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(Brooklyn Heights Blog)   NY Daily News does a piece about bartenders who pack baseball bats aka the "guns of the Stone Age" behind their bars. One bar owner, who played narc Gaetano Caiozzo on Boardwalk Empire, strongly disagrees   (brooklynheightsblog.com) divider line 136
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2013-07-14 05:17:27 PM  
They played baseball in the Stone Age?
 
2013-07-14 05:21:39 PM  
B-b-b-but a good guy with a gun trumps a bad guy with a gun...
 
2013-07-14 05:37:10 PM  
FTFA: I've just given someone a weapon.

Has this guy never seen a movie with a bar fight?  Bottles, pool cues and bar stools all the way.  Some guy gets tossed through a hanging light and another into a pinball machine.  Then the barkeep wipes the bar, takes the money the good guy throws on the counter and pours another drink.  Sheesh, everybody knows that.
 
2013-07-14 06:23:44 PM  

thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?


photos1.blogger.com

Yes.
 
2013-07-14 07:23:33 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?

[photos1.blogger.com image 400x326]

Yes.


www.wired.com

"You know that the Flinstones is only partly based on fact?"
 
2013-07-14 08:19:21 PM  
What?
 
2013-07-14 08:22:45 PM  
Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.
 
2013-07-14 08:23:06 PM  

staplermofo: FTFA: I've just given someone a weapon.

Has this guy never seen a movie with a bar fight?  Bottles, pool cues and bar stools all the way.  Some guy gets tossed through a hanging light and another into a pinball machine.  Then the barkeep wipes the bar, takes the money the good guy throws on the counter and pours another drink.  Sheesh, everybody knows that.


Everyone knows this. Thats day 1 in bartender school.
 
2013-07-14 08:24:10 PM  
www.ncwcom.com

?
 
2013-07-14 08:26:39 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

static.giantbomb.com
 
2013-07-14 08:28:24 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


What about thrusting swords?
 
2013-07-14 08:29:54 PM  
If the mafia kills you with a bat,They say you died of Lou Gehrigs Disease.

/no such thing
 
2013-07-14 08:29:59 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]


Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.
 
2013-07-14 08:30:58 PM  

thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?


No one knows.
 
2013-07-14 08:31:44 PM  
csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes). Hard charging prosecutor only dropped it at the last second before going to trial. What a dick- knew full well I was coming back from a game...

/notices none of my csb stories are really cool- mostly frustrating
 
2013-07-14 08:32:11 PM  

redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.


You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.
 
2013-07-14 08:33:07 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


True. Better to have a pair of sai tucked into the back of your waistband.
 
2013-07-14 08:33:54 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


If you're standing behind the bar and they're not, there's plenty of space.

/worked at places where bats were kept under the bar
 
2013-07-14 08:34:27 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


If you're back swinging a sword, you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-07-14 08:34:33 PM  

Bung_Howdy: csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes). Hard charging prosecutor only dropped it at the last second before going to trial. What a dick- knew full well I was coming back from a game...

/notices none of my csb stories are really cool- mostly frustrating


You sound attractive and successful.
 
2013-07-14 08:35:04 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.

You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.


Not gonna lie, if you have to bust out the SBS to break up a bar fight, there might not be too many innocent patrons. I'd rather have a handgun because you have more rounds and it's smaller with less recoil, but that is just me.

/BLAM BLAM
 
2013-07-14 08:36:35 PM  
6D cell Maglite flashlight.. Functional behind a dark bar. A baseball bat can be considered a weapon, unless is signed and mounted on the wall as part of the "decor". This is from when I was working in Texas and no weapons were permitted in any establishment that sold alcohol (including convenience stores). A longneck beer bottle could do in a pinch, but give me a 3 or 4 pound, essentially shortened Little League aluminum bat, and I could make that work.
 
2013-07-14 08:36:44 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


Can't speak authoritatively on baseball bats, but a sword pommel (or guard) strike to the face will ruin someone's whole day. That, and a number of other techniques found in historically documented martial systems, are options within tight spaces.
 
2013-07-14 08:36:48 PM  

Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?


A.K.A. Knives
 
2013-07-14 08:36:51 PM  
I used to pack a 20" souvenir bat underneath the front seat of my car. Well balanced at peppered with glass from busted beer bottles.   Very good for the quick stun and face fark up.

Been on the business end of a 18" piece of 3/4" iron gas pipe.  Damn near broke my arm.
 
2013-07-14 08:37:32 PM  

staplermofo: FTFA: I've just given someone a weapon.

Has this guy never seen a movie with a bar fight?  Bottles, pool cues and bar stools all the way.  Some guy gets tossed through a hanging light and another into a pinball machine.  Then the barkeep wipes the bar, takes the money the good guy throws on the counter and pours another drink.  Sheesh, everybody knows that.


You forgot the part where the barkeep breaks a bottle over somebody's head.
 
2013-07-14 08:37:54 PM  
I always thought that the bottle of Galliano was the weapon of choice for bartenders.

Every bar has a bottle, but no one drinks the stuff...
 
2013-07-14 08:40:27 PM  
In addition to an aluminum t-ball bat I have a heavily taped yellow "wiffle" bat.

Hit someone with the real bat and you might kill them... but you can whoop the living shiat out of someone with that yellow bat and it won't fold, it won't bend, it'll break fingers, it'll split scalps but will never seriously injure someone. 

Very useful tool as most people know you won't proactively hit them with a real bat.  But when you come from around the bar with that plastic bat with a wrist strap so you can't lose it, they know they're in for a beat down.

/when I have time I give it a squirt of dish washing liquid to make it impossible for them to grab
//have used it
///word travels
 
2013-07-14 08:44:41 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: In addition to an aluminum t-ball bat I have a heavily taped yellow "wiffle" bat.

Hit someone with the real bat and you might kill them... but you can whoop the living shiat out of someone with that yellow bat and it won't fold, it won't bend, it'll break fingers, it'll split scalps but will never seriously injure someone. 

Very useful tool as most people know you won't proactively hit them with a real bat.  But when you come from around the bar with that plastic bat with a wrist strap so you can't lose it, they know they're in for a beat down.

/when I have time I give it a squirt of dish washing liquid to make it impossible for them to grab
//have used it
///word travels


//taking notes.
 
2013-07-14 08:44:42 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?

A.K.A. Knives


Knives won't reach across a bar.
 
2013-07-14 08:45:03 PM  

PainfulItching: 6D cell Maglite flashlight.. Functional behind a dark bar. A baseball bat can be considered a weapon, unless is signed and mounted on the wall as part of the "decor". This is from when I was working in Texas and no weapons were permitted in any establishment that sold alcohol (including convenience stores). A longneck beer bottle could do in a pinch, but give me a 3 or 4 pound, essentially shortened Little League aluminum bat, and I could make that work.


those things are awesome. my buddies dad who was a cop always carried that instead of his nightstick (which he gave to his son to go hit things with- thanks rural police department rules!) it was useful and he could beat some crack head with it, after the K9 was done with the mauling
 
2013-07-14 08:46:02 PM  

Bung_Howdy: csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes).


How many bags of Skittles were you carrying?
 
2013-07-14 08:47:48 PM  
I grew up in a bar.  Really, my father owns a seedy bikini-bar/ dive in a sketchy section of town.  One of the first rules I learned upon growing up and doing a bit of work there was to keep weapons out of the place.  None on the patrons, none behind the bar.  If any innocent bystander gets hurt you can be sued into oblivion and/or even face criminal prosecution.  If we had ever found a bartender with so much as a knife or bat they'd have been fired on the spot.

The cops only had one suggestion really.  A double barrel shotgun with a couple blanks in it.  At point-blank range the gas and wad will seriously fark someone up but mostly the idea is to fire a shot into the air.  Bars are very crowded cramped spaces, and a 12 gauge discharge will essentially be like tossing a flash-bang grenade into the room.

Really, if a place is prone to fights, you need a bouncer (or four).  A huge hulk of a guy who can be relied on mostly to intimidate people, and occasionally to use a pool cue on the truly stupid.
 
2013-07-14 08:49:15 PM  

redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.

You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.

Not gonna lie, if you have to bust out the SBS to break up a bar fight, there might not be too many innocent patrons. I'd rather have a handgun because you have more rounds and it's smaller with less recoil, but that is just me.

/BLAM BLAM


Oh, I wouldn't get all buckshotty on a bar fight.  I was envisioning a robbery scenario where I cower on the floor like a little girl to distract/disgust the would-be robber while I secretly retrieve the belly buster.  Firing from that angle would minimize collateral damage from the over-penetration, but cleanup on the ceiling would be a b*tch.
 
2013-07-14 08:50:21 PM  
Bartenders in my pub will be armed with plasma ciphers.  Keeps the riff-raff at arm's length.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-14 08:52:02 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?

No one knows.


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-07-14 08:54:22 PM  
The problem with bats...

i157.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 08:54:25 PM  

wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.


That's going to be news to anyone who was ever in a bar fight, sword fight, or got clipped with a chair in a dorm brawl.

Or were you under the impression all of those only took place in wide-open fields like in the movies?
 
2013-07-14 08:56:16 PM  
I worked at a nightclub, bats and such were a big definite no. One of our bartenders would keep a bar towel rolled tightly and soaked in water in the freezer. He called it his slapsicle.
 
2013-07-14 08:57:52 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: redmid17: Psycoholic_Slag: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

So true.  This would be my first choice for behind-the-bar security:

[static.giantbomb.com image 640x549]

Eh bad idea. Spread on a SBS would likely hit innocent bystanders unless your bar is only filled with bad guys. Better to get a handgun, small caliber or not.

You know, the safety of my patrons never entered my mind.  I'd probably suck at owning a bar.

Not gonna lie, if you have to bust out the SBS to break up a bar fight, there might not be too many innocent patrons. I'd rather have a handgun because you have more rounds and it's smaller with less recoil, but that is just me.

/BLAM BLAM

Oh, I wouldn't get all buckshotty on a bar fight.  I was envisioning a robbery scenario where I cower on the floor like a little girl to distract/disgust the would-be robber while I secretly retrieve the belly buster.  Firing from that angle would minimize collateral damage from the over-penetration, but cleanup on the ceiling would be a b*tch.


Oh in that case he was asking for it. I'm sure insurance would cover the ceiling. Worse comes to worse, just make a barback or busboy wipe it down with bleach water and paint over it. $100 at most.
 
2013-07-14 09:07:13 PM  

Mentat: albuquerquehalsey: Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?

A.K.A. Knives

Knives won't reach across a bar.


Which is why you duct tape them to brooms.
 
2013-07-14 09:07:28 PM  
Notice to all would-be burglars, ne'er do wells, and houligans:   Atlantic Avenue's Roebling Inn's bartenders are completely unarmed.  They should have included a Google map.  Most people in those categories don't have GPS.
 
2013-07-14 09:07:30 PM  

humanshrapnel: 7th Son of a 7th Son: thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?

No one knows.

[ts1.mm.bing.net image 120x125]


Sometimes.  I think they'd pretty much go with the flow.
 
2013-07-14 09:08:44 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: thamike: They played baseball in the Stone Age?

No one knows.


*golf clap*
 
2013-07-14 09:12:22 PM  

Boris S. Wort: The problem with bats...

[i157.photobucket.com image 478x357]


Hocus pocus, I'm an umpire!
 
2013-07-14 09:13:11 PM  
If the bar is such a good barrier that it prevents a "bad guy" from harming the bartender, does it not also follow that it would prevent the bad guy from taking the gun?

We get it. You're scared.
 
2013-07-14 09:23:21 PM  

Fabric_Man: Bung_Howdy: csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes). Hard charging prosecutor only dropped it at the last second before going to trial. What a dick- knew full well I was coming back from a game...

/notices none of my csb stories are really cool- mostly frustrating

You sound attractive and successful.



I am indeed, both.
 
2013-07-14 09:24:13 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Bung_Howdy: csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes).

How many bags of Skittles were you carrying?


believe it or not, pre- skittles


/old fark
 
2013-07-14 09:25:50 PM  

Bung_Howdy: poot_rootbeer: Bung_Howdy: csb: I was prosecuted in southern California as a young man for felony hidden weapon possession for my basebal bat in my (baseball) bag (along with glove and clothes).

How many bags of Skittles were you carrying?

believe it or not, pre- skittles


/old fark


There was a time that skittles didn't exist? Truly those were the dark times.
 
2013-07-14 09:31:34 PM  

Mentat: albuquerquehalsey: Mentat: wildcardjack: Bats, like swords, require too much backswing to make an effective weapon in a tight space.

What about thrusting swords?

A.K.A. Knives

Knives won't reach across a bar.


What about a long knife?
 
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