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2013-07-14 12:59:23 PM  
I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...
 
2013-07-14 04:01:05 PM  
usjf.net

Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:39 PM  
New theory is really old.

I first heard about this when I was an undergrad at UCLA in 1983.
 
2013-07-14 04:34:25 PM  
Garden of Earthly Delights by Heironymous Bosch. Nuff said.

Also, any visual interpretation of Hildegaard von Bingen's Scivias.
 
2013-07-14 04:41:01 PM  
Bullsh*t because 6,000 years and reasons, etc.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:03 PM  

make me some tea: I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...


If Terence McKenna was right, then psychotropics may be a major factor in our evolution.

The Stoned Ape theory
 
2013-07-14 04:42:40 PM  

make me some tea: I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...


1.Dude, I saw God.

2.Wow, that's really... wait, you saw a what?

1.I saw... I saw an opportunity. Wait right here.

/roughly translated from Aurignacian cave paintings
 
2013-07-14 04:45:34 PM  
FTFA:But why would people across continents and cultures be drawn to record the same shapes?

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Already answered, with passionate, sexy aplomb.
 
2013-07-14 04:46:41 PM  
Cave paintings were just early pr0n.
 
2013-07-14 04:49:29 PM  

chaddsfarkprefect: FTFA:But why would people across continents and cultures be drawn to record the same shapes?

[www.technobuffalo.com image 553x395]

Already answered, with passionate, sexy aplomb.


Sexy??
 
2013-07-14 04:49:45 PM  

Snapper Carr: make me some tea: I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...

If Terence McKenna was right, then psychotropics may be a major factor in our evolution.

The Stoned Ape theory


Interesting...
 
2013-07-14 04:53:35 PM  
Dude, I just had the weirdest vision. We undiscovered fire. It was freaky, man. But, at least we still have dinosaurs.
 
2013-07-14 05:01:20 PM  
 
2013-07-14 05:06:07 PM  
This is a bad thing because so many people need to smoke big fatties and do bongs to alleviate excruciating pain.
 
2013-07-14 05:10:36 PM  
No Heroes reference?

/not stoned exactly, but you know what I'm saying
//save the cheerleader, for last
\\\backwards slashies
 
2013-07-14 05:16:06 PM  
 
2013-07-14 05:17:47 PM  
Of course, you can't just posit that cave painters were doing prehistoric drugs without raising a few questions, such as why they gravitated-and kept gravitating-to the same kinds of shapes?

Because people's hallucinations and dreams are not nearly as snowflake-unique and distinctive as they think they are?
 
2013-07-14 05:22:10 PM  

Snapper Carr: make me some tea: I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...

If Terence McKenna was right, then psychotropics may be a major factor in our evolution.

The Stoned Ape theory


Came here to mention that one.

Though that doesn't mention his supposition that the spores for hallucinogenic mushrooms may have come from space. Not saying mushrooms are aliens, but...
 
2013-07-14 05:22:50 PM  

Godscrack: [usjf.net image 373x380]

Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.


Revelations, by St John the Mushroomhead is consistent with ergotism.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:58 PM  

Godscrack: [usjf.net image 373x380]

Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.


Last guy who said that ... discovered the wisdom of a good pair of Adidas ...

img.geocaching.com
 
2013-07-14 05:33:14 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Of course, you can't just posit that cave painters were doing prehistoric drugs without raising a few questions, such as why they gravitated-and kept gravitating-to the same kinds of shapes?

Because people's hallucinations and dreams are not nearly as snowflake-unique and distinctive as they think they are?


Because the auditory and visual processing nodes in the human brain tend to throw up specific kinds of glitches?
 
2013-07-14 05:33:27 PM  

dionysusaur: Godscrack: [usjf.net image 373x380]

Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.

Revelations, by St John the Mushroomhead is consistent with ergotism.


Oh it's chock full of goodies.
 
2013-07-14 05:33:56 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Last guy who said that ... discovered the wisdom of a good pair of Adidas ...


That's the "Leatherback" kaiju, right?
 
2013-07-14 05:37:53 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-14 05:38:30 PM  

Godscrack: [usjf.net image 373x380]

Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.


It's tempting to think so, but no.

(1) Some of the more "trippy" parts of the Bible (Daniel, Revelation, etc.) have very complicated numerology and are more akin to "P-Source" priestly/construction narrative (e.g. very intricate blueprints for the temple, tabernacle).  Whoever wrote these was thinking clearly enough to do complicated math and spatial visualization, for the period.

(2) Also, throughout the Old Testament, there's latent but very obvious gematrial patterns (words having numerical values that become metaphors to other things written), such as "TORAH" being spelled out in 49 letters in between at the start of Genesis and Exodus, "HAROT" being spelled out with 49 letters in-between at the start of Numbers and Deuteronomy, with "YHVH" spelled out with 7 letters in between at the start of Leviticus, the message being that "The Torah points to YHVH".

(3) The Torah is very explicit about how temple worship is performed (even temple worship not visible to the public upon pain of death).  If drugs were used in Old Testament worship, there would've been some mention of it.  In fact, Israelite worship is anomalous in (a)  how explicit it is in describing the priestly cult, and (b) little if any mention of drug use, aside from drinking lots of wine, some beer, and possibly ginseng use by Jacob by Genesis (he would've needed it with 2 wives, 2 concubines and at least 13 kids to watch over).

Whoever wrote the Bible wasn't on drugs. Autistic? Obsessive compulsive?   A John Nash-type Paranoid Schizophernic or a Rain Man type of number guru?  Maybe, but not on drugs.
 
2013-07-14 05:42:11 PM  

make me some tea: I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...


Have you read Ezekiel? Where he describes God coming down with a host of angels or something?

Read it and you realize something: Everything is symmetrical. He keeps going on about the symmetry like "there were 4 creatures, and each creature had 4 faces, and each face had 4 eyes" and it made me realize: Wait.... that's what LSD does.

Psychedelics kaleidescope your vision. You see double and quadruple of everything, and it's all laid out perfectly ordered and symmetrical. It's given a lot of people very profound, spiritual revelations over the years because it looks so perfect.

So the Ezekiel passage, where he could be describing God or aliens or whatever, in reality he probably just ate some mushrooms and sat on a rock for a few hours, staring and giggling at a goat.
 
2013-07-14 05:45:32 PM  

TheAbstractor: Whoever wrote the Bible wasn't on drugs.


Hundreds of people wrote it over a period of hundreds of years. If some parts were written under the influence, it very likely wasn't intentional.
 
2013-07-14 05:50:38 PM  
Ergot Fungus probably played a big role in history.
 
2013-07-14 05:50:57 PM  
Article subtitle:"geometric patterns in painting is evidence..."

Article photo: probably the most realistic cave art I have ever seen pictured; easily recognizable figures of men with spears, well-drawn camel, no geometric patterns.
 
2013-07-14 05:51:08 PM  

TheAbstractor: (1) Some of the more "trippy" parts of the Bible (Daniel, Revelation, etc.) have very complicated numerology and are more akin to "P-Source" priestly/construction narrative (e.g. very intricate blueprints for the temple, tabernacle). Whoever wrote these was thinking clearly enough to do complicated math and spatial visualization, for the period.


It's been my understanding that Revelations is basically a giant coded "fark you" to Nero.
 
2013-07-14 06:11:10 PM  

TheAbstractor: Godscrack: [usjf.net image 373x380]

Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.

It's tempting to think so, but no.

(1) Some of the more "trippy" parts of the Bible (Daniel, Revelation, etc.) have very complicated numerology and are more akin to "P-Source" priestly/construction narrative (e.g. very intricate blueprints for the temple, tabernacle).  Whoever wrote these was thinking clearly enough to do complicated math and spatial visualization, for the period.

(2) Also, throughout the Old Testament, there's latent but very obvious gematrial patterns (words having numerical values that become metaphors to other things written), such as "TORAH" being spelled out in 49 letters in between at the start of Genesis and Exodus, "HAROT" being spelled out with 49 letters in-between at the start of Numbers and Deuteronomy, with "YHVH" spelled out with 7 letters in between at the start of Leviticus, the message being that "The Torah points to YHVH".

(3) The Torah is very explicit about how temple worship is performed (even temple worship not visible to the public upon pain of death).  If drugs were used in Old Testament worship, there would've been some mention of it.  In fact, Israelite worship is anomalous in (a)  how explicit it is in describing the priestly cult, and (b) little if any mention of drug use, aside from drinking lots of wine, some beer, and possibly ginseng use by Jacob by Genesis (he would've needed it with 2 wives, 2 concubines and at least 13 kids to watch over).

Whoever wrote the Bible wasn't on drugs. Autistic? Obsessive compulsive?   A John Nash-type Paranoid Schizophernic or a Rain Man type of number guru?  Maybe, but not on drugs.


Depends on the book. The John who wrote the Revelation was pretty far out, man.
 
2013-07-14 06:17:27 PM  

SquiggsIN: theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Of course, you can't just posit that cave painters were doing prehistoric drugs without raising a few questions, such as why they gravitated-and kept gravitating-to the same kinds of shapes?

Because people's hallucinations and dreams are not nearly as snowflake-unique and distinctive as they think they are?

Because the auditory and visual processing nodes in the human brain tend to throw up specific kinds of glitches?

sure they do.  Alien abduction, UFOs, bigfoot, angels, fairies, deja vu, "after-death" experiences and other common "glitches"


Temporal lobe epilepsy is the "glitch" that explains a couple of those.
 
2013-07-14 06:17:56 PM  

Tom_Slick: Ergot Fungus probably played a big role in history.


I recall an article in Discover or SciAm about 20 years ago that theorized the French Revolution was instigated by crappy rye harvests in the 2 or 3 years prior, causing everybody to have to eat moldy rye bread, which implied they were all tripping balls.
 
2013-07-14 06:25:10 PM  
Within arms reach.... The Dude and The Zen Master, Seneca's Letters from a Stoic, Hayek's Road to Serfdom, and relevant to this discussion Huxley's Doors of Perception. I haven't read it in a while, but IIRC it includes ethnographic notes on how cave paintings reflect some of the visions experienced on the drugs he documented.

Humanity and mind altering substances have always been together. Hell, yeasts have been making alcoholic fermenting fruits for millions of years, and might actually be the real reason fruits filled up with sugars. Fermenting fruits draw in the lush critters. Nothing funnier than drunk elephants, at least on camera.

I'm curious if other psychotropic substances evolved in a similar fashion. Coffee cherries might get passed faster in ungulates with the caffeine, maybe poppy seeds get repeat business. I have wondered if capsicum got peppers passed quicker in birds while deterring mammals who wouldn't pass the seeds intact.

Remember, plants don't make seeds for your enjoyment. They make them in hopes you'll pass them with a dollop of poo.
 
2013-07-14 06:26:10 PM  

Godscrack: Stoner poetry/artwork at it's finest.


Ah the holy bible. Just like thoth zeus and hercules.
pretty much the marvel comics superheros of the day.
 
2013-07-14 07:26:04 PM  

fusillade762: Snapper Carr: make me some tea: I theorize that religion itself is the result of a few good acid trips...

If Terence McKenna was right, then psychotropics may be a major factor in our evolution.

The Stoned Ape theory

Came here to mention that one.

Though that doesn't mention his supposition that the spores for hallucinogenic mushrooms may have come from space. Not saying mushrooms are aliens, but...


www.technobuffalo.com
Not saying mushrooms are aliens, but... mushrooms are aliens
 
2013-07-14 08:51:48 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Tom_Slick: Ergot Fungus probably played a big role in history.

I recall an article in Discover or SciAm about 20 years ago that theorized the French Revolution was instigated by crappy rye harvests in the 2 or 3 years prior, causing everybody to have to eat moldy rye bread, which implied they were all tripping balls.


The problem with the ergotism theory is that ergot is an incredibly awful and horrible fungus--it is dark purple, smells like decayed fish, and tastes even worse. In even small amounts it causes a disease called St. Anthony's Fire, which besides the hallucinations and mania also has the less-known side effects of convulsions, vomiting and diarrhea, and gangrene of the arms and legs; so areas suffering ergotism aren't just tripping balls, they're also incapacitated and usually dead. The amount actually needed for the hallucinogenic effect is quite tiny and hard to control.

So while ergotism shows up when the rye harvests are bad, it's doubtful the influence goes the other way. More likely they correlate without causation.
 
2013-07-14 09:33:24 PM  
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2013-07-14 09:57:12 PM  
Shouldn't that read "a whole lot  farther than we'd thought"?
 
2013-07-14 10:34:45 PM  
This reminds of when my Jewish friend told me about the fact that in their books Moses had to go into the sacred tent and burn the sacred herb in order to talk to God.

In the land of Cana.....wonder if they named any plants for that area?
 
2013-07-14 11:11:44 PM  

Sharksfan: This reminds of when my Jewish friend told me about the fact that in their books Moses had to go into the sacred tent and burn the sacred herb in order to talk to God.

In the land of Cana.....wonder if they named any plants for that area?


No. The god there was named Bis, and he didn't like having things named for him.
 
2013-07-15 02:32:35 AM  
Of course, you don't have to be stoned to paint weird shiat.
gpcartappreciation.files.wordpress.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
"I don't do drugs.  I am drugs."
 
2013-07-15 06:41:24 AM  

NDP2: Of course, you don't have to be stoned to paint weird shiat.
[gpcartappreciation.files.wordpress.com image 600x520]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x352]
"I don't do drugs.  I am drugs."


One fortunate temporal/parietal lesion and an ego the size of a open-pit mine truck.
 
2013-07-15 07:28:28 AM  
Gyrfalcon:  so areas suffering ergotism aren't just tripping balls, they're also incapacitated and usually dead. The amount actually needed for the hallucinogenic effect is quite tiny and hard to control.

So while ergotism shows up when the rye harvests are bad, it's doubtful the influence goes the other way.


Meanwhile, they're wasting a golden opportunity for 'special' rye beer or what have you.

/Rye Of The Tiger
 
2013-07-15 07:42:59 AM  
Paint like Jackson Pollock most of you around here are drunks anyway
 
2013-07-15 08:29:34 AM  

NDP2: Of course, you don't have to be stoned to paint weird shiat.
[gpcartappreciation.files.wordpress.com image 600x520]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x352]
"I don't do drugs.  I am drugs."


misadventureswithandi.com
 
2013-07-15 09:40:01 AM  
 
2013-07-15 10:58:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: AdrienVeidt: Tom_Slick: Ergot Fungus probably played a big role in history.

I recall an article in Discover or SciAm about 20 years ago that theorized the French Revolution was instigated by crappy rye harvests in the 2 or 3 years prior, causing everybody to have to eat moldy rye bread, which implied they were all tripping balls.

The problem with the ergotism theory is that ergot is an incredibly awful and horrible fungus--it is dark purple, smells like decayed fish, and tastes even worse. In even small amounts it causes a disease called St. Anthony's Fire, which besides the hallucinations and mania also has the less-known side effects of convulsions, vomiting and diarrhea, and gangrene of the arms and legs; so areas suffering ergotism aren't just tripping balls, they're also incapacitated and usually dead. The amount actually needed for the hallucinogenic effect is quite tiny and hard to control.

So while ergotism shows up when the rye harvests are bad, it's doubtful the influence goes the other way. More likely they correlate without causation.


Okay, but isn't the choice between a lot of that happening, or starving to death, a pretty good reason to chop heads off?
 
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