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2013-07-14 01:26:54 PM
He can't figure out why American football players wear pads.......

heh heh.....I am sure he will understand after the first pre-season game.
 
2013-07-14 03:58:28 PM
Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.
 
2013-07-14 04:16:06 PM
60+ what? 60+ magazine? Don't be gross.
 
2013-07-14 04:51:15 PM
Yet when Florida higher school Johnny Townsend didn't sign with Ohio State in February after he was orally committed to the Buckeyes, in what Urban Meyer has since admitted was a scholarship crunch,

You stay classy, Urban.
 
2013-07-14 05:12:56 PM

xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.


Yep.

Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

The fact that this doesn't happen in rugby goes to show that it's a different game with different physical challenges.
 
2013-07-14 05:15:42 PM
But how many people can he murder, and how big is his clique? These questions are what Urban really wants to know.
 
2013-07-14 05:25:11 PM
He can't figure out why American football players wear pads

He'll figure it out when he's flattened by a 290lb defensive lineman.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:01 PM
Will this work?  I mean, won't his kicks spiral in the wrong direction?
 
2013-07-14 05:40:39 PM

germ78: But how many people can he murder, and how big is his clique? These questions are what Urban really wants to know.


Don't forget about proper emphasis on Tosu
 
2013-07-14 05:44:41 PM

NetOwl: xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.

Yep.

Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

The fact that this doesn't happen in rugby goes to show that it's a different game with different physical challenges.


Without pads and helmets we wouldnt probably see fewer big hits because players would realize they arent invulnerable. They would probably start form tackling like in Rugby.
 
2013-07-14 05:47:56 PM

Swoop1809: NetOwl: xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.

Yep.

Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

The fact that this doesn't happen in rugby goes to show that it's a different game with different physical challenges.

Without pads and helmets we wouldnt probably see fewer big hits because players would realize they arent invulnerable. They would probably start form tackling like in Rugby.


Tackling in Rugby and football are completely different. The way that you are taught to tackle in football is illegal in rugby.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:58 PM
gameshowhost:

60+ what? 60+ magazine?

watch the video
 
2013-07-14 06:30:41 PM

gameshowhost: 60+ what? 60+ magazine? Don't be gross.


Miles. He can punt it over that mountain.
 
2013-07-14 06:44:49 PM

NetOwl: xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.

Yep.

Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

The fact that this doesn't happen in rugby goes to show that it's a different game with different physical challenges.


Football happens north south, causing more head on collisions. Rugby plays are often sideline to sideline with multiple lateral passes saving ball carriers from being hit. Teddy Roosevelt considered banning football as it was evolving from rugby because players were being killed on the field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football
 
2013-07-14 07:00:41 PM

NetOwl: xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.

Yep.

Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

The fact that this doesn't happen in rugby goes to show that it's a different game with different physical challenges.


Form tackles are usually the case, but check out from :25 to 1:05 on here.
 
2013-07-14 07:44:11 PM

NetOwl: Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.


Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard.
 
2013-07-14 08:11:48 PM

Kyosuke: NetOwl: Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard.


The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you
 
2013-07-14 08:20:54 PM
Is he going to wear leiderhosen and a little felt cap?
 
2013-07-14 08:27:28 PM
Go Essendon!

/goes off to sit quietly in the corner
 
2013-07-14 08:35:56 PM

Blargosaurus: NetOwl: xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.

Yep.

Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

The fact that this doesn't happen in rugby goes to show that it's a different game with different physical challenges.

Form tackles are usually the case, but check out from :25 to 1:05 on here.



Yeah, the rules are different and size/speed/strength is less and you can't be hit by a helmet, but the hits are still no joke. Seen tough guys get knocked the fark out in legal rugby tackles.

rugby (NSFW audio)

/not all of those are legal
//rugby league tends to be more north-south
 
2013-07-14 08:41:45 PM

phalamir: Kyosuke: NetOwl: Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard.

The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you


Really? What would it have to say?
 
2013-07-14 08:52:14 PM
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
//rugby league tends to be more north-south

Watching those clips, I'd estimate a typical rugby career to be about seven weeks long.
 
2013-07-14 10:02:14 PM
Punter has no clue.  When that 300-lb lineman who runs like a deer blindsides him, he'll be happy he's a punter.

No wonder kickers are thought of as not being "real" football players.
 
2013-07-14 10:09:13 PM
LSU did it.
/twice
 
2013-07-14 10:18:05 PM

Kyosuke: phalamir: Kyosuke: NetOwl: Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard.

The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you

Really? What would it have to say?


It might say something like, "Look at my 19 fatalities of US football players who didn't wear much in the way of pads and helmets."

/or it might say nothing, being just a year
 
2013-07-14 10:23:38 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Kyosuke: phalamir: Kyosuke: NetOwl: Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard.

The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you

Really? What would it have to say?

It might say something like, "Look at my 19 fatalities of US football players who didn't wear much in the way of pads and helmets."

/or it might say nothing, being just a year


An intercollegiate conference, which would become the forerunner of the NCAA, approved radical rule changes for the 1906 season. They legalized the forward pass, abolished the dangerous mass formations, created a neutral zone between offense and defense and doubled the first-down distance to 10 yards, to be gained in three downs. The rule changes didn't eliminate football's dangers, but fatalities declined-to 11 per year in both 1906 and 1907-while injuries fell sharply. A spike in fatalities in 1909 led to another round of reforms that further eased restrictions on the forward pass and formed the foundation of the modern sport.


From here.

Says nothing about adding armor.
 
2013-07-14 10:35:13 PM
The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.
 
2013-07-14 10:43:50 PM

phalamir: The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you


The deaths in football had to do with the style of play, namely the use of the flying wedge formation. Also there was no forward pass in 1905, it was first introduced in 1906, though it took years for it to even start to resemble what we think of as passing. The use of the forward pass spread players out, meaning you wouldn't have players grouping up to advance the ball, even without the flying wedge Plus with the deaths, it may not have been actual impacts leading to death but basically getting trampled, which would be a very easy thing to have happen with the flying wedge.
 
2013-07-14 10:50:15 PM

WhyteRaven74: phalamir: The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you

The deaths in football had to do with the style of play, namely the use of the flying wedge formation. Also there was no forward pass in 1905, it was first introduced in 1906, though it took years for it to even start to resemble what we think of as passing. The use of the forward pass spread players out, meaning you wouldn't have players grouping up to advance the ball, even without the flying wedge Plus with the deaths, it may not have been actual impacts leading to death but basically getting trampled, which would be a very easy thing to have happen with the flying wedge.


There were still deaths in 1906. And trampling isn't any less a risk on any particular short yardage run. Not to mention players being bigger, stronger, and more athletic while skulls have not similarly gained in structural integrity. A 350 lb lineman falling with a knee on your head while being pushed and laid on by OTHER 350 lb linemen will still crack bone.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:04 PM

WhyteRaven74: phalamir: The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you

The deaths in football had to do with the style of play, namely the use of the flying wedge formation. Also there was no forward pass in 1905, it was first introduced in 1906, though it took years for it to even start to resemble what we think of as passing. The use of the forward pass spread players out, meaning you wouldn't have players grouping up to advance the ball, even without the flying wedge Plus with the deaths, it may not have been actual impacts leading to death but basically getting trampled, which would be a very easy thing to have happen with the flying wedge.


Yeah, you're aware that the forward pass increases the danger of the game, right?

There aren't many situations where two guys have 40 yards of a head of steam built up running toward each other in rugby. There are many of those in football. Yeah, you might eliminate some of the CTE problems...you'll just increase the deaths and unwatchability of the sport.

Basically, you need the helmet to protect against trampling and all types of kicking. You need the pads to protect the rest of the body from the damage done by helmets.
 
2013-07-14 11:40:06 PM

2wolves: Go Essendon!

/goes off to sit quietly in the corner


Woo!  A bombers supporter!  GO THE DONS!
 
2013-07-15 12:18:14 AM

xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.


rugby union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5hi0-iS98
rugby league
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdLlXWt4r-U

Still stand by the 7th grade football team comment?

Have you played both?
 
2013-07-15 04:27:40 AM

Rent Party: The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.


No
 
2013-07-15 06:33:11 AM

T-Boy: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
//rugby league tends to be more north-south

Watching those clips, I'd estimate a typical rugby career to be about seven weeks long.


I'm about to turn 41 and still loving pulling the boots on on a Saturday.
Sure, Monday morning isn't as easy as it once was,
my nose no longer faces the same way as my eyes,
I could do with a new knee,
and I'm not in any danger of playing 1st grade any more...

but, my career has been a bit more than seven weeks.
 
2013-07-15 06:40:50 AM

Kyosuke: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Kyosuke: phalamir: Kyosuke: NetOwl: Without pads and helmets, we'd probably see football players killed regularly.

Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard.

The year 1905 would really, really disagree with you

Really? What would it have to say?

It might say something like, "Look at my 19 fatalities of US football players who didn't wear much in the way of pads and helmets."

/or it might say nothing, being just a year

An intercollegiate conference, which would become the forerunner of the NCAA, approved radical rule changes for the 1906 season. They legalized the forward pass, abolished the dangerous mass formations, created a neutral zone between offense and defense and doubled the first-down distance to 10 yards, to be gained in three downs. The rule changes didn't eliminate football's dangers, but fatalities declined-to 11 per year in both 1906 and 1907-while injuries fell sharply. A spike in fatalities in 1909 led to another round of reforms that further eased restrictions on the forward pass and formed the foundation of the modern sport.

From here.

Says nothing about adding armor.



It says that players could and did hit hard enough to kill each other with alarming frequency even when they had minimal helmets and pads, which is why it was brought up in response to "Nope. Without pads and helmets players won't hit as hard."
 
2013-07-15 07:04:16 AM
It's spelled "armour", and you seppos are farkin' pussies.
 
2013-07-15 10:35:09 AM

SJKebab: 2wolves: Go Essendon!

/goes off to sit quietly in the corner

Woo!  A bombers supporter!  GO THE DONS!


Getting ready to burn my Jersey. Why top management hasn't been kicked to the curb is a mystery.
 
2013-07-15 03:52:19 PM

Rent Party: The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.


Is Michigan typo?

I would put my savings on a rugby player v a 'Merica-bud-laht Footbawl blubberball any day.
 
2013-07-15 04:50:27 PM

kicksmile: Rent Party: The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.

Is Michigan typo?

I would put my savings on a rugby player v a 'Merica-bud-laht Footbawl blubberball any day.


In an MMA fight, sure.  Football players are better suited for Sumo.
 
2013-07-15 05:11:51 PM

TedDalton: xynix: Since he'll never get hit he'll never understand why they wear pads.. The hardest hits I've seen in rugby don't even compare to my son's 7th grade football team.

rugby union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5hi0-iS98
rugby league
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdLlXWt4r-U

Still stand by the 7th grade football team comment?

Have you played both?


Pretty much yeah I still think it's like a 7th grader or frankly less. My son's team hits harder than these guys do while in practice. It's more like a wrestling lift and drop which is what I learned to do while playing rugby in the Ballincollig Rugby club in Ireland when I lived there. I joined because I suck at soccer and wanted to stay active and played US football all through middle school and high school as a running back. I cant describe what it feels like to be 150 pounds and get nailed by a 220 pound guy running full speed.. I can't because it knocked me out for 5+ minutes and blew my knee out in 12th grade.

It's just no comparison dude.. totally different tackle technique.
 
2013-07-15 06:32:42 PM

kicksmile: Rent Party: The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.

Is Michigan typo?

I would put my savings on a rugby player v a 'Merica-bud-laht Footbawl blubberball any day.


Lolz. Yeah, here's a blubblerball.  Meet the guy that played free safety at Louisiana State.

blogs.houstonpress.com

And this guy lard ass didn't even play for a good college football team...

www.bodybuilding.com

And this tub o'goo here is 6'5" tall, weighs 270lbs, and runs a 4.6 40.   He also did not play for a very good college team.

a.espncdn.com

Your *average* NFL player would eat the best rugby player you can find for lunch, and go back for seconds.   There is a reason all these rugby dudes end up as punters, and not position players.  It's because they're small, weak, slow, and soft.
 
2013-07-15 07:07:24 PM

Rent Party: kicksmile: Rent Party: The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.

Is Michigan typo?

I would put my savings on a rugby player v a 'Merica-bud-laht Footbawl blubberball any day.

Lolz. Yeah, here's a blubblerball.  Meet the guy that played free safety at Louisiana State.

[blogs.houstonpress.com image 450x450]

And this guy lard ass didn't even play for a good college football team...

[www.bodybuilding.com image 604x800]

And this tub o'goo here is 6'5" tall, weighs 270lbs, and runs a 4.6 40.   He also did not play for a very good college team.

[a.espncdn.com image 400x600]

Your *average* NFL player would eat the best rugby player you can find for lunch, and go back for seconds.   There is a reason all these rugby dudes end up as punters, and not position players.  It's because they're small, weak, slow, and soft.


Doubtful. It's a different sport and tackling has to be different as the play doesn't stop after every tackle. Thus the tackling player has to have form and get back on his feet to go for the ball. Additionally, since there is no need to stop someone from getting a first down, there is a lot more holding the player up and trying to rip the ball.

Also, there aren't many football players lining up to tackle guys like Jonah Lomu without any pads on. (There were rumors that Denver was trying to get Lomu in their camp but at the time (1995) he came down with a serious kidney disease and he never came back 100%
 
2013-07-15 08:37:32 PM

ddam: Rent Party: kicksmile: Rent Party: The first time he meets a Michigan free safety playing on special teams, he'll understand why they wear pads.

Rugby guys are pansies.

Is Michigan typo?

I would put my savings on a rugby player v a 'Merica-bud-laht Footbawl blubberball any day.

Lolz. Yeah, here's a blubblerball.  Meet the guy that played free safety at Louisiana State.

[blogs.houstonpress.com image 450x450]

And this guy lard ass didn't even play for a good college football team...

[www.bodybuilding.com image 604x800]

And this tub o'goo here is 6'5" tall, weighs 270lbs, and runs a 4.6 40.   He also did not play for a very good college team.

[a.espncdn.com image 400x600]

Your *average* NFL player would eat the best rugby player you can find for lunch, and go back for seconds.   There is a reason all these rugby dudes end up as punters, and not position players.  It's because they're small, weak, slow, and soft.

Doubtful. It's a different sport and tackling has to be different as the play doesn't stop after every tackle. Thus the tackling player has to have form and get back on his feet to go for the ball. Additionally, since there is no need to stop someone from getting a first down, there is a lot more holding the player up and trying to rip the ball.

Also, there aren't many football players lining up to tackle guys like Jonah Lomu without any pads on. (There were rumors that Denver was trying to get Lomu in their camp but at the time (1995) he came down with a serious kidney disease and he never came back 100%


Lomu is awesome, but with good speed at 6'5" 125kg he was (especially at the time) a freak of a winger (and even so would have struggled to find a niche in the NFL).

I wouldn't say rugby players are anything like "soft" but I don't think it's insulting to say that top-flight rugby players tend to be too small/slow/weak to play in the NFL. For one thing, rugby requires FAR more stamina and sustained effort than US football. Of course the rugby player who can get around the field for minutes at a time playing both ways while thinking on his feet is rarely going to be as suited to very short focused bursts of speed and strength as hyperspecialized NFL players are.
 
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