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2013-07-14 03:55:10 PM
Well. That's not good.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:50 PM
We have the technology today to move beyond fossil fuels

It has a slow adoption, unfortunately, as being ecologically sound isn't a big selling point for many.

Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.

Someone out there has an idea that will change that; its only a matter of finding them.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 05:06:43 PM
It's negative feedback. It's a feature, not a bug.
 
2013-07-14 05:34:22 PM
heh
 
2013-07-14 06:48:02 PM
img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-07-14 06:48:21 PM
We need to transition to renewables and nuclear while we have the convenience of fossil fuels.

It'll be a b*tch if we run out of fossil fuels before we build the alternative energy infrastructure that we need.
 
2013-07-14 06:50:58 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: We need to transition to renewables and nuclear while we have the convenience of fossil fuels.

It'll be a b*tch if we run out of fossil fuels before we build the alternative energy infrastructure that we need.


Good luck with that. After the WPPSS debacle, private investors willing to put money into nuclear energy are about as common as supermodels who want me to spank them and call them "Mommy."
 
2013-07-14 06:53:18 PM
cheap and abundant fossil fuels

The reason why climate change is even an issue.
 
2013-07-14 06:54:05 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: We need to transition to renewables and nuclear while we have the convenience of fossil fuels.

It'll be a b*tch if we run out of fossil fuels before we build the alternative energy infrastructure that we need.


Especially since we still need fossil carbons to produce plastics and the like. It will go hard for all of us when the prices for the basic mechanisms of the modern world skyrocket because we have to make all of the plastics and synthetic orgos from plant oils. That's the part that scares me even more than global warming; by the time oil starts to run out it may not be possible for us to use our scientific knowledge or technology to recover, because we are so reliant on fossil carbons for just about everything in the modern world.
 
2013-07-14 06:57:28 PM

cman: Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.


www.blogcdn.com

0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds.
 
2013-07-14 06:58:13 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: we still need fossil carbons to produce plastics and the like


Or maybe not.
 
2013-07-14 06:59:58 PM
cman:

Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.


Wait, what?  Electric vehicles remain expensive and still have a somewhat limited range, but "hauling ass" is not an ability they lack. Or are you using some other term than the vernacular usage meaning "quick and fast"?
 
2013-07-14 07:00:21 PM
Obama's mouthpiece says whatever lies his boss tells him to?

Say it ain't so, Joe. Oh, wait, Joe's a puppet too.
 
2013-07-14 07:03:26 PM
In before 16 year chart tard.
 
2013-07-14 07:04:04 PM

fusillade762: cman: Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.

[www.blogcdn.com image 600x450]

0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds.


I saw an electric car yesterday that had a battery pack and drive train consisting of $30,000 worth of off the shelf parts that could do 0 to 60 in 1.8 seconds. For an ICE car you have to get pretty damn exotic to get that kind of performance.
 
2013-07-14 07:07:42 PM
Beautiful.

1) Billionaires rape the planet and buy the government
2) Greed and low regulations lead to poorly made, vulnerable infrastructure
3) Then the farked up climate destroys the oil equipment, driving up the price of gas and electricity to the point that half the country can't afford to live indoors or drive anymore.

Then when the poor moochers die, their bodies become the grass, and the Job Creator's dressage horses eat the grass. And so we are all connected in the great Circle of Life.

www.lionking.org
 
2013-07-14 07:09:07 PM
Is that why the price went up .20 this weekend. And all along I thought it was too cool to deliver gas this time of ear.
 
2013-07-14 07:10:30 PM

whidbey: cheap and abundant fossil fuels

The reason why climate change is even an issue.


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2013-07-14 07:11:17 PM

dookdookdook: Beautiful.

1) Billionaires rape the planet and buy the government
2) Greed and low regulations lead to poorly made, vulnerable infrastructure
3) Then the farked up climate destroys the oil equipment, driving up the price of gas and electricity to the point that half the country can't afford to live indoors or drive anymore.

Then when the poor moochers die, their bodies become the grass, and the Job Creator's dressage horses eat the grass. And so we are all connected in the great Circle of Life.

[www.lionking.org image 805x480]


Meds.  Do not forget to take. Otherwise..huh?
 
2013-07-14 07:13:15 PM
Insinuates that Climate Change (ya know, the repetitive cycle that will continue to occur with or without mankind's involvement) will lead to a disruption in energy products said to enhance climate change...

I think they just won the internets
 
2013-07-14 07:13:27 PM

Hollie Maea: I saw an electric car yesterday that had a battery pack and drive train consisting of $30,000 worth of off the shelf parts that could do 0 to 60 in 1.8 seconds. For an ICE car you have to get pretty damn exotic to get that kind of performance.


0-60 in 2 seconds isn't hard if all you want is an engine strapped to a chassis that only moves in a straight line.  It's the extra engineering demands that the whole "being able to turn without crashing" thing introduces that makes it rare in production cars.
 
2013-07-14 07:13:40 PM

fusillade762: cman: Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.

[www.blogcdn.com image 600x450]

0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds.


Can afford this or is it a time share thing?
 
2013-07-14 07:14:56 PM

clowncar on fire: dookdookdook: Beautiful.

1) Billionaires rape the planet and buy the government
2) Greed and low regulations lead to poorly made, vulnerable infrastructure
3) Then the farked up climate destroys the oil equipment, driving up the price of gas and electricity to the point that half the country can't afford to live indoors or drive anymore.

Then when the poor moochers die, their bodies become the grass, and the Job Creator's dressage horses eat the grass. And so we are all connected in the great Circle of Life.

[www.lionking.org image 805x480]

Meds.  Do not forget to take. Otherwise..huh?


I think you would do well to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter.
 
2013-07-14 07:16:46 PM

BMulligan: Or maybe not


NEAT.
 
2013-07-14 07:17:43 PM

dookdookdook: Hollie Maea: I saw an electric car yesterday that had a battery pack and drive train consisting of $30,000 worth of off the shelf parts that could do 0 to 60 in 1.8 seconds. For an ICE car you have to get pretty damn exotic to get that kind of performance.

0-60 in 2 seconds isn't hard if all you want is an engine strapped to a chassis that only moves in a straight line.  It's the extra engineering demands that the whole "being able to turn without crashing" thing introduces that makes it rare in production cars.


Wow...the point sailed way over your head.
 
2013-07-14 07:18:45 PM

Fjornir: I think you would do well to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter.


Sorry, I didn't realize one of the definitions of "sarcasm" was "making a movie reference that literally  everyone should get yet still managed to fly over one idiot's head".
 
2013-07-14 07:19:04 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: BMulligan: Or maybe not

NEAT.


Isn't it? That company is amazing, IMO.
 
2013-07-14 07:20:53 PM
Your reading for today tomorrow then How Humans Will Survive a Mass Extinction
 
2013-07-14 07:23:18 PM

dookdookdook: Fjornir: I think you would do well to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter.

Sorry, I didn't realize one of the definitions of "sarcasm" was "making a movie reference that literally  everyone should get yet still managed to fly over one idiot's head".


Crap. what's the film? one of the bigger gaps in my education is cinema.
 
2013-07-14 07:23:29 PM

Hollie Maea: cman:

Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.


Wait, what?  Electric vehicles remain expensive and still have a somewhat limited range, but "hauling ass" is not an ability they lack. Or are you using some other term than the vernacular usage meaning "quick and fast"?


He...he's not aware that electric cars do not have mechanical lag.
 
2013-07-14 07:24:45 PM

Fjornir: Crap. what's the film? one of the bigger gaps in my education is cinema.


You're...you're just farking with me now, right? O_o

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-14 07:25:23 PM

Fjornir: clowncar on fire: dookdookdook: Beautiful.

1) Billionaires rape the planet and buy the government
2) Greed and low regulations lead to poorly made, vulnerable infrastructure
3) Then the farked up climate destroys the oil equipment, driving up the price of gas and electricity to the point that half the country can't afford to live indoors or drive anymore.

Then when the poor moochers die, their bodies become the grass, and the Job Creator's dressage horses eat the grass. And so we are all connected in the great Circle of Life.

[www.lionking.org image 805x480]

Meds.  Do not forget to take. Otherwise..huh?

I think you would do well to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter.


Or ease up on your sensitivity adjust.  I do this for a living- the calibration thing.
 
2013-07-14 07:26:57 PM
FTA pic: The rising water of the Missouri River came to within inches of forcing the shutdown of the power station, after several levees in northern Missouri failed to hold back the surging waterway

Horsehockey. That Missouri river flooding was caused by the incompetence and/or malfeasance of the Army Corps of Engineers who badly mishandled the spring snow melt.
 
2013-07-14 07:40:59 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if those oil eating microbes that rapidly grew after the Gulf Oil Spill somehow found their way into all the various oil reserves around the world?
 
2013-07-14 07:41:41 PM

dookdookdook: Fjornir: Crap. what's the film? one of the bigger gaps in my education is cinema.


I got the original Lion King reference. I just thought your "Meds..." reply was taking him to seriously. Unless that's from the same movie?
 
2013-07-14 07:42:15 PM
I heard a suggestion to add a small carbon tax to gasoline per unit and I realized the producers would just take the hit for a long time. Unless you apply european levels of fuel taxes to where the product cost is in the minor contribution to the price.

Now, if you have some serious disruptions... I guess that'll sort itself out.
 
2013-07-14 07:42:46 PM

LargeCanine: FTA pic: The rising water of the Missouri River came to within inches of forcing the shutdown of the power station, after several levees in northern Missouri failed to hold back the surging waterway

Horsehockey. That Missouri river flooding was caused by the incompetence and/or malfeasance of the Army Corps of Engineers who badly mishandled the spring snow melt.


Ans I thought it was all about physics..
 
2013-07-14 07:43:51 PM

LargeCanine: FTA pic: The rising water of the Missouri River came to within inches of forcing the shutdown of the power station, after several levees in northern Missouri failed to hold back the surging waterway

Horsehockey. That Missouri river flooding was caused by the incompetence and/or malfeasance of the Army Corps of Engineers who badly mishandled the spring snow melt.


Hurr it couldn't possibly be climate change, it's da GUBBAMINT farking up again like they always do

DURR
 
2013-07-14 07:44:07 PM

wildcardjack: I heard a suggestion to add a small carbon tax to gasoline per unit and I realized the producers would just take the hit for a long time. Unless you apply european levels of fuel taxes to where the product cost is in the minor contribution to the price.

Now, if you have some serious disruptions... I guess that'll sort itself out.


Show me that the taxes would be spent wisely and I'm on board
 
2013-07-14 07:47:16 PM

Fjornir: dookdookdook: Fjornir: Crap. what's the film? one of the bigger gaps in my education is cinema.

I got the original Lion King reference. I just thought your "Meds..." reply was taking him to seriously. Unless that's from the same movie?


I apologize.  I was referring to his enbabblement and somehow trying to reference it to the Lion King.  Usually we like to use ponies when we're trying to make a point around these parts, Sorry about the confusion
 
2013-07-14 07:49:46 PM

angrymacface: Wouldn't it be funny if those oil eating microbes that rapidly grew after the Gulf Oil Spill somehow found their way into all the various oil reserves around the world?


Hysterical*

*does not apply to the top 2%
 
2013-07-14 07:53:35 PM

clowncar on fire: I apologize.  I was referring to his enbabblement and somehow trying to reference it to the Lion King.  Usually we like to use ponies when we're trying to make a point around these parts, Sorry about the confusion


This should fix everything then.  test.axisofweevil.com
 
2013-07-14 08:02:57 PM

clowncar on fire: wildcardjack: I heard a suggestion to add a small carbon tax to gasoline per unit and I realized the producers would just take the hit for a long time. Unless you apply european levels of fuel taxes to where the product cost is in the minor contribution to the price.

Now, if you have some serious disruptions... I guess that'll sort itself out.

Show me that the taxes would be spent wisely and I'm on board


Well, the suggestion was to use the consumption tax to reduce income taxes, but that's not likely. At least not likely to be equally applied.
 
2013-07-14 08:02:59 PM

Fjornir: clowncar on fire: I apologize.  I was referring to his enbabblement and somehow trying to reference it to the Lion King.  Usually we like to use ponies when we're trying to make a point around these parts, Sorry about the confusion

This should fix everything then.  [test.axisofweevil.com image 850x850]


Oh, Pinkie, this isn't a cop thread.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:36 PM

cman: We have the technology today to move beyond fossil fuels

It has a slow adoption, unfortunately, as being ecologically sound isn't a big selling point for many.

Most want vehicles that can haul ass. Electric cars aren't up to that point yet.

Someone out there has an idea that will change that; its only a matter of finding them.


Actually there are high performance and high efficiency electric motors available currently for hybrids.

For electric only, I'm not so sure.  Still, hybrids are a step in the right direction, and until we can drastically improve the power density of batteries, it may be the best we can do.
 
2013-07-14 08:19:40 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: We need to transition to renewables and nuclear while we have the convenience of fossil fuels.

It'll be a b*tch if we run out of fossil fuels before we build the alternative energy infrastructure that we need.


You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

1) we currently have ~ 100 years of NG reserves in the US. Pretend it is only 30 years. At the point where supplies start getting tight, we would still have 10 years to implement a crash fission power plant building program.

2) coal - wtf - do you have any  idea how much coal the US has? Go look it up in wiki or google or whatever. We'll wait here.

So yes, if we waited until we were completely out of EVERYTHING, then we would be farked.
In what universe do you live? Do you actually think that power companies plan the same way that you stock the TP in your bathroom?

The day that it becomes profitable to build fission plants, plants will start being built.
Until someone puts a massive surcharge on using oil/ng/coal we will not even begin planning to build fission plants. There is no money it anymore.

/yes yes global warming is the end of the world. just not happening fast enough to get DC to do anything about it.
 
2013-07-14 08:22:50 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: We need to transition to renewables and nuclear while we have the convenience of fossil fuels.

It'll be a b*tch if we run out of fossil fuels before we build the alternative energy infrastructure that we need.


I've always said that this is a proper role of government interference in industry: Forward-looking investments in infrastructure before they are completely cost competitive, in order to avoid massive cratering of the economy when all of a sudden you need that infrastructure and it's too late to build it. I further suspect that as we deal with more climate-change related crap and the economy becomes more global there will be more need for this type of long-term planning, but with the current political climate and the fact that we're on a 2-year election cycle we're kind of boned, really.

/ I mean, if we can avoid setting off all the nukes humanity will survive, it just may suck for a lot of people
 
2013-07-14 08:32:34 PM

"There is no strong evidence to support severe weather becoming stronger, more frequent or more widespread during the past 50 years in the United States as a result of climate change."

AccuWeather.com


"No clear trend has been found in tropical cyclones and extra-tropical storms at the global level. "

World Meteorological Organization


"Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming."

Nature Magazine


"The statement about the absence of trends in impacts attributable to natural or anthropogenic climate change holds for tropical and extratropical storms and tornados" [sic]

"The absence of an attributable climate change signal in losses also holds for flood losses"

IPCC SREX


Even the warmer alarmist sources admit that there is no discernible connection between severe weather events and warmer temperatures, let alone AGW.  This is nothing but sensationalist journalism.  Give it a rest.

 
2013-07-14 08:43:05 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Kumana Wanalaia: We need to transition to renewables and nuclear while we have the convenience of fossil fuels.

It'll be a b*tch if we run out of fossil fuels before we build the alternative energy infrastructure that we need.

Especially since we still need fossil carbons to produce plastics and the like. It will go hard for all of us when the prices for the basic mechanisms of the modern world skyrocket because we have to make all of the plastics and synthetic orgos from plant oils. That's the part that scares me even more than global warming; by the time oil starts to run out it may not be possible for us to use our scientific knowledge or technology to recover, because we are so reliant on fossil carbons for just about everything in the modern world.


So, "World made by Hand", then?

/ may be obscure
// better than a "Mad Max" future, IMHO.
 
2013-07-14 08:44:19 PM

potterydove: until we can drastically improve the power density of batteries, it may be the best we can do.


Power density is fine.  You can get Lithium Polymer batteries with power densities of more than 8kw/kg or about 5 HP/lb.  So a 200 pound pack can supply you with 1000 horsepower.
 
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