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2013-07-14 03:51:45 PM
So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.
 
2013-07-14 03:55:52 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.


Did you expect Obama to take the high road?
 
2013-07-14 04:02:22 PM
Meh.
 
2013-07-14 04:07:19 PM
Wow, not as ham-fisted as I thought it'd be. His handlers must have spent a week writing it.
 
2013-07-14 04:09:23 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.


Please tell me you're being sarcastic. I can't allow myself to believe anyone (except JWP) is so stupid as to read that statement and think that.
 
2013-07-14 04:21:56 PM

Ambivalence: Please tell me you're being sarcastic. I can't allow myself to believe anyone (except JWP) is so stupid as to read that statement and think that.


Why would you be surprised? These are the same people that thought Obamas first statement on the whole affair was racist and practically an illegal interference in Florida's legal system.
 
2013-07-14 04:25:31 PM
The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:01 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.


wat
 
2013-07-14 04:32:30 PM

FloydA: The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.


It certainly did, but I doubt all those Martin supporters calling for violence against Zimmerman will really act on it.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:11 PM

Nabb1: FloydA: The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.

It certainly did, but I doubt all those Martin supporters calling for violence against Zimmerman will really act on it.


Agreed, it certainly did. The talk on the conservative radio stations have all taken the high road.  Good for them!
 
2013-07-14 04:46:56 PM
Good statement

Obama needed to be graceful due to the subject matter and he succeeded at it perfectly
 
2013-07-14 04:54:57 PM

BunkyBrewman: Nabb1: FloydA: The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.

It certainly did, but I doubt all those Martin supporters calling for violence against Zimmerman will really act on it.

Agreed, it certainly did. The talk on the conservative radio stations have all taken the high road.  Good for them!


I'll take your word for it. You're probably more familiar with that sort of thing than I am.
 
2013-07-14 04:58:48 PM
Please tell that to your AG, Mr. President.  Double jeopardy erodes our rights much more than a Zimmerman acquittal ever could.
 
2013-07-14 05:03:58 PM

doyner: Please tell that to your AG, Mr. President.  Double jeopardy erodes our rights much more than a Zimmerman acquittal ever could.


Is Double Jeopardy something that we should keep as is?

Someone on Fark made an excellent suggestion that we add a new type of Jury findings: Not Proven.

I added that maybe the Double Jeopardy rule should be suspended in case of such a ruling to allow retrials at a later date.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but sometimes I have to question whether it is the right thing or not
 
2013-07-14 05:05:14 PM

Nabb1: FloydA: The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.

It certainly did, but I doubt all those Martin supporters calling for violence against Zimmerman will really act on it.


Yeah I'd hate for someone to act irrational and take the law into their own hands because they're sick of those people always getting away with it
 
2013-07-14 05:05:21 PM

Nabb1: BunkyBrewman: Nabb1: FloydA: The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.

It certainly did, but I doubt all those Martin supporters calling for violence against Zimmerman will really act on it.

Agreed, it certainly did. The talk on the conservative radio stations have all taken the high road.  Good for them!

I'll take your word for it. You're probably more familiar with that sort of thing than I am.


Well, nobody listens to those guys anyway, right?  I mean, the Black Panthers calling for violence has more impact than the "conservative" media, no doubt.

But, you're right.  None of the dickheads on either "side" will apologize for anything.  That's what makes them dickheads.  In part.
 
2013-07-14 05:07:11 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.


Dude, second paragraph.

President Barack Obama called on Sunday for "calm reflection" following the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

 "we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken."


You do know some people actually RTFA. Why do you even try that?

Seems to me like calling for calm and saying a jury has spoken while recognizing that this was a tragedy is exactly the right approach to take here.

Political gain? Like what, a third term? How the fark is calling for calm "race baiting"?
 
2013-07-14 05:10:38 PM

cman: doyner: Please tell that to your AG, Mr. President.  Double jeopardy erodes our rights much more than a Zimmerman acquittal ever could.

Is Double Jeopardy something that we should keep as is?

Someone on Fark made an excellent suggestion that we add a new type of Jury findings: Not Proven.

I added that maybe the Double Jeopardy rule should be suspended in case of such a ruling to allow retrials at a later date.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but sometimes I have to question whether it is the right thing or not


Double jeopardy as is wouldn't apply should the DOJ decide to pursue some sort of civil rights case against Zimmerman.

I like the idea of the Not Proven jury finding, but getting rid of double jeopardy would mean there's nothing stopping the state from just trying someone over and over again until they find a jury sympathetic to the desired outcome.
 
2013-07-14 05:10:45 PM

cman: doyner: Please tell that to your AG, Mr. President.  Double jeopardy erodes our rights much more than a Zimmerman acquittal ever could.

Is Double Jeopardy something that we should keep as is?

Someone on Fark made an excellent suggestion that we add a new type of Jury findings: Not Proven.

I added that maybe the Double Jeopardy rule should be suspended in case of such a ruling to allow retrials at a later date.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but sometimes I have to question whether it is the right thing or not


When it is subject to political pressures, it is NOT the right thing.
 
2013-07-14 05:13:56 PM

Aarontology: cman: doyner: Please tell that to your AG, Mr. President.  Double jeopardy erodes our rights much more than a Zimmerman acquittal ever could.

Is Double Jeopardy something that we should keep as is?

Someone on Fark made an excellent suggestion that we add a new type of Jury findings: Not Proven.

I added that maybe the Double Jeopardy rule should be suspended in case of such a ruling to allow retrials at a later date.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but sometimes I have to question whether it is the right thing or not

Double jeopardy as is wouldn't apply should the DOJ decide to pursue some sort of civil rights case against Zimmerman.

I like the idea of the Not Proven jury finding, but getting rid of double jeopardy would mean there's nothing stopping the state from just trying someone over and over again until they find a jury sympathetic to the desired outcome.


It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.
 
2013-07-14 05:14:48 PM

doyner: cman: doyner: Please tell that to your AG, Mr. President.  Double jeopardy erodes our rights much more than a Zimmerman acquittal ever could.

Is Double Jeopardy something that we should keep as is?

Someone on Fark made an excellent suggestion that we add a new type of Jury findings: Not Proven.

I added that maybe the Double Jeopardy rule should be suspended in case of such a ruling to allow retrials at a later date.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but sometimes I have to question whether it is the right thing or not

When it is subject to political pressures, it is NOT the right thing.


You are right.

We are in a highly emotional state of mind.

We will say and do things that we wouldn't normally do.
 
2013-07-14 05:18:30 PM

cman: It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.


I'd be OK with that, as long as there was some sort of requirement for new evidence for the prosecution.
 
2013-07-14 05:24:22 PM

Aarontology: cman: It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.

I'd be OK with that, as long as there was some sort of requirement for new evidence for the prosecution.


SO long as we agree that we're ok with granting the state more power to lock us up for all the wonderful laws on the books.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:40 PM

Aarontology: cman: It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.

I'd be OK with that, as long as there was some sort of requirement for new evidence for the prosecution.


This is a really bad idea. No one gets a second bite at the apple. This case is not worth shredding our judicial system an hundreds of years of legal precedence.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:57 PM

doyner: Aarontology: cman: It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.

I'd be OK with that, as long as there was some sort of requirement for new evidence for the prosecution.

SO long as we agree that we're ok with granting the state more power to lock us up for all the wonderful laws on the books.


It's a thought exercise, not necessarily advocacy.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:32 PM

Nabb1: This is a really bad idea. No one gets a second bite at the apple. This case is not worth shredding our judicial system an hundreds of years of legal precedence.


I wouldn't apply it to this case, but it's interesting to think about.
 
2013-07-14 05:29:32 PM
"We are a nation of laws and the jury has spoken"

Well said.

Unfortunately, the more I learn about this thing, the more I think that the prosecution should have never brought charges against Zimmerman. This should have played out in civil court. Yes, a teenager is dead. But there is not convincing evidence of what happened other than vague audio tapes and hearsay/speculaton after the 911 call. While I, personally, don't think he had a chance for a SYG defense, he was reasonable in saying the shooting was justified given the escalation.

Point of order: Being a racist dickbag who likes to play cop is NOT illegal, necessarily.

However, I'm willing to be that had this played out in a civil court, and been laid out there, Zimmerman would have been demonstrated as acting when he did not have a legal duty to act, and negligently escalating the situation to where the use of lethal force took place. Even though the shooting was justified, his actions caused it to end that way.
 
2013-07-14 05:40:27 PM

Nabb1: Aarontology: cman: It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.

I'd be OK with that, as long as there was some sort of requirement for new evidence for the prosecution.

This is a really bad idea. No one gets a second bite at the apple. This case is not worth shredding our judicial system an hundreds of years of legal precedence.


The fact that people have these sacred cows shows what kind of problems we have today in the United States

Society evolves. Let it.

I am in favor of gay marriage. It is very unlikely that the founders of the United States believed in such, and yet we as a nation are evolving.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:34 PM
I've had jury duty.  The potential jurors asked for Jerry Springer to be put on in the waiting room.  It's a horrible system and we should come up with a better one.  Not try to mend it, just toss and start fresh.
 
2013-07-14 07:20:54 PM
I wonder if Obama will apologize now for his earlier statements. You know, now that an impartial jury, who had all the facts at their disposal, has determined that this was neither murder nor manslaughter.
 
2013-07-14 07:21:35 PM
I keep looking for the thread where all the jackasses who kept saying that there were going to be race riots across Florida if Zimmerman was found not guilty will admit they were wrong and apologize to all the people that said they were stupid for disagreeing with them.  I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath though...
 
2013-07-14 07:23:07 PM
TM wasn't Malcom X; he wasn't Rosa Parks; he wasn't Martin Luther King. TM was a little thug.
 
2013-07-14 07:23:33 PM
"We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis,"

Yeah, if there's one poignant take-away from this whole affair it's about farking gun control.
 
2013-07-14 07:24:00 PM

quatchi: FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.

Dude, second paragraph.

President Barack Obama called on Sunday for "calm reflection" following the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

 "we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken."

You do know some people actually RTFA. Why do you even try that?

Seems to me like calling for calm and saying a jury has spoken while recognizing that this was a tragedy is exactly the right approach to take here.

Political gain? Like what, a third term? How the fark is calling for calm "race baiting"?


I have him in grey as "police state fark".
 
2013-07-14 07:24:23 PM
Obama says Martin's death a tragedy, asks nation to respect call for calm

HOW DARE HE?!?!?

/biatch, crackers, etc
 
2013-07-14 07:24:27 PM
"If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon."

"Guns are evil."

Trayvon loved guns. Therefore, Trayvon isn't your son. He isn't even Kenyan.
 
2013-07-14 07:24:51 PM

cman: Is Double Jeopardy something that we should keep as is?

Someone on Fark made an excellent suggestion that we add a new type of Jury findings: Not Proven.

I added that maybe the Double Jeopardy rule should be suspended in case of such a ruling to allow retrials at a later date.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but sometimes I have to question whether it is the right thing or not


It's called a hung jury.

I understand why you are allowed to exist, but frequently I have to question whetehr it is the right thing or not.
 
2013-07-14 07:25:12 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.


The little bit of a statement in the article doesn't bear out what your saying here.

What did you hear?
 
2013-07-14 07:25:28 PM
In an asshole contest, there can be no winners, only losers.
 
2013-07-14 07:25:36 PM
This will be the last zimmerman thread
 
2013-07-14 07:25:53 PM
The butthurt around this place today is farking epic.
 
2013-07-14 07:26:00 PM
Our president is a political impotent, economic imbecile, judicial idiot and finally socially -- moron. I'm sorry, America. I'm sorry, World.
 
2013-07-14 07:26:28 PM

iheartscotch: TM wasn't Malcom X; he wasn't Rosa Parks; he wasn't Martin Luther King. TM was a little thug.



If not for Zim, he might've gone home and posted something gangsta online.
 
2013-07-14 07:26:59 PM

FloydA: The only good thing to come out of this whole sad, sorry affair is that it allowed the truly disgusting scumbags to out themselves.


But did there have to be so many?
 
2013-07-14 07:27:03 PM
We have stemmed the tide in gun violence, it's been going down for years.  It's an EBB tide.

I was not on the jury, did not see evidence not shown by a radio or TV shouter - how the heck am I supposed to decide if this cat is guilty or not.  Jury had THREE choices, could have convicted him two of the three ways and they did not.  This was supposedly a jury of his peers, I think the system worked.

Should the kid have died?  I dunno, was not there.
 
2013-07-14 07:27:33 PM

cman: Nabb1: Aarontology: cman: It could be tweaked to allow one jury ruling of Not Proven forcing the next trial to be Acquittal v Conviction. This will alleviate the problems of harassment by getting all Not Proven rulings.

I'd be OK with that, as long as there was some sort of requirement for new evidence for the prosecution.

This is a really bad idea. No one gets a second bite at the apple. This case is not worth shredding our judicial system an hundreds of years of legal precedence.

The fact that people have these sacred cows shows what kind of problems we have today in the United States

Society evolves. Let it.

I am in favor of gay marriage. It is very unlikely that the founders of the United States believed in such, and yet we as a nation are evolving.


Maybe the prosecution shouldn't indict someone if they have insufficient evidence, like it's supposed to be. Why should they get a free shot at prosecution knowing if they fail they get a do over on the publics dime? Defendants also have a right to a speedy trial. Getting one then having another one hang over their head indefinitely  while the prosecution looks for more evidence isn't the definition of speedy. That's a bad idea all around.
 
2013-07-14 07:27:44 PM
The only thing to come out of this trial has been people telling other people who is the worst. Kid throws punches and a guy pulls a trigger but the important thing is we all dust off our soap boxes.
 
2013-07-14 07:28:04 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 07:28:25 PM

jehovahs witness protection: FlyingLizardOfDoom: So nothing about respect for the rule of law or not picking a fight with a man with a gun if all you have are skittles?

Seems to me like he was race baiting in that statement and using the death of a black kid for political gain.

Did you expect Obama to take the high road?


No, we expect him to be high
 
2013-07-14 07:28:37 PM

hardinparamedic: the more I learn about this thing, the more I think that the prosecution should have never brought charges against Zimmerman.


Certainly not the set of charges that they did bring, but I'd be okay with it if most firearm-related deaths were prosecuted as manslaughter except in extraordinary circumstances.  Questions of whether lethal force was appropriately applied are better decided by a jury than by any one person.

It's hard to look at the police's decision to send George Zimmerman home without charges after loading a dead teenager into the morgue freezer and not see race-based favoritism.
 
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