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(Brooklyn Heights Blog)   NY Daily News does a piece about bartenders who pack baseball bats aka the "guns of the Stone Age" behind their bars. One bar owner, who played narc Gaetano Caiozzo on Boardwalk Empire, strongly disagrees   (brooklynheightsblog.com) divider line 41
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2013-07-14 08:40:27 PM
3 votes:
In addition to an aluminum t-ball bat I have a heavily taped yellow "wiffle" bat.

Hit someone with the real bat and you might kill them... but you can whoop the living shiat out of someone with that yellow bat and it won't fold, it won't bend, it'll break fingers, it'll split scalps but will never seriously injure someone. 

Very useful tool as most people know you won't proactively hit them with a real bat.  But when you come from around the bar with that plastic bat with a wrist strap so you can't lose it, they know they're in for a beat down.

/when I have time I give it a squirt of dish washing liquid to make it impossible for them to grab
//have used it
///word travels
2013-07-14 10:05:43 PM
2 votes:
Technically, the gun of the Stone Age would be the atlatl and dart.
2013-07-14 08:37:54 PM
2 votes:
I always thought that the bottle of Galliano was the weapon of choice for bartenders.

Every bar has a bottle, but no one drinks the stuff...
2013-07-14 08:36:44 PM
2 votes:

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


Can't speak authoritatively on baseball bats, but a sword pommel (or guard) strike to the face will ruin someone's whole day. That, and a number of other techniques found in historically documented martial systems, are options within tight spaces.
2013-07-14 08:33:54 PM
2 votes:

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


If you're standing behind the bar and they're not, there's plenty of space.

/worked at places where bats were kept under the bar
2013-07-15 04:19:04 AM
1 votes:

Thingster: redmid17: teenage mutant ninja rapist: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.

Put slugs in it

Still have issues with recoil and accuracy. There's a reason why most criminals and all policemen use handguns.

Lightweight and able to be concealed?

Given the option, most would prefer a light caliber rifle or a shotgun. Look at the proliferation of the "patrol rifle".


Handgun for accuracy, assault rifle for room-sweeping. That's why the AK-47 is the terrorist/gangster weapon of choice: Any fool can use it, it has no accuracy to speak of, but incredible reliability (won't jam if you try, shoots when the barrel is filled with dirt), and everywhere but the US the ammo can be had for a couple of chickens the box. The inability to aim the damn thing ensures everyone in the room will catch some lead when its used properly, i.e. spray&pray.

Depends what you want to have happen, really. Do you want to clear the room, or fill it with bodies?
2013-07-14 11:45:14 PM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Heathen: every time my buddy and I go to a new bar (sometimes old) his question 20 seconds in is, "close your eyes, where are the exits"

Which three letter organization does he work for?


worked, and won't say
2013-07-14 11:40:28 PM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Heathen: every time my buddy and I go to a new bar (sometimes old) his question 20 seconds in is, "close your eyes, where are the exits"

Which three letter organization does he work for?


Some people learn that lesson the hard way, once bitten, twice shy, so to speak.  Always know how to get out of a building...
2013-07-14 11:12:18 PM
1 votes:

Treygreen13: redmid17: Treygreen13: dittybopper: Treygreen13: dittybopper: Technically, the gun of the Stone Age would be the atlatl and dart.

Good luck swinging one of those behind a bar, though.

I think I could swing an atlatl behind a bar.  generally, they're only about 12 to 15 inches long.

I think if you had the time to load and sling an atlatl you'd have the time to grab and swing a bat.

But I know what you mean. Just arguing about ancient weapons because, honestly, how often do we get the opportunity to do that? It's awesome.

Cheers.

Would it be practical to load and launch an atlatl with a drink on the end? They could get rid of servers entirely if we could do that.

Who wants a Vodka Martini at 96mph?!


Who wants a vodka martini?

/i'm no communist
//or james bond
2013-07-14 11:07:30 PM
1 votes:

redmid17: Treygreen13: dittybopper: Treygreen13: dittybopper: Technically, the gun of the Stone Age would be the atlatl and dart.

Good luck swinging one of those behind a bar, though.

I think I could swing an atlatl behind a bar.  generally, they're only about 12 to 15 inches long.

I think if you had the time to load and sling an atlatl you'd have the time to grab and swing a bat.

But I know what you mean. Just arguing about ancient weapons because, honestly, how often do we get the opportunity to do that? It's awesome.

Cheers.

Would it be practical to load and launch an atlatl with a drink on the end? They could get rid of servers entirely if we could do that.


Who wants a Vodka Martini at 96mph?!
2013-07-14 11:06:47 PM
1 votes:
a liquor bottle, a beer bottle (esp a Galliano) creates incredible destruction to humans.
Not CSB, saw a kid catch a Schmidts bottle with his face.
The surgeon spent over four hours picking glass out of the kid.
Hadda testify at the trial.
My best friend got laid out via pool cue as he was taking his shot.   Subduralhematomas  are nasty little items to come back from and to be truthful he damn near didn't.

So unless you want to be the next George Zimmerman, walking away / calling 5-0 / leaving the weapons on the bar, has it's benefits.
2013-07-14 11:04:57 PM
1 votes:
The Willie T, at Norman Island, has a shortened, lead shotted baseball bat as a bar protector, affectionately named, "Yer asked for it."

/Also a 6 1/2 foot long pet barracuda.
2013-07-14 10:54:39 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Treygreen13: dittybopper: Technically, the gun of the Stone Age would be the atlatl and dart.

Good luck swinging one of those behind a bar, though.

I think I could swing an atlatl behind a bar.  generally, they're only about 12 to 15 inches long.


I think if you had the time to load and sling an atlatl you'd have the time to grab and swing a bat.

But I know what you mean. Just arguing about ancient weapons because, honestly, how often do we get the opportunity to do that? It's awesome.

Cheers.
2013-07-14 10:34:53 PM
1 votes:

redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.

You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.

Not gonna lie, if you have to bust out the SBS to break up a bar fight, there might not be too many innocent patrons. I'd rather have a handgun because you have more rounds and it's smaller with less recoil, but that is just me.

/BLAM BLAM

Oh, I wouldn't get all buckshotty on a bar fight.  I was envisioning a robbery scenario where I cower on the floor like a little girl to distract/disgust the would-be robber while I secretly retrieve the belly buster.  Firing from that angle would minimize collateral damage from the over-penetration, but cleanup on the ceiling would be a b*tch.

Oh in that case he was asking for it. I'm sure insurance would cover the ceiling. Worse comes to worse, just make a barback or busboy wipe it down with bleach water and paint over it. $100 at most.


Leave the bloodstains and name a shot after the robber, imo.
2013-07-14 10:32:06 PM
1 votes:

redmid17: Treygreen13: dittybopper: Technically, the gun of the Stone Age would be the atlatl and dart.

Good luck swinging one of those behind a bar, though.

I was under the impression you don't "swing" an atlatl


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"Fling" maybe? Either way if you can't get enough space to swing a baseball bat I doubt you can get your atlatl prepared to fly.
2013-07-14 10:30:31 PM
1 votes:
Oh and if we are escalating the discussion to a higher level of skill, there is a little thing fighters do called 'creating space' :)
2013-07-14 10:28:48 PM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


Define "effective" because while there are any number of better weapons, you can still hit hard with a bat up close.

You can use them for a straight thrust to the ribs or face. If someone goes low you can strike their back or head with the butt in a hammer strike. You can also choke someone with it.

If nothing else in a variety of situations the bat will add weight and hardness to a strike. Certainly much better tohave the bat than not.
2013-07-14 10:23:33 PM
1 votes:
When did this suddenly become news?  Most bars have bats or nightsticks behind them.
2013-07-14 10:18:31 PM
1 votes:
A simple rattan stick works better than anything else you can imagine.  Search "eskrima".

In a pinch PVC pipe works too but it tends to shatter.
2013-07-14 10:11:54 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Technically, the gun of the Stone Age would be the atlatl and dart.


Good luck swinging one of those behind a bar, though.
2013-07-14 10:03:23 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: gnosis301: Mentat: albuquerquehalsey: Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?

A.K.A. Knives

Knives won't reach across a bar.

Which is why you duct tape them to brooms.

Then you're right back to the sword issue.


Lead-filled tire thumper, motion arm is shorter and it will knock 'em out
2013-07-14 10:03:04 PM
1 votes:
If someone really were going to insist on not having a gun behind the bar, I'd recommend something more along the lines of a cane. Maybe a shillelagh or something like that. Lighter and more maneuverable than a bat: not so good for swinging, but others have pointed out why you wouldn't really want to swing something around in a bar anyway. You won't kill anyone with something like this, but a good hard poke will still farking hurt, possibly enough to get your message across

A broom handle would work in a pinch, but they're not as durable, and a broken broom handle becomes a lot more dangerous (albeit shorter). If the bad guy's safety is your concern, you want something that won't suddenly find itself with a pointy end.
2013-07-14 09:53:30 PM
1 votes:

gnosis301: Mentat: albuquerquehalsey: Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?

A.K.A. Knives

Knives won't reach across a bar.

Which is why you duct tape them to brooms.


Then you're right back to the sword issue.
2013-07-14 09:51:35 PM
1 votes:

smells_like_meat: hasty ambush: "If one of my bartenders is a 5-foot-4 woman and some guy takes it from her, I've just given someone a weapon. The best defense for a bartender to have is the bar itself. It's a barrier."

Rule one do not have a 5' 4" bartenderess if your clientele tend to need to be keep in line with a baseball bat.

Rule Two, let's set up completely fake criteria to justify our position.

"If one of my bartenders is a 5-foot-4 woman who is also a deaf quadriplegic with ADD, ah I forget the point that I was trying to make".


Sounds like it could be the beginning of an incredible specific fetish porn shoot though.
2013-07-14 09:37:15 PM
1 votes:
"If one of my bartenders is a 5-foot-4 woman and some guy takes it from her, I've just given someone a weapon. The best defense for a bartender to have is the bar itself. It's a barrier."

Rule one do not have a 5' 4" bartenderess if your clientele tend to need to be keep in line with a baseball bat.
2013-07-14 09:31:34 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: albuquerquehalsey: Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?

A.K.A. Knives

Knives won't reach across a bar.


What about a long knife?
2013-07-14 08:47:48 PM
1 votes:
I grew up in a bar.  Really, my father owns a seedy bikini-bar/ dive in a sketchy section of town.  One of the first rules I learned upon growing up and doing a bit of work there was to keep weapons out of the place.  None on the patrons, none behind the bar.  If any innocent bystander gets hurt you can be sued into oblivion and/or even face criminal prosecution.  If we had ever found a bartender with so much as a knife or bat they'd have been fired on the spot.

The cops only had one suggestion really.  A double barrel shotgun with a couple blanks in it.  At point-blank range the gas and wad will seriously fark someone up but mostly the idea is to fire a shot into the air.  Bars are very crowded cramped spaces, and a 12 gauge discharge will essentially be like tossing a flash-bang grenade into the room.

Really, if a place is prone to fights, you need a bouncer (or four).  A huge hulk of a guy who can be relied on mostly to intimidate people, and occasionally to use a pool cue on the truly stupid.
2013-07-14 08:44:41 PM
1 votes:

Giant Clown Shoe: In addition to an aluminum t-ball bat I have a heavily taped yellow "wiffle" bat.

Hit someone with the real bat and you might kill them... but you can whoop the living shiat out of someone with that yellow bat and it won't fold, it won't bend, it'll break fingers, it'll split scalps but will never seriously injure someone. 

Very useful tool as most people know you won't proactively hit them with a real bat.  But when you come from around the bar with that plastic bat with a wrist strap so you can't lose it, they know they're in for a beat down.

/when I have time I give it a squirt of dish washing liquid to make it impossible for them to grab
//have used it
///word travels


//taking notes.
2013-07-14 08:37:32 PM
1 votes:

staplermofo: FTFA: I've just given someone a weapon.

Has this guy never seen a movie with a bar fight?  Bottles, pool cues and bar stools all the way.  Some guy gets tossed through a hanging light and another into a pinball machine.  Then the barkeep wipes the bar, takes the money the good guy throws on the counter and pours another drink.  Sheesh, everybody knows that.


You forgot the part where the barkeep breaks a bottle over somebody's head.
2013-07-14 08:36:51 PM
1 votes:
I used to pack a 20" souvenir bat underneath the front seat of my car. Well balanced at peppered with glass from busted beer bottles.   Very good for the quick stun and face fark up.

Been on the business end of a 18" piece of 3/4" iron gas pipe.  Damn near broke my arm.
2013-07-14 08:36:48 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?


A.K.A. Knives
2013-07-14 08:36:35 PM
1 votes:
6D cell Maglite flashlight.. Functional behind a dark bar. A baseball bat can be considered a weapon, unless is signed and mounted on the wall as part of the "decor". This is from when I was working in Texas and no weapons were permitted in any establishment that sold alcohol (including convenience stores). A longneck beer bottle could do in a pinch, but give me a 3 or 4 pound, essentially shortened Little League aluminum bat, and I could make that work.
2013-07-14 08:35:04 PM
1 votes:

Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.

You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.


Not gonna lie, if you have to bust out the SBS to break up a bar fight, there might not be too many innocent patrons. I'd rather have a handgun because you have more rounds and it's smaller with less recoil, but that is just me.

/BLAM BLAM
2013-07-14 08:34:33 PM
1 votes:

Bung_Howdy: csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes). Hard charging prosecutor only dropped it at the last second before going to trial. What a dick- knew full well I was coming back from a game...

/notices none of my csb stories are really cool- mostly frustrating


You sound attractive and successful.
2013-07-14 08:32:11 PM
1 votes:

redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.


You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.
2013-07-14 08:30:58 PM
1 votes:

thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?


No one knows.
2013-07-14 08:28:24 PM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


What about thrusting swords?
2013-07-14 08:22:45 PM
1 votes:
Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.
2013-07-14 06:23:44 PM
1 votes:

thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?


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Yes.
2013-07-14 05:37:10 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: I've just given someone a weapon.

Has this guy never seen a movie with a bar fight?  Bottles, pool cues and bar stools all the way.  Some guy gets tossed through a hanging light and another into a pinball machine.  Then the barkeep wipes the bar, takes the money the good guy throws on the counter and pours another drink.  Sheesh, everybody knows that.
2013-07-14 05:17:27 PM
1 votes:
They played baseball in the Stone Age?
 
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