash most of the same setups, it actually lifted word for word dialogue from the seminal "Nursing Home Honeys III: Gang Bingo? Gang BANGO!"
 
2013-07-14 08:27:15 PM  
dislikes "best of" "top ten" "viewer favorites" etc.

/the masses and I disagree wildly
 
2013-07-14 08:30:39 PM  

FriarReb98: show me: FriarReb98: I worship the first movie. I really can't say you're wrong for not seeing the second one.

Yeah, the original is in my all time top ten. Thank you for confirming that the sequel is not good.

/Oh, hell, I'll probably see it some time anyway and be disappointed.

You sound like a younger me, before I watched it.


We have the same opinions as you, but "younger" is never a word to describe me anymore

/50 and feeling it
 
2013-07-14 08:34:50 PM  
Here's the list.

Basic Instinct 2
Blues Brothers 2000
Blair Witch 2
Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason
Caddyshack 2
Crocodile Dundee in LA
Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry met Lloyd
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer
Indiana Jones and the Refrigerator of Life
Jaws: The Revenge
Scary Movie 2
Son of the Mask
Speed 2
U.S. Marshal
The Whole 10 Yards

All in all, I don't think this is a bad list by any means.
 
2013-07-14 08:37:51 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Not only did "Nursing Home Honeys IV: Granny's Old Coontry Buffet" rehash most of the same setups, it actually lifted word for word dialogue from the seminal "Nursing Home Honeys III: Gang Bingo? Gang BANGO!"


[spittake.gif]

You slay me with that stuff. Good job!
 
2013-07-14 08:48:53 PM  

TheManofPA: What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-14 08:50:36 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: TheManofPA: What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]


That actually came out a year before Matrix. The worse part of it was the fact they had an "explain everything" narration in front of the movie, instead of rolling it out within them movie.
 
2013-07-14 08:53:06 PM  
No, you're thinking of all the other Star Trek movies after IV. First Contact was pretty good; it's probably the reason Trek stayed relevant for the rest of the 90s.
 
2013-07-14 08:55:23 PM  
Of the list, I've only seen US Marshals and Blair Witch 2 - I enjoyed US Marshals in an inconsequential popcorn Sunday night cable movie way and I actually prefer Blair Witch 2 to the original - it may have been cliched and silly but at least it wasn't boring.
 
2013-07-14 08:56:42 PM  
Ghostbusters 2
Both Matrix sequels
Really any Jaws sequel
Superman 3 and 4
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
Highlander 2

There, I just crapped out a better list than the link had...that was a tough 5 minutes
 
2013-07-14 08:58:46 PM  
When is Sky Captain 2 coming out?
 
2013-07-14 09:00:35 PM  
Hey! U.S. Marshals rocked. Extra points for having Downey as the heavy.
 
2013-07-14 09:05:53 PM  
No Slapshot 2?
 
2013-07-14 09:06:54 PM  
www.joblo.com
 
2013-07-14 09:10:18 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: TheManofPA: What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]


www.dvd-covers.org
 
2013-07-14 09:19:52 PM  
Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/
 
2013-07-14 09:22:37 PM  

violentsalvation: First Contact? Troll harder subtard.


seriously, what the fark could you have against that movie
 
2013-07-14 09:24:59 PM  
Hi guyz, what's going on in this thread?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-14 09:25:55 PM  

deaccessioned: Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/


I'm gonna kill sumbudy
 
2013-07-14 09:28:47 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
I'm guessing the author had adamantium bullet-induced amnesia and forgot to put this on the list.

/Seriously, how do you fark up this movie?
//GAMBIT DOESN'T CLIMB WALLS.
 
2013-07-14 09:31:41 PM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.


Part III would have been so good if only they'd finished the arc like they were going to (or so the legend goes), which was to have the final showdown between Michael and Tom Hagen. But they didn't want to pay Robert Duvall what he was obviously worth, so he wouldn't be in the movie; and instead we got the awful mishmash that led to there being a Godfather IV: Electric Boogaloo II.
 
2013-07-14 09:32:27 PM  
 Not a sequel, but perhaps the most useless movie of all time.

/unless you want to prove Hitchcock > Van Sant
 
2013-07-14 09:32:42 PM  
I think some Farkers are confusing what they think is a 'bad' sequel with what was an 'unnecessary' sequel. Superman III and IV were awful movies, but each film that preceded it was a huge hit - why wouldn't you add another sequel? Same goes with Batman & Robin. Even Blair Witch 2, to a lesser extent. Just because it was horribly executed doesn't mean it was unnecessary. I think an exception is the Jaws series, where Jaws 2 and on were totally unnecessary.

To the list, I'd add: Jaws 2, Jaws 3-D, Gremlins 2, Ghostbusters 2, Analyze That, Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights, It Runs in the Family (sequel to A Christmas Story)
 
2013-07-14 09:33:51 PM  
baka-san:
I'm gonna kill sumbudy

Do it in a sledgehammer fight and no sane jury would convict.
 
2013-07-14 09:34:47 PM  

TheManofPA: What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.


Exactly.
 
2013-07-14 09:34:54 PM  

violentsalvation: First Contact? Troll harder subtard.


Maybe subby meant Nemesis?
 
2013-07-14 09:35:49 PM  

velvet_fog: I think some Farkers are confusing what they think is a 'bad' sequel with what was an 'unnecessary' sequel. Superman III and IV were awful movies, but each film that preceded it was a huge hit - why wouldn't you add another sequel? Same goes with Batman & Robin. Even Blair Witch 2, to a lesser extent. Just because it was horribly executed doesn't mean it was unnecessary. I think an exception is the Jaws series, where Jaws 2 and on were totally unnecessary.

To the list, I'd add: Jaws 2, Jaws 3-D, Gremlins 2, Ghostbusters 2, Analyze That, Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights, It Runs in the Family (sequel to A Christmas Story)


NO. G2 was FAR better than the first movie. And not just  better, actually  fun.

/Seriously
 
2013-07-14 09:36:30 PM  
First Contact a useless sequel? I think you misspelled "The Undiscovered Country".
 
2013-07-14 09:38:12 PM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.


Yep.  If memory serves me right, Coppola didn't want to make the movie, and when they did, they produced something completely different from the original two,which were absolute classics.

show me: I often hear about movie sequels everyone said were bad and wonder, "is it really that bad? I loved the original, I should give it a chance!" Blues Brothers 2000, which I still have yet to see, is not one of those sequels.


I had the misfortune of coming across that steaming pile by accident.  Belushi must have rolled over in his grave.
 
2013-07-14 09:39:03 PM  

feanorn: NO. G2 was FAR better than the first movie. And not just  better, actually  fun.

/Seriously


That is one of the few movies geared towards kids that got WAYYY better when I watched it as an adult...I actually got the point they were making, heh heh
 
2013-07-14 09:40:21 PM  
How is Return of the Jedi not on there?
 
2013-07-14 09:40:22 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: There is no Highlander 2.


This is true.

I once had a horrible nightmare that there was this thing called Mad Max Beyond Thundersomething or other.  Vivid as hell.  Such a thing would certainly have made this list if it existed.  I am glad that it does not.

Oh, and Godfather III would've been decent if it weren't, you know, a f*cking Godfather movie.  Big shoes, and what not.
 
2013-07-14 09:40:36 PM  
Fark all of you, I liked Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.
 
2013-07-14 09:42:07 PM  
No Breaking 2: Electric Boogaloo?  Y'all are slippin'
 
2013-07-14 09:42:11 PM  
What about District 10?
 
2013-07-14 09:43:47 PM  

BravadoGT: Predator 2


Unnecessary sequel, yes. Still worth it for Danny Glover being (unintentionally) hilarious, and Gary Busey.

The cabinet of alien skulls in the Predator ship was also really cool.
 

/eat this, pussyface!
 
2013-07-14 09:44:03 PM  

HempHead: Quantum Apostrophe: TheManofPA: What other Matrix film? I wouldn't count Animatrix as a sequel either; it was good anime followup though. Not sure what other one you are referencing.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

[www.dvd-covers.org image 850x571]


Thanks, looks awesome. Never heard of it.
 
2013-07-14 09:45:26 PM  

whistleridge: thamike: Not only a slideshow, but a busted slideshow.  Thanks, subs.

By all means, take the time to whine about it, but don't do the rest of us a favor and take 5 whole seconds to deslide it. Truly, that would be a waste of your stellar intellect and precious resources.

Deslidified.


FAIL
 
2013-07-14 09:45:59 PM  
American Pie 2-54 maybe? everytime you masterbate American pie has a Sequal.
 
2013-07-14 09:46:14 PM  
Matrix reloaded has like a 75 on rt and is by no means a bad movie. Anyone who says is is bad as an absolute is a farking idiot.
 
2013-07-14 09:47:19 PM  
Also, not news people don't know the difference between a prequel and a sequel.
 
2013-07-14 09:47:28 PM  

The English Major: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY! Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

The Borg are terrible villains. The one saving grace of First Contact was Stewart's speech and James Cromwell.

/will never understand the hate for slideshows


They fark up people's older browsers
They fark up people older computers
They fark with people who have slower internet connections
They're purposely designed to generate more ad revenue through page clicks and give less information per click

That's why. No one likes getting screwed with.
/first contact was pretty damn good though
//especially where Picard shows Lily the window into SPAAAAAACE!
/// it's my first ray gun
 
2013-07-14 09:47:35 PM  
I realize do to the title of the original that this was inevitable but The Never Ending Story II.
 
2013-07-14 09:47:36 PM  

deaccessioned: I'm gonna kill sumbudy

Do it in a sledgehammer fight and no sane jury would convict.


I do look good in black leather, and have a black motorcycle
 
2013-07-14 09:49:09 PM  
Blues brothers 2000 at least had some good music but Christmas vacation 2 with Eddie was pure sewage. Same with van wilder 2.
 
2013-07-14 09:49:29 PM  
Blues Brothers 2000 may have been a rehash of the first movie's plot, as well as missing Belushi and adding an annoying kid, but it still has some high points. There is still a great collection of musicians on display throughout the film and an excellent soundtrack.
 
2013-07-14 09:50:53 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: BravadoGT: Highlander 2
Predator 2

/got nothin'

There was no Highlander 2.  I've never heard of it.  Seen it. When I google it, the screen goes black, the room darkens and I hear a primal scream of terror and wake up on the floor in a fetal position, sobbing.

There is no Highlander 2.


Came to say this, but you have covered all the bases.  There was no Highlander 2, so there is no reason to be upset that it didn't make this list.
 
2013-07-14 09:51:54 PM  
I'm a pretty big fan of movies, and I had no idea there was a third Crocodile Dundee movie. Weird.

And good lord, Jaws 4 is so bad it knocks Jaws 3D right off the list. That's some primo suckage.

As was kind of noted above, pretty much all sequels are useless. How about City Slickers 2: The Legend Of Curly's Gold, King Kong Lives, Weekend At Bernie's 2, or any of the sequels to Tremors and The Crow?

I appreciate the attempt at a defense of Godfather 3, but that movie is riddled with problems and is so far below the first two it's hardly worth mentioning. From the hammy Pacino performance to Sofia Coppola that film sucks in so many directions. The lack of Tom Hagen alone makes Godfather 3 seem like the world's most extravagant fan film rather than a genuine continuation of the story.

What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.
 
2013-07-14 09:53:19 PM  

velvet_fog: It Runs in the Family (sequel to A Christmas Story)


img.photobucket.com

WHY???


quatchi: 8. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.


Shouldn't that title be "I Still Know What You Did Summer Before Last"?
 
2013-07-14 09:56:07 PM  
The English Major: The one saving grace of First Contact was Stewart's speech and James Cromwell  and Jerry motherf**kin' Goldsmith.

You're welcome.

/Great film
 
2013-07-14 09:56:09 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.


Personally, I loved Short Circuit 2.
 
2013-07-14 09:56:54 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: And good lord, Jaws 4 is so bad it knocks Jaws 3D right off the list.


Fun fact, saw Jaws 3D in the theater, with glasses and all

Yeah, old
 
2013-07-14 09:59:09 PM  
Blues Brothers was a horrible movie that's only redeemed by people who like the music in it. It's a stupid plot with some stupid gags surrounding a basic flaw. But somehow it's a classic, so of course they made a sequelish second movie. They probably would have done the sequel in the 80's if the wrong Belushi hadn't died.

At least the world has forgotten the whole Revenge of the Nerds franchise. Probably because the nerds won reality.
 
2013-07-14 09:59:33 PM  

baka-san: thatguyoverthere70: And good lord, Jaws 4 is so bad it knocks Jaws 3D right off the list.

Fun fact, saw Jaws 3D in the theater, with glasses and all

Yeah, old


Me too! And Jaws 4 remains the only movie I walked out on and got my money back.
 
2013-07-14 09:59:36 PM  

HempHead: [www.joblo.com image 580x895]


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-14 10:00:08 PM  

SurfaceTension: TuteTibiImperes: It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.

Not exactly a high bar to clear.


Agreed.


However, I have to say I loved both Matrix sequels. Reloaded more so than Revolutions, but I'm not adverse to either.

Half agreed. In the 2nd movie that whole sequence from Neo's stairway fight with the Merovingian's goons to the colliding semis at the end of the freeway chase is full of nothing but win, imo. I have a hard time recalling anything in the 3rd movie that even comes close to that.
 
2013-07-14 10:05:49 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: I'm a pretty big fan of movies, and I had no idea there was a third Crocodile Dundee movie. Weird.

And good lord, Jaws 4 is so bad it knocks Jaws 3D right off the list. That's some primo suckage.

As was kind of noted above, pretty much all sequels are useless. How about City Slickers 2: The Legend Of Curly's Gold, King Kong Lives, Weekend At Bernie's 2, or any of the sequels to Tremors and The Crow?

I appreciate the attempt at a defense of Godfather 3, but that movie is riddled with problems and is so far below the first two it's hardly worth mentioning. From the hammy Pacino performance to Sofia Coppola that film sucks in so many directions. The lack of Tom Hagen alone makes Godfather 3 seem like the world's most extravagant fan film rather than a genuine continuation of the story.

What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.




Paul Hogan actually financed the 3rd movie by selling shares to the public and now flips houses with his co-star in Malibu.
http://www.celebdigs.com/celebrities/paul_hogan/paul_hogan_malibu_est a te_crocodile_dundee_mansion_020513.php
 
2013-07-14 10:08:39 PM  
Star Trek: First Contact was a serviceable-but-uninspired action movie. It used a few Star Trek elements, like the holodeck, in creative ways (if you don't think too hard). And that's true of the entire plot, really. It holds together- if you don't think too hard. Which is fine, for a generic action movie. I quite liked  Lockdown, for example (aka  Escape From NY: In SPACE). But one would hope that Star Trek could do more.

Still, it's the only remotely watchable TNG-cast movie, so it's got that going for it, I suppose.
 
2013-07-14 10:12:48 PM  
The opening scene of Scary Movie 2 is the only redeeming quality of the entire franchise.

Seriously. Turn it off once the main plot starts, but check out the beginning.
 
2013-07-14 10:14:30 PM  
Say what you want about the 3rd Matrix move, but it's pretty hard to argue that it was unnecessary. Can you imagine the nerdrage if they HADN'T wrapped things up?


t3knomanser: Star Trek: First Contact was a serviceable-but-uninspired action movie. It used a few Star Trek elements, like the holodeck, in creative ways (if you don't think too hard).


My main question has always been why didn't they just replicate some machine guns? Or bring some up from Earth.


t3knomanser: for a generic action movie. I quite liked  Lockdown, for example (aka  Escape From NY: In SPACE).


Cool, I've been meaning to check that one out. Streaming on Netflix, I think.
 
2013-07-14 10:14:53 PM  
Also missing about 95% of the infamous Disney sequels
 
2013-07-14 10:17:32 PM  

baka-san: I do look good in black leather, and have a black motorcycle


Going the Willem Dafoe route?  Wouldn't have thought that, but it makes sense.  His hair in that movie had more personality than most villains.
 
2013-07-14 10:19:44 PM  

quatchi: For those who don't do slideshows list is as follows...

1. Basic Instinct II
2. Blues Brothers 2000
3. Blair Witch 2
4. Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason
5 Caddyshack II
6. Crocodile Dundee in LA
7. Dumb and Dumberer.
8. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.
9. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
10. Jaws: The Revenge.
11. Scary Movie 2
12. Son of The Mask
13. Speed 2
14. US Marshals.
15. The Whole Ten Yards.


There is no movie "The Whole Ten Yards".

The story ended with Jimmy with his new mistress and the dentist with his widow.

/end of subject
 
2013-07-14 10:20:44 PM  

deaccessioned: His hair in that movie had more personality than most villains.


His airhorn had more personality than most villains.
 
2013-07-14 10:21:21 PM  

Woolwine: Also missing about 95% of the infamous Disney sequels


Those are pretty unabashedly straight-to-DVD, though, so usually the public never has to sit through them. Just parents.
 
2013-07-14 10:21:30 PM  

Bslim: Hey! U.S. Marshals rocked. Extra points for having Downey as the heavy.


I thought it was pretty good, too. The rest of that list? Ugh.
 
2013-07-14 10:21:52 PM  
I'll add:
Smokey and the Bandit 2
Smokey and the Bandit 3
The Sting II
Home Alone 3
Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps
The Sandlot 2
Hollow Man 2
Deuce Bigalow: European Gigalo
Teen Wolf Too
Weekend at Bernie's 2
 
2013-07-14 10:22:25 PM  
"Be cool". Take the genius of "get.shorty", shiat all.over.it, and them deliver a.complete waste of film from a.somewhat notable.cast.

Only redeeming graces are.the Rock and Andre.3k, who manage to.be funny.even with the shiat script.
 
2013-07-14 10:25:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Woolwine: Also missing about 95% of the infamous Disney sequels

Those are pretty unabashedly straight-to-DVD, though, so usually the public never has to sit through them. Just parents.


With a few exceptions

upload.wikimedia.org

moviesmobile.net
 
2013-07-14 10:25:32 PM  

sotua: "Be cool". Take the genius of "get.shorty", shiat all.over.it, and them deliver a.complete waste of film from a.somewhat notable.cast.

Only redeeming graces are.the Rock and Andre.3k, who manage to.be funny.even with the shiat script.


Cedric was also decent.
 
2013-07-14 10:26:13 PM  
Star Trek: First Contact is the 3,967th worst film ever made. 

/big trek fan
//can still see it for the trash it is
 
2013-07-14 10:27:04 PM  

angrymacface: First Contact a useless sequel? I think you misspelled "The Undiscovered Country".


Undiscovered Country? Really? You trollin' or do you have a good reason?
 
2013-07-14 10:27:05 PM  

wildcardjack: Blues Brothers was a horrible movie that's only redeemed by people who like the music in it. It's a stupid plot with some stupid gags surrounding a basic flaw. But somehow it's a classic, so of course they made a sequelish second movie. They probably would have done the sequel in the 80's if the wrong Belushi hadn't died.

At least the world has forgotten the whole Revenge of the Nerds franchise. Probably because the nerds won reality.


You go to hell! You go to hell and DIE!
 
2013-07-14 10:27:16 PM  

Bot v2.38beta: Star Trek: First Contact is the 3,967th worst film ever made. 

/big trek fan
//can still see it for the trash it is


Still better than Insurrection
 
2013-07-14 10:30:45 PM  
Halloween Resurrection.  What kind of movie creative thinks that that's a good way to finish off Laurie Strode?

Carrie 2.  Same issue as HR with Sue Snell.

House On Haunted Hill 2.  Turns out the doctor's not really evil for experimenting on his patients.  The house made him do it.

Legally Blonde 2.  Winning over politicians by bonding over gay dogs.
 
2013-07-14 10:32:26 PM  
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2013-07-14 10:32:49 PM  

thecpt: Also, not news people don't know the difference between a prequel and a sequel.


TFA had the Dumb & Dumber prequel, so I think prequels are allowed.

hugheric: I realize do to the title of the original that this was inevitable but The Never Ending Story II.


It's based on a book, and the first movie didn't even cover half of what was in the book. The author hated what they did with the story so much that he didn't want his name associated with it. I loved it as a kid, but after having read the book, the first movie doesn't do it justice.
 
2013-07-14 10:35:54 PM  
Since this thread is about unnecessary sequels, let's add Grown Ups 2 to the list. Why did that need a sequel?
 
2013-07-14 10:36:47 PM  
quatchi: For those who don't do slideshows list is as follows...

1. Basic Instinct II  (never saw it, never saw the original)
2. Blues Brothers 2000 (the original was much, much better)
3. Blair Witch 2  (never saw it, but saw a scathingly funny review of it somewhere on the net)
4. Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason  (never saw it, don't get the appeal of Renee Zellweger)
5 Caddyshack II  (never saw it)
6. Crocodile Dundee in LA  (meh)
7. Dumb and Dumberer.  (never saw it, never saw the original)
8. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.  (never saw it)
9. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.  (argued with my son over the film; I hated it, he liked it)
10. Jaws: The Revenge.  (movie bad; scuba dived the boat they sunk for the film, though, that was cool)
11. Scary Movie 2  (meh)
12. Son of The Mask  (Nostalgia Critic's review is funnier than the film itself)
13. Speed 2  (meh)
14. US Marshals. (okay film, I think Robert Downey Jr was here, and I mostly watched him)
15. The Whole Ten Yards.  (never saw it, never saw the original)
 
2013-07-14 10:39:39 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.


Not exactly a high bar to clear, is it?
 
2013-07-14 10:39:39 PM  
Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.
 
2013-07-14 10:45:10 PM  
I would submit the following, which I don't believe have been mentioned yet:

Mean Girls 2
Shrek III and IV
Every Land Before Time movie but the first
Van Wilder 2: Rise of Taj
 
2013-07-14 10:46:03 PM  

CraicBaby: thecpt: Also, not news people don't know the difference between a prequel and a sequel.

TFA had the Dumb & Dumber prequel, so I think prequels are allowed.

hugheric: I realize do to the title of the original that this was inevitable but The Never Ending Story II.

It's based on a book, and the first movie didn't even cover half of what was in the book. The author hated what they did with the story so much that he didn't want his name associated with it. I loved it as a kid, but after having read the book, the first movie doesn't do it justice.


You are correct. In still calling out subby on the tired trope of saying the second matrix is bad though.
 
2013-07-14 10:46:21 PM  
Pretty good list. But I liked First Contact.
 
2013-07-14 10:47:10 PM  

CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.


well, if we're doing kids movies:

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2013-07-14 10:47:24 PM  

deaccessioned: Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/


Wow. No words.

I nominate Escape From LA.
 
2013-07-14 10:51:58 PM  

JammerJim: angrymacface: First Contact a useless sequel? I think you misspelled "The Undiscovered Country".

Undiscovered Country? Really? You trollin' or do you have a good reason?


The film was rushed and it shows. The plot has holes big enough to fly the Enterprise-D through, the actors seemed like they were just phoning it in, and finally, a Shakespeare-quoting Klingon? Please.
 
2013-07-14 10:52:01 PM  
Jurassic park 2 or 3, take your pick. Hostel 2.
 
2013-07-14 10:54:24 PM  

CraicBaby: thecpt: Also, not news people don't know the difference between a prequel and a sequel.

TFA had the Dumb & Dumber prequel, so I think prequels are allowed.

hugheric: I realize do to the title of the original that this was inevitable but The Never Ending Story II.

It's based on a book, and the first movie didn't even cover half of what was in the book. The author hated what they did with the story so much that he didn't want his name associated with it. I loved it as a kid, but after having read the book, the first movie doesn't do it justice.


Interesting, maybe I'll read it. I'm usually the "book was better guy" anyway. Thanks for the info.
 
2013-07-14 10:54:29 PM  
fr.canoe.ca
 
2013-07-14 10:57:30 PM  

thecpt: Jurassic park 2 or 3, take your pick. Hostel 2.



Not Hostel 3?
 
2013-07-14 11:00:26 PM  

HempHead: thecpt: Jurassic park 2 or 3, take your pick. Hostel 2.


Not Hostel 3?


Forgot they made it. When it came out I remembered how bad the second one was and that was that.
 
2013-07-14 11:04:04 PM  
Okay, I have to mention Cinderella III. This abomination should be deleted from history. It has a time travel device that basically completely invalidates the original movie. It replaces it with this sappy self realization nonsense. While the original is not exactly a fine example of feminine equality, they didn't have to wipe it out with some contrived price of crap.
 
2013-07-14 11:07:17 PM  
Just some random shiat I've picked up over this thread that I have problems with:

-Ghostbusters 2 was a thoroughly decent movie, even slightly good.  It's just hard to follow an amazing movie with one that is not as amazing.
-Predator 2 was solid, but completely different.  The supporting cast was just as good as the original and Glover is always reliable as a cop, but the Predator itself was somehow less menacing.  Still not useless and the ending opened the franchise's future for greatness(unfortunately, the studios failed to do anything with it, but that's not this movie's fault).
-X-Men Origins: Wolverine was better than X-Men 3 and introduced Liev Schreiber as a very good Sabretooth(the original was godawful, thanks Joss).  I want more of Wolverine vs Sabretooth in the way they were portrayed here.  Lots more.  Now.
 
2013-07-14 11:14:26 PM  
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2013-07-14 11:19:04 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.

well, if we're doing kids movies:


(loads of Land before time movies)

I've got two girls that'll kick your ass for suggesting such a thing.  They've watched them all like 100 times.
 
2013-07-14 11:20:28 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.


OOh,  I like a challenge.

1) The Dark Knight
2) Godfather II
3) Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn
4)The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (although to be honest, The Man With No Name was not part of a trilogy...he had names in all of the movies and they were different characters. It was pure marketing on WB)
5) Spiderman 2
6) Iron Man 3 was better than Iron Man 2
7) Several Bond movies were better than Doctor No
8) Bride of Frankenstein.
9) Kill Bill 2 (It actually had a farking story and character parts)
10) White Dicks, Black Chicks 12
 
2013-07-14 11:21:35 PM  

bhcompy: Just some random shiat I've picked up over this thread that I have problems with:

-Ghostbusters 2 was a thoroughly decent movie, even slightly good.  It's just hard to follow an amazing movie with one that is not as amazing.
-Predator 2 was solid, but completely different.  The supporting cast was just as good as the original and Glover is always reliable as a cop, but the Predator itself was somehow less menacing.  Still not useless and the ending opened the franchise's future for greatness(unfortunately, the studios failed to do anything with it, but that's not this movie's fault).
-X-Men Origins: Wolverine was better than X-Men 3 and introduced Liev Schreiber as a very good Sabretooth(the original was godawful, thanks Joss).  I want more of Wolverine vs Sabretooth in the way they were portrayed here.  Lots more.  Now.


Actually, I thought Xmen First class was the best of all of the X men movies.
 
2013-07-14 11:24:12 PM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.


Also, Coppola screwed up by being too cheap to pay Robert DuVall and substituted his character with George Hamilton, and by not waiting until Julia Roberts or Winona Ryder were available to play Mary and putting his daughter in the role. Sofia may be a good director, but her acting stunk worse than Luca Brasi's corpse.
 
2013-07-14 11:25:01 PM  

Wireless Joe: Hi guyz, what's going on in this thread?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 236x214]


That, sir, was a prequel, and  the Darth Maul fight scene almost redeemed this abomination (love the music)
 
2013-07-14 11:25:31 PM  

TheManofPA: What other Matrix film?


Pretending films don't exist is so 2002.

Now we have Rifftrax.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:34 PM  

cyberspacedout: No, you're thinking of all the other Star Trek movies after IV. First Contact was pretty good; it's probably the reason Trek stayed relevant for the rest of the 90s.


VI Was Good
 
2013-07-14 11:32:27 PM  

CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.


As a very minor owner of Disney stock, I have to disagree.
 
2013-07-14 11:32:47 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Wireless Joe: Hi guyz, what's going on in this thread?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 236x214]

That, sir, was a prequel, and  the Darth Maul fight scene almost redeemed this abomination (love the music)


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Coooooorrrrnnnnn ooonnn

The keboooooobbbb
 
2013-07-14 11:39:00 PM  
Obviously an oversight, and completely unnecessary...

hdmoviewpp.com
 
2013-07-14 11:39:59 PM  

CraicBaby: thecpt: Also, not news people don't know the difference between a prequel and a sequel.

TFA had the Dumb & Dumber prequel, so I think prequels are allowed.

hugheric: I realize do to the title of the original that this was inevitable but The Never Ending Story II.

It's based on a book, and the first movie didn't even cover half of what was in the book. The author hated what they did with the story so much that he didn't want his name associated with it. I loved it as a kid, but after having read the book, the first movie doesn't do it justice.


Yeah, I read the book, and the movie only covered the first half of the book. Plus, the film changed A LOT of things from the book. The second film loosely (and I mean, loosely like Michelle Duggar's vajayjay) followed the second half of the book. I still liked it, though not as much as the first.

Now the third movie? That was a cinematic hate crime. The only good part was a pre-fame Jack Black as the bully, only because it looks like he's aware the movie is a turd and is going with it.
 
2013-07-14 11:44:37 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: thatguyoverthere70: What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.

OOh,  I like a challenge.

1) The Dark Knight
2) Godfather II
3) Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn
4)The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (although to be honest, The Man With No Name was not part of a trilogy...he had names in all of the movies and they were different characters. It was pure marketing on WB)
5) Spiderman 2
6) Iron Man 3 was better than Iron Man 2
7) Several Bond movies were better than Doctor No
8) Bride of Frankenstein.
9) Kill Bill 2 (It actually had a farking story and character parts)
10) White Dicks, Black Chicks 12


The Bond franchise weren't really "sequels" in the strict sense of the word, though. The Bond movies don't really advance the storyline or the character, or wrap up story arcs left unfinished in previous movies. They're all unique separate stories that happen to have the same character in them.
 
2013-07-14 11:54:02 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: CraicBaby: thecpt: Also, not news people don't know the difference between a prequel and a sequel.

TFA had the Dumb & Dumber prequel, so I think prequels are allowed.

hugheric: I realize do to the title of the original that this was inevitable but The Never Ending Story II.

It's based on a book, and the first movie didn't even cover half of what was in the book. The author hated what they did with the story so much that he didn't want his name associated with it. I loved it as a kid, but after having read the book, the first movie doesn't do it justice.

Yeah, I read the book, and the movie only covered the first half of the book. Plus, the film changed A LOT of things from the book. The second film loosely (and I mean, loosely like Michelle Duggar's vajayjay) followed the second half of the book. I still liked it, though not as much as the first.

Now the third movie? That was a cinematic hate crime. The only good part was a pre-fame Jack Black as the bully, only because it looks like he's aware the movie is a turd and is going with it.


Yeah, they changed a lot of stuff. (Like, Atreyu in the book had greenish skin, for instance.) When I read the book years after seeing the 1st and 2nd movies, I was amazed at how much was changed. I actually liked the book better. Wish I could find my copy. I've moved a couple times since I last read it and I have no idea what happened to it.
 
2013-07-14 11:54:49 PM  

t3knomanser: Star Trek: First Contact was a serviceable-but-uninspired action movie. It used a few Star Trek elements, like the holodeck, in creative ways (if you don't think too hard). And that's true of the entire plot, really. It holds together- if you don't think too hard. Which is fine, for a generic action movie. I quite liked Lockdown, for example (aka Escape From NY: In SPACE). But one would hope that Star Trek could do more.


Wow, you just described the main argument against the last two Trek films.
 
2013-07-15 12:05:00 AM  
Thread fails without...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-15 12:07:07 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.


+1. FC was awesome. Dunno why they all went downhill after that.
 
2013-07-15 12:07:35 AM  

Bslim: Hey! U.S. Marshals rocked. Extra points for having Downey as the heavy.


This!  US Marshals is an awesome movie!  Besides, it's not like they called it "The Fugitive 2".  It had it's own thing going on!
 
2013-07-15 12:09:34 AM  
While I agree Indiana Jones 4 wasn't necessary, I still lived it for the fact it brought Marion and Indy back together and that was fun.
And fark whoever didn't like it because go look up Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, what COULD have been Indy 4.
 
2013-07-15 12:10:02 AM  

jenny next: House On Haunted Hill 2.  Turns out the doctor's not really evil for experimenting on his patients.  The house made him do it.


Does anyone else remember a time when Haunted Houses were the result of something a person did, and not just a stupid "it's evil because fark you" mindless plot device?

/yeah, me neither
 
2013-07-15 12:12:18 AM  

Cream of Meat:


Yep terminator 3 was the absolute shiats. It was so bad it even killed the original 2 movies for me.
 
2013-07-15 12:13:15 AM  
Ocean's Twelve & Thirteen
Airport '77 & '79
Rocky V
Karate Kid 3 & 4
Wayne's World 2
The movie that doesn't exist as a sequel to Highlander
Why does God need a spaceship sequel?

/if you get to list 'Cars 2' then I get to list 'Planes'
 
2013-07-15 12:14:41 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.

well, if we're doing kids movies:

                 


Um you are aware that those movies are ment for small kids right? I mean my 4 year old loves them. But if you are watching them as a critic and making a movie night of it. Without any kids around, you sir are a weirdo!
 
2013-07-15 12:14:56 AM  
The TFA's list seems to be spot on.  Some of these comments are not:

The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.  (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)  Was parts of it kinda corny?  Maybe.  Revolutions was pretty disappointing, especially the further it went along.  (First 30 minutes wasn't bad.)

First Contact?  Now you're just trolling.  Granted, the TNG movies weren't epic, but this was one of the better ones.  (ST6 is still the best one.)

Gremlins 2?  This is just proof that you haven't seen it.  Awesome movie.

Ghostbusters 2?  Was it better than Ghostbusters?  No, but it's hard to reach that high.  It was still a good movie, though.

Tron: Legacy?  Olivia Wilde, cool special effects, great soundtrack, good story, oh, and Olivia Wilde.  Also, the original Tron has not aged well.
 
2013-07-15 12:17:38 AM  

jake_lex: You gotta put The Godfather Part III on this list.  It's actually not as terrible as people say it is, but it is completely and utterly useless, because the first two tell such a perfect story and finish the story of Michael Corelone in the most important way.  At the end of Part I, Michael becomes Don Corleone, and at the end of Part II, it becomes clear that his promises to Kay notwithstanding, he will never become legitimate and he will always be Don Corleone.

Then comes Part III and a lot of nonsense about whacking the Pope or whatever the hell happened in that movie.


I agree. Granted, it followed the arc of: NY, AMERICA, THE WORLD for the family. It was a natural progression, I suppose, in terms of expanding the scope.

Still, I liked the Winegardner books better, and the end of Hagen made me sad.

The scheming and intrigue about the Vatican Bank wasn't a bad idea, iirc it was a reflection on the Pope before John Paul XVI, and the shady dealings around his death. Not a bad premise, on it's own. But then you have an impotent Don Corleone that can't do dick about a two bit punk like Andy Garcia, when in all ways the story could have been made he would have been snuffed right off.

The best thing for me about Godfather III is the ending. Michael Corleone's death is precisely what I have imagined for Jar Jar Binks, dying of old age, alone and unloved, with only the memories of his failure-- hey wait, didn't the Star Wars prequels get listed in this slide show? Everything about them was useless. They answered all the questions we never asked, and everything they answered made the originals worse.
 
2013-07-15 12:18:42 AM  

Zombie DJ: While I agree Indiana Jones 4 wasn't necessary, I still lived it for the fact it brought Marion and Indy back together and that was fun.
And fark whoever didn't like it because go look up Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, what COULD have been Indy 4.


Yeah, and I PLAYED Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, which SHOULD have been Indy 4.
 
2013-07-15 12:19:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Darth_Lukecash: thatguyoverthere70: What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.

OOh,  I like a challenge.

1) The Dark Knight
2) Godfather II
3) Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn
4)The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (although to be honest, The Man With No Name was not part of a trilogy...he had names in all of the movies and they were different characters. It was pure marketing on WB)
5) Spiderman 2
6) Iron Man 3 was better than Iron Man 2
7) Several Bond movies were better than Doctor No
8) Bride of Frankenstein.
9) Kill Bill 2 (It actually had a farking story and character parts)
10) White Dicks, Black Chicks 12

The Bond franchise weren't really "sequels" in the strict sense of the word, though. The Bond movies don't really advance the storyline or the character, or wrap up story arcs left unfinished in previous movies. They're all unique separate stories that happen to have the same character in them.


Thats not entirely true. You only live twice, on her majesties secret service, and diamonds are forever, they all follow a story arc. And are something of a trilogy. With bond getting married and blowfeld gunning her down in ohmss. And bond hunting him down in diamonds are forever.

havent seen them in years but the 3 movies work together pretty well if I remember correctly.
 
2013-07-15 12:20:20 AM  

baka-san: Heavy Metal 2000...

(auctally kind liked it,, but anything to do with Carl Macek is to be derided)

(well, except for the english dub of Totoro)


Heavy Metal had decades of material to work with. Couldn't they have done a Druuna movie?
 
2013-07-15 12:24:36 AM  
Subby, I have to take exception with First Contact...it was the best of the TNG movies.

How did "The Crow II: City of Angels" not make the list?
 
2013-07-15 12:37:27 AM  
You shut your whore mouth, subby. First Contact was the best TNG movie!

blue_2501: The TFA's list seems to be spot on.  Some of these comments are not:

Ghostbusters 2?  Was it better than Ghostbusters?  No, but it's hard to reach that high.  It was still a good movie, though.


I've always enjoyed Ghostbusters 2, and was surprised when I saw all the people that spoke negatively about it.

But I must confess I liked Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I liked how it acknowledged Harrison Ford's advanced age, instead of pretending they're still the same person they were the last time we saw them like Star Trek: The Motion Picture did. After all, Indy himself said "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage." all the way back in Raiders.
 
2013-07-15 12:51:09 AM  
Who needs a sequel?

bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-15 12:53:56 AM  
How about Baby Geniuses 2? The first one was terrible and bombed horribly, yet they decided to make a sequel for whatever goddamn reason.
 
2013-07-15 01:19:30 AM  
List forgot The French Connection 2
 
2013-07-15 01:24:04 AM  
ALL the old Star Trek movies after Star Trek IV were crappy and hokey. Star Trek IV is also hokey, but it at least has a somewhat fun script. Every single Next Generation movie is cheesy as hell. The later OT crew movies were comedies, not scifi.

People who complain about the Trek reboot need to be reminded of the action-comedy travesties that were the last five pre-reboot Trek films.
 
2013-07-15 01:32:50 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Plant Rights Activist: CraicBaby: Let's also add Cars 2 to the list. It was totally unnecessary.

well, if we're doing kids movies:

Um you are aware that those movies are ment for small kids right? I mean my 4 year old loves them. But if you are watching them as a critic and making a movie night of it. Without any kids around, you sir are a weirdo!


They took a movie that introduces children to the concept of mortality and coping with loss and decided it would be a great family fun time adventure!  WTF!  And my viewing habits are none of your business, mister.
 
2013-07-15 01:38:47 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Obviously an oversight, and completely unnecessary...

[hdmoviewpp.com image 425x265]


it gave Daft Punk a reason to write more songs and that is good enough.
 
2013-07-15 01:52:53 AM  

Keywork99: Fark all of you, I liked Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.


You can like them all you want.  They were still completely unnecessary and don't do anything to bolster the first movie.
 
2013-07-15 02:05:55 AM  

velvet_fog: I think some Farkers are confusing what they think is a 'bad' sequel with what was an 'unnecessary' sequel. Superman III and IV were awful movies, but each film that preceded it was a huge hit - why wouldn't you add another sequel? Same goes with Batman & Robin. Even Blair Witch 2, to a lesser extent. Just because it was horribly executed doesn't mean it was unnecessary. I think an exception is the Jaws series, where Jaws 2 and on were totally unnecessary.

To the list, I'd add: Jaws 2, Jaws 3-D, Gremlins 2, Ghostbusters 2, Analyze That, Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights, It Runs in the Family (sequel to A Christmas Story)


Atlas Shrugged Part II
 
2013-07-15 02:07:59 AM  
Unnecessary and bad:
 
2013-07-15 02:08:57 AM  

karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:


Let's try that again:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-15 02:13:07 AM  

greggm59: [fr.canoe.ca image 248x354]


Burn_The_Plows: No Slapshot 2?


Yeah, I came here to say that

Also, Barely Legal Deep Anal Hookers of Arkansas #38.  The first 37 were awesome but #38 was completely unneccessary
 
2013-07-15 02:15:26 AM  

karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:

Let's try that again:

[Exorcist II: The Heretic]


The only element that came close to redeeming that miserable flushing of film stock and time and money and talent was Maestro Morricone's score (which i still listen to and appreciate to this day.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlevfEi7nk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iIZb0gOmFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z96SsgLoHaY
 
2013-07-15 02:27:36 AM  

traxan: TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.

+1. FC was awesome. Dunno why they all went downhill after that.


The movies after that just felt like extra long episodes.  The thing I like about the JJ Abrahms movies is that they feel like real movies.
 
2013-07-15 02:36:57 AM  

Sinbox: karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:

Let's try that again:

[Exorcist II: The Heretic]

The only element that came close to redeeming that miserable flushing of film stock and time and money and talent was Maestro Morricone's score (which i still listen to and appreciate to this day.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlevfEi7nk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iIZb0gOmFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z96SsgLoHaY


Indeed.  Here's another terrible movie he blessed with a wonderful score that same year:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSFU75zNwI
 
2013-07-15 02:51:47 AM  
If Citizen Kane were made today, there would be 12 sequels and at least one reboot.
 
2013-07-15 03:08:52 AM  
karmachameleon:

Indeed.  Here's another terrible movie he blessed with a wonderful score that same year:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSFU75zNwI

I think he and the much-missed Jerry Goldsmith were/are  the Patron Saints of Great Music For Lackluster Films.
 
2013-07-15 04:05:26 AM  

deaccessioned: Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/


That should be http://www.whatthehellmovie.com/

/Pleased to meet ya'.
 
2013-07-15 04:43:50 AM  

blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.   (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)



people keep saying this, but it was like Frogger: The Movie. All the other action felt like a really goofy attempt to one-up the original movie's action.
 
2013-07-15 05:16:23 AM  
How is it that Oceans 12 didn't make the list. Utter pile of crap.
 
2013-07-15 05:29:29 AM  

Sinbox: karmachameleon:

Indeed.  Here's another terrible movie he blessed with a wonderful score that same year:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSFU75zNwI

I think he and the much-missed Jerry Goldsmith were/are  the Patron Saints of Great Music For Lackluster Films.


Yes, and sometimes they invite John Barry out for beers.  Couldn't find a good YouTube of that haunting "King Kong" (1976) theme he wrote, but it's stuck in my head ever since I was a little kid.  I was looking for the scene where the natives are bringing the drugged Dwan out to the offering altar, where he takes Kong's theme and speeds it up and puts it at just the right moment in the movie...chills.
 
2013-07-15 05:45:18 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.   (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)


people keep saying this, but it was like Frogger: The Movie. All the other action felt like a really goofy attempt to one-up the original movie's action.


Yes.  Apologies to the white knights, but all the criticism leveled against these movies is totally valid.  Yes, the action scenes were well done, and if that's all you're looking for then I suppose these movies are for you.  But for anyone who wants their movies to make sense, have a solid narrative, present engaging characters that you care about, build suspense and tension, contain subtext and meaning...great action scenes alone do not make a great movie.  Great action scenes need the context of some of these other things in order to make them mean something, to create stakes that make you care - truly care - about the outcome.  "The Matrix" succeeded at this in spades, with stakes that were clear and compelling.  The two followups completely failed in this respect.  I mean, what did the truck chase, spectacular as it was to watch, really mean?  What were the stakes and why did we care who won or lost?

You know, the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedis in "The Phantom Menace" was really well done too.  But it was all for naught, since the fight itself literally meant nothing between the characters (they didn't even know each other) and there were no stakes.  Without stakes there is no drama.  Why is the lightsaber fight between Luke and Vader in "The Empire Strikes Back" the best and most dramatic in the series, even though the choreography is rudimentary in comparison?  It's because the build-up to it was so meaningful - this is the untested Luke's first confrontation with the evil Sith Lord.  Hell, it's his first confrontation with any significant opponent one-on-one, after abandoning his training with Yoda halfway through.  Can he pass this test?  Even before the revelation that Vader is Luke's father, there is history here - Vader killed Luke's mentor, Obi-Wan.  Obi-Wan has told Luke that Vader killed his father.  Luke has rescued Princess Leia from Vader's clutches before, destroyed the Death Star and is committed to fight to the death against the Empire in the name of freedom and justice.  It means something - the stakes are sky high.  When Luke loses the fight, we feel it in our bones.  When Vader reveals his true parentage, that was one of the most shocking moments in cinema.  Compare to Darth Maul, Obi-Wan and Qui Gon.  Who are these guys?  What's their history together?  Why does this fight matter?  What are the stakes?  Where is the tension?  Who gives a shiat?

That's how I feel about the last two Matrix movies.  Action for action's sake; cool tech for cool tech's sake.  And, total CGI overkill to boot.  After the great drama and clever plotting of the first movie, that just wasn't good enough.
 
2013-07-15 06:10:11 AM  

karmachameleon: FeedTheCollapse: blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.   (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)


people keep saying this, but it was like Frogger: The Movie. All the other action felt like a really goofy attempt to one-up the original movie's action.

Yes.  Apologies to the white knights, but all the criticism leveled against these movies is totally valid.  Yes, the action scenes were well done, and if that's all you're looking for then I suppose these movies are for you.  But for anyone who wants their movies to make sense, have a solid narrative, present engaging characters that you care about, build suspense and tension, contain subtext and meaning...great action scenes alone do not make a great movie.  Great action scenes need the context of some of these other things in order to make them mean something, to create stakes that make you care - truly care - about the outcome.  "The Matrix" succeeded at this in spades, with stakes that were clear and compelling.  The two followups completely failed in this respect.  I mean, what did the truck chase, spectacular as it was to watch, really mean?  What were the stakes and why did we care who won or lost?

You know, the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedis in "The Phantom Menace" was really well done too.  But it was all for naught, since the fight itself literally meant nothing between the characters (they didn't even know each other) and there were no stakes.  Without stakes there is no drama.  Why is the lightsaber fight between Luke and Vader in "The Empire Strikes Back" the best and most dramatic in the series, even though the choreography is rudimentary in comparison?  It's because the build-up to it was so meaningful - this is the untested Luke's first confrontation with the evil Sith Lord.  Hell, it's his first confrontation with any significant opponent one-on-one, after abandoning his training with Yoda halfway through.  Can he pass this test?  Even before the revelation that Vader is Luke's father, there is history here - Vader killed Luke's mentor, Obi-Wan.  Obi-Wan has told Luke that Vader killed his father.  Luke has rescued Princess Leia from Vader's clutches before, destroyed the Death Star and is committed to fight to the death against the Empire in the name of freedom and justice.  It means something - the stakes are sky high.  When Luke loses the fight, we feel it in our bones.  When Vader reveals his true parentage, that was one of the most shocking moments in cinema.  Compare to Darth Maul, Obi-Wan and Qui Gon.  Who are these guys?  What's their history together?  Why does this fight matter?  What are the stakes?  Where is the tension?  Who gives a shiat?

That's how I feel about the last two Matrix movies.  Action for action's sake; cool tech for cool tech's sake.  And, total CGI overkill to boot.  After the great drama and clever plotting of the first movie, that just wasn't good enough.


How were the stakes not clear in reloaded? They definitely weren't in the third but the second is clear.
 
2013-07-15 06:38:59 AM  
If a film has several useless sequels then it does have a use.  It's a cash cow.
Whoring out your franchise is unfortunate but part of Hollywood.
Whoring out your franchise to EPIC FAIL, effectively killing it is another.

Case in point:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-07-15 06:47:09 AM  

TheManofPA: What other Matrix...




Came for this.

Thinking about this.

img002.lazygirls.info
 
2013-07-15 07:29:28 AM  

thecpt: How were the stakes not clear in reloaded? They definitely weren't in the third but the second is clear.


Well, I didn't understand them.  I only saw the movie once, when it opened in theaters, so I'm hardly in a position to analyze it today.  But I remember walking out as confused and disappointed as I ever have for a movie, and I certainly didn't feel any tension or drama while watching it.  Why don't you tell me what the stakes were?  And I don't mean the fact of humanity almost being extinguished by the machines, I get that part of it.  But how does each action scene relate to that in the larger scheme of things, as well as with the characters we've come to know and care about?

For example, when Neo fights Agent Smith in the subway in "The Matrix", the stakes are extremely clear.  Neo's escape route has been destroyed, and he can choose to run or fight.  If he chooses to fight, he will almost certainly lose, because the Agents are nigh near invincible.  His life is on the line, but he chooses to fight.  That's very exciting!  The stakes:  if Neo wins, he will have vanquished a great enemy, and if he loses, he will die and our heroes will have lost who they think is "the chosen one" as an ally.  Furthermore, Trinity is clearly smitten with Neo by this point.  Those are clear stakes.  As we watch Neo gain ground on Agent Smith, we cheer him on - he is learning how powerful he really is inside the Matrix, gaining confidence.  But Smith in the end is too powerful for him and appears to beat him, until Neo makes a last second move to gain victory and eliminate his enemy.  Hurray, he won!  But then Smith proves he is invincible after all.  Oh no, you really can't kill an agent!  All you can ever hope for with them is a draw!  The drama and tension in this scene is unbearable and makes the subsequent chase, seeming defeat and ultimate victory in the climax so much sweeter.  The subway scene serves as tension, release and setup all in one fell swoop.  It's brilliant, not just for the action, but for what the action means.

In "The Matrix Reloaded", Neo is now Superman inside the Matrix.  This was a tactical mistake on the part of the writers.  How do you create drama and tension with a character who essentially can't be harmed?  So, he fights a thousand Agent Smiths or whatever - what does that scene mean?  Why are they fighting?  How did it fit into the larger scheme of things?  What was at stake specifically during that scene?  If Neo lost, what would happen?  Can he even lose, or is he like the agents?  We don't really know.  If Smith loses, how does that affect things?  Wait, wasn't Smith destroyed before our very eyes in the first movie?  Hm, he's explaining how he could come back for this movie...but it doesn't make any sense!  Should I care about this character?  How can I care when I don't understand why he's there?  In "The Matrix", it was all very fantastical but it all made sense and the exposition had logic.  Here, there's no logic.  How can you have stakes and drama when there isn't logic?  How can I care about it if it doesn't make sense?

I mean, come on - how come I can't shake the feeling it was a fight against a thousand Smiths just because they had to one-up the first movie, and they had made Neo so powerful that they didn't know how else to challenge him?  That was all I could think while watching that scene.  And when it was over...hm.  What happened?  Why did it matter?  If the scene had been removed entirely, would the movie miss it?
 
2013-07-15 07:44:16 AM  
To prompt my memory, I looked up the Wikipedia plot description:

"In Zion, Morpheus announces the news of the advancing machines to the people. Neo receives a message from the Oracle and returns to the Matrix to her bodyguard Seraph, who then leads them to her. After realizing that the Oracle is part of the Matrix, Neo asks how he can trust her; she replies that it is his decision. The Oracle instructs Neo to reach the Source of the Matrix by finding the Keymaker, a prisoner of the Merovingian. As the Oracle departs, Smith appears, telling Neo that after being defeated, he refused to be deleted, and is now a rogue program. He demonstrates his ability to clone himself using other people in the Matrix, including other Agents, as hosts. He then tries to absorb Neo as a host, but fails, prompting a battle between Smith's clones and Neo. Neo manages to defend himself, but is forced to retreat from the increasingly overwhelming numbers.
Neo, Morpheus and Trinity visit the Merovingian and ask for the Keymaker, but the Merovingian refuses. His wife Persephone, tired of her husband's attitude, betrays him and leads the trio to the Keymaker. The Merovingian soon arrives with his men. Morpheus, Trinity and the Keymaker escape, while Neo holds off the Merovingian's servants. Morpheus and Trinity try to escape with the Keymaker on the highway, facing several Agents and The Twins. Morpheus defeats The Twins; Trinity escapes, and Neo flies in to save Morpheus and the Keymaker."

lol, compared to the original film, that is completely preposterous and worse, not relatable to a normal person.  The original movie, bizarre sci-fi setting and all, used the common theme of the ordinary man placed into extraordinary circumstances.  He learns, he grows - we can all identify with this as we have all been faced with challenges where we had to learn about something that felt overwhelming to us.  What is he learning and growing into in Reloaded?  How is he relatable any longer, being Superman and all?  How is our protagonist any different at the end of the movie than he was at the beginning?  In the first movie, it was night and day, from corporate lackey to ferocious freedom fighter.  In Reloaded, he goes from what to what?

Anyway, sorry for rambling.  I'm bored at work.  :-)
 
2013-07-15 07:44:41 AM  

blue_2501: The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever. (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)


Survey say....

egggggggggggggg

Thank you for playing here's your rice a roni, rice a roni, the san francisco treat


Ronin FTW
 
2013-07-15 07:52:11 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Obviously an oversight, and completely unnecessary...

[hdmoviewpp.com image 425x265]


The main problem with that production was the casting of that douchecanoe as Flynn's kid. From there on it was all downhill. That was some Hayden Christensen as Vader level fail.
 
2013-07-15 07:53:39 AM  

Fano: Yeah, and I PLAYED Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, which SHOULD have been Indy 4.


That game was so awesome
 
2013-07-15 08:06:31 AM  

deaccessioned: Without even having seen it, I'll go ahead and nominate The Road to Hell (the upcoming sequel to Streets of Fire) for the list.

http://www.roadtohellmovie.com/


Holy carp, a Michael Pare sighting!
 
2013-07-15 08:13:33 AM  

karmachameleon: To prompt my memory, I looked up the Wikipedia plot description:

"In Zion, Morpheus announces the news of the advancing machines to the people. Neo receives a message from the Oracle and returns to the Matrix to her bodyguard Seraph, who then leads them to her. After realizing that the Oracle is part of the Matrix, Neo asks how he can trust her; she replies that it is his decision. The Oracle instructs Neo to reach the Source of the Matrix by finding the Keymaker, a prisoner of the Merovingian. As the Oracle departs, Smith appears, telling Neo that after being defeated, he refused to be deleted, and is now a rogue program. He demonstrates his ability to clone himself using other people in the Matrix, including other Agents, as hosts. He then tries to absorb Neo as a host, but fails, prompting a battle between Smith's clones and Neo. Neo manages to defend himself, but is forced to retreat from the increasingly overwhelming numbers.
Neo, Morpheus and Trinity visit the Merovingian and ask for the Keymaker, but the Merovingian refuses. His wife Persephone, tired of her husband's attitude, betrays him and leads the trio to the Keymaker. The Merovingian soon arrives with his men. Morpheus, Trinity and the Keymaker escape, while Neo holds off the Merovingian's servants. Morpheus and Trinity try to escape with the Keymaker on the highway, facing several Agents and The Twins. Morpheus defeats The Twins; Trinity escapes, and Neo flies in to save Morpheus and the Keymaker."

lol, compared to the original film, that is completely preposterous and worse, not relatable to a normal person.  The original movie, bizarre sci-fi setting and all, used the common theme of the ordinary man placed into extraordinary circumstances.  He learns, he grows - we can all identify with this as we have all been faced with challenges where we had to learn about something that felt overwhelming to us.  What is he learning and growing into in Reloaded?  How is he relatable any longer, being Superman ...



So, what you are saying is that people will be killing each other over The Matrix in 2000 years?
 
2013-07-15 08:13:45 AM  

Shostie: Here's the list.

Basic Instinct 2
Blues Brothers 2000
Blair Witch 2
Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason
Caddyshack 2
Crocodile Dundee in LA
Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry met Lloyd
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer
Indiana Jones and the Refrigerator of Life
Jaws: The Revenge
Scary Movie 2
Son of the Mask
Speed 2
U.S. Marshal
The Whole 10 Yards

All in all, I don't think this is a bad list by any means.


Not a bad list, but not entirely original either. Most of these were obvious, low hanging fruit that we didn't need to click a slideshow to discover.
 
2013-07-15 08:15:28 AM  

quatchi: For those who don't do slideshows list is as follows...

1. Basic Instinct II
2. Blues Brothers 2000
3. Blair Witch 2
4. Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason
5 Caddyshack II
6. Crocodile Dundee in LA
7. Dumb and Dumberer.
8. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.
9. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
10. Jaws: The Revenge.
11. Scary Movie 2
12. Son of The Mask
13. Speed 2
14. US Marshals.
15. The Whole Ten Yards.


Those all seem reasonable EXCEPT #14. US Marshals was a fine movie, nothing amazing, but by no means awful.
 
2013-07-15 08:47:01 AM  

karmachameleon: In "The Matrix Reloaded", Neo is now Superman inside the Matrix. This was a tactical mistake on the part of the writers. How do you create drama and tension with a character who essentially can't be harmed?


He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."

So, he fights a thousand Agent Smiths or whatever - what does that scene mean? Why are they fighting?

Smith tried to absorb him, and he kind of hates Neo.  Neo is also the most powerful being in the Matrix so he wants to kill him.

How did it fit into the larger scheme of things? What was at stake specifically during that scene? If Neo lost, what would happen?

Smith would succeed in dominating the matrix, and a free matrix is humanity's only hope for survival.

Can he even lose, or is he like the agents? We don't really know.

We do kind of know, and later he describes the fight (and the copying thing) as if he were dying.

If Smith loses, how does that affect things? Wait, wasn't Smith destroyed before our very eyes in the first movie? Hm, he's explaining how he could come back for this movie...but it doesn't make any sense! Should I care about this character? How can I care when I don't understand why he's there?

He's a rogue program.  In one of the very first scenes he explains that Neo freed him.  Now he is doing nefarious things within the Matrix.  Smith can't lose much like a virus that has copied itself within your registries so if you delete it once it is still there (and the struggle is much like how the machines have repeatedly destroyed the humans to that point).  Smith is an oddity.  After being defeated he never returned to the (I can't remember what its called) center of the Matrix for deletion.  In this film we learn that Neo is in fact unique from his predecessors and his relationship with the Matrix (and its inhabitants) is also unique.

In "The Matrix", it was all very fantastical but it all made sense and the exposition had logic. Here, there's no logic. How can you have stakes and drama when there isn't logic? How can I care about it if it doesn't make sense?

It does, but you have to think of the Matrix as more of a system and less like reality.  Which could be a very different train of thought then most are used to.

I mean, come on - how come I can't shake the feeling it was a fight against a thousand Smiths just because they had to one-up the first movie, and they had made Neo so powerful that they didn't know how else to challenge him? That was all I could think while watching that scene. And when it was over...hm. What happened? Why did it matter? If the scene had been removed entirely, would the movie miss it?

It mattered because it proved Neo couldn't punch his way through it.  He would need help from everyone, and find alternate ways to handle problems.  It helped increase the tension and drama by proving he could die.  The "it is inevitable" is also alluding to a theme.

The plot could appear to be preposterous if you didn't understand the above.

karmachameleon: What is he learning and growing into in Reloaded?


He learned that he can't save humanity and everything his mentor (morpheus) taught him was built on a false premise (this is like an empire strikes back in terms of relative 2nd movies in trilogies).  He also would rather sacrifice the meager 21 person survival of the human race for a chance to save his love.  Fark everything else, he chose the human option.

How is he relatable any longer, being Superman and all? How is our protagonist any different at the end of the movie than he was at the beginning? In the first movie, it was night and day, from corporate lackey to ferocious freedom fighter. In Reloaded, he goes from what to what?

He goes from superman messiah to a talented guy who can't handle it all, but has a lot of people depending on him.  Maybe its better for a younger generation leaving high school or college or anyone with a leadership role.  He also sacrificed a great deal in order to pursue a love, something I feel many humans have done.

I don't understand why you have to call this white knighting.  Understanding movies is a large part of being entertained by them.  I've learned to enjoy a couple of films by speaking with fans about what they like about it.  Neither of us are perfect at interpreting movies either, nor are we authorities, but this movie had a lot more to it than people remember and should by no means be associated with the third.  The third one just falls apart, and couldn't meet any of the expectations that fans had after the conclusion of Reloaded.

It's a movie I really like, and if you talk about it seriously as you've done then I'll try to help with my answers.
 
2013-07-15 08:50:13 AM  

Bauer: first contact was a great film.


If by that you mean you think turning Jean-Luc Picard into John McClane was in any way a good idea. Star Trek: Die Hard basically put the franchise on a downward spiral of getting increasingly far from anything resembling its origins.

The Borg were a one-note villain who should've stayed buried after The Best of Both Worlds, everyone was suddenly acting out of character in order to make the plot go, and James Cromwell playing a drunk was about the only interesting part for the two hours of bleh that followed the opening space battle.

But hey, it was still better than Nemesis or Insurrection. I've been warming to Generations lately but it still stumbles over its silly and contrived plot.
 
2013-07-15 09:05:24 AM  

post0089: If we can go from this:



To these:



I am all for another sequel to that last summer movie.


There was a third film. "I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer".

Do not watch it, unless you really need teleporting undead fishermen in your life.
 
2013-07-15 09:31:10 AM  

Fano: baka-san: Heavy Metal 2000...

(auctally kind liked it,, but anything to do with Carl Macek is to be derided)

(well, except for the english dub of Totoro)

Heavy Metal had decades of material to work with. Couldn't they have done a Druuna movie?


I would love to see that.  I would love to see the reaction from parents/religious groups even more.
 
2013-07-15 09:34:44 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.

It was definitely better than Generations and Star Trek Into Darkness.  God that last one was mediocre.

But then I shouldn't judged. I enjoyed Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull.  Didn't enjoy Temple of Doom.


Star Trek: First Contact did not -- to my knowledge -- drive any of the cast members into alcoholism, nearly destroying their career and life.
 
2013-07-15 10:01:39 AM  

BravadoGT: Highlander 2
Predator 2


What is this "Highlander 2" you speak of? You must have dreamed that, because there is no such thing. Highlander ended in such a way that a sequel was pretty much impossible, so even an attempted sequel would have been  insipid, poorly thought out, contradictory, and just plain stupid.  Hell, it likely would have been so bad that even thinking about it would cause fans of the original movie to have a traumatic brain injury, resulting in loss of memory to protect their brains from further damage.
 
2013-07-15 10:04:37 AM  

t3knomanser: I quite liked  Lockdown, for example (aka  Escape From NY: In SPACE)


It is called Lockout isn't it? Or is this a different titles between US/UK thing?
 
2013-07-15 10:22:25 AM  
First Contact? You mean the best TNG movie there was? Troll harder.
 
2013-07-15 10:26:36 AM  
Scary Movie 2 was one of the funniest movies ever.

 I think it had a lot do with the time in my life though.  Busted cable box, endlessly ordered for free on PPV.  Lots of drinking.
 
2013-07-15 10:36:28 AM  

The Numbers: How is it that Oceans 12 didn't make the list. Utter pile of crap.


Because Oceans 13 made up the difference.
 
2013-07-15 10:49:22 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: The Bond franchise weren't really "sequels" in the strict sense of the word, though. The Bond movies don't really advance the storyline or the character, or wrap up story arcs left unfinished in previous movies. They're all unique separate stories that happen to have the same character in them.

Thats not entirely true. You only live twice, on her majesties secret service, and diamonds are forever, they all follow a story arc. And are something of a trilogy. With bond getting married and blowfeld gunning her down in ohmss. And bond hunting him down in diamonds are forever.

havent seen them in years but the 3 movies work together pretty well if I remember correctly.



I will also add that the whole plot of From Russia with Love is that SPECTRE wants revenge on James Bond for killing Dr. No in the previous movie.

Not to mention that the Daniel Craig movies are very much like traditional sequels with story archs and callbacks to previous movies..
 
2013-07-15 11:04:00 AM  
The Major League sequels.

The Revenge of the Nerds sequels.
 
2013-07-15 11:12:13 AM  

BravadoGT: Highlander 2
Predator 2

/got nothin'


You take that back Predator 2 was awesome!
 
2013-07-15 11:13:47 AM  
Oh and the Donnie Darko sequels, yes there was more then one sucked donkey balls.
 
2013-07-15 11:46:10 AM  

blue_2501: The TFA's list seems to be spot on.  Some of these comments are not:

The Matrix Reloaded was a badass movie with some of the best action ever.  (Still has the best car chase scene of any movie.)  Was parts of it kinda corny?  Maybe.  Revolutions was pretty disappointing, especially the further it went along.  (First 30 minutes wasn't bad.)

First Contact?  Now you're just trolling.  Granted, the TNG movies weren't epic, but this was one of the better ones.  (ST6 is still the best one.)

Gremlins 2?  This is just proof that you haven't seen it.  Awesome movie.

Ghostbusters 2?  Was it better than Ghostbusters?  No, but it's hard to reach that high.  It was still a good movie, though.

Tron: Legacy?  Olivia Wilde, cool special effects, great soundtrack, good story, oh, and Olivia Wilde.  Also, the original Tron has not aged well.


Ronin respectfully disagrees with your claim that Matrix Reloaded had the best car chase scene, wants to know the color of the boathouse in Hereford is.
 
2013-07-15 11:53:01 AM  

ZeroCorpse: ALL the old Star Trek movies after Star Trek IV were crappy and hokey. Star Trek IV is also hokey, but it at least has a somewhat fun script. Every single Next Generation movie is cheesy as hell. The later OT crew movies were comedies, not scifi.


Well now wait a minute, VI was actually quite good. Yes, it had the comedy of Kirk fighting Kirk and that great dialogue, but you also had a story built sort-of around current events on earth, with the end of the Cold War coming at the same time as the movie.
 
2013-07-15 12:11:19 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: fark YOU SUBBY!  Star Trek: First Contact was a great Trek film!

I'm not kidding, I really liked that movie.  Subby can EABOD.

It was easily the best of the Next Generation cast movies.

It was definitely better than Generations and Star Trek Into Darkness.  God that last one was mediocre.

But then I shouldn't judged. I enjoyed Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull.  Didn't enjoy Temple of Doom.


Well Temple of Doom has more bullshiat then TCS, so that's fair. i am not telling people to stop liking what I don;t like, I am saying "If you think the fridge was rediculous, A GUY GETS HIS HEART PULLED OUT OF HIS CHEST AND LOOKS AT IN HORROR FOR A WHILE BEFORE HE DIES in that frickin movie".

/dont get me started on the "fall hundreds of feet land on a raft and go down a mountain scene
//Good lord
///TCS does not have a monopoly on rediculously stupid scenes in that series
 
2013-07-15 12:23:39 PM  
Robocop 2 & 3
 
rka
2013-07-15 12:43:16 PM  

sunsawed: If a film has several useless sequels then it does have a use.  It's a cash cow.
Whoring out your franchise is unfortunate but part of Hollywood.
Whoring out your franchise to EPIC FAIL, effectively killing it is another.

Case in point:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 350x500]


Are you dissing possibly the greatest Adrian Zmed movie of all time? OF ALL TIME SIR!
 
2013-07-15 12:46:49 PM  

The English Major: /will never understand the hate for slideshows


It's about having to separately load and reload page after page/slide after slide, they're slow as hell...
 
2013-07-15 12:55:20 PM  
On some of these they seem to confuse "unnecessary" with "poorly executed". Indiana Jones is a good example, if they had done a GOOD sequel, it would have fit in fine. Instead they trot out that garbage. Not unnecessary, just horribly made. The ones where they substitute the main box office draws are the same way, some are unnecessary, but all are poorly done, and just designed to grab your money without giving you something decent.

US Marshalls wasn't really all that bad, I tend to watch it when it's on cable rotation and I have some spare time. The Whole Ten Yards is OK, nowhere near as fun as the first, but at least another good one to watch when I've got some time to kill.... Since the list is broken, I hope Little Fockers is on there. Meet the Fockers took to long to happen, so it fell kind of flat, but at least it seemed to have a reason to exist.

As for Blues Brothers 2000, blame Disney. They insisted that it couldn't have an 'R' rating and needed a kid, they farked that thing up one side and down the other. This one isn't Aykroyd 's fault, nor is it Goodman's.
 
2013-07-15 01:05:42 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Well Temple of Doom has more bullshiat then TCS, so that's fair. i am not telling people to stop liking what I don;t like, I am saying "If you think the fridge was rediculous, A GUY GETS HIS HEART PULLED OUT OF HIS CHEST AND LOOKS AT IN HORROR FOR A WHILE BEFORE HE DIES in that frickin movie".

/dont get me started on the "fall hundreds of feet land on a raft and go down a mountain scene
//Good lord
///TCS does not have a monopoly on rediculously stupid scenes in that series


I think Roger Ebert said somewhere on his website that the first 3 Indy movies had the advantage in that they came first. I mean if Crystal Skull had come out in 1984 and Temple of Doom in 2008, and cast them accordingly, people would probably look back at CS fondly while people would be biatching non-stop online about The Temple of Doom and the life raft, and the heart ripping, and whatever hollywood kid they got to play Short Round and whatever actress they got to play Willie. Not to mention all the racist stereotypes.
 
2013-07-15 03:01:02 PM  
What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.

Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bad_lieutenant_port_of_call_new_orle an s/
 
2013-07-15 03:44:03 PM  

thecpt: He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."


Neo may have technically been harmed, but it is obvious from the first fight with 2.0 Agents, to the flying, to the smacking around 1,000 Smiths and everything that he is nigh on invincible.  He is a Super-Man, omnipotent but not omniscient.  And I think that is INCREDIBLY hard to deal with in a movie (See Man of Steel).

Seeing Super-Men completely annihilate their opponents is only cathartically interesting for a short while before it becomes tedious.  Most movies then try to "raise the stakes" but what they really mean is raise the power-level of the opponent(s) so the fight becomes more equal, like before.

While this plan of action sounds logical it actually creates HUGE dissonance in the audience.  It subconsciously undoes the whole heros journey and invalidates the actual "superness" of the Super-Man.  I mean, if the bad guys can keep churning out higher and higher level enemies, does it really matter if the protagonist gets more powerful?  Does that mean everything that's happened before a waste of time?  Are YOU wasting your time watching it?  (also see: bad RPGs)

Once Neo unlocked the full power of the One, his new challenges should have been more mental and less physical.  There are nearly no stakes at the physical level and if you try to make it "equal" you blow out all the calibration.  A movie with a Super-Man is NOT EASY.  Attempting to make Matrix 2 and 3 as a continuation of Neo ascending into power was the most straightforward choice, but also the riskiest and ultimately fatal.
 
2013-07-15 03:47:51 PM  
I think we need more Legally Blonde.
 
2013-07-15 03:56:24 PM  

mechgreg: Jim from Saint Paul: Well Temple of Doom has more bullshiat then TCS, so that's fair. i am not telling people to stop liking what I don;t like, I am saying "If you think the fridge was rediculous, A GUY GETS HIS HEART PULLED OUT OF HIS CHEST AND LOOKS AT IN HORROR FOR A WHILE BEFORE HE DIES in that frickin movie".

/dont get me started on the "fall hundreds of feet land on a raft and go down a mountain scene
//Good lord
///TCS does not have a monopoly on rediculously stupid scenes in that series

I think Roger Ebert said somewhere on his website that the first 3 Indy movies had the advantage in that they came first. I mean if Crystal Skull had come out in 1984 and Temple of Doom in 2008, and cast them accordingly, people would probably look back at CS fondly while people would be biatching non-stop online about The Temple of Doom and the life raft, and the heart ripping, and whatever hollywood kid they got to play Short Round and whatever actress they got to play Willie. Not to mention all the racist stereotypes.


I completely agree with you, and Ebert, more or less.

You really can't go home again.  Doing a sequel 20 years later and trying to recapture the original feel is impossible.  People want more of what they love, but even if you make a carbon copy you and the world you've lived in have changed, so the movie isn't the same.

That said, TCS had some egregious Lucas-isms: unnecessary CGI shiat, like animals, competiting for visual interest, pointless inclusion of callbacks like Marion, and a general dumbing down.  Fridge logic and silly adventure plot physics are FINE when the movie is GOOD.  TCS just had a weak core, rotted from self consciousness.

People will excuse plot holes and unrealistic things, as long as the movie's core and spirit are intact and its a good film.  Excessively realistic movies with accurate Newtonian physics can be interesting, but you can create even more interesting things by subtly breaking them!  The audience will forgive you if you make a good movie.
 
2013-07-15 04:00:40 PM  

Esc7: A GUY GETS HIS HEART PULLED OUT OF HIS CHEST AND LOOKS AT IN HORROR FOR A WHILE BEFORE HE DIES in that frickin movie".


There was that pathologist in the Zimmerman trial just a couple of days ago who testified that if stood up right now and ripped out your heart, you would live and think for at least another 10 seconds. It was totally badass and, hey, look who walked.
 
2013-07-15 04:11:29 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Ugh
 
2013-07-15 04:15:05 PM  

Esc7: mechgreg: Jim from Saint Paul: Well Temple of Doom has more bullshiat then TCS, so that's fair. i am not telling people to stop liking what I don;t like, I am saying "If you think the fridge was rediculous, A GUY GETS HIS HEART PULLED OUT OF HIS CHEST AND LOOKS AT IN HORROR FOR A WHILE BEFORE HE DIES in that frickin movie".

/dont get me started on the "fall hundreds of feet land on a raft and go down a mountain scene
//Good lord
///TCS does not have a monopoly on rediculously stupid scenes in that series

I think Roger Ebert said somewhere on his website that the first 3 Indy movies had the advantage in that they came first. I mean if Crystal Skull had come out in 1984 and Temple of Doom in 2008, and cast them accordingly, people would probably look back at CS fondly while people would be biatching non-stop online about The Temple of Doom and the life raft, and the heart ripping, and whatever hollywood kid they got to play Short Round and whatever actress they got to play Willie. Not to mention all the racist stereotypes.

I completely agree with you, and Ebert, more or less.

You really can't go home again.  Doing a sequel 20 years later and trying to recapture the original feel is impossible.  People want more of what they love, but even if you make a carbon copy you and the world you've lived in have changed, so the movie isn't the same.

That said, TCS had some egregious Lucas-isms: unnecessary CGI shiat, like animals, competiting for visual interest, pointless inclusion of callbacks like Marion, and a general dumbing down.  Fridge logic and silly adventure plot physics are FINE when the movie is GOOD.  TCS just had a weak core, rotted from self consciousness.

People will excuse plot holes and unrealistic things, as long as the movie's core and spirit are intact and its a good film.  Excessively realistic movies with accurate Newtonian physics can be interesting, but you can create even more interesting things by subtly breaking them!  The audience will forgiv ...


It wasn't even the presence of the CGI, but just bad/obvious CGI in several places that got me.  I cant' remember the exact scene, but it was one where they were fighting bad guys while driving Jeeps or riding horses or something and the whole thing just looked incredibly fake.  This day in age if you're going to do CGI, it has to look good enough that it could pass for having actually been filmed that way.  CGI that looks so fake as to be distracting is just not acceptable in a big budget major studio release.
 
2013-07-15 04:18:56 PM  
To subby:

cache.ohinternet.com

The Matrix sequels I can dig but "First Contact"? Really?  Were you on a meth binge when you saw "First Contact"?

Now, had you said "Generations", I can see that.
 
2013-07-15 04:26:56 PM  

Esc7: thecpt: He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."

Neo may have technically been harmed, but it is obvious from the first fight with 2.0 Agents, to the flying, to the smacking around 1,000 Smiths and everything that he is nigh on invincible.  He is a Super-Man, omnipotent but not omniscient.  And I think that is INCREDIBLY hard to deal with in a movie (See Man of Steel).

Seeing Super-Men completely annihilate their opponents is only cathartically interesting for a short while before it becomes tedious.  Most movies then try to "raise the stakes" but what they really mean is raise the power-level of the opponent(s) so the fight becomes more equal, like before.

While this plan of action sounds logical it actually creates HUGE dissonance in the audience.  It subconsciously undoes the whole heros journey and invalidates the actual "superness" of the Super-Man.  I mean, if the bad guys can keep churning out higher and higher level enemies, does it really matter if the protagonist gets more powerful?  Does that mean everything that's happened before a waste of time?  Are YOU wasting your time watching it?  (also see: bad RPGs)

Once Neo unlocked the full power of the One, his new challenges should have been more mental and less physical.  There are nearly no stakes at the physical level and if you try to make it "equal" you blow out all the calibration.  A movie with a Super-Man is NOT EASY.  Attempting to make Matrix 2 and 3 as a continuation of Neo ascending into power was the most straightforward choice, but also the riskiest and ultimately fatal.


He loses to the 1000 smiths though. I actually hate superman (for some reason liked mos though) and I can see where you could draw deep comparisons but I still thought of him as mortal and in peril. After all, he is only the one in the matrix. There was an assassination attempt on him outside the matrix.

But why can't a character's journey be that the rug is pulled out from under him? He isn't enough to win the fight, he has powers outside the matrix, and a bulk of the action involved the mortal characters (trinity and Morpheus).
 
2013-07-15 04:28:00 PM  

blue_2501: First Contact?  Now you're just trolling.  Granted, the TNG movies weren't epic, but this was one of the better ones.  (ST6 is still the best one.)


This; ST6 was a helluva way for the cast of the original to go out.
 
2013-07-15 04:28:57 PM  

ZeroCorpse: ALL the old Star Trek movies after Star Trek IV were crappy and hokey. Star Trek IV is also hokey, but it at least has a somewhat fun script. Every single Next Generation movie is cheesy as hell. The later OT crew movies were comedies, not scifi.

People who complain about the Trek reboot need to be reminded of the action-comedy travesties that were the last five pre-reboot Trek films.


I gotta disagree with you on ST6 and First Contact.  The others?  Yeah, they weren't that great.
 
2013-07-15 04:32:16 PM  

Callous: Robocop 2 & 3


2 wasn't that bad considering Frank Miller had a hand in it.

3? Yeah, that wasn't even B-movie worthy.
 
2013-07-15 04:45:33 PM  
Also,
In my admiration for reloaded please add orgasm cake and persephone's cleavage.

That's top notch cinema right there
 
2013-07-15 04:45:56 PM  

thecpt: He loses to the 1000 smiths though. I actually hate superman (for some reason liked mos though) and I can see where you could draw deep comparisons but I still thought of him as mortal and in peril. After all, he is only the one in the matrix. There was an assassination attempt on him outside the matrix.

But why can't a character's journey be that the rug is pulled out from under him? He isn't enough to win the fight, he has powers outside the matrix, and a bulk of the action involved the mortal characters (trinity and Morpheus).


You can't invalidate Neo's power after making such a big deal about it.  That kind of ping-ponging about what is really important in the narrative is confusing.  It shiats over Neo efforts in the first movie, the movie we liked enough to go see a sequel for!

And if the bulk of action involves the mortal characters, why aren't THEY the protagonists   Instead the movie stubbornly focuses on Neo.  Neo is the one who is trying to enter The Source, while all the noise and fury about a machine invasion is pushed into the third movie.

And in order to enter The Source, they need the Keymaker, who Neo LITERALLY PLUCKS out of thin air during a fight.  All that other crap, the amazing battle of the middle of the movie loses so much importance when the protagonist just grabs the guy and takes him to where he needs to go.  Why are the other characters even THERE???  They're just getting in the way of things being targets of opportunity.

The choices made to construct such a plot are the problem.  The only thing I liked about the second and third matrix movies was the fight between Neo and Bane.  It is such a clumsy gritty contrast to the ballet of the in-Matrix fights.  That was so interesting to invert the power structure and show Neo weak.

And thinking about Revolutions reminds me about the greatest weakness throughout all three:  The stupid love story.  Neo and Trinity have no chemistry together at all, and there doesn't seem to be ANY reason either one loves each other.  Maybe if there was better writing or better chemistry this would have been fixed but as it stands I just roll my eyes when the love plots come out.  Unfortunately they're always at a climatic part of the movie.

Listen, I enjoyed watching the Matrix: Reloaded, but I can't defend it as a good movie.  It could really have been better.  They filmed that car chase 3 miles from where i'm sitting, and I loved watching every second of it.  It's the rest of the movie that sucks.
 
2013-07-15 05:16:28 PM  

Esc7: thecpt: He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."

Neo may have technically been harmed, but it is obvious from the first fight with 2.0 Agents, to the flying, to the smacking around 1,000 Smiths and everything that he is nigh on invincible.  He is a Super-Man, omnipotent but not omniscient.  And I think that is INCREDIBLY hard to deal with in a movie (See Man of Steel).

Seeing Super-Men completely annihilate their opponents is only cathartically interesting for a short while before it becomes tedious.  Most movies then try to "raise the stakes" but what they really mean is raise the power-level of the opponent(s) so the fight becomes more equal, like before.

While this plan of action sounds logical it actually creates HUGE dissonance in the audience.  It subconsciously undoes the whole heros journey and invalidates the actual "superness" of the Super-Man.  I mean, if the bad guys can keep churning out higher and higher level enemies, does it really matter if the protagonist gets more powerful?  Does that mean everything that's happened before a waste of time?  Are YOU wasting your time watching it?  (also see: bad RPGs)

Once Neo unlocked the full power of the One, his new challenges should have been more mental and less physical.  There are nearly no stakes at the physical level and if you try to make it "equal" you blow out all the calibration.  A movie with a Super-Man is NOT EASY.  Attempting to make Matrix 2 and 3 as a continuation of Neo ascending into power was the most straightforward choice, but also the riskiest and ultimately fatal.


See, that's what it became about though. "Look, Neo is frickin Superman in the Matrix. HOWEVER, he can;t do a damn thing to stop Zion from dying. WAT DO?".

It's the "WAT DO?" they went with that sucked and killed the franchise. Also the fact they made a 5 hour long movie to end the thing. I mean, you have to binge watch the whole thing to have that feeling of continuity

/also by "killing the franchise" I mean stopping any future sequels and such
//the money made 300 million dollars, I am sure executives at WB feel like it's a faliure as they swim in their money bins
 
2013-07-15 05:26:23 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Esc7: thecpt: He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."

Neo may have technically been harmed, but it is obvious from the first fight with 2.0 Agents, to the flying, to the smacking around 1,000 Smiths and everything that he is nigh on invincible.  He is a Super-Man, omnipotent but not omniscient.  And I think that is INCREDIBLY hard to deal with in a movie (See Man of Steel).

Seeing Super-Men completely annihilate their opponents is only cathartically interesting for a short while before it becomes tedious.  Most movies then try to "raise the stakes" but what they really mean is raise the power-level of the opponent(s) so the fight becomes more equal, like before.

While this plan of action sounds logical it actually creates HUGE dissonance in the audience.  It subconsciously undoes the whole heros journey and invalidates the actual "superness" of the Super-Man.  I mean, if the bad guys can keep churning out higher and higher level enemies, does it really matter if the protagonist gets more powerful?  Does that mean everything that's happened before a waste of time?  Are YOU wasting your time watching it?  (also see: bad RPGs)

Once Neo unlocked the full power of the One, his new challenges should have been more mental and less physical.  There are nearly no stakes at the physical level and if you try to make it "equal" you blow out all the calibration.  A movie with a Super-Man is NOT EASY.  Attempting to make Matrix 2 and 3 as a continuation of Neo ascending into power was the most straightforward choice, but also the riskiest and ultimately fatal.

See, that's what it became about though. "Look, Neo is frickin Superman in the Matrix. HOWEVER, he can;t do a damn thing to stop Zion from dying. WAT DO?".

It's the "WAT DO?" they went with that sucked and killed the franchise. Also the fact they made a 5 hour long movie to end the thing. I mean, you have to binge watch the whole thing to have that ...


I LIKED the premise of super neo being confronted with impossible situation. I dislike his situation brokered a truce. one easily broken by the machines at any point in the future.
 
2013-07-15 05:50:24 PM  

Esc7: Listen, I enjoyed watching the Matrix: Reloaded, but I can't defend it as a good movie. It could really have been better. They filmed that car chase 3 miles from where i'm sitting, and I loved watching every second of it. It's the rest of the movie that sucks.


You mean 30 minutes of meaningless French smarm and cupcake robogasms isn't your thing?

/Though Monica Belucci in a translucent f*ck-skirt wasn't so bad.
 
2013-07-15 05:52:54 PM  
'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'

What's that, some low-budget fanfic, because I know they only made 3 Indiana Jones movies. If another film had been made, I'd have known about it.
 
2013-07-15 06:15:06 PM  
thatguyoverthere70:

What would be a challenge (and more interesting) would be to come up with a list of sequels that should have been useless but turned out to be not terrible, good, or even better than the original.

There are a number of good sequels of course, but good sequels that by all accounts should have sucked?  Hmm...

An American Tail: Feivel Goes West - It's a running joke that sequels to Disney movies are useless and unnecessary, but sequels to Don Bluth movies, which have never actually involved Don Bluth, are even worse.  Cases in point: The Secret of NIMH 2 and the umpteen zillion continuations of The Land before Time.  The one exception: Feivel Goes West.  Not only does the movie present an entertaining new chapter in the story of Feivel and his family, it wraps that chapter around a subtle history lesson of the U.S.A's growth and expansion (even if the lessons are perhaps a bit out of order, since the push westward mostly happened before the Statue of Liberty's unveiling).  Granted, it's still not as good as the first movie, and it gets downright silly in places, but hey, John Cleese as a shifty real estate feline.  What more can you ask for?

Every Fast and Furious sequel after Tokyo Drift.  The first movie delivered what it promised, fast cars and eye candy, and very little else.  The next two sequels continued the trend, with typical diminishing returns, and nobody expected otherwise from the fourth.  But then, Fast and Furious got good.  Fast Five got even better!  Now we're six movies out and the franchise continues to surprise and impress.

Marvel's The Avengers - Okay, okay, put down the guns and turn off the nerd rage.  I'm not actually saying anybody expected The Avengers to suck.  However, after Edward Norton was ousted because of producer meddling, it was easy to believe the Hulk would be the least interesting part of the ensemble.  Instead, we're all now saying, "Edward who?"  I almost hate to admit someone did a better job with a character than Norton, a man very obviously passionate about his work, but Mark Ruffalo really Hulk-smashed it out of the park.
 
2013-07-15 06:15:30 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Jim from Saint Paul: Esc7: thecpt: He can be harmed, the staircase scene starts with him bleeding and merv says something like "he's just human."

Neo may have technically been harmed, but it is obvious from the first fight with 2.0 Agents, to the flying, to the smacking around 1,000 Smiths and everything that he is nigh on invincible.  He is a Super-Man, omnipotent but not omniscient.  And I think that is INCREDIBLY hard to deal with in a movie (See Man of Steel).

Seeing Super-Men completely annihilate their opponents is only cathartically interesting for a short while before it becomes tedious.  Most movies then try to "raise the stakes" but what they really mean is raise the power-level of the opponent(s) so the fight becomes more equal, like before.

While this plan of action sounds logical it actually creates HUGE dissonance in the audience.  It subconsciously undoes the whole heros journey and invalidates the actual "superness" of the Super-Man.  I mean, if the bad guys can keep churning out higher and higher level enemies, does it really matter if the protagonist gets more powerful?  Does that mean everything that's happened before a waste of time?  Are YOU wasting your time watching it?  (also see: bad RPGs)

Once Neo unlocked the full power of the One, his new challenges should have been more mental and less physical.  There are nearly no stakes at the physical level and if you try to make it "equal" you blow out all the calibration.  A movie with a Super-Man is NOT EASY.  Attempting to make Matrix 2 and 3 as a continuation of Neo ascending into power was the most straightforward choice, but also the riskiest and ultimately fatal.

See, that's what it became about though. "Look, Neo is frickin Superman in the Matrix. HOWEVER, he can;t do a damn thing to stop Zion from dying. WAT DO?".

It's the "WAT DO?" they went with that sucked and killed the franchise. Also the fact they made a 5 hour long movie to end the thing. I mean, you have to binge watch the whole thing to have that ...

I LIKED the premise of super neo being confronted with impossible situation. I dislike his situation brokered a truce. one easily broken by the machines at any point in the future.


And that's why I defend reloaded, but never the third one. I just hate when people say they both sucked
 
2013-07-15 07:24:46 PM  

SkunkWorx: An American Tail: Feivel Goes West - It's a running joke that sequels to Disney movies are useless and unnecessary, but sequels to Don Bluth movies, which have never actually involved Don Bluth, are even worse.  Cases in point: The Secret of NIMH 2 and the umpteen zillion continuations of The Land before Time.  The one exception: Feivel Goes West.  Not only does the movie present an entertaining new chapter in the story of Feivel and his family, it wraps that chapter around a subtle history lesson of the U.S.A's growth and expansion (even if the lessons are perhaps a bit out of order, since the push westward mostly happened before the Statue of Liberty's unveiling).  Granted, it's still not as good as the first movie, and it gets downright silly in places, but hey, John Cleese as a shifty real estate feline.  What more can you ask for?


Was one of my favorite movies in my youth, actually... the last time I would've seen it, I'd have had zero idea who John Cleese was. Interesting tidbit.
 
2013-07-15 10:09:40 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: BravadoGT: Highlander 2
Predator 2

/got nothin'

There was no Highlander 2.  I've never heard of it.  Seen it. When I google it, the screen goes black, the room darkens and I hear a primal scream of terror and wake up on the floor in a fetal position, sobbing.

There is no Highlander 2.


I've paid good money to a hypnotherapist to be able to agree with you.

/Silly idea
//It would be like a sequel to "Eddy and the Cruisers"
 
2013-07-15 11:44:03 PM  

karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Unnecessary and bad:

Let's try that again:

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Three words - "teenaged Linda Blair". That's all I needed to know.
/Rick James knew it too
 
2013-07-16 03:49:41 AM  

thecpt: It's a movie I really like, and if you talk about it seriously as you've done then I'll try to help with my answers.


Thanks, I always appreciate a good discussion about movies.  Thanks for your answers, but I still find them kind of "deus ex machina" compared to the original movie.  For example, in "The Matrix" we're told that everyone's mind is hooked up to a virtual world, and if your body in the virtual world dies, your body in the real world also dies "because the body cannot live without the mind".  Very sci-fi, but that all makes sense.  Compare that to, say, the explanation of how Neo "freed" Agent Smith.  Funny, upon watching the first movie I'd be strongly tempted to use the word "destroyed", not "freed".  ;-)

I just found the first movie to make a lot of logical sense, step-by-step, even given all the new age mysticism that surrounded the proceedings.  In the next two movies, I thought that the new age mysticism became the proceedings and really kind of overwhelmed them.  They went away from the sci-fi world of the first movie and into deep philosophical territory where basically any answer could become valid, because now it didn't have to make logical sense any more.

But different opinions are what make the world go around.  Like I said I only saw the next two movies one time, when they opened in theaters, and since it's been so long I'm not in a good place to analyze them.  I remember walking away from Reloaded thinking to myself, "Since that was ostensibly the first part of a two part movie, I sure hope they explain some of what I just saw in the next movie."  Unfortunately I thought Revolutions just made it more confusing.  I'm glad you like these movies, well Reloaded anyway.  But the logic used in them just didn't make the same kind of sense as in the first movie, and I guess that would be my main complaint.  I admit you have me a bit curious to watch them again now, just to see if my opinion might change on a second, well-removed-from-the-time-period second viewing.
 
2013-07-16 07:02:16 AM  

karmachameleon: Compare that to, say, the explanation of how Neo "freed" Agent Smith. Funny, upon watching the first movie I'd be strongly tempted to use the word "destroyed", not "freed". ;-)


He wasn't "destroyed" he was moved to the Recycle Bin.  He was supposed to stay there until it was emptied, but he escaped ro wreak havoc on the system, and began overwriting other files on the system with copies of himself.  He has a virus, the very label he so scornfully applied to humanity in the first film.
 
2013-07-16 09:46:25 AM  

Wireless Joe: Hi guyz, what's going on in this thread?

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Yeah, but to be fair, he was pretty damn cool.
 
2013-07-16 09:46:57 AM  
Empire Strikes Back - You go from believable gritty and dirty space ships and speeders that aren't always fully operational to super clean highly polished environments that all seem to look like they just rolled off the factory floor.  Even Vader looked newer.
 
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