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2013-07-14 12:18:24 PM
FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.
 
2013-07-14 12:22:31 PM
He should buck up. Now he'll have a chance to lose all that weight he gained.
 
2013-07-14 12:23:37 PM

Godscrack: He should buck up..


Like Al Jolsen?
 
2013-07-14 12:24:00 PM
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
2013-07-14 12:26:12 PM
I'm sure all his cop buddies will protect him. After all, he took one for the team.
 
2013-07-14 12:27:01 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.



Sadly, I suspect we already know.
 
2013-07-14 12:37:09 PM

doglover: Godscrack: He should buck up..

Like Al Jolsen?


Buck up means to grin and bear it. Push on! Take it on the chin!
 
2013-07-14 12:41:17 PM

Godscrack: doglover: Godscrack: He should buck up..

Like Al Jolsen?

Buck up means to grin and bear it. Push on! Take it on the chin!


sigh
 
2013-07-14 12:50:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.


He'll probably call the cops instead of a slow girl in Miami.
 
2013-07-14 01:03:16 PM
I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.
 
2013-07-14 01:23:04 PM

This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.


And he wouldn't know how to save money if his life depended on it.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:28 PM
I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:48 PM
He should stand his ground.
 
2013-07-14 02:32:58 PM

Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.


While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.
 
2013-07-14 02:41:25 PM
This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:42 PM

Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.


This is why I love Fark so much, it's full of righteous indignation posted without as much as a cursory proofread.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:36 PM

doyner: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

This is why I love Fark so much, it's full of righteous indignation posted without as much as a cursory proofread.


I kept reading that as 'onion dated' and was trying to figure out what kind of Grandpa Simpson angle he was going for.
 
2013-07-14 02:57:01 PM
i105.photobucket.com
Inion is the most prominent projection of the Occipital bone.  It functions as an anchor for the nuchal ligament and the trapezius muscle.
 
2013-07-14 03:00:04 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 200x209]
Inion is the most prominent projection of the Occipital bone.  It functions as an anchor for the nuchal ligament and the trapezius muscle.


So are you saying you can tell the age of someone by dating their inion?
 
2013-07-14 03:00:12 PM
After a fire extinguisher manufacturing plant burning down, this is what one can define as absolute "irony"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 03:03:14 PM
TuteTibiImperes:

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

It's not just a matter of the standard of proof being lower, you can be liable for civil damages without being criminally liable.

If you cause someone's death unintentionally you may not be guilty of a crime, but you still caused their death.  Just because you don't deserve prison doesn't mean that the family doesn't deserve compensation for the death.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 03:04:07 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 200x209]
Inion is the most prominent projection of the Occipital bone.  It functions as an anchor for the nuchal ligament and the trapezius muscle.


It's also a great fake news site!
 
2013-07-14 03:05:43 PM

vpb: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 200x209]
Inion is the most prominent projection of the Occipital bone.  It functions as an anchor for the nuchal ligament and the trapezius muscle.

It's also a great fake news site!


...full of plan old assholes...
 
2013-07-14 03:09:47 PM

doyner: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 200x209]
Inion is the most prominent projection of the Occipital bone.  It functions as an anchor for the nuchal ligament and the trapezius muscle.

So are you saying you can tell the age of someone by dating their inion?


If it wasn't for radiocarbon, I'd never get any dates at all!
 
2013-07-14 04:00:17 PM
At least the cops are giving his gun back...although he should get something better than a Kel-Tec
 
2013-07-14 04:06:39 PM
You won't simmer the zimmer
 
2013-07-14 04:08:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.



GOOD
 
2013-07-14 04:09:20 PM
He is going to be rich, which will buy him security.
 
2013-07-14 04:10:03 PM
Zimmerman has a target on his back. Martin did not. He has a perfectly good reason to be fearful. As long as he doesn't start punching someone who follows him for no reason, he's fine...
 
2013-07-14 04:10:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.


OJ agrees!
 
2013-07-14 04:12:16 PM

This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.


and, they never will.
 
2013-07-14 04:12:28 PM
I don't trust a 29 year old who looks 45 and thinks he's the neighborhood rentacop.
 
2013-07-14 04:12:41 PM
If they ensure there are no eyewitnesses, they'll get off scot free as long as they kill him.
 
2013-07-14 04:12:46 PM
Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.
 
2013-07-14 04:13:23 PM
www.sleazeroxx.com

SMOOOOOOTH UP INION!!!!!
 
2013-07-14 04:13:31 PM

Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.


I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.
 
2013-07-14 04:13:52 PM

vpb: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 200x209]
Inion is the most prominent projection of the Occipital bone.  It functions as an anchor for the nuchal ligament and the trapezius muscle.

It's also a great fake news site!


It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!
 
2013-07-14 04:14:39 PM

Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.


Someone didn't tell the Martin family or the cable news networks.
 
2013-07-14 04:14:53 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.


...
 
2013-07-14 04:15:22 PM

Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.


THIS
 
2013-07-14 04:18:08 PM
So.... When will Jabba The Slut be arrested for perjury?
 
2013-07-14 04:18:29 PM
shoulda thought of that before he instigated the shooting
 
2013-07-14 04:19:44 PM
Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the  police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.
 
2013-07-14 04:19:59 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.


The whole point of our criminal justice system is to prevent civil suits.  The English established that an offense against one of the Sovereign's subjects was an offense against the Sovereign himself to keep people from seeking justice the old-fashioned way with blood-feud.

Under the American version of this, Zimmerman was tried for an offense against "the people of the State of Florida" expressly to prevent the Martin family from seeking private justice for Trayvon's death.
 
2013-07-14 04:20:12 PM
I'm more worried about the jury.

Yeah, their names are sealed, but we're in 2013 here.  All it takes is one J4T script kiddie or a guy who knows a guy who knows a coworker who noticed "say, I haven't seen Alice in three weeks, she's been awful mum about what she was doing, but I think she mentioned jury duty, and come to think of it one of the jurors was a 32-year-old mother of two..."
 
2013-07-14 04:20:16 PM
Torn on this.  He was found not guilty, but he seems far from innocent.

Can't believe he is 29, I thought I read that wrong.  Mid to late forties my guess.

I think he is now really going to need that gun....
 
2013-07-14 04:20:22 PM
It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!
 
2013-07-14 04:21:31 PM
Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 04:21:42 PM
We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?
 
2013-07-14 04:21:45 PM
I have a feeling he will move to a small town, grow a mustache and change his name to Burt Grummer
 
2013-07-14 04:22:06 PM

Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS


EVERYONE should consider moving away from Florida. Most of it is godawful. And most of the exceptions are islands.

/former resident
 
2013-07-14 04:22:18 PM
FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

www.allmystery.de

Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.
 
2013-07-14 04:22:30 PM
INION DATED
 
2013-07-14 04:23:54 PM

Twitch Boy: I'm more worried about the jury.

Yeah, their names are sealed, but we're in 2013 here.  All it takes is one J4T script kiddie or a guy who knows a guy who knows a coworker who noticed "say, I haven't seen Alice in three weeks, she's been awful mum about what she was doing, but I think she mentioned jury duty, and come to think of it one of the jurors was a 32-year-old mother of two..."


I haven't seen much anger directed at the jurists.
Besides that, they're also women. Most people have qualms about killing women.
 
2013-07-14 04:24:19 PM
Just like Casey Anthony people will forget all about him in 6 months.
 
2013-07-14 04:24:25 PM
How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

Or maybe Drew is just allowing inflammatory shiat to be posted because it generates page views.
 
2013-07-14 04:24:45 PM
I dont know about killing georgie boy. But I think he is due another savage beating.
 
2013-07-14 04:25:19 PM

sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
[i.imgur.com image 388x356]


Yeah, because the dispatcher told him not to follow, therefore Zimmerman never has any right to stand his ground...even if Martin assaults him in the Arby's parking lot a month later. Because he's waived his right to stand his ground against Martin, amirite?

But hey, I am sure you know more about the law than the judge.
 
2013-07-14 04:25:40 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: So now that this trial is over, will most Farkers go back to not giving a shiat about the dozens of black teens killed every day in America?


Go back to? I never stopped not caring.
 
2013-07-14 04:25:48 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?


Because a jury of his peers decided that it was.  End of story.
 
2013-07-14 04:25:48 PM
yagottabefarkinkiddinme:
In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

trying too hard/10
 
2013-07-14 04:26:27 PM
After he get's the book deal and his fans wet their pants to buy them, he will have enough money to carry around a few body guards at all times.

He will never have to worry about anything in life ever again.
 
2013-07-14 04:26:52 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?


Because a jury found that Zimmerman feared for his life when Martin was on top of him punching his face and hitting his head against the concrete?
 
2013-07-14 04:27:06 PM

sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
[i.imgur.com image 388x356]


He was already out of his vehicle... nice try, kiddo. Better luck next post.
 
2013-07-14 04:27:15 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation


Huh...somehow that evidence didn't make it to trial.

In other words...shut up...you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
 
2013-07-14 04:27:17 PM
Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-14 04:27:28 PM
ZIM WILL BE VICTORIOUS
www.bnnnewsroom.com
VICTORIOUS ZIM WILL EAT YOUR CHILDREN
 
2013-07-14 04:27:31 PM

Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS


Far away.

Maybe to some sort of walled compound someplace, where the denizens are heavily armed, and like minded? Say in Montana?

I'm sure they wouldn't hold his not being white against him, right?
 
2013-07-14 04:28:39 PM

sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
[i.imgur.com image 388x356]



It is amazing that someone is so lame that they don't realize yet that "Stand Your Ground" was not invoked in this case. The Zimmerman case is a straight-forward self-defense case.
 
2013-07-14 04:28:48 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Twitch Boy: I'm more worried about the jury.

Yeah, their names are sealed, but we're in 2013 here.  All it takes is one J4T script kiddie or a guy who knows a guy who knows a coworker who noticed "say, I haven't seen Alice in three weeks, she's been awful mum about what she was doing, but I think she mentioned jury duty, and come to think of it one of the jurors was a 32-year-old mother of two..."

I haven't seen much anger directed at the jurists.
Besides that, they're also women. Most people have qualms about killing women.


Not all people. Read THE ZEBRA KILLINGS and get back to me.
 
2013-07-14 04:29:19 PM
"I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty."

So, are you saying that O.J. was part of the neighborhood watch and Nicole and Ronald Goldman lacerated his head?
/your comparison
//it has flaws
 
2013-07-14 04:29:21 PM

sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
[i.imgur.com image 388x356]



I am so very afraid that people like you vote.
 
2013-07-14 04:29:23 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

Or maybe Drew is just allowing inflammatory shiat to be posted because it generates page views.


It's just like the media conspiracy to start riots that you've uncovered.
 
2013-07-14 04:29:36 PM
Now ask yourselves if we would have had all this brouhaha if everything had been the same but the shooter had been called Jorge Zapata.
 
2013-07-14 04:29:50 PM
He's a stalker turned murder and he walked. We need to get over it.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:11 PM
I was wondering this as well. What do you think the odds are that Zimmerman is found shot to death. He should be very careful where he goes and with who, I'm sure there are plenty of people looking for vigilante justice.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:23 PM

Theory Of Null: I have a feeling he will move to a small town, grow a mustache and change his name to Burt Grummer


Instead of moving to a small prison, riding someone's mustache and changing his name to Butt Groomer.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:31 PM

FarkingReading: Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS

EVERYONE should consider moving away from Florida. Most of it is godawful. And most of the exceptions are islands.

/former resident


Bugs Bunny knew how to deal with Floridians.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:32 PM

whistleridge: Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS

Far away.

Maybe to some sort of walled compound someplace, where the denizens are heavily armed, and like minded? Say in Montana?

I'm sure they wouldn't hold his not being white against him, right?


He is white. He's a white Latino. Latino is an ethnicity, not a race.

Latinos can be white, black, Asian, etc.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:39 PM
Awwwwww ... you butt-hurt, everything-is-racist, Farkers mad?

LOL ...
 
2013-07-14 04:31:11 PM
Hopefully anyone that tries to off/threaten Zimmerman will find themselves unsuccessful - if not ending up as another statistic of self-defense.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:39 PM
Sorry, THE ZEBRA MURDERS...I read it a long time ago....and I'm old.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:41 PM
How long before this tool writes a book? Don't go away mad, Zim. Just go away
 
2013-07-14 04:31:53 PM
That said:

Justice: 1
Purple-drank thuggery: 0
 
2013-07-14 04:32:42 PM
Dylan wrote a song about this.......
 
2013-07-14 04:32:44 PM

SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation.  he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.
 
2013-07-14 04:32:57 PM

rewind2846: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

[www.allmystery.de image 600x300]

Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.


I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.
 
2013-07-14 04:33:27 PM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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Well, the jury reviewed the evidence and that's really the important thing. Let people on FARK or elsewhere blow the stupid out of their systems.
 
2013-07-14 04:33:27 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.


Zimmerman was charged with murder.  Here's how murder was explained to me when I became a security guard (by a former cop who was my trainer):

If you are working on a construction site on some scaffolding and you sit you tool box down on the scaffolding, it breaks and the tool box falls and kills someone, that's negligence.

If you are on the scaffolding, you are told not to sit your tool box onto the scaffolding because the wood can not support the heavy tool box, and you do it anyways, and the tool box kills someone, that's manslaughter.

If you climb that scaffolding with a rifle and start killing people, that's murder.

Zimmerman didn't intend to end that kid's life.  So that rules out murder.  Had the state gone for manslaughter, it would have been different, and odds are he would have been convicted.
 
2013-07-14 04:33:49 PM

ferretman: Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.


I won't because I'm not a racist wannabe cop that stalks black people wearing hoodies.
 
2013-07-14 04:34:00 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation.  he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.


Following someone isn't illegal in FL. There is no way to tell who started the physical altercation but the jury decided there wasn't enough evidence to say it was Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
2013-07-14 04:34:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.



If that happens, think Zimmerman should:


1) GET ANGRY - OUTRAGED at the idea that ANY "creepy-ass cracker hunter" might be looking at him "funny"
2) RUN (so as not to look suspicious)
3) HIDE (so he can see what that "creepy-ass cracker hunter" is up to
4) JUMP OUT AND CONFRONT the "creepy-ass cracker hunter"
5) PUNCH the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" in the nose, knocking him down
6) POUNCE on top of the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" banging his head on concrete, if possible
7) PUMMEL the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" mercilessly, as the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" cries for help
8) SMOTHER the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" to try to keep him from screaming
9) IGNORE concerned neighbors when they tell him to stop, and that they're calling police, AND
10) DIE when the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" pulls a concealed weapon and blasts Zimmerman in the chest

Because that's what harmless, innocent people (like Trayvon) do when they see someone eying them with suspicion, right?

RIGHT?
 
2013-07-14 04:34:40 PM

zerkalo: How long before this tool writes a book? Don't go away mad, Zim. Just go away


He should just sue NBC.  Less work, more payoff.
 
2013-07-14 04:35:59 PM

doyner: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

This is why I love Fark so much, it's full of righteous indignation posted without as much as a cursory proofread.


Intelligent argument is for self-liberals, armchair lawyers, and plain old assholes. Dimwitted conservatives, racists, and high school dropouts? Not so much.
 
2013-07-14 04:36:17 PM
I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.
 
2013-07-14 04:37:33 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.


yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.
 
2013-07-14 04:37:38 PM
Bwahahahahaahahaa. You made your bed, dude. Now sleep in it for the rest of your life.
 
2013-07-14 04:37:58 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.


Didn't happen that way.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:04 PM

Kaybeck: ferretman: Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

I won't because I'm not a racist wannabe cop that stalks black people wearing hoodies.


Are you a hoodie wearing black man that decides to take vigilante justice by beating someone who is following you instead of calling the cops?
 
2013-07-14 04:38:22 PM

Carth: There is no way to tell who started the physical altercation but the jury decided there wasn't enough evidence to say it was Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt.


That sums it up.  My impression is that they both made poor choices that night.  Martin's luck turned out worse than Zimmerman's.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:29 PM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday.


Yeah, and an assload of it just showed up.

Tell me, would any of this had happened had Zimmerman simply stayed in his truck and waited for the police, whom he had called and were on their way?
We have neighborhood watch where I live, and that is what they do. They carry no weapons. They have a flashlight and a cellphone. They are simply living smart cameras that watch what goes on in the neighborhood, hence the name "neighborhood watch". They do not confront, they do not question, and most of all, they do not attempt to apprehend. They observe and report, that is all.

Would it have been that difficult for this two time police department reject and robocop wannabe to do just that? Wait in the truck for the cops? That's where the stupid is, and your choice to defend this waste of human skin says much about you.
 
2013-07-14 04:39:23 PM
He was found not guilty, so leave it be. I cannot see why those who criticized Zimmerman for being a vigilante would approve of vigilante justice being applied to him. He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him. If they do, he can defend himself with up to lethal force if necessary.
 
2013-07-14 04:39:43 PM
With any luck, the next 'suspicious character' this guy decides to stalk will also be armed.
 
2013-07-14 04:39:59 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.


That's just the crux of it though. Once he was getting his ass beat, he was completely within the right of self defense to shoot TM.
 
2013-07-14 04:40:05 PM
cdn6.triplepundit.com

Ask yourself:  What other job can this man possibly get?

OJ was a mega-rich actor.  This guy.... yeah.

/ Oh wait, he doesn't need a job anymore.  Bidding for the first "Your Side of the Story" interview is currently at 75 MILLION.
 
2013-07-14 04:40:52 PM

kxs401: Live by the sword, die by the sword.


This may be the most intelligent and clever response to any news story I've ever read on fark.

I love you.
 
2013-07-14 04:40:58 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: I don't trust a 29 year old who looks 45 and thinks he's the neighborhood rentacop.


I heard he illegally smuggles 3d printers. Definitely an unsavory character.
 
2013-07-14 04:41:17 PM

Carth: Representative of the unwashed masses: SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation.  he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

Following someone isn't illegal in FL. There is no way to tell who started the physical altercation but the jury decided there wasn't enough evidence to say it was Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt.


true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.
 
2013-07-14 04:41:20 PM
As a lifelong fan of irony I appreciate the fact that the man who stalked a young black man to death (essentially by initiating a series of events that led to an assault and self defense shooting) will now have to spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

I get that, It works for me.

That carefully noted, in summing this thing up here Zimmerman's life as he knew it is over, Trayvon's life is over, period, and racial tensions have been heightened yet again. It's a lose/lose./lose thing.  So much fail to consider here.
 
2013-07-14 04:41:22 PM

PsiChick: Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the  police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.


Yeah... my take is live by the gun, die by the gun. If this sort of shiat flies as normal and acceptable behavior, then it's to be expected that more of the same will come around.
 
2013-07-14 04:41:36 PM
Zim has a CCW and knows how to use a weapon. I hope somebody goes after him and he busts a few more caps in self defense.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:13 PM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.


I'm not stupid enough to follow around "suspicious" youths pretending to be a rent a cop. Zimmerman was in the wrong for starting the confrontation.

Using your logic can I pick a fight with a random person on the street and then shoot them when they start winning the fight. Never mind that I started the fight. Because that is pretty much what happened.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:16 PM

Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.


And inundated with rednecks.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:23 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: I don't trust a 29 year old who looks 45 and thinks he's the neighborhood rentacop.


What about the 45 year old who looks 29?
 
2013-07-14 04:42:44 PM

rewind2846: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday.

Yeah, and an assload of it just showed up.

Tell me, would any of this had happened had Zimmerman simply stayed in his truck and waited for the police, whom he had called and were on their way?
We have neighborhood watch where I live, and that is what they do. They carry no weapons. They have a flashlight and a cellphone. They are simply living smart cameras that watch what goes on in the neighborhood, hence the name "neighborhood watch". They do not confront, they do not question, and most of all, they do not attempt to apprehend. They observe and report, that is all.

Would it have been that difficult for this two time police department reject and robocop wannabe to do just that? Wait in the truck for the cops? That's where the stupid is, and your choice to defend this waste of human skin says much about you.


But black kids are dangerous.  Someone had to take a stand against.. uh.. them walking at night.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:58 PM

Mr. Breeze: rewind2846:
Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.

I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.


You haven't read my french revolution fanfic
 
2013-07-14 04:43:02 PM
I see this thread has brought out the ugly side of Fark.

Clamoring for mob justice against a man who was found not guilty by the American judicial system.

Stay classy, guys.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:20 PM
Mr. Breeze:
I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.

Execution doesn't need a "convict", genius. Innocent people are executed by those who choose to do them harm all the time. The fact that you choose to call this unarmed murdered young man such a thing shows your obvious bias, lack of sense, and general assholiness.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:24 PM
I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!
 
2013-07-14 04:44:11 PM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.
 
2013-07-14 04:44:38 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Zim has a CCW and knows how to use a weapon. I hope somebody goes after him and he busts a few more caps in self defense.


Really anything he does is self defense.  He should start charging money to go 'defend himself' against peoples' enemies.
 
2013-07-14 04:45:05 PM

Godscrack: He should buck up. Now he'll have a chance to lose all that weight he gained.


Which reminds me...if I wanted a guy to look more pathetic to a jury of white women, I'd have him put on some fat, give him a baby face. Bring out their maternal instinct. Make him look weak.

"oh he must have been getting wailed on, the poor dear, near death even. totally justified to shoot"
 
2013-07-14 04:45:14 PM

quatchi: I appreciate the fact that the man who stalked a young black man to death (essentially by initiating a series of events that led to an assault and self defense shooting)


So, look at what you've just written. Are you admitting that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman? Further, are you admitting this is a case of self defense?

Whatever events 'led to an assault', that doesn't excuse the assault now, does it?
 
2013-07-14 04:45:31 PM

Mr. Breeze: rewind2846: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

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Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.

I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.



What was Martin convicted of?
 
2013-07-14 04:45:35 PM

iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.


The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself.

I think my head just asploded. That is one of the most asinine things I have ever read.
 
2013-07-14 04:45:47 PM
♫ pussy's got a gun, pussy's got a gun, trayvon's world's come undone
 
2013-07-14 04:46:15 PM

iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.


The way you describe it- full mount-- is almost sexy.  Was anyone sweating at the time 'cause that kinda helps too.
 
2013-07-14 04:46:37 PM

Elegy: I see this thread has brought out the ugly side of Fark.

Clamoring for mob justice against a man who was found not guilty by the American judicial system.

Stay classy, guys.


Whoever said the American judicial system was perfect? Certainly not even the Founders believed that.
 
2013-07-14 04:46:51 PM

Elegy: I think my head just asploded. That is one of the most asinine things I have ever read.


It's early yet.
 
2013-07-14 04:47:04 PM

iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.


That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.
 
2013-07-14 04:47:09 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.


It's a backlash against all those "angelic 12 year old" pix.  I don't condone it, but that it the kind of crap you encourage when you start off not being honest yourself.
 
2013-07-14 04:47:15 PM

Elegy: I see this thread has brought out the ugly side of Fark.

Clamoring for mob justice against a man who was found not guilty by the American judicial system.

Stay classy, guys.


Dude, I've seen you here in these threads for the last coupla weeks.  You expect this now?  The J4T crowd is clamoring for "street justice" and will not settle until delivered.......
 
2013-07-14 04:47:26 PM
true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Well, as someone who actually lives in the area and hears other than national news, it seems the kid WAS pretty much a lowlife thug wannabe. He was in Sanford after either being expelled from school (or skipping out, I can't recall which but I think he was expelled).
 
2013-07-14 04:47:38 PM

Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS


That^
 
2013-07-14 04:47:57 PM

Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.


Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.
 
2013-07-14 04:48:09 PM

SevenizGud: sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
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Yeah, because the dispatcher told him not to follow, therefore Zimmerman never has any right to stand his ground...even if Martin assaults him in the Arby's parking lot a month later. Because he's waived his right to stand his ground against Martin, amirite?

But hey, I am sure you know more about the law than the judge.

A month later isn't the same as minutes later.  You're saying I can stalk you from my vehicle while you're walking on foot, get out and confront you, saying only-god-knows what to pick a fight, then shoot you and say self defense?  Zimmerman put himself in harms way, even if Martin got the upper hand in a fight, there wasn't an immediate threat to life until Zimmerman caused it.

Do you honestly agree with defense tactic of saying Martin wasn't unarmed because of cement? I That's like saying those killed at Kent State weren't unarmed because there was pavement around them.  The kids killed at Columbine H.S. weren't unarmed because of hard tile floors, and metal lockers, and chairs and desks... 
The people at the federal building in OKC when McVeigh bombed it, the people in the WTC, they weren't unarmed! There was so much cement in those buildings!
 
2013-07-14 04:48:32 PM

DoomPaul: He was found not guilty, so leave it be. I cannot see why those who criticized Zimmerman for being a vigilante would approve of vigilante justice being applied to him. He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him. If they do, he can defend himself with up to lethal force if necessary.


Maybe not, but this thread has plenty of them who think vigilante justice should be applied to GZ.
 
2013-07-14 04:48:54 PM
As he should be for what he did to Saint TreyTrey the Immaculate.
 
2013-07-14 04:49:00 PM

FloydA: What was Martin convicted of?


Well he was a confirmed chubby chaser.
 
2013-07-14 04:49:39 PM

quatchi: As a lifelong fan of irony I appreciate the fact that the man who stalked a young black man to death (essentially by initiating a series of events that led to an assault and self defense shooting) will now have to spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

I get that, It works for me.

That carefully noted, in summing this thing up here Zimmerman's life as he knew it is over, Trayvon's life is over, period, and racial tensions have been heightened yet again. It's a lose/lose./lose thing.  So much fail to consider here.


Oh, so much this!!!!

I wouldn't take Zimmerman's new brand of 'Freedom' for anything in the world.  I'm sure Casey Anthony can give him the primer for it.
 
2013-07-14 04:50:18 PM

Elegy: iq_in_binary:
You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.

The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself.
I think my head just asploded. That is one of the most asinine things I have ever read.


She totally had it coming to her. I bet that slut regrets going out dressed like that now.
 
2013-07-14 04:50:46 PM

Semantic Warrior: SevenizGud: sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
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Yeah, because the dispatcher told him not to follow, therefore Zimmerman never has any right to stand his ground...even if Martin assaults him in the Arby's parking lot a month later. Because he's waived his right to stand his ground against Martin, amirite?

But hey, I am sure you know more about the law than the judge.
A month later isn't the same as minutes later.  You're saying I can stalk you from my vehicle while you're walking on foot, get out and confront you, saying only-god-knows what to pick a fight, then shoot you and say self defense?  Zimmerman put himself in harms way, even if Martin got the upper hand in a fight, there wasn't an immediate threat to life until Zimmerman caused it.

Do you honestly agree with defense tactic of saying Martin wasn't unarmed because of cement? I That's like saying those killed at Kent State weren't unarmed because there was pavement around them.  The kids killed at Columbine H.S. weren't unarmed because of hard tile floors, and metal lockers, and chairs and desks... 
The people at the federal building in OKC when McVeigh bombed it, the people in the WTC, they weren't unarmed! There was so much cement in those buildings!


A legal action does not call for an illegal response. The prosecution itself said Zimmerman following Trayvon was not illegal nor has any evidence been presented to indicate that he started the fight. If you have this evidence you should have contacted the prosecution while the investigation and case were on-going.
 
2013-07-14 04:51:19 PM
Teh buthurts iz so schweet!

Cry me a river!!!

BWAHAHAHA!!!!
 
2013-07-14 04:51:35 PM

iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.


His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.
 
2013-07-14 04:51:35 PM
The most interesting part of this trial for me was that I was able to observe fark regulars who normally deny things like science and facts applying the same exact faulty logic to this case. Id never bothered to keep track of various peoples names and opinions before.... now I've got hoards marked/flagged for easier discussions in the future.

Its kind of nice.
 
2013-07-14 04:51:39 PM

BeatrixK: I wouldn't take Zimmerman's new brand of 'Freedom' for anything in the world.


It sucks but it still beats prison.

/or being dead
 
2013-07-14 04:51:43 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Zim has a CCW and knows how to use a weapon. I hope somebody goes after him and he busts a few more caps in self defense.


They do say everyone gets better after their first time
 
2013-07-14 04:51:45 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.


It never was about proving Zimmerman "couldn't possibly be a murderer". The states job was to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he was a murderer and had nothing but supposition. Most reasonable people felt the state proved far beyond a reasonable doubt OJ was a murderer and got off because a jury of bias black people found out one of the cops uttered an illegal word in the past. Many of the same people cheering in the streets after that bogus verdict are all buthurt after this one. Trademark Martin deserved what he got. Deal with it OJ fans.

/god bless Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-14 04:51:52 PM

phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.


Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.
 
2013-07-14 04:52:46 PM

BeatrixK: I wouldn't take Zimmerman's new brand of 'Freedom' for anything in the world.


I'd think it's better than being beaten to death by a violent thug.
 
2013-07-14 04:53:11 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.


Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing.  We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ... to confront, question, and observe the community and those people in it.  It makes not a damn bit of difference in the case if Zman was LEGALLY following Martin.  Again, LEGALLY FOLLOWING.  That isn't lawfully stalking, it isn't threatening, and it's not illegal. Period.

What WAS illegal was Martin deciding to get violent against a guy with a concealed weapon.  That was his downfall - and ultimately, the proximate cause of his own death.  Martin caused this when he decided to not run to his home that was a mere 100 yards away - but to actively and VIOLENTLY confront a guy that was following him.
 
2013-07-14 04:53:26 PM

gameshowhost: TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

...


In the OJ case the civil suit wasn't for murder. It was for wrongful death.
 
2013-07-14 04:53:30 PM

Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.


You forgot the racists. FARK is also "inion dated" with racists.
 
2013-07-14 04:53:42 PM

iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.

Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.


None of which is relevant. The only thing that is is that he feared for his life. He was MORE than entitled to carry a firearm as he went through the motions for CCW permitting. Whether or not you think him man enough to deal with it is completely immaterial.
 
2013-07-14 04:54:03 PM

Elegy: The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself.

pick fights with people because he knows he's too much of a pussy to win.

/FTFY

If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.
 
2013-07-14 04:54:04 PM

iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.

Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.


What about a 95 lbs adult women? I'm sure most teenagers could physically beat them should they be allowed to carry guns? How strong of a person do you need to be able to beat up before you're entitled to the 2nd amendment?
 
2013-07-14 04:54:29 PM
Like every gun wanker, Zimmerman was dreaming of his chance to shoot some dark "bad guy".

And dreaming of the adulation he'd get as a hero.

www.mostlyuseless.info
 
2013-07-14 04:55:10 PM

Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.


Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.
 
2013-07-14 04:55:10 PM

Thai_Mai_Xhu: Teh buthurts iz so schweet!

Cry me a river!!!

BWAHAHAHA!!!!


EXCLAMATION POINTS AND ALL CAPS!!!!

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME!!!!!
 
2013-07-14 04:55:46 PM

Elegy: iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.

The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself.

I think my head just asploded. That is one of the most asinine things I have ever read.



Did iq_in_binary choose his Fark handle?

Or did his Fark handle choose him?
 
2013-07-14 04:56:26 PM

seadoo2006: Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing.  We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ... to confront, question, and observe the community and those people in it.  It makes not a damn bit of difference in the case if Zman was LEGALLY following Martin.  Again, LEGALLY FOLLOWING.  That isn't lawfully stalking, it isn't threatening, and it's not illegal. Period.

What WAS illegal was Martin deciding to get violent against a guy with a concealed weapon.  That was his downfall - and ultimately, the proximate cause of his own death.  Martin caused this when he decided to not run to his home that was a mere 100 yards away - but to actively and VIOLENTLY confront a guy that was following him.


Martin was exercising his right to stand your ground.  Being followed at night while I was LEGALLY walking though the neighboorhood would make me concerned for my safety as well.
 
2013-07-14 04:56:26 PM

rewind2846: Elegy: The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself. pick fights with people because he knows he's too much of a pussy to win.

/FTFY

If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.


He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.
 
2013-07-14 04:56:57 PM

jaytkay: Like every gun wanker, Zimmerman was dreaming of his chance to shoot some dark "bad guy".

And dreaming of the adulation he'd get as a hero.

[www.mostlyuseless.info image 279x212]


I don't know.  Other than the weight gain, he's pretty much made out like a bandit on the deal.
 
2013-07-14 04:57:05 PM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.


Actually I wouldn't be such a dumbass to put myself in that position. Rational human beings call the cops on suspicious people in hoodies. Not follow them around with a gun in their pocket. The coont killed a kid because he couldn't resist playing mall cop.

Is it so hard to clench your spinchter, sit your ass in the car and wait for the real cops to show up?
 
2013-07-14 04:57:11 PM

jaytkay: Like every gun wanker, Zimmerman was dreaming of his chance to shoot some dark "bad guy".

And dreaming of the adulation he'd get as a hero.

[www.mostlyuseless.info image 279x212]


You would think he would have had his gun ready, if he did want to shoot a bad guy. Why get all beat up?
 
2013-07-14 04:57:14 PM

Warlordtrooper: seadoo2006: Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing.  We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ... to confront, question, and observe the community and those people in it.  It makes not a damn bit of difference in the case if Zman was LEGALLY following Martin.  Again, LEGALLY FOLLOWING.  That isn't lawfully stalking, it isn't threatening, and it's not illegal. Period.

What WAS illegal was Martin deciding to get violent against a guy with a concealed weapon.  That was his downfall - and ultimately, the proximate cause of his own death.  Martin caused this when he decided to not run to his home that was a mere 100 yards away - but to actively and VIOLENTLY confront a guy that was following him.

Martin was exercising his right to stand your ground.  Being followed at night while I was LEGALLY walking though the neighboorhood would make me concerned for my safety as well.


The law doesn't recognizing a car following you as a lawfully threatening situation.  Sorry. You lose.
 
2013-07-14 04:57:16 PM

Revmachine21: PsiChick: Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the  police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.

Yeah... my take is live by the gun, die by the gun. If this sort of shiat flies as normal and acceptable behavior, then it's to be expected that more of the same will come around.


Ngl, I don't think it did. I think this trial just didn't go well.
 
2013-07-14 04:57:17 PM
I don't blame him. I'd leave that state immediately if I were him and work on a name change.
 
2013-07-14 04:57:31 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 04:57:51 PM

Warlordtrooper: seadoo2006: Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing.  We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ... to confront, question, and observe the community and those people in it.  It makes not a damn bit of difference in the case if Zman was LEGALLY following Martin.  Again, LEGALLY FOLLOWING.  That isn't lawfully stalking, it isn't threatening, and it's not illegal. Period.

What WAS illegal was Martin deciding to get violent against a guy with a concealed weapon.  That was his downfall - and ultimately, the proximate cause of his own death.  Martin caused this when he decided to not run to his home that was a mere 100 yards away - but to actively and VIOLENTLY confront a guy that was following him.

Martin was exercising his right to stand your ground.  Being followed at night while I was LEGALLY walking though the neighboorhood would make me concerned for my safety as well.


it might make you concerned but it isn't illegal nor justification to start a fight. Plus according to the witness he wasn't that concerned just annoyed a creep ass (racial slur) was following him.
 
2013-07-14 04:58:00 PM

Molavian: jaytkay: Like every gun wanker, Zimmerman was dreaming of his chance to shoot some dark "bad guy".

And dreaming of the adulation he'd get as a hero.

[www.mostlyuseless.info image 279x212]

I don't know.  Other than the weight gain, he's pretty much made out like a bandit on the deal.


When does his Fox News gig start?
 
2013-07-14 04:58:47 PM

iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.


An ankle biter?
 
2013-07-14 04:58:52 PM

rewind2846: Elegy: The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself. pick fights with people because he knows he's too much of a pussy to win.

/FTFY

If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.


So because you decide to carry a gun on your person and follow all acceptable laws in doing so, you should forfeit all rights to leave your home, forever.

Red Shirt Blues was right, it was early....
 
2013-07-14 04:59:06 PM

jaytkay: Like every gun wanker, Zimmerman was dreaming of his chance to shoot some dark "bad guy".

And dreaming of the adulation he'd get as a hero.

[www.mostlyuseless.info image 279x212]



Do you ever wonder if you are a figment of your own imagination?

/Figment...
//Figment...
///Figment...
 
2013-07-14 04:59:21 PM
Do people of Spanish decent all look the same to Black people. They all look like Zimmerman to me, here in agriculturally rich Oregon.
 
2013-07-14 05:00:06 PM

iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.


The jury reviewed the evidence and concluded there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he started fight. That's not to say Martin did but there is no way to be sure. Would you really be ok with sending someone to jail for 30 years for something no one can prove?

It is fine to think Zimmerman is an idiot or a wimp (which i would say there is plenty of evidence for) but there is no evidence anything he did that night was illegal
 
2013-07-14 05:01:08 PM

Alonjar: Quantum Apostrophe: I don't trust a 29 year old who looks 45 and thinks he's the neighborhood rentacop.

I heard he illegally smuggles 3d printers. Definitely an unsavory character.


doc-08-8g-3dwarehouse.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-14 05:02:04 PM

This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.


That is what I am thinking. Trayon Martin's family will sue Zimmerman, win, and Zimmerman will basically be Trayvon Martin's family's indentured servant for the rest of his life. If someone doesn't kill Zimmerman, he will probably "off" himself within 5 years because of being hated and broke.
 
2013-07-14 05:02:35 PM

seadoo2006: Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting.  Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing.  We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ...


That's a great analogy. Because Zimmerman was a cop in an unmarked Malibu.
 
2013-07-14 05:02:55 PM
No justice, no peace, dood.
 
2013-07-14 05:03:10 PM

Carth: iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.

Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.

What about a 95 lbs adult women? I'm sure most teenagers could physically beat them should they be allowed to carry guns? How strong of a person do you need to be able to beat up before you're entitled to the 2nd amendment?


You do realize I'm PRO CCW, PRO RKBA, PRO legal self defense, right? Ask any of the girls here that know me, and a few do, and the LGBT crowd for obvious reasons. I'm ALL about people being able to carry arms, but they better damn well know how to use them, and they better not farking think it gives them gumption to go pick fights.

Zimmerman neither knew how to use his weapon nor knew better than to think the gun in his pocket made him a badass, again, witnessed by the fact that a fight escalated to the point that a FARKING TEENAGER WAS ON TOP OF HIM IN A FULL MOUNT.

That is so many levels of fail I don't even know how to start. Oh yeah, he went looking for it. Doubles the fail. If it were anymore of a failure it would be an undiscovered state of matter.

Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun.
 
2013-07-14 05:04:38 PM

heavymetal: This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.

That is what I am thinking. Trayon Martin's family will sue Zimmerman, win, and Zimmerman will basically be Trayvon Martin's family's indentured servant for the rest of his life. If someone doesn't kill Zimmerman, he will probably "off" himself within 5 years because of being hated and broke.


If the martin's sue zimmerman they'll have a hearing on whether it was self defense. If so he will be immune from a civil suit and the martin's will have to pay the legal and court costs. Considering the criminal trial will be looked at as evidence and a jury found him not guilty it is a pretty big risk considering they already got over a million dollars from the HOA.
 
2013-07-14 05:04:47 PM

iq_in_binary: Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun


That is your problem. Not his.
 
2013-07-14 05:05:28 PM
quote from friend I found funny

"So the president says we need to honor trayvon martin, lets all go for a walk get some one behind us, then turn around and clock them and ask why they following us for"
 
2013-07-14 05:06:34 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation. he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.


Uhm, concrete pavement can be considered a deadly weapon, just do you know. But, I love how the following necessarily leads to altercation. I guess I better be the only one in line at Wal-Mart, lest when I follow someone out, an altercation ensues.

The altercation was not a necessary outcome of the following. It was a necessary outcome of Martin doubling back and then sucker-punching Zimmerman in an act of racially motivated hate-crime. Get the cracker...how dare he....GASP...follow us on public property. Following someone is MURDER!!

Derp.

It all started when Martin started it...not when Zimmerman tried to fight back.
 
2013-07-14 05:06:56 PM
Every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten.

Justice for Kittens!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 05:07:12 PM

WillofJ2: quote from friend I found funny

"So the president says we need to honor trayvon martin, lets all go for a walk get some one behind us, then turn around and clock them and ask why they following us for"


Is English your friend's first language?
 
2013-07-14 05:07:54 PM
This guy is toast.

There are so many white crackers who are just lining up to riot against this loser beaner.

Mexican people suck.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 05:08:39 PM

oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!


Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.
 
2013-07-14 05:09:07 PM

someonelse: WillofJ2: quote from friend I found funny

"So the president says we need to honor trayvon martin, lets all go for a walk get some one behind us, then turn around and clock them and ask why they following us for"

Is English your friend's first language?


I dont know that anyone texts in english anymore
 
2013-07-14 05:09:45 PM
Elegy:
So because you decide to carry a gun on your person and follow all acceptable laws in doing so, you should forfeit all rights to leave your home, forever.


The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine. This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.

If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.
 
2013-07-14 05:11:48 PM

Twitch Boy: I'm more worried about the jury.



A photo of the jurors was released earlier today...

i88.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 05:12:10 PM

rewind2846: Elegy:
So because you decide to carry a gun on your person and follow all acceptable laws in doing so, you should forfeit all rights to leave your home, forever.


The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine. This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.

If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.


a pu$$y a$$ is an interesting concept, anal and vaginal intercourse all in one, you should invent it and market it
 
2013-07-14 05:12:21 PM

heavymetal: This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.

That is what I am thinking. Trayon Martin's family will sue Zimmerman, win, and Zimmerman will basically be Trayvon Martin's family's indentured servant for the rest of his life. If someone doesn't kill Zimmerman, he will probably "off" himself within 5 years because of being hated and broke.


LMAO.  Zimmerman will sue Martin's family and take their sweet HOA settlement away.  Then Zimmerman will start working on the list of people he can sue, and he'll make money off of every single one of them.  Hell, if I was Zim, I'd demand 50% of the profits on Trayvon-related merchandise, and a seat on the non-profit's board with a salary.

No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.
 
2013-07-14 05:12:44 PM

iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.

Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.



You've been at it for three full days.  Hopefully you got some rest and a good meal.  You're going to give yourself a brain aneurism if you keep going like this.
 
2013-07-14 05:13:00 PM

HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.


Hehe.
 
2013-07-14 05:14:17 PM

DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.


As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.
 
2013-07-14 05:15:37 PM

rewind2846: Elegy:
So because you decide to carry a gun on your person and follow all acceptable laws in doing so, you should forfeit all rights to leave your home, forever.


The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine. This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.

If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.


But then I'd be cited for indecent exposure....fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap.jpg
 
2013-07-14 05:15:40 PM

rewind2846: DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.


media.tumblr.com
 
HKW
2013-07-14 05:16:05 PM

Xetal: I was wondering this as well. What do you think the odds are that Zimmerman is found shot to death. He should be very careful where he goes and with who, I'm sure there are plenty of people looking for vigilante justice.


... and those type of knucleheads will forget all about it when thier next unemployment/disability/welfare check is deposited in thier checking account in the 15th (tomorrow).
 
2013-07-14 05:16:10 PM

HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.


FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?
 
2013-07-14 05:17:37 PM

SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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QFT
 
2013-07-14 05:17:41 PM

oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?


Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?
 
2013-07-14 05:18:18 PM

MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!


I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less.
Ask yourself: other than taking a shortcut through the wrong neighborhood, was he actually doing something suspicious or wrongful?  Should Zimmerman have followed a stranger who was walking alone at night?  Was there any suspicious activity that led up to calling the police or following his conversation with the police that required he leave his truck to confront Martin?

Point is: unless the kid was actually engaged in suspicious activity- ie peeking in car windows and checking locks, stopping at various homes to take notes, shaking up a can of spray paint even- there is little reason to contact police, let alone confront.

Recent activity in my neighborhood involved a teen stumbling about in front of my home and then finally peering in my lower window.  I was a bit pissed but rational believing him to be one of the guests across the street who heard my daughter talking in the room and thought he'd have a peek..  I asked him if he lost something.  The terrified teen quickly backed off apologizing about "trespassing" on my lawn.  Somewhere in the babbling, he mentioned a guest that that was visiting my daughter had said she had invited him.  I yelled after him if he knew our guest that he was welcome to speak with them but he was too scared and ran off.

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on the back deck and chat (we don't let our kids or their guest wander around the neighborhood after midnight.
 
2013-07-14 05:18:30 PM

oregon fubaralas: FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?


I heard a report that he was actually walking home from the local homeless shelter after 18 hours of volunteer work.
 
2013-07-14 05:18:56 PM

phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?


Apparently, he took a nap in some wet grass.
 
2013-07-14 05:19:33 PM

legion_of_doo: DoomPaul: He was found not guilty, so leave it be. I cannot see why those who criticized Zimmerman for being a vigilante would approve of vigilante justice being applied to him. He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him. If they do, he can defend himself with up to lethal force if necessary.

Maybe not, but this thread has plenty of them who think vigilante justice should be applied to GZ.



Speaking only for myself I would have been happy were Zimmerman found guilty, but he wasn't. I think that if I want to consider myself a decent human being, the only thing I can do is wish him peace. If I think vigilante "justice" has no place in civilized society, which I do, I can't cheer would-be vigilantes wishing to harm Zimmerman, and I don't.

We also have in this thread people saying things like "I hope somebody goes after him and he busts a few more caps in self defense", I guess because hooray for killing, ending another human life really sounds like awesome fun or something, to that twit's mind apparently.

If you're looking for a self-indulgent Team-Zimmerman-good-team-Martin-bad narrative to entertain yourself with, or its opposite, go right ahead if you wish, but I really think it's never, ever quite that cut and dried.
 
2013-07-14 05:19:52 PM

clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less.
Ask yourself: other than taking a shortcut through the wrong neighborhood, was he actually doing something suspicious or wrongful?  Should Zimmerman have followed a stranger who was walking alone at night?  Was there any suspicious activity that led up to calling the police or following his conversation with the police that required he leave his truck to confront Martin?

Point is: unless the kid was actually engaged in suspicious activity- ie peeking in car windows and checking locks, stopping at various homes to take notes, shaking up a can of spray paint even- there is little reason to contact police, let alone confront.

Recent activity in my neighborhood involved a teen stumbling about in front of my home and then finally peering in my lower window.  I was a bit pissed but rational believing him to be one of the guests across the street who heard my daughter talking in the room and thought he'd have a peek..  I asked him if he lost something.  The terrified teen quickly backed off apologizing about "trespassing" on my lawn.  Somewhere in the babbling, he mentioned a guest that that was visiting my daughter had said she had invited him.  I yelled after him if he knew our guest that he was welcome to speak with them but he was too scared and ran off.

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on the back deck and ...


Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?
 
2013-07-14 05:20:31 PM
Well as long as they get the first shot in, somewhere nice and dark with no witnesses, they should be all good right?
 
2013-07-14 05:20:52 PM
Martin got what he deserved. I hope none of you racists ever have to defend yourselves.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:03 PM

phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?


He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:52 PM

phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?


That may  have been all he was trying to do until Zimmerman got in the picture.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:58 PM

Popcorn Johnny: oregon fubaralas: FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

I heard a report that he was actually walking home from the local homeless shelter after 18 hours of volunteer work.

And that he had donated blood before rescuing Mrs Abernathy's cat from a tree.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:59 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: I don't trust a 29 year old who looks 45 and thinks he's the neighborhood rentacop.


He's only 29?!
 
2013-07-14 05:23:09 PM
I don't know the real odds of anyone "getting even" with GZ but, if i were him, i'd be very nice to my wife - she has a plausible alibi if she ever feels the need -

"I LOVED him! I don't know WHAT happened - I just found him like this - you know? he made so many enemies, there were so many threats......"
 
2013-07-14 05:23:33 PM

rewind2846: The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine.


Oh really?

rewind2846: If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.


You were the one that originally made it about guns, sport. Looks like it really is your fetish at work here. Nice try moving the goalposts, though, it's just too bad your words are there for everyone to see.

rewind2846: This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.


The proof that Zimmerman started the confrontation is lacking. In fact, all of the evidence points to the contrary. Rachel Jeantel testified that: Martin was in his father's backyard at one point in their conversation, yet somehow the confrontation started almost 300 yards to the north at the intersection of the "T"; that Martin spoke to Zimmerman first. Not to mention those little things like physical injuries - you know, the fact that Martin didn't have a mark on him other than the gunshot and the abraded knuckles from where he was hitting Zimmernan, and the witness that definitively stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman "ground and pound" style while Zimmerman was yelling for help.

Show me the evidence that Zimmerman was doing anything other than observing Martin, in a public space where Zimmerman had every right to be observing whoever he wanted to observe.

rewind2846: If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.


And now seem to be walking back your claim that if Zimmerman owns a gun and wants to carry it, he should never leave his house. Now you're claiming that if Zimmerman owns a gun and carries it, he should never be able to leave his vehicle.

That's..... really rational of you, let me tell you.

/you can call him a "pussy ass cracker" if you want too, no need to keep stopping short
//it's been established by the Fark community that "cracker" is not a racist term, so it is ok to use it.
 
2013-07-14 05:23:43 PM

This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.


You obviously haven't heard of the book deals the Martin Family already made before the trial even started.
 
2013-07-14 05:24:20 PM

clowncar on fire: Recent activity in my neighborhood involved a teen stumbling about in front of my home and then finally peering in my lower window.  I was a bit pissed but rational believing him to be one of the guests across the street who heard my daughter talking in the room and thought he'd have a peek..  I asked him if he lost something.  The terrified teen quickly backed off apologizing about "trespassing" on my lawn.  Somewhere in the babbling, he mentioned a guest that that was visiting my daughter had said she had invited him.  I yelled after him if he knew our guest that he was welcome to speak with them but he was too scared and ran off.


Wait, your daughter had a whole bunch of strange guys sneaking into the house, and you're taking credit for NOT shooting this teenager?
 
2013-07-14 05:24:35 PM

rewind2846: DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.


But GZ was waiting in his car when this took place;
2:08 Dispatcher: He's running?  Which way is he running?
2:10 (door opens, sound of door alarm)
2:10 Zimmerman: Ah, down towards the, ah, other entrance of the neighborhood.
2:14 (door closes)
2:14 Dispatcher: OK.  Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
2:17 Zimmerman; The back entrance.
2:23 Dispatcher: Are you following him?
2:25 Zimmerman: Yeah.
2:26 Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.
2:28 Zimmerman: OK.


at this point GZ started walking back to his truck (according to testimony) when he was confronted by TM, sucker punched, and had his head pounded into the ground.

Why do people keep missing that part?
 
2013-07-14 05:24:42 PM
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lol Oakland
 
2013-07-14 05:25:25 PM
My ignore list is full :(
 
2013-07-14 05:25:27 PM

Popcorn Johnny: oregon fubaralas: FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

I heard a report that he was actually walking home from the local homeless shelter after 18 hours of volunteer work.


My sister knows the bus driver that Treyvon punched. She said he was a real dick and wouldn't take a transfer even like 10 minutes after it expired.
 
2013-07-14 05:25:43 PM

rewind2846: DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.


He has a legal right to walk in his neighborhood and ask someone a question.
 
2013-07-14 05:25:43 PM

Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

The jury reviewed the evidence and concluded there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he started fight. That's not to say Martin did but there is no way to be sure. Would you really be ok with sending someone to jail for 30 years for something no one can prove?

It is fine to think Zimmerman is an idiot or a wimp (which i would say there is plenty of evidence for) but there is no evidence anything he did that night was illegal


He pursued. Yes I would be fine with it. I go to jail for it? He gets to too.

I have a little bit of a skewed view because of my old job, but I ALSO have a far wider view from a self defense point of view both because of the breadth given me in situations because of my old job AND the fact that my old job was finding evidence for people in criminal cases. Yeah, it's a weird view but I changed my personal defense procedure because of it specifically to err on the side of people generally being ok. When I first started? Yeah I would have put myself in jail knowing what I know now. I will admit that openly, but I changed. I went from Fight to Flight. The bottom line is, you lose all farking credibility when you do anything but either try to get the fark away, or preempt the assault. Get the fark away first. Zimmerman went looking for a damned fight. I NEVER did that. I didn't avoid them at first, but I NEVER went looking for it. And finding trouble and putting myself in the middle of it without a badge was my god damned job.

To the core this is a huge issue for libertarians, and to the core I am a libertarian, not the religious dominionist type that loves either of the Pauls or the idiot types that see Atlas Shrugged as gospel, an actual libertarian. And one of the cores of that belief is live and let live, you do your thing, I'll do mine, if those things start to clash, let one or the other get away. I can trail people as my old job entails without them ever even realizing I'm there, or at the very least I'm not going to make them feel threatened by getting in their personal space. Zimmerman went looking for the fight by both tailing in an obvious manner and getting in Martin's space. He instigated. For me that's a big no no, yeah, some of that is because I was bullied as a kid, but it also resulted in me deciding that GETTING THE fark AWAY or at least attempting to was important to justifying self defense. Guess what, alot of people benefit from that and still do.

It's very much a basic and irreconcilable difference for many self defense experts and me, but there it is. Most of the sage ones I know on the subject were military, usually in the service department. We'll never agree, but a few of them know where I'm coming from, and a few have repeated the doc's suggestion that I write a book. But I do the very damndest that I can to make sure that the fourth stage (preemptive offense) is after making it very obvious that pursuing me was both a bad idea and something that I DID NOT WANT. I'm giving you every god damned hint that I can that I do not want to be in arm's reach of you, pay attention to--ooops you just got ran over by a truck, never mind.

Yeah, I'm farked up, but you'll not see me feeling an ounce of guilt for any violence I partake in. Zimmerman? I dunno, what do you think would have happened to him if it was me he chased around the apartment complex?
 
2013-07-14 05:25:58 PM

oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.


That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:10 PM

Molavian: LMAO. Zimmerman will sue Martin's family and take their sweet HOA settlement away. Then Zimmerman will start working on the list of people he can sue, and he'll make money off of every single one of them. Hell, if I was Zim, I'd demand 50% of the profits on Trayvon-related merchandise, and a seat on the non-profit's board with a salary.

No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.


To think that family got 2 million from the HOA. Every time I saw them at the trial that's what was in my head. The fact they lawyer-ed up and settled business before their sons so called murderer was even convicted shows where their hearts were.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:12 PM
There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:04 PM
Oh look another Fark headline bashing Zimmerman. Am I the only Farker getting extremely tired of the one sided views that seem to be getting greenlighted? keep it up mods and pretty soon you won't have to worry about these heated discussions after people like me just get fed up with it and seek this type of entertainment on a different site.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:14 PM
rewind2846:
As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.

Please tell me you're trolling. Please.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 05:28:12 PM

heavymetal: This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.

That is what I am thinking. Trayon Martin's family will sue Zimmerman, win, and Zimmerman will basically be Trayvon Martin's family's indentured servant for the rest of his life. If someone doesn't kill Zimmerman, he will probably "off" himself within 5 years because of being hated and broke.


And you set yourself up to be butthurt again.
It was self defense when the cops arrived, but you chose to believe the sesationalizism generated by the media
Knuckleheads, like you, having knee-jerk reactions resulted in the trumped up political arrest of an innocent man and a waste of tax money prosecuting a dead case to appease you morons. What you only accomplished was to set youselves up for a butthurt when he was aquitted.

Now, your frothing at the mouth on the 'hopes' hes going to be driven into poverty with a civil suit. Keep dreaming moron.
 
2013-07-14 05:28:59 PM

Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.


So? Was that illegal?
 
2013-07-14 05:29:44 PM

Carth: oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.


He started it by following him. To assail does not legally require physical contact. It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:02 PM

phenn: iq_in_binary: Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun

That is your problem. Not his.


As someone who CARRIES a gun, I get to have on opinion.

This isn't the birth control debate, and I'm not a woman, your points are utterly moot.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:10 PM
Those f@#4ers always get away with it.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:20 PM

Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...


Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?
 
2013-07-14 05:30:33 PM

FarkingReading: whistleridge: Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS

Far away.

Maybe to some sort of walled compound someplace, where the denizens are heavily armed, and like minded? Say in Montana?

I'm sure they wouldn't hold his not being white against him, right?

He is white. He's a white Latino. Latino is an ethnicity, not a race.

Latinos can be white, black, Asian, etc.


To you and me, maybe. To white-power types, I doubt that distinction carries much weight...
 
2013-07-14 05:30:49 PM
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2013-07-14 05:30:56 PM

iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

The jury reviewed the evidence and concluded there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he started fight. That's not to say Martin did but there is no way to be sure. Would you really be ok with sending someone to jail for 30 years for something no one can prove?

It is fine to think Zimmerman is an idiot or a wimp (which i would say there is plenty of evidence for) but there is no evidence anything he did that night was illegal

He pursued. Yes I would be fine with it. I go to jail for it? He gets to too.

I have a little bit of a skewed view because of my old job, but I ALSO have a far wider view from a self defense point of view both because of the breadth given me in situations because of my old job AND the ...


I asked you last night but had to go to bed. Did you ever find a law in FL that makes it illegal to follow someone? When the judge asked the persecutors for one they weren't able to find any. In fact when they wanted to charge Zimmerman for third degree murder the only other felony they could attach to it was "child abuse". If there was felony following I"m sure they would have gone with that instead.

As someone who spent 3 years working at the Cato Institute I'm pretty well away on L/libertarians feelings on self defense and the case in general.

I think it was stupid for Zimmerman to follow Martin (especially  if he thought martin was dangerous) but I don't think people should be put in jail for doing stupid but legal things.
 
2013-07-14 05:31:42 PM

Molavian: No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.


Uh, you do realize the fact that Zimmerman didn't use a SYG defense means he is civilly liable in a wrongful death suit, right?
 
2013-07-14 05:32:09 PM

iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun

That is your problem. Not his.

As someone who CARRIES a gun, I get to have on opinion.

This isn't the birth control debate, and I'm not a woman, your points are utterly moot.


I think you're really off your rocker, son. Sure, you may have an opinion. But, that is about it. I also carry a gun. If you don't like the looks of me or something about a teenager in FULL MOUNT, blah, blah, blah - I shouldn't own a gun?

And just how the fark did you weave birth control into it?

Rocker. Get back on it.
 
2013-07-14 05:32:29 PM

Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.


Someone walks through a "bad" neighborhood, leaves their front door unlocked, or passes out drunk. None of these excuse someone attacking, robbing, or raping the person even though they could have avoided it. A legal action does not warrant an illegal response. I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.
 
2013-07-14 05:33:06 PM

sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
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We don't need you to keep posting
 
2013-07-14 05:33:18 PM

phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?


No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.
 
2013-07-14 05:33:40 PM

oregon fubaralas: Carth: oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.

He started it by following him. To assail does not legally require physical contact. It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.


Sure we have talked about it in numerous other zimmerman threads. In FL it requires an unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another. Are you suggesting Following someone is unlawful in the state of FL?

What law did zimmerman break that makes him an assailant?
 
2013-07-14 05:33:52 PM
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Maybe they can time-share security costs. It is Florida after all.
 
2013-07-14 05:34:50 PM

DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.


Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.
 
2013-07-14 05:35:06 PM
BLACKS SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA

-Akon
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2013-07-14 05:35:29 PM

Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.


We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.
 
2013-07-14 05:35:30 PM

hardinparamedic: Molavian: No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.

Uh, you do realize the fact that Zimmerman didn't use a SYG defense means he is civilly liable in a wrongful death suit, right?


I realize exactly what happens in a case like this, where a defendant has been acquitted.  Do you realize what will happen?
 
2013-07-14 05:35:41 PM

clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?


Here is the full transcript from the 911 call. I got in trouble in another thread for posting too much of it.

Also the state had no evidence that he tried to "confront" martin or did anything other than walk back to his car after being told they didn't need him to follow martin.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:10 PM

clowncar on fire: iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.

The way you describe it- full mount-- is almost sexy.  Was anyone sweating at the time 'cause that kinda helps too.


I bet George was sweating.

Sweating in antici....


.....PATION
 
2013-07-14 05:36:15 PM

Carth: oregon fubaralas: Carth: oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.

He started it by following him. To assail does not legally require physical contact. It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.

Sure we have talked about it in numerous other zimmerman threads. In FL it requires an unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another. Are you suggesting Following someone is unlawful in the state of FL?

What law did zimmerman break that makes him an assailant?


Like I said: It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.
Zimmerman made Trayvon fearful, and that is justification for a justifiable homicide defence in FLA.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:26 PM

DoomPaul: He has a legal right to walk in his neighborhood and ask someone a question.


1. He was driving around in his truck.
2. He obviously felt that the situation (in his tiny mind) was serious enough to call the police
3. This is not "walking around the neighborhood and asking someone a question".
4. Why would he (or you) even do some dumb sh*t like this?
5. Who appointed you neighborhood god?
6. If you "legally" walked up to me and "asked me a question", I would "legally" tell you you to f*ck off, unless you were wearing a badge, gun and ID.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:33 PM
Ah FARK, where mob justice is bad unless one agrees with the mob.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:43 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.


Thanks for bringing nothing to the table. You have contributed nothing and no one needs these stupid "well tell me this" BS comments. Killing someone isn't always murder. Is he responsible for Martins death yes. Was he within the law in doing so yes. Is he liable for the death the law says no. Push for new laws or just shut the fark up.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:48 PM
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2013-07-14 05:37:23 PM
the endorsement deals alone could keep Zimmerman rolling in money for the rest of his life.

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2013-07-14 05:37:33 PM

iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun

That is your problem. Not his.

As someone who CARRIES a gun, I get to have on opinion.

This isn't the birth control debate, and I'm not a woman, your points are utterly moot.


your point is biased.  Concealed carriers are right, the rest of you are wrong.  Your opinion is of little value- sort of like voting with a six year old on whether or not to have cookies before dinner.
 
2013-07-14 05:38:00 PM

oregon fubaralas: Carth: oregon fubaralas: Carth: oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.

He started it by following him. To assail does not legally require physical contact. It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.

Sure we have talked about it in numerous other zimmerman threads. In FL it requires an unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another. Are you suggesting Following someone is unlawful in the state of FL?

What law did zimmerman break that makes him an assailant?

Like I said: It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.
Zimmerman made Trayvon fearful, and that is justification for a justifiable homicide defence in FLA.


Here is the assault law in FL. If you're referring to a different law I"m going to need to you post it. I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them and I'd be amazed if it existed.
 
2013-07-14 05:38:19 PM
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2013-07-14 05:38:48 PM

hardinparamedic: DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.

Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.


His action of following was not illegal; a legal action does not warrant an illegal response. Someone may not like it if I hit on their wife, but if they punch me I can defend myself. Sure I could have prevented it, but that does not excuse their actions nor does it make me legally culpable.
 
2013-07-14 05:39:02 PM

Molavian: I realize exactly what happens in a case like this, where a defendant has been acquitted.  Do you realize what will happen?


Yes. Because they point out in a HCP class exactly what will happen next when your actions are the reason for the escalation of a situation. Florida law only applies blanket civil immunity in a situation which was deemed stand your ground, or if you are inside of your own dwelling or vehicle at the time lethal force was justifiably used.

Florida law imposes NO duty to act when you suspect a crime is in progress. You have no legal authority to intervene unless you suspect your life, or another person's life, is in imminent danger by the reasonable man standard. Even then, civil protection against lawsuit for negligent/wrongful death is only granted if specific criteria are met.

Zimmerman should take his checkbook out. The Martin family will tell him when to stop writing zeroes.
 
2013-07-14 05:39:05 PM
So are we ever going to talk about the nature of the law in FL?  I mean, he's obviously not guilty.  But something feels funny about forcing the prosecution in a murder trial to prove that the perpetrator wasn't afraid for his life.  Seems... impossible.
 
2013-07-14 05:39:51 PM

23FPB23: SMOOOOOOTH UP INION!!!!!


Nice BB reference.
/van halen deux
// just missing a Bernie goets reference.
 
2013-07-14 05:40:02 PM

Every African American in the United States need to move their money, family, knowledge back to Africa... http://t.co/gYiO6y8zjB

- AKON (@Akon) July 14, 2013
 
2013-07-14 05:40:16 PM

Spirit Hammer: at this point GZ started walking back to his truck (according to testimony) when he was confronted by TM


As I asked earlier in the thread (and which was never answered) what part of "don't get out of your truck after you've called the cops" do you people not understand?

BTW, [citation needed] on that testimony. I'm sure you can dig it up, as it's public record now, right? I'd like to read it.
 
2013-07-14 05:40:38 PM

mayIFark: After he get's the book deal and his fans wet their pants to buy them, he will have enough money to carry around a few body guards at all times.

He will never have to worry about anything in life ever again.


Assuming all goes well with that route.

He didn't testify. People may identify with him to the extent that crime is frustrating, but beyond that, most people don't police their own neighborhoods armed with a firearm -- if they did, this would not be news. We don't know if he's likeable or relatable.

There's no evidence he can leverage his notoriety into financial security for the short-term, let alone the long-term. Any book he writes, and any interview he gives, only opens him up to the possibility of perjury charges, etc.

/prosecutors do not like to lose
 
2013-07-14 05:41:22 PM
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2013-07-14 05:41:44 PM
Carth:
Sorry, just messing about. Started feeling guilty when I saw you were a Libertarian too.

I'm perfectly happy with the verdict and think Treyvon brought it on himself by committing aggravated battery, a felony, and a justifiable homicide defense under FLA law.
 
2013-07-14 05:42:35 PM

BudTheSpud: [img822.imageshack.us image 800x600]


What a cute picture. Tell us how the DARE class told you the devil weed makes people do evil things, again?

 

DoomPaul: His action of following was not illegal; a legal action does not warrant an illegal response. Someone may not like it if I hit on their wife, but if they punch me I can defend myself. Sure I could have prevented it, but that does not excuse their actions nor does it make me legally culpable.


His action of following was an escalation of action. He suspected a crime was in progress - he's actually stated this. That's the reason he followed Martin. He was even told by a 911 dispatcher not to do that, and that he was putting himself in unnecessary danger by doing so. In that case, Florida Law and the standard for HCPs around the nation is to act as a witness alone, not to intervene. By following Martin, it's easy to point out that in the situation he escalated it to the point of physical altercation. And it's just as easy to argue that Martin felt threatened - since there were no witnesses to what happened next.

Zimmerman played pretend police, and as a result, someone died. His actions, it could be pointed out, were negligent and out of his legal duty to act as a HCP holder.
 
2013-07-14 05:42:57 PM
Whatever happened that night may be legal to the eyes of the law, but that does not make it right.

/my 2 cents
 
2013-07-14 05:43:22 PM
 
HKW
2013-07-14 05:43:25 PM

hardinparamedic: DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.

Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.


Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity. GZ saw a person he did not recognise as a member of the community at night and at a time when the area had recent buglaries.
 
2013-07-14 05:43:51 PM
If there was a better candidate for plastic surgery that didn't have a first name of Adolph, I'd like to know who he was.
 
2013-07-14 05:44:01 PM

BudTheSpud: [img845.imageshack.us image 800x672]


The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell.  Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker.  Zimmerman saw no crime in progress.  He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

The two cases are not comparable.
 
2013-07-14 05:44:16 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Every African American in the United States need to move their money, family, knowledge back to Africa... http://t.co/gYiO6y8zjB- AKON (@Akon) July 14, 2013


What a proud, intelligent, upstanding individual. Give that man the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
2013-07-14 05:44:40 PM
I'm just glad to see a justice system finally taking a good hard look into self defense shootings.  Yes, I know that wasn't used in this defense, but since the survivor is the only one who gets to tell the story, the courts owe it to the deceased to be really sure that's how it went down.  "He was coming right for me!" should never be an automatic Get Out of Jail Free card.
 
2013-07-14 05:44:51 PM
I love the fact that people on the internet have exaggerated, overstated, and flat out imagined evidence and events that never existed in the altercation, got all hyped up, and now expect the world to hate Zimmerman based on it. fark that.

There wasn't enough evidence to support a conviction. There wasn't enough evidence to even disprove a supposed liar's account, and a fair bit of evidence that supported it.

Also, seriously? "he got out of his car, this proves that he was intent to murder Trayvon"? What the hell?  Seriously, if that's your idea of solid proof of anything, then god help anyone stuck with you as a juror.  You people make me sick. I don't want to see a man walk free that is guilty, but I want to see the justice system stick with what it can prove with evidence. We're not some third world country where we can lynch a man because we think he did something. You got evidence? prove it. Otherwise, shut the fark up.
 
2013-07-14 05:44:59 PM

FloydA: TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.


Sadly, I suspect we already know.


If I had to pick either an alive Travyon or Zimmerman as a neighbor....I'll take Zimmerman every time.
 
2013-07-14 05:45:19 PM

Mouser: The whole point of our criminal justice system is to prevent civil suits.  The English established that an offense against one of the Sovereign's subjects was an offense against the Sovereign himself to keep people from seeking justice the old-fashioned way with blood-feud.

Under the American version of this, Zimmerman was tried for an offense against "the people of the State of Florida" expressly to prevent the Martin family from seeking private justice for Trayvon's death.


You do know that civil suits are not about justice, right?  Not be cavalier about it, but civil suits are about using the court to mediate compensated loss, contract disputes, probate decisions, etc.  There are many occasions where an act is not criminal, but may indeed meet the criteria for compensation.   For example, many employment  disputes are civil matters, not criminal.  Or are you suggesting that these and others should be handled by the criminal court?  That the government should be large enough to manage that burden as well?
 
2013-07-14 05:45:27 PM

HKW: GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity.


No, he does not. He had a duty to observe and report alone. Nothing else. He especially had no duty to follow a person he suspected of a crime onto private property that was not his.

Neighborhood Watch does not make you a state-commissioned security officer, nor does it make you a member of Law Enforcement. The fact you're patrolling the neighborhood while armed with a HCP-permitted weapon makes it even more of a civil danger.

Seriously, if you want to play pretend cop as an adult, just go sign up for Police Academy. Hell, some places will even let you volunteer a day or two a month.
 
2013-07-14 05:46:08 PM
He'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life?

Well now he knows how it feels to be black.
 
2013-07-14 05:46:14 PM
BeesNuts: So are we ever going to talk about the nature of the law in FL?  I mean, he's obviously not guilty.  But something feels funny about forcing the prosecution in a murder trial to prove that the perpetrator wasn't afraid for his life.  Seems... impossible.


Oh, it's already started (at least in FL) - what strikes me is, how do you PROVE, without a doubt, a narrative when half those involved are dead and absent anything other than open-to-interpretation evidence? Lacking camera or eye witness accounts? Zimmerman aside, it seems a large flaw in this law and how the legal standard for a criminal charge is worded: "beyond a reasonable doubt". (and that is for the jurists, not the foaming lunatics on fark, tyvm)
 
2013-07-14 05:46:28 PM

phenn: Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.

We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.


Which was more stupid, following someone or attacking someone for following?
I wonder how many people in New York are followed by another person while walking a day.......So while i'm taking notes on the new world order, I'm white so I can't walk behind a black person, I cant say I'm not for Obamacare, and I can't even vote for a republican or i'm a racist, right?
 
2013-07-14 05:46:29 PM

Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

The jury reviewed the evidence and concluded there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he started fight. That's not to say Martin did but there is no way to be sure. Would you really be ok with sending someone to jail for 30 years for something no one can prove?

It is fine to think Zimmerman is an idiot or a wimp (which i would say there is plenty of evidence for) but there is no evidence anything he did that night was illegal

He pursued. Yes I would be fine with it. I go to jail for it? He gets to too.

I have a little bit of a skewed view because of my old job, but I ALSO have a far wider view from a self defense point of view both because of the breadth given me in situations because of my o ...


The basic and most important crux of this problem for me is that Zimmerman INSTIGATED. Do I think he should be found guilty of murder? No. Do I feel that Trayvon's death is solely his fault? No. What I'm pissed about is that he was able to instigate a fight, get into it, start losing, and then shoot claiming self defense.

Sorry, dude, you started the fight. I guess that might actually a big source of our misunderstanding. I see fights a little bit further out because, well, I was bullied. You learn real quick to try and project fights out as possible as you can because of that, and I will very readily cede that sometimes you might see goading a fight where it doesn't really exist because of that very readily cautious behavior, but on the other side of things, hey, after enough of them a guy farking knows when a fight is coming.

Zimmerman pursued. That's not defensive behavior. That's bully behavior. Do I attach a bit more hatred towards him because of my past experiences with bullies? Probably. But even the bullies from my school days that I eventually made good with weren't that stupid. Even bullies Zimmerman's age don't pursue, they've ran into that one farker that was bigger and badder that proved to them the rule. Zimmerman with even 2 farking brain cells to ring together wouldn't have pursued. Yet he did. Sorry, you've just abandoned all hope of not seeing jail time if someone dies as a result, well at least in a sane world. But it's Florida.
 
2013-07-14 05:47:13 PM

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Zim fellaters upon hearing verdict


Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

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2013-07-14 05:47:43 PM

iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.


But he only confronted Treyvon BECAUSE he had the gun to bolster his self-esteem. If he hadn't had the gun his butt woulda stayed where the 911 operator told him to stay! He was armed so he felt like a bad ass and got out and proceeded to escalate the situation to where he was scared and shot out of fear...
 
2013-07-14 05:48:08 PM

Stile4aly: BudTheSpud: [img845.imageshack.us image 800x672]

The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell.  Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker.  Zimmerman saw no crime in progress.  He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

The two cases are not comparable.


Thats fine unless you take in account that the kid could've been trying to kill Z in which case all your arguments go out the window and thats hard to prove when there's only one witness left.

Circular arguments are circular
 
2013-07-14 05:48:24 PM

Stile4aly: Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.


What he did may have been stupid, but it was not illegal. And, Martin had the choice of whether to attack Zimmerman or just go home. He chose to attack. He deserves some culpability in this.  It's not like Zimmerman gave him absolutely no other choice or out.
 
2013-07-14 05:48:25 PM

Confusean: Which was more stupid, following someone or attacking someone for following?
I wonder how many people in New York are followed by another person while walking a day.......So while i'm taking notes on the new world order, I'm white so I can't walk behind a black person, I cant say I'm not for Obamacare, and I can't even vote for a republican or i'm a racist, right?


I'm not defending Trayvon's actions in the least. Both men farked up. I'm in complete agreement with the verdict.
 
2013-07-14 05:48:30 PM

TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:


Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!
 
2013-07-14 05:48:31 PM
It can't happen soon enough. I know I'll celebrate that day. I hope he suffers.
 
2013-07-14 05:49:24 PM

DoomPaul: hardinparamedic: DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.

Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.

His action of following was not illegal; a legal action does not warrant an illegal response. Someone may not like it if I hit on their wife, but if they punch me I can defend myself. Sure I could have prevented it, but that does not excuse their actions nor does it make me legally culpable.


Yes, but you would still be a douche, not a hero.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 05:49:45 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Every African American in the United States need to move their money, family, knowledge back to Africa... http://t.co/gYiO6y8zjB- AKON (@Akon) July 14, 2013


Well if any African American wishes to immigrate to Africa, it should be payed for entirely by the UK since King and Country are the ones responsible for thenmbeing forced here in the first place.
 
2013-07-14 05:49:50 PM
HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity. GZ saw a person he did not recognise as a member of the community at night and at a time when the area had recent buglaries.

This has been covered before - neighborhood watch members do NOT have a "right" OR a "duty" to ACT.
They are, in fact, strongly, and repeatedly, told this is a BAD idea.
Mr Zimmerman had every right to carry a weapon, etc - but please do not confuse his rights as a neighborhood watch member.
 
2013-07-14 05:49:52 PM

Carth: clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?

Here is the full transcript from the 911 call. I got in trouble in another thread for posting too much of it.

Also the state had no evidence that he tried to "confront" martin or did anything other than walk back to his car after being told they didn't need him to follow martin.


"Okay.  He's just walking around the area....looking at all the houses...  Now he's staring at me"
He starts to approach Zimmerman with something in his hand.
Zimmer comments how these a-holes always get away once the police notify him that they are on the way.
Change of heart- Williams makes a run for it.  Police are on the way.  STAND DOWN GEORGE_ PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY POSE NO IMMEDIATE THREAT (unless you have reasonable suspicion that they may be off to get a weapon)
 
2013-07-14 05:50:00 PM

rewind2846: Mr. Breeze:
I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.

Execution doesn't need a "convict", genius. Innocent people are executed by those who choose to do them harm all the time. The fact that you choose to call this unarmed murdered young man such a thing shows your obvious bias, lack of sense, and general assholiness.


Executioners, or a person with the occupation of executioner, has the job of executing convicts. Hence the term convict, which was not a descriptor I was using towards TM ya douchebag.
 
2013-07-14 05:50:17 PM

Stile4aly: BudTheSpud: [img845.imageshack.us image 800x672]

The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell.  Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker.  Zimmerman saw no crime in progress.  He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

The two cases are not comparable.


Except, in the latter case you mention, "Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death," is not applicable, by law. 

Deal with it.
 
2013-07-14 05:51:08 PM

hardinparamedic: Molavian: I realize exactly what happens in a case like this, where a defendant has been acquitted.  Do you realize what will happen?

Yes. Because they point out in a HCP class exactly what will happen next when your actions are the reason for the escalation of a situation. Florida law only applies blanket civil immunity in a situation which was deemed stand your ground, or if you are inside of your own dwelling or vehicle at the time lethal force was justifiably used.

Florida law imposes NO duty to act when you suspect a crime is in progress. You have no legal authority to intervene unless you suspect your life, or another person's life, is in imminent danger by the reasonable man standard. Even then, civil protection against lawsuit for negligent/wrongful death is only granted if specific criteria are met.

Zimmerman should take his checkbook out. The Martin family will tell him when to stop writing zeroes.


How much would you care to wager on that?  Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about so it's a safe bet.
 
2013-07-14 05:52:10 PM

parasol: HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity. GZ saw a person he did not recognise as a member of the community at night and at a time when the area had recent buglaries.

This has been covered before - neighborhood watch members do NOT have a "right" OR a "duty" to ACT.
They are, in fact, strongly, and repeatedly, told this is a BAD idea.
Mr Zimmerman had every right to carry a weapon, etc - but please do not confuse his rights as a neighborhood watch member.


This. In fact, they will tell you in a HCP class that you have extra responsibility to avoid inciting ANY conflict at all. Including to walk away from someone saying mean things about you without saying a word back if you're armed.
 
2013-07-14 05:52:20 PM

FloydA: Mr. Breeze: rewind2846: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

[www.allmystery.de image 600x300]

Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.

I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.


What was Martin convicted of?


See previous post. It's stupid to label GZ as executioner as he was getting his ass handed to him before he shot TM.

What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?
 
2013-07-14 05:52:21 PM

hardinparamedic: Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!


or....

getting suspended from school
punching a bus driver
getting in fights
stealing jewelry
selling drugs
attempting to buy a gun
casing houses
using racial slurs
assaulting someone
 
2013-07-14 05:53:02 PM

clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?

Here is the full transcript from the 911 call. I got in trouble in another thread for posting too much of it.

Also the state had no evidence that he tried to "confront" martin or did anything other than walk back to his car after being told they didn't need him to follow martin.

"Okay.  He's just walking around the area....looking at all the houses...  Now he's staring at me"
He starts to approach Zimmerman with something in his hand.
Zimmer comments how these a-holes always get away once the police notify him that they are on the way.
Change of heart- Williams makes a run for it.  Police are on the way.  STAND DOWN GEORGE_ PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY POSE NO IMMEDIATE THREAT (unless you have reasonable suspicion that they may be off to get a weapon)


FWIW, I always check out homes when I walk around.  Not gay but am always looking around for that next diy or appreciate good architecture regardless the time of day.  If I catch you eyeballing me for it damn sure i'm going wonder what your problem is.
 
2013-07-14 05:53:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.


I think this was his problem to begin with....
 
2013-07-14 05:53:27 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!


They also destroyed property in the Mission District where my son works. Shop windows, police cars, etc. Not a first amendment free expression kind of thing.
 
2013-07-14 05:54:08 PM

Popcorn Johnny: hardinparamedic: Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

or....

getting suspended from school
punching a bus driver
getting in fights
stealing jewelry
selling drugs
attempting to buy a gun
casing houses
using racial slurs
assaulting someone


human race problems
 
2013-07-14 05:54:48 PM

Confusean: phenn: Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.

We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.

Which was more stupid, following someone or attacking someone for following?
I wonder how many people in New York are followed by another person while walking a day.......So while i'm taking notes on the new world order, I'm white so I can't walk behind a black person, I cant say I'm not for Obamacare, and I can't even vote for a republican or i'm a racist, right?


I said he was partially responsible. Reading comprehension is not your thing.

I don't know if you're a racist or not, but you're clearly an idiot.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:07 PM

HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch,


Not really. He never "worked", since the neighborhood watch program was voluntary. He had no sworn duty to do anything, and could just as well have stayed home and watched tv.

Dorival said she worked closely with Zimmerman, because he helped organize the program for his neighborhood. She told him a neighborhood watch volunteer should act as the "eyes and ears" of the police -- but not like a vigilante.

Here's a copy of the neighborhood watch guide Zimmerman was given by Dorival (PDF). Take special note of pages 7, 13-15.
Guns? Confrontation? "Asking questions"? No.
Observe and report to local police? YES.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.


I bet that black guy gets shot.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:12 PM

seadoo2006: Stile4aly: BudTheSpud: [img845.imageshack.us image 800x672]

The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell.  Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker.  Zimmerman saw no crime in progress.  He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

The two cases are not comparable.

Except, in the latter case you mention, "Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death," is not applicable, by law. 

Deal with it.


Exactly. He didn't invite Treyvon Martin to beat his ass just by the simple act of following him. Whoever threw the first punch was ultimately at fault for escalating the confrontation.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:14 PM

astouffer: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

I'm not stupid enough to follow around "suspicious" youths pretending to be a rent a cop. Zimmerman was in the wrong for starting the confrontation.

Using your logic can I pick a fight with a random person on the street and then shoot them when they start winning the fight. Never mind that I started the fight. Because that is pretty much what happened.


Maybe when you stop making assumptions and objectively look at the trail and evidence you'll begin to get a better picture. Being followed isn't grounds to assualt someone. If you initiate a physical assault your are the aggressor. There is nothing beyond a resonable doubt to suggest Martin wasn't the one who initiated the physical assault. If he had run away and was shot in the back it be a different story. Instead he brought fists to a gun fight. Everyone is to blame but the law is on Zimmermans side get over the butthurt.
 
2013-07-14 05:56:40 PM

Molavian: How much would you care to wager on that?  Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about so it's a safe bet.


Please point out the Florida State Law on self-defense actions that aren't covered on a Stand Your Ground exhoneration, or the criminal court order which granted him civil indemnity under the aformentioned Florida Statute.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. His shooting was not ruled justified, as well, which is required under state law for non-SYG civil protecton
 
2013-07-14 05:56:42 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!


www.hip-hopvibe.com
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
www.examiner.com
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
i43.tinypic.com
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
www.thegatewaypundit.com
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
 
2013-07-14 05:57:44 PM
HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:16 PM

haolegirl: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

But he only confronted Treyvon BECAUSE he had the gun to bolster his self-esteem. If he hadn't had the gun his butt woulda stayed where the 911 operator told him to stay! He was armed so he felt like a bad ass and got out and proceeded to escalate the situation to where he was scared and shot out of fear...


Ugh. I'm probably the only actual politically active RKBA supporter here, on top of being a CCW......either you're trying to be ironic or you have a snail trail following you, either way there are far easier ways. If you can ignore your gag reflex, you can feel free to email me for more details.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:26 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?


Neighbor Watch....where there was a recent spate of break ins committed by blacks....raises suspicion. When Zimmerman loses track of Martin he goes to return to he vehicle where he is jumped...gets punched in his face and his head slammed on the ground. Martin could have continued to his parents house but decided to ambush Zimmerman.

/based on the evidence presented by the defense and prosecution.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:28 PM

TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

[www.hip-hopvibe.com image 600x440]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.examiner.com image 512x370]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[i43.tinypic.com image 850x635]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 785x488]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"


Animals.  All of them.
 
2013-07-14 05:59:10 PM

TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

[www.hip-hopvibe.com image 600x440]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.examiner.com image 512x370]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[i43.tinypic.com image 850x635]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 785x488]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"


First Picture: No.
Second Picture: No.
Third Picture: Eh. It's LAPD. *shrug*
Forth Picture: Yes. First Amendment.
 
2013-07-14 05:59:59 PM

parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.


So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?
 
2013-07-14 06:00:54 PM

ferretman: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?

Neighbor Watch....where there was a recent spate of break ins committed by blacks....raises suspicion. When Zimmerman loses track of Martin he goes to return to he vehicle where he is jumped...gets punched in his face and his head slammed on the ground. Martin could have continued to his parents house but decided to ambush Zimmerman.

/based on the evidence presented by the defense and prosecution.


You just pointed out that Zimmerman violated the duties imposed on him by having a HCP and being a member of a neighborhood watch by intervening on a non-violent crime where no one's life was in imminent danger.

It's good we agree on this.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:00 PM

BeatrixK: I wouldn't take Zimmerman's new brand of 'Freedom' for anything in the world.


Yuppo, a life lived in constant fear aint much of a life at all.

phenn: quatchi: I appreciate the fact that the man who stalked a young black man to death (essentially by initiating a series of events that led to an assault and self defense shooting)

So, look at what you've just written. Are you admitting that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman? Further, are you admitting this is a case of self defense?


I wasn't there. I'm going with how the jury seemed to see it.

For all I know it might have started with words between both men that led to an assault and if so nobody alive on this earth but GM can say for sure who threw the first punch.

Are you saying you know for certain one way or another? Do tell.

Whatever events 'led to an assault', that doesn't excuse the assault now, does it?

Who the fark is excusing any assault?

This is a tragedy around the board and there are NO HEROES here.

Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.

A lot of people thought then and think now that Martin as the ostensible adult in this situation should have known better, backed off and de-escalated the situation when advised to do so by Dispatch in order to avoid what eventually occurred.

I'm one of those people.

ununcle: Trademark Martin deserved what he got. Deal with it OJ fans.

/god bless Zimmerman.


Only racist asshats think Zimmerman is any kind of a hero.

*farkies ununcle in troll-grey as "racist asshat"*

Gotta admit, that's the one thing these threads are really, really good for.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:03 PM

Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?


When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.
When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

As my gun instructor taught me back in my navy days - "don't point unless you're willing to shoot, and don't shoot unless you're willing to kill".
 
2013-07-14 06:01:34 PM
ferretman:
Neighbor Watch....where there was a recent spate of break ins committed by blacks....raises suspicion. When Zimmerman loses track of Martin he goes to return to he vehicle where he is jumped...gets punched in his face and his head slammed on the ground. Martin could have continued to his parents house but decided to ambush Zimmerman.
/based on the evidence presented by the defense and prosecution.


please try to include the part of the narrative that Mr Zimmerman himself gave - and was in evidence - after losing track of TM - but before returning to his truck - GZ walked down the dog path in order to find an address.

carry on
 
2013-07-14 06:02:29 PM

quatchi: Who the fark is excusing any assault?

This is a tragedy around the board and there are NO HEROES here.

Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.


Fair enough. I read you wrong.
 
2013-07-14 06:02:34 PM

seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?


If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.
 
2013-07-14 06:02:47 PM

rewind2846: Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?

When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.
When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

As my gun instructor taught me back in my navy days - "don't point unless you're willing to shoot, and don't shoot unless you're willing to kill".


Wish I had your instructors.

Took me quite a bit to develop that mentality.

Luckily I didn't kill anyone :-/
 
2013-07-14 06:03:01 PM

Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them


The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link
 
2013-07-14 06:03:29 PM

quatchi: Who the fark is excusing any assault?

This is a tragedy around the board and there are NO HEROES here.

Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.


This.
 
2013-07-14 06:03:49 PM
seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

I guess you could but, why? You might want to take security cameras into account if you do
 
2013-07-14 06:04:05 PM

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.


Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?
 
2013-07-14 06:04:44 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

[www.hip-hopvibe.com image 600x440]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.examiner.com image 512x370]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[i43.tinypic.com image 850x635]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 785x488]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"

First Picture: No.
Second Picture: No.
Third Picture: Eh. It's LAPD. *shrug*
Forth Picture: Yes. First Amendment.


I dunno. Literally soliciting a riot is a pretty hard thing to justify via the 1st amendment.
 
2013-07-14 06:05:08 PM
Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country
 
2013-07-14 06:06:18 PM

quatchi: Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.


cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-07-14 06:06:38 PM

rewind2846: Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?

When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.
When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

As my gun instructor taught me back in my navy days - "don't point unless you're willing to shoot, and don't shoot unless you're willing to kill".


Possibility and intent are two different things. I'd almost guarantee that when he started following TM, he wasn't planning on using his weapon. Things change when you are on your back and someone is beating the crap out of you. If he would have left the gun in his truck, he might have been the one killed that night.

Who knows...
 
2013-07-14 06:07:36 PM
seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.


Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "Trayvon people" (it sounds a bit like "these assholes" imo) but, as the trial is over, isn't it about time to stop being so transparently divisive about this?
 
2013-07-14 06:08:57 PM
Oh, I don't think Zimmerman has much to be afraid of. America has a very short attention span and next week, people will be outraged over some other perceived injustice, be it real or fabricated. In the near term however, I would suggest he disguise his appearance a little. Maybe go with a hat and those big ugly hipster glasses. And don't wander into black any black communities.
 
2013-07-14 06:09:02 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

[www.hip-hopvibe.com image 600x440]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.examiner.com image 512x370]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[i43.tinypic.com image 850x635]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 785x488]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"

First Picture: No.
Second Picture: No.
Third Picture: Eh. It's LAPD. *shrug*
Forth Picture: Yes. First Amendment.


"Thas reel retodded suh"
 
2013-07-14 06:09:05 PM
God-is-a-Taco
2013-07-14 05:27:14 PM


rewind2846:
As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.

Please tell me you're trolling. Please.

He's not.

Liberals really are that stupid.
 
2013-07-14 06:09:20 PM
Once again... the angry Justice 4 Trayvon crowd seems to be out in full force, letting loose with insults and disinformation, now that this isn't a thread discussing actual trial developments and evidence in real time. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:04 PM
Zimmerman is constantly under threat his life is in danger, therefore under Florida's Stand Your Ground law he can kill anybody he wants whenever he wants
 
2013-07-14 06:10:06 PM

MorePeasPlease: quatchi: Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.

[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 525x350]


Well, he DID drop the Red Wedding on us...
 
2013-07-14 06:10:14 PM

FriarReb98: Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country


I like how everyone automatically assumes he's racist.

GZ could easily move to some backwater place in Arizona or New Mexico and live out the rest of his life without any fear of retaliation as long as he keeps his head low.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:20 PM

iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.


So much this. George is a sheep that desperatley wanted to be a wolf. The funny thing being he will spend the rest of his life being as timid as a lamb.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:44 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

[img21.imageshack.us image 501x432]


easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea Arizona watermelon juice, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation.  he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

 
2013-07-14 06:10:45 PM

parasol: seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "Trayvon people" (it sounds a bit like "these assholes" imo) but, as the trial is over, isn't it about time to stop being so transparently divisive about this?


The "transparently divisive" people are the flood of uninformed racist asshats slamming every Trayvon thread with demonstrably false garbage.

If everyone followed the trial and argued facts, we'd have one thread about this and there would be one post. It would be Grumpy Cat's "Good" photo.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:49 PM

FriarReb98: Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country


Your tears are delicious. As are all vindictive liberal tears right now. Nancy Grace is on suicide watch as we speak. By all means, please proceed.
 
2013-07-14 06:11:05 PM

seadoo2006: Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people

BOTH SIDES IN THIScannot do?

Fixed that for you.

Stop pretending like there is a hero or villain in this whole fiasco. Both of them are to blame for the outcome of this.
 
2013-07-14 06:12:47 PM

BudTheSpud: Your tears are delicious. As are all vindictive liberal tears right now. Nancy Grace is on suicide watch as we speak. By all means, please proceed.


One person is dead. Another person's life is completely ruined. Two families have become public spectacles.

But really. All you care about is that the people on the other side of the political isle are upset about it.

You are exactly what is wrong with American Politics right now.
 
2013-07-14 06:13:25 PM

Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.


If you are that weak then following strangers in the night is not the hobby for you. If you are that weak then carrying a gun is not for you. A weak and frightend person with a firearm is a danger to themselves and others.
as this case proves.
 
2013-07-14 06:13:36 PM

hardinparamedic: BudTheSpud: [img822.imageshack.us image 800x600]

What a cute picture. Tell us how the DARE class told you the devil weed makes people do evil things, again?

 DoomPaul: His action of following was not illegal; a legal action does not warrant an illegal response. Someone may not like it if I hit on their wife, but if they punch me I can defend myself. Sure I could have prevented it, but that does not excuse their actions nor does it make me legally culpable.

His action of following was an escalation of action. He suspected a crime was in progress - he's actually stated this. That's the reason he followed Martin. He was even told by a 911 dispatcher not to do that, and that he was putting himself in unnecessary danger by doing so. In that case, Florida Law and the standard for HCPs around the nation is to act as a witness alone, not to intervene. By following Martin, it's easy to point out that in the situation he escalated it to the point of physical altercation. And it's just as easy to argue that Martin felt threatened - since there were no witnesses to what happened next.

Zimmerman played pretend police, and as a result, someone died. His actions, it could be pointed out, were negligent and out of his legal duty to act as a HCP holder.


"And it's just as easy to argue that Martin felt threatened" that is what is known as reasonable doubt. This is why GZ was aquitted. You can argue all day that by leaving his car and following Martin GZ instigated the assualt, but the law doesn't support this claim. That is why the prosecution said GZ initiated the fight and was incontrol of the fight when he shot Martin. There was an eyewitness who reported Martin ontop of Zimmerman aswell so again you are just wrong in everything you said. What you believe has nothing to do with how the law is applied.
 
2013-07-14 06:14:11 PM

hardinparamedic: BudTheSpud: Your tears are delicious. As are all vindictive liberal tears right now. Nancy Grace is on suicide watch as we speak. By all means, please proceed.

One person is dead. Another person's life is completely ruined. Two families have become public spectacles.

But really. All you care about is that the people on the other side of the political isle are upset about it.

You are exactly what is wrong with American Politics right now.


Because all politics are settled in the civilized forum of reasoned debate called the Internet. Get a grip.
 
2013-07-14 06:14:24 PM
HKW: ... and those type of knucleheads will forget all about it when thier next unemployment/disability/welfare check is deposited in thier checking account in the 15th (tomorrow).

BigNumber12: Once again... the angry Justice 4 Trayvon crowd seems to be out in full force, letting loose with insults and disinformation, now that this isn't a thread discussing actual trial developments and evidence in real time. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


I find these posts interesting
 
2013-07-14 06:14:59 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
[t2.gstatic.com image 485x271]

The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.

So much this. George is a sheep that desperatley wanted to be a wolf. The funny thing being he will spend the rest of his life being as timid as a lamb.


I don't know whether to tear into you for that or not.

Good troll!
 
2013-07-14 06:15:17 PM

rewind2846: HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch,

Not really. He never "worked", since the neighborhood watch program was voluntary. He had no sworn duty to do anything, and could just as well have stayed home and watched tv.

Dorival said she worked closely with Zimmerman, because he helped organize the program for his neighborhood. She told him a neighborhood watch volunteer should act as the "eyes and ears" of the police -- but not like a vigilante.

Here's a copy of the neighborhood watch guide Zimmerman was given by Dorival (PDF). Take special note of pages 7, 13-15.
Guns? Confrontation? "Asking questions"? No.
Observe and report to local police? YES.


Actually, page 18 is pretty freaky too. I just don't see Gibson calling Hanks.

And Willis and Moore on the same side of the phone tree. No way.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 06:15:22 PM

hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people BOTH SIDES IN THIScannot do?

Fixed that for you.

Stop pretending like there is a hero or villain in this whole fiasco. Both of them are to blame for the outcome of this.


Except by LAW, you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty ... so, I'm not sure why there is any debate or discussion on this.  If you cannot demonstrably prove with FACT that there was intent to murder Trayvon, then he walks, which is what we have all been saying since the dumb kid got shiat blasted.
 
2013-07-14 06:15:38 PM

seadoo2006: clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


Again?  i'm dropping Strawberry Zinfindel on icehouse beer so you have to be a little clearer.  Trey, tra, tray wasn't on trial here- Zimmerman was.  He, Zimmerman, tried to use a little pre-crime philosophy to bust a kid walking though a nice neighborhood looking at nice homes as he passed through.
Kid eventually got spooked and ran away.  Just let it g9o man, let it go.  Unless Tras was engaged in a life threatening activity such as grabbing ol' lady tit or farking the family pet- there was no need to confront.
 
2013-07-14 06:15:46 PM

Treygreen13: parasol: seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "Trayvon people" (it sounds a bit like "these assholes" imo) but, as the trial is over, isn't it about time to stop being so transparently divisive about this?

The "transparently divisive" people are the flood of uninformed racist asshats slamming every Trayvon thread with demonstrably false garbage.

If everyone followed the trial and argued facts, we'd have one thread about this and there would be one post. It would be Grumpy Cat's "Good" photo.


Sorry, I can't feel "Good" about a man who now has to fear for his life after being acquitted for shooting another man who was repeatedly punching him and slamming his head into the ground. Vigilante justice is not justice.
 
2013-07-14 06:15:46 PM

Mr. Breeze: If he would have left the gun

his ass in his truck, he might have been the one killed that night never have been in that situation at all.

/FTFY
 
2013-07-14 06:15:51 PM

hardinparamedic: All you care about is that the people on the other side of the political isle are upset about it.


Come on dude, you've been here for awhile..........welcometofark.jpeg
 
2013-07-14 06:16:44 PM
Looks like Obama and friends aren't through with Zimmerman yet,

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/14/politico-doj-to-review-zi mm erman-case/
 
2013-07-14 06:17:01 PM
What is the score?  Who is winning?
 
2013-07-14 06:17:21 PM

Iowan73: Confusean: phenn: Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.

We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.

Which was more stupid, following someone or attacking someone for following?
I wonder how many people in New York are followed by another person while walking a day.......So while i'm taking notes on the new world order, I'm white so I can't walk behind a black person, I cant say I'm not for Obamacare, and I can't even vote for a republican or i'm a racist, right?

I said he was partially responsible. Reading comprehension is not your thing.

I don't know if you're a racist or not, but you're clearly an idiot.


Oh I comprehend your comment just fine AH. I fully understand your opinion. I don't share the same opinion, and because of that you call me names. childish and the easy out.
 
2013-07-14 06:17:39 PM

DerpHerder: This is why GZ was aquitted.


Yeah. You might want to understand what that means. Hint: There's a huge difference between the shooting being ruled justified, and an acquittal.

DerpHerder: You can argue all day that by leaving his car and following Martin GZ instigated the assualt, but the law doesn't support this claim.


I'm talking civil responsibility, not criminal. There are a lot of acts that while not criminal and even justifiable, can be held as civilly negligent.

DerpHerder: That is why the prosecution said GZ initiated the fight and was incontrol of the fight when he shot Martin. There was an eyewitness who reported Martin ontop of Zimmerman aswell so again you are just wrong in everything you said. What you believe has nothing to do with how the law is applied.


Neither being a handgun carry permit holder, nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did. You might want to take that into consideration when you start talking about a  civil trial versus a  criminal trial.
 
2013-07-14 06:17:53 PM

seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people BOTH SIDES IN THIScannot do?

Fixed that for you.

Stop pretending like there is a hero or villain in this whole fiasco. Both of them are to blame for the outcome of this.

Except by LAW, you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty ... so, I'm not sure why there is any debate or discussion on this.  If you cannot demonstrably prove with FACT that there was intent to murder Trayvon, then he walks, which is what we have all been saying since the dumb kid got shiat blasted.


Awww... You were doing so well up until that point.
 
2013-07-14 06:18:14 PM

hardinparamedic: Molavian: How much would you care to wager on that?  Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about so it's a safe bet.

Please point out the Florida State Law on self-defense actions that aren't covered on a Stand Your Ground exhoneration, or the criminal court order which granted him civil indemnity under the aformentioned Florida Statute.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. His shooting was not ruled justified, as well, which is required under state law for non-SYG civil protecton


Try Florida statute 776.032, for starters:

A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force.

776.012 is:

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

As far as the Federal civil rights suit, I giggle at that one.

How about a year of TotalFark for the winner?  Zimmerman ends up a wealthy man, and Martin's family gets jack and shiat from him.
 
2013-07-14 06:18:45 PM
Kingflower: What is the score?  Who is winning?

from what i gather? Drew Curtis - although, based on some posts in these threads I've again decided to put off paying for TF - again
 
2013-07-14 06:18:47 PM
be a shame if someone mistook him for a criminal and shot him
 
2013-07-14 06:18:53 PM

parasol: HKW: ... and those type of knucleheads will forget all about it when thier next unemployment/disability/welfare check is deposited in thier checking account in the 15th (tomorrow).

BigNumber12: Once again... the angry Justice 4 Trayvon crowd seems to be out in full force, letting loose with insults and disinformation, now that this isn't a thread discussing actual trial developments and evidence in real time. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


I find these posts interesting


Amusing actually.
 
2013-07-14 06:19:02 PM

rewind2846: Mr. Breeze: If he would have left the gun his ass in his truck, he might have been the one killed that night never have been in that situation at all.

/FTFY


If TM didn't start swinging, he might still be alive right now.
 
2013-07-14 06:19:08 PM

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?

Again?  i'm dropping Strawberry Zinfindel on icehouse beer so you have to be a little clearer.  Trey, tra, tray wasn't on trial here- Zimmerman was.  He, Zimmerman, tried to use a little pre-crime philosophy to bust a kid walking though a nice neighborhood looking at nice homes as he passed through.
Kid eventually got spooked and ran away.  Just let it g9o man, let it go.  Unless Tras was engaged in a life threatening activity such as grabbing ol' lady tit or farking the family pet- there was no need to confront.


So, you mean like how the K-Mart/Wally World people assume everyone is stealing product and have to confront everyone to determine they aren't?  Kid ran away only to come around back and bust the dude in the face.  See, no matter how you cut it, Zimmerman was acting within his RIGHTS OF LAW, and po', widdle, crunk juice was not.
 
2013-07-14 06:19:18 PM
Why are black people always so violent? :(
 
2013-07-14 06:19:30 PM

Mr. Breeze: Treygreen13: parasol: seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "Trayvon people" (it sounds a bit like "these assholes" imo) but, as the trial is over, isn't it about time to stop being so transparently divisive about this?

The "transparently divisive" people are the flood of uninformed racist asshats slamming every Trayvon thread with demonstrably false garbage.

If everyone followed the trial and argued facts, we'd have one thread about this and there would be one post. It would be Grumpy Cat's "Good" photo.

Sorry, I can't feel "Good" about a man who now has to fear for his life after being acquitted for shooting another man who was repeatedly punching him and slamming his head into the ground. Vigilante justice is not justice.


I agree. I think we're on the same page. The good would be for the verdict.
 
2013-07-14 06:20:30 PM
Don't care...
 
2013-07-14 06:20:33 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Looks like Obama and friends aren't through with Zimmerman yet,

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/14/politico-doj-to-review-zi mm erman-case/


I don't see anything coming from that.  They'll do an investigation, pay it a little bit of lip service, and let the whole thing fade from the public consciousness gradually.

Trying to file federal charges against Zimmerman at this point would give the GOP too much ammo and create a political shiatstorm that the administration really doesn't need.
 
2013-07-14 06:21:03 PM

Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(


Too obvious. -1.5/10
 
2013-07-14 06:21:06 PM

hardinparamedic: DerpHerder: This is why GZ was aquitted.

Yeah. You might want to understand what that means. Hint: There's a huge difference between the shooting being ruled justified, and an acquittal.

DerpHerder: You can argue all day that by leaving his car and following Martin GZ instigated the assualt, but the law doesn't support this claim.

I'm talking civil responsibility, not criminal. There are a lot of acts that while not criminal and even justifiable, can be held as civilly negligent.

DerpHerder: That is why the prosecution said GZ initiated the fight and was incontrol of the fight when he shot Martin. There was an eyewitness who reported Martin ontop of Zimmerman aswell so again you are just wrong in everything you said. What you believe has nothing to do with how the law is applied.

Neither being a handgun carry permit holder, nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did. You might want to take that into consideration when you start talking about a  civil trial versus a  criminal trial.


Unfortunately, Hardin, FL has self defense immunity.

We won't get that joy, which pisses me off because that was one of the things I could actually appreciate about his ultimate responsibility for his stupidity.

/Yes, I do sit there and wonder how they found the sports cars
//Taking them away was really one of the biggest things I miss about the job
 
2013-07-14 06:21:14 PM

Molavian: hardinparamedic: Molavian: How much would you care to wager on that?  Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about so it's a safe bet.

Please point out the Florida State Law on self-defense actions that aren't covered on a Stand Your Ground exhoneration, or the criminal court order which granted him civil indemnity under the aformentioned Florida Statute.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. His shooting was not ruled justified, as well, which is required under state law for non-SYG civil protecton

Try Florida statute 776.032, for starters:

A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force.

776.012 is:

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

As far as the Federal civil rights suit, I giggle at that one.

How about a year of TotalFark for the winner?  Zimmerman ends up a wealthy man, and Martin's family gets jack and shiat from him.


Sad of you to believe someone will end up a winner.  There are no winners here.  One dead kid.
 
2013-07-14 06:21:53 PM

God-is-a-Taco: BLACKS SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA

-Akon
[oi39.tinypic.com image 542x112]


Well...Bye
 
2013-07-14 06:22:10 PM

Molavian: 776.012 is:


You might want to go back and read 776.032. The shooting was never ruled a justified use of force under that statute. He was acquitted of Manslaughter and Second Degree murder charges.

Molavian: How about a year of TotalFark for the winner?


Internet arguments aren't worth 100 bucks. Thanks for the offer.
 
2013-07-14 06:22:22 PM
So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?
 
2013-07-14 06:22:30 PM

clowncar on fire: Molavian: hardinparamedic: Molavian: How much would you care to wager on that?  Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about so it's a safe bet.

Please point out the Florida State Law on self-defense actions that aren't covered on a Stand Your Ground exhoneration, or the criminal court order which granted him civil indemnity under the aformentioned Florida Statute.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. His shooting was not ruled justified, as well, which is required under state law for non-SYG civil protecton

Try Florida statute 776.032, for starters:

A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force.

776.012 is:

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

As far as the Federal civil rights suit, I giggle at that one.

How about a year of TotalFark for the winner?  Zimmerman ends up a wealthy man, and Martin's family gets jack and shiat from him.

Sad of you to believe someone will end up a winner.  There are no winners here.  One dead kid.


Good. That's a damn good win for all.
 
2013-07-14 06:22:58 PM

iq_in_binary: Unfortunately, Hardin, FL has self defense immunity.


It's my understanding that only applies of the shooting is ruled as justified, or is ruled a Stand Your Ground incident.
 
2013-07-14 06:23:48 PM

BudTheSpud: FriarReb98: Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country

Your tears are delicious. As are all vindictive liberal tears right now. Nancy Grace is on suicide watch as we speak. By all means, please proceed.


No tears here, mostly because you missed the part I bolded above.  That, and you think I'm liberal or something.  Don't know where you got  that.
 
2013-07-14 06:23:55 PM

astouffer: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

I'm not stupid enough to follow around "suspicious" youths pretending to be a rent a cop. Zimmerman was in the wrong for starting the confrontation.

Using your logic can I pick a fight with a random person on the street and then shoot them when they start winning the fight. Never mind that I started the fight. Because that is pretty much what happened.


Evidence that Zimmerman started a confrontation? NONE.
 
2013-07-14 06:24:00 PM

hardinparamedic: Molavian: 776.012 is:

You might want to go back and read 776.032. The shooting was never ruled a justified use of force under that statute. He was acquitted of Manslaughter and Second Degree murder charges.

Molavian: How about a year of TotalFark for the winner?

Internet arguments aren't worth 100 bucks. Thanks for the offer.


I want to see this. Take a bet for a month if you're serious. Put up or shut up.
 
2013-07-14 06:24:56 PM

hardinparamedic: iq_in_binary: Unfortunately, Hardin, FL has self defense immunity.

It's my understanding that only applies of the shooting is ruled as justified, or is ruled a Stand Your Ground incident.


they threw out SYG.

that leaves justified.

I miss Olyphant :-P
 
2013-07-14 06:25:19 PM

Treygreen13: I want to see this. Take a bet for a month if you're serious. Put up or shut up.


Sorry. You'll just have to take the satisfaction that I'm cheap as consolation.
 
2013-07-14 06:25:28 PM

Mr. Breeze: rewind2846: Mr. Breeze: If he would have left the gun his ass in his truck, he might have been the one killed that night never have been in that situation at all.

/FTFY

If TM didn't start swinging, he might still be alive right now.


Why would Martin be "swinging" if Zimmerman had never gotten out of his truck? If he had just observed and reported, as the handbook says?
 
2013-07-14 06:26:07 PM

Twitch Boy: I'm more worried about the jury.

Yeah, their names are sealed, but we're in 2013 here.  All it takes is one J4T script kiddie or a guy who knows a guy who knows a coworker who noticed "say, I haven't seen Alice in three weeks, she's been awful mum about what she was doing, but I think she mentioned jury duty, and come to think of it one of the jurors was a 32-year-old mother of two..."


and they recently lost their IT guy........I'm sure that doesn't help either.
 
2013-07-14 06:26:15 PM
I hope ole George is forced to read TFD advice threads while he slowly and painfully bleeds out. People like him make this world a worse place to live, and he's started this idiotic dialogue between overnight law "experts" and racist assholes. F*ck everybody.
 
2013-07-14 06:26:21 PM

hardinparamedic: Molavian: 776.012 is:

You might want to go back and read 776.032. The shooting was never ruled a justified use of force under that statute. He was acquitted of Manslaughter and Second Degree murder charges.

Molavian: How about a year of TotalFark for the winner?

Internet arguments aren't worth 100 bucks. Thanks for the offer.


Fair enough.
 
2013-07-14 06:26:39 PM

hardinparamedic: Treygreen13: I want to see this. Take a bet for a month if you're serious. Put up or shut up.

Sorry. You'll just have to take the satisfaction that I'm cheap as consolation.


To be honest that does help a little.
 
2013-07-14 06:27:02 PM
If someone was following me around and they wouldn't step off it would eventually become a confrontation.

Fight or flight

Walking away isn't working despite my best efforts, now I have to deal with this idiot.

/Maybe Zimmerman could roomate with Snowden.
 
2013-07-14 06:27:02 PM
Link to an article by a Florida Criminal Defense Attorney who can explain why Zimmy was acquitted.

Link
Also I would like to point out to many of you just because something is legal doers not mean it is a good idea to do it. Also remember what may be legal in Floriduh can be illegal in other states!
 
2013-07-14 06:27:17 PM
seadoo: Awwwwww ... you butt-hurt, everything-is-racist, Farkers mad?

LOL ...

seadoo:

See, no matter how you cut it, Zimmerman was acting within his RIGHTS OF LAW, and po', widdle, crunk juice was not.

I really can't tell if you, seadoo, think that you are funny, edgy or confused about what most of society deems "racist" intent. You do seem a tad confused
 
2013-07-14 06:28:03 PM

MyrnaMinkoff: I hope ole George is forced to read TFD advice threads while he slowly and painfully bleeds out. People like him make this world a worse place to live, and he's started this idiotic dialogue between overnight law "experts" and racist assholes. F*ck everybody.


You shut your mouth.

TFD Advice Threads are endless entertainment.

www.links.net
img19.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-14 06:28:29 PM

jaytkay: reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm


I think you'd have a very hard time proving to a jury that a person following you makes you "in imminent peril of death or great bodily" harm. And considering Martin was on the phone and flat out said he wasn't afraid of Zimmerman we know that isn't the case here.
 
2013-07-14 06:28:39 PM

Treygreen13: To be honest that does help a little.


You might say I'm practicing fiscal conservatism. >_>
 
2013-07-14 06:29:33 PM

parasol: seadoo: Awwwwww ... you butt-hurt, everything-is-racist, Farkers mad?

LOL ...

seadoo:

See, no matter how you cut it, Zimmerman was acting within his RIGHTS OF LAW, and po', widdle, crunk juice was not.

I really can't tell if you, seadoo, think that you are funny, edgy or confused about what most of society deems "racist" intent. You do seem a tad confused


Don't call him a racist. He'll drag you down to his level of stupid.
 
2013-07-14 06:29:48 PM

seadoo2006: clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?

Again?  i'm dropping Strawberry Zinfindel on icehouse beer so you have to be a little clearer.  Trey, tra, tray wasn't on trial here- Zimmerman was.  He, Zimmerman, tried to use a little pre-crime philosophy to bust a kid walking though a nice neighborhood looking at nice homes as he passed through.
Kid eventually got spooked and ran away.  Just let it g9o man, let it go.  Unless Tras was engaged in a life threatening activity such as grabbing ol' lady tit or farking the family pet- there was no need to confront.

So, you mean like how the K-Mart/Wally World people assume everyone is stealing product and have to confront everyone to determine they aren't?  Kid ran away only to come around back and bust the dude in the face.  See, no matter how you cut it, Zimmerman was acting within his RIGHTS OF LAW, and po', widdle, crunk juice was not.


Weird how we are both in agreement on this issue then.  Wlly world (in your location) must find it effective to presume guilt as the patrons are leaving.  But alas, this not be the case.  What they really assume is that if you are honest, you'll have no problem sharing your receipt.  TSA works in very much the same way- they are not looking for bad guys- just clearing the way for the innocent. Probably not much different from standing in a ticket line for the movies.  Don't have a ticket- good bye.  Next!
 
2013-07-14 06:30:06 PM

Mr. Breeze: Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(

Too obvious. -1.5/10




So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?
 
2013-07-14 06:30:25 PM

God-is-a-Taco: BLACKS SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA

-Akon

oi39.tinypic.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

 
2013-07-14 06:31:04 PM

vpb: TuteTibiImperes:

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

It's not just a matter of the standard of proof being lower, you can be liable for civil damages without being criminally liable.

If you cause someone's death unintentionally you may not be guilty of a crime, but you still caused their death.  Just because you don't deserve prison doesn't mean that the family doesn't deserve compensation for the death.


In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

As it should.
 
2013-07-14 06:31:40 PM

Alonjar: So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?


No. He doesn't pretend that a complex, multifactorial issue as violent crime can be distilled simply down to the melanin content in one's skin.

I think that makes him a little more intelligent than someone who does.
 
2013-07-14 06:32:06 PM
HardinParamedic - I really wouldn't call a stranger "racist" - It's just curious to me how many people are screaming about "racists" who also post the ugliest of stereotypes -

btw - thanks for the "need help soonish" chair pic  - i snarfed again
 
2013-07-14 06:33:27 PM

farkmedown: In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

As it should.


Actually, no it shouldn't. Civil Immunity should only be granted in specific circumstances where the HCP holder acted responsibly and didn't initiate the situation, escalate it avoidably, or play police officer. And then you have situations where even if it was a justifiable shooting, the amount of force used was overwhelmingly disproportionate in what was needed to neutralize the threat- i.e. the "I shot till he stopped moving" people.

Blanket Civil Immunity is a bad idea.
 
2013-07-14 06:33:42 PM

hardinparamedic: Alonjar: So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?

No. He doesn't pretend that a complex, multifactorial issue as violent crime can be distilled simply down to the melanin content in one's skin.

I think that makes him a little more intelligent than someone who does.




Sorry. That just makes you bad at math.
 
2013-07-14 06:33:59 PM

Alonjar: Mr. Breeze: Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(

Too obvious. -1.5/10

So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?


I haven't looked at the state since i was in college over a decade ago but at the time blacks may have been 7 times more likely to commit murder but a white person was still more likely to be killed by another white person.
 
2013-07-14 06:34:14 PM

Elegy: I see this thread has brought out the ugly side of Fark.

Clamoring for mob justice against a man who was found not guilty by the American judicial system.

Stay classy, guys.


Exactly, like when we all decided that if the jury found OJ innocent, that we should not second guess the jury.
 
2013-07-14 06:34:31 PM

parasol: I really wouldn't call a stranger "racist" - It's just curious to me how many people are screaming about "racists" who also post the ugliest of stereotypes -


I've stopped calling people racist. Because I realize they retreat into the "YOU DONT KNOW MY TRUE FEELINGS" BS when confronted about it. In reality, I honestly don't care about what you are. I care about you being held accountable for what you say.
 
2013-07-14 06:35:11 PM

hardinparamedic: farkmedown: In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

As it should.

Actually, no it shouldn't. Civil Immunity should only be granted in specific circumstances where the HCP holder acted responsibly and didn't initiate the situation, escalate it avoidably, or play police officer. And then you have situations where even if it was a justifiable shooting, the amount of force used was overwhelmingly disproportionate in what was needed to neutralize the threat- i.e. the "I shot till he stopped moving" people.

Blanket Civil Immunity is a bad idea.


You should do something to change it, then. What is your plan?
 
2013-07-14 06:35:23 PM

Carth: Alonjar: Mr. Breeze: Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(

Too obvious. -1.5/10

So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?

I haven't looked at the state stats since i was in college over a decade ago but at the time blacks may have been 7 times more likely to commit murder but a white person was still more likely to be killed by another white person.


FTFM
 
2013-07-14 06:35:29 PM

Alonjar: Sorry. That just makes you bad at math.


Riiiight.

Oh my god! Black people are so x! I mean, let's ignore A - Z to come to that conclusion, but yeah! x! Think of the children!
 
2013-07-14 06:36:06 PM

Treygreen13: You should do something to change it, then. What is your plan?


I'm not going to be changing anything. It's already that way in my state. I'll spring into action when someone decides to change it.
 
2013-07-14 06:36:32 PM

hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did


I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.
 
2013-07-14 06:37:28 PM
 
2013-07-14 06:37:32 PM

Azlefty: I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


At least we can agree on this.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:05 PM
Spoiler Alert: there is no "drunk" at the end of a bottle of California Strawberry Zinfindel.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:12 PM

Azlefty: hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did

I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:15 PM

Azlefty: hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did

I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


There's also no legal prohibition either.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:34 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?


Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:46 PM

hardinparamedic: MyrnaMinkoff: I hope ole George is forced to read TFD advice threads while he slowly and painfully bleeds out. People like him make this world a worse place to live, and he's started this idiotic dialogue between overnight law "experts" and racist assholes. F*ck everybody.

You shut your mouth.

TFD Advice Threads are endless entertainment.


Maybe one every few weeks. Maybe.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:31 PM

seadoo2006: One dead kid. Good. That's a damn good win for all.


I'm glad I'm not a hateful bigot. That's gotta be bad for the blood pressure.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:39 PM

seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.


Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.


The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:51 PM

MorePeasPlease: quatchi: Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.

[GRRMartin.jpg]


Okay , "George Zimmerman" then.

But I'm still not letting round-boy there off the hook for the Red Wedding.

/Seriously, that shiat was brutal.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 06:41:01 PM

Azlefty: hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did

I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


And thats exactly what GZ did. He reported a suspicious person and, as trayvon moved around, updated 911 with the location of the suspect.

Until Trayvon decided to show what happens to beta white crackers who follow strong black men.
 
2013-07-14 06:41:06 PM

hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.


There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.
 
2013-07-14 06:41:06 PM

seadoo2006: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/14/the-picture-of-trayvon-on-night-he - was-shot-that-the-msm-didnt-show/

[weaselzippers.us image 548x346]


Haw! Haw! A black man holding up a store with a bag of skittles.  How stupid is dat?
 
2013-07-14 06:41:28 PM

Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.


Or lighter. It isn't fair to claim that racism is against darker people only. You should hear my Vietnamese mother in law talk about Chinese people.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?


No, but following a random person down a dark street even though the 911 operators suggested that he not do that indicates that he doesn't have much common sense.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:23 PM

hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.


You really want to accuse Zimmerman of "impersonating a police officer". Really.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:47 PM

jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link


I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:21 PM

seadoo2006: There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.


ITT: The thread where seadoo2006 can't comprehend the difference between criminal responsibility and civil responsibility for negligent acts and being proximate cause.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:27 PM

seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.


No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:32 PM

falcon176: Zimmerman is constantly under threat his life is in danger, therefore under Florida's Stand Your Ground law he can kill anybody he wants whenever he wants


Yep, who could overcome his assertion after shooting someone that he was in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death?

Certainly no prosecutor in Florida.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:46 PM
gee - you know what is really striking about that "Trayvon at the 7-11" picture?

change the hair/skin tones to "russian/irish" descent and viola! he is my tall, thin 17 year old who then had a penchant for hoodies and junk food - great, now I sound like Obama - good god

yeah - scary picture - terrifying - and as common as fast-food napkins
 
2013-07-14 06:44:01 PM

Treygreen13: You really want to accuse Zimmerman of "impersonating a police officer". Really.


Actually, more like a LARPer. He never grew out of the phase where he pretended to be one as a kid.
 
2013-07-14 06:44:47 PM

Dimensio: jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link

I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.


Dimensio, you have the patience of Buddha. How do you remain so diplomatic?
 
2013-07-14 06:44:51 PM

Carth: jaytkay: reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm

I think you'd have a very hard time proving to a jury that a person following you makes you "in imminent peril of death or great bodily" harm. And considering Martin was on the phone and flat out said he wasn't afraid of Zimmerman we know that isn't the case here.


I'm not making any claims about the Zimmerman case. I was just pointing out that Florida law actually does allow self defense, even deadly self defense, based on fear alone.
 
2013-07-14 06:45:09 PM

Mr. Breeze: rewind2846: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

[www.allmystery.de image 600x300]

Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.

I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.


Nonsense. George did most of his lying while sitting down. Oh I'm not saying that each of his mutually exclusive accounts of what happened that night was a lie. One of them might have been the truth but it's hard to tell which one.
 
2013-07-14 06:45:11 PM
This acquittal is a victory for pathetic, doughy, insecure guntards the world over. REJOICE! Failure awaits you!
 
HKW
2013-07-14 06:45:44 PM

Mrtraveler01: Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

No, but following a random person down a dark street even though the 911 operators suggested that he not do that indicates that he doesn't have much common sense.


You shouldnt take your 'facts' from MSNBC.
 
2013-07-14 06:46:02 PM

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.

No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.


No proof being the operative phrase. There's no proof, which is why Zimmerman walks.
 
2013-07-14 06:46:39 PM

parasol: HardinParamedic - I really wouldn't call a stranger "racist" - It's just curious to me how many people are screaming about "racists" who also post the ugliest of stereotypes -

btw - thanks for the "need help soonish" chair pic  - i snarfed again


The word has lost all meaning the last couple of decades for anyone with common sense.. Mainstream media legitimizing the constructs of "institutional racism" and "white privilege" has imbedded in the minds of a whole generation of blacks that ALL whites are racist. So what farking difference does it make? After this trial we may start hearing terms like "Hispanic privilege".
 
2013-07-14 06:46:46 PM

Treygreen13: Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.

Or lighter. It isn't fair to claim that racism is against darker people only. You should hear my Vietnamese mother in law talk about Chinese people.


Japanese use to talk that way about the Koreans as well.  Funny thing is now, Koreans are the bomb with the Japanese youth.  Most Japanese drama these days are really dubbed in Korea shows


Not sure how this ties in with Trey/George, though. What was the question again?
 
2013-07-14 06:47:05 PM

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.

No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.


That's where the whole innocent until proven guilty thing comes in.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:15 PM
Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:17 PM

HKW: Mrtraveler01: Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

No, but following a random person down a dark street even though the 911 operators suggested that he not do that indicates that he doesn't have much common sense.

You shouldnt take your 'facts' from MSNBC.


So Martin attacked Zimmerman from his truck?
 
2013-07-14 06:47:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Treygreen13: You really want to accuse Zimmerman of "impersonating a police officer". Really.

Actually, more like a LARPer. He never grew out of the phase where he pretended to be one as a kid.


Now you're just being silly. Silly, silly man.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:18 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.


Good. That arrogant pendejo brought this upon himself.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.

The coward, if he's smart, will leave this country for one that doesn't have many black people.
 
2013-07-14 06:49:13 PM
ununcle: The word has lost all meaning the last couple of decades for anyone with common sense.. Mainstream media legitimizing the constructs of "institutional racism" and "white privilege" has imbedded in the minds of a whole generation of blacks that ALL whites are racist. So what farking difference does it make? After this trial we may start hearing terms like "Hispanic privilege".


Pretty sure I heard "hispanic privilege" in the discussion over immigration reform already
 
2013-07-14 06:49:24 PM

clowncar on fire: Treygreen13: Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.

Or lighter. It isn't fair to claim that racism is against darker people only. You should hear my Vietnamese mother in law talk about Chinese people.

Japanese use to talk that way about the Koreans as well.  Funny thing is now, Koreans are the bomb with the Japanese youth.  Most Japanese drama these days are really dubbed in Korea shows


Not sure how this ties in with Trey/George, though. What was the question again?


I dunno. Just wanted to note that racism isn't strictly a matter of melanin density.
 
2013-07-14 06:49:39 PM

genner: clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.

No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.

That's where the whole innocent until proven guilty thing comes in.


Oh.
So defending yourself against a brandished weapon vs he didn't know I was carrying has no bearing on this case?
 
2013-07-14 06:49:51 PM

Elegy: Now you're just being silly. Silly, silly man.


i1.ytimg.com

That's silly sah. Silly!
 
2013-07-14 06:50:32 PM

Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker diffrent shaded skin than yours.


FIFY
 
2013-07-14 06:51:01 PM

clowncar on fire: genner: clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.

No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.

That's where the whole innocent until proven guilty thing comes in.

Oh.
So defending yourself against a brandished weapon vs he didn't know I was carrying has no bearing on this case?


Of course it does.......if there was any evidence indicating that. The lack of evidence either way means Zimmerman walks.
 
2013-07-14 06:51:26 PM
"Hey, I got away with it *once*... I'll bet I can do this a dozen times, now!"
 
2013-07-14 06:51:28 PM

Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.


You're right, not one other witness substantiated his claims.

Except the majority of the witnesses provided testimony that did, in fact, support his story.

And the physical evidence substantiated those his story, including his injuries.

And the forensic evidence detailing the circumstances of the shot.

But you're right, there was no way to substantiate Zimmerman's claims, other than his own word.
 
2013-07-14 06:52:04 PM

Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.


You are aware there was a witness to the attack, right?

Oh, what does it matter? Even if you did look it up you'd never come back. Why do I even bother?
 
2013-07-14 06:53:11 PM

Elegy: I see this thread has brought out the ugly side of Fark.

Clamoring for mob justice against a man who was found not guilty by the American judicial system.

Stay classy, guys.


Yeah, it came out in full force after the verdict and getting progressively worse in each thread.  Same people who don't know the meanings of the words they use, what the evidence is, or are lying through their teeth(or fingers on the internet I guess) so that they can further a pet cause.

Only now with the verdict out their indignations is more righteous, in their mind's eye anyhow.

I came to the conclusion in one of the other threads.  This is a unifying cause.  It really brings together people from all walks of life to be ignorant as a populace.

Anti-gun, pro-violence, traditionally reversed racists, white-guilt liberal dupes, that good ol' catholic "killing is always a sin" type of conservative, soccer moms who deny the faults in their own kids(such as violence, drug use, attempting to buy guns illegally), internet modmins who will label people's posts as "hatespeech", anti-fat people(in GZ's case), pro-fat people(In Rachel Jenteals case), cop-haters as well as those who seek to remove power from everyone and revel in the security of the nanny state, the list goes on and on.

All types really, all brought under one huge umbrella of ignorance with an agenda to speak out against the intellectual's they falsely perceive as racists and the few racists that happen to ally with us.

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.

He'll probably call the cops instead of a slow girl in Miami.

i1.ytimg.com
/doesn't see what you did there
//even though she's looking right at it
___________________________________________________________

I really don't get it, all of the outrage and complaining and fabricating or willful ignorance of the evidence and the law.

There are plenty of cases where race actually was involved in the motive to campaign against.  Apparently that's not important to the people complaining here(or simply not understood...). They then wonder why people dislike them as an individual...well not really, some just call it racism, even though it's an individual judgement of character based on action.  In any other thread it's labeled as the repercussions of idiot's practicing free speech(ie Paula Dean threads).

I know it boils down to ineptitude or cognitive dissonance, but it's still amazing to see it, like the path of a devastating storm.  Awe inspiring destruction.
 
2013-07-14 06:53:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: So Martin attacked Zimmerman from his truck?


I'm curious, how buff are you after more than a year of moving the goal posts?
 
2013-07-14 06:53:15 PM

Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.


Ok, I'll bite.

What do you think happened.
Keep in mind what happened the other 46 times he called 911, his 1/10 rating from the MMA instructor, his history of working across racial lines to help people (the black homeless person, the tutoring), the bruises he had and the lack of any on Martin.
Throw in his reenactment for the police (he didn't lawyer up) and the consistency of all the prosecution witnesses.

Go ahead, tell me what happened and be specific.
 
2013-07-14 06:53:16 PM

genner: The lack of evidence either way melaninmeans Zimmerman walks.


There we go.
 
2013-07-14 06:53:52 PM

jaytkay: Carth: jaytkay: reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm

I think you'd have a very hard time proving to a jury that a person following you makes you "in imminent peril of death or great bodily" harm. And considering Martin was on the phone and flat out said he wasn't afraid of Zimmerman we know that isn't the case here.

I'm not making any claims about the Zimmerman case. I was just pointing out that Florida law actually does allow self defense, even deadly self defense, based on fear alone.


Only if the fear is reasonable, and according to the law you quoted only if someone is trying to break into your house. But like you said the law you quoted has nothing to do with the case or whether someone following you is grounds for self defense.

You're right I should have been more specific when I was talking about whether fear was a justification as i meant with regards to the case and didn't say so.
 
2013-07-14 06:54:38 PM
Okay - I am satisfied - been waiting since the verdict for the more vocal Zimmerman defenders, whose chorus has been absolute assertion they KNOW exactly what happened, to the current: "there was no evidence, so he walks" as posted here several times.

Sometimes, it's painful to see ahead and not be in Vegas.

Goodnight everyone
 
2013-07-14 06:54:53 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: genner: The lack of evidence either way melaninmeans Zimmerman walks.

There we go.


If Zimmerman was black no one would care about this case and he would have walked away months ago.
 
2013-07-14 06:54:57 PM

Treygreen13: Dimensio: jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link

I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.

Dimensio, you have the patience of Buddha. How do you remain so diplomatic?


I have learned to disable my emotional processing.
 
2013-07-14 06:55:00 PM

Treygreen13: clowncar on fire: Treygreen13: Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.

Or lighter. It isn't fair to claim that racism is against darker people only. You should hear my Vietnamese mother in law talk about Chinese people.

Japanese use to talk that way about the Koreans as well.  Funny thing is now, Koreans are the bomb with the Japanese youth.  Most Japanese drama these days are really dubbed in Korea shows


Not sure how this ties in with Trey/George, though. What was the question again?

I dunno. Just wanted to note that racism isn't strictly a matter of melanin density.


Nips pale. Chosenjin paler.  Got it.
 
2013-07-14 06:55:22 PM

Dimensio: jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link

I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.


You're arguing against a claim I did not make.

I simply said that self defense can be based on fear.
 
2013-07-14 06:55:49 PM

parasol: Okay - I am satisfied - been waiting since the verdict for the more vocal Zimmerman defenders, whose chorus has been absolute assertion they KNOW exactly what happened, to the current: "there was no evidence, so he walks" as posted here several times.

Sometimes, it's painful to see ahead and not be in Vegas.

Goodnight everyone


Well, bye.
 
2013-07-14 06:56:24 PM

omeganuepsilon: He'll probably call the cops instead of a slow girl in Miami.


Colorful you damn racist, colorful!!!
 
2013-07-14 06:57:06 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.


Since you asked, okay.

Just because you think somebody is following you does not give you the right to ambush them and start being them up. Instead of running your mouth and uttering racial epithets to your girlfriend you could... Hang up the phone and call the cops.

When somebody is on top of you beating you up and hitting your head against the ground may I ask what the appropriate level of force to defend yourself is? I realize that people got hung up in the BS story that he just walked up and shot somebody in cold blood but the facts and evidence supported precisely what he said... That Martin was on top of him, pummeling him, and that Zimmerman shot him in self defense.

It was almost a riot to read here on Fark. First it was a white guy just walked up and shot a black kid. Okay, it was actually a 'white hispanic' guy. The kid attacked him? This was called a lie. Oh wait, pictures of his injuries. Well um... it's still Zimmerman's fault SOMEHOW... Right? Come on right?
 
2013-07-14 06:57:33 PM

seadoo2006: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/14/the-picture-of-trayvon-on-night-he - was-shot-that-the-msm-didnt-show/

[weaselzippers.us image 548x346]


Yeah,, but the camera adds 5 inches.
 
2013-07-14 06:58:10 PM

parasol: Okay - I am satisfied - been waiting since the verdict for the more vocal Zimmerman defenders, whose chorus has been absolute assertion they KNOW exactly what happened, to the current: "there was no evidence, so he walks" as posted here several times.

Sometimes, it's painful to see ahead and not be in Vegas.

Goodnight everyone


Well, I'm glad that you feel you proved.... something.

Whatever, as long as your smug sense of superiority remains intact, this was a win, amirite?
 
2013-07-14 06:58:22 PM

ununcle: seadoo2006: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/14/the-picture-of-trayvon-on-night-he - was-shot-that-the-msm-didnt-show/

[weaselzippers.us image 548x346]

Yeah,, but the camera adds 5 inches.


So that's how the porn industry does it....
 
2013-07-14 06:58:58 PM
I sense a "To Kill A Mockingbird" outcome in some near future.

No one's going to give a damn when poor Zimmermann "accidentally" falls on his "knife".
 
2013-07-14 06:59:15 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face.


they've reaped what they sowed.
 
2013-07-14 06:59:50 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Or maybe Drew is just allowing inflammatory shiat to be posted because it generates page views.


You would know.
 
2013-07-14 07:00:33 PM

ggecko: THIS GUY has it right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFi0l--NPI


You should have read the rest of that thread.
That dude is an insane black self-supremacist that hates everyone, but mostly black women.
His blog is insane. He's severely mentally ill.
 
2013-07-14 07:02:08 PM

jaytkay: Dimensio: jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link

I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.

You're arguing against a claim I did not make.

I simply said that self defense can be based on fear.


You quoted a Florida statute relating to the justified use ofdeadly force anf concluded that fear is a reason to use deadly force, when in fact the statute that you quoted only justifies deadly force when a fear is reasonable. Not all fear is reasonable, thus your conclusion is not universially applicable.
 
2013-07-14 07:02:57 PM
why does a Mexican dude have a Jewish name? has no one noticed this?
 
2013-07-14 07:03:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Molavian: 776.012 is:

You might want to go back and read 776.032. The shooting was never ruled a justified use of force under that statute. He was acquitted of Manslaughter and Second Degree murder charges.


From my understanding, he was found "not guilty" even though he incontrovertibly did do the shooting.  That means, as a concept, it was justified use of force, otherwise it would have been "guilty".(and hence the irrelevance of OJ's 2 trial outcomes)

Whether it provides immunity, no one seems to have a clear answer, but it may be that it's a matter of paperwork after the  unanimous verdict is out.  I'm sure we'll hear more on Monday and after.

The Defense team did say they'd seek and get immunity if any suits are filed.
 
2013-07-14 07:03:27 PM
For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

unitedstatespilatesassociation.com
 
2013-07-14 07:04:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Every African American in the United States need to move their money, family, knowledge back to Africa... http://t.co/gYiO6y8zjB- AKON (@Akon) July 14, 2013


Who wants a coke?
 
2013-07-14 07:05:03 PM

Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.


Or lighter, if you live in Asia or Hawaii.
 
2013-07-14 07:06:17 PM
So, has anyone seen the Kill Zimmermanfacebook page that Facebook has declined to take down because "It doesn't constitute hate speech"?
 
2013-07-14 07:06:19 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

[unitedstatespilatesassociation.com image 298x448]


OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR!!!!
 
2013-07-14 07:06:58 PM
He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally. I honestly hope he gets ass cancer and dies a slow, horrible death.
 
2013-07-14 07:07:47 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous  liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.


Good luck with that.  Hypocrisy knows no bounds...
 
2013-07-14 07:08:46 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.


Why? The standard of proof is completely different and the defendant cannot refuse to testify in a civil suit. There's a much greater likelyhood of getting to the truth in a civil suit.
 
2013-07-14 07:10:00 PM

Madbassist1: Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

[unitedstatespilatesassociation.com image 298x448]

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR!!!!


On what mounds?
 
2013-07-14 07:10:03 PM
Fark me you guys are way off on racism. Everybody has a little racist in them. Hell black folks are some of the most racist people around. Ever wonder why they keep calling eachother ni**er? Most white folks are racist to. But because of the college "enlightend" crowd, they cant just come out and say it.

calling george a white racist is pretty off base being as he was pretty much a heinz 57. Looking like a mexican.

yeah I am a white guy. Dont hate anyone specifically because of race. I mean an idiot is an idiot regardless of color. But you have to judge someone on a first impression. Race is a factor in that impression. It just is.

my ex wife is black like eddie and charlie murphy. My boy is somewhere in between my pasty white ass and wesley snipes black. He is a brown boy.

geuss who caused our realationship the most problems?
her racist ass mother hates white folks.


so yeah no group gets to be self righteous in the racism discussion. Cause there is lots of blame for everyone to share in.
 
2013-07-14 07:10:27 PM

markb289: TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

Why? The standard of proof is completely different and the defendant cannot refuse to testify in a civil suit. There's a much greater likelyhood of getting to the truth in a civil suit.


Personally I believe the standard of proof for civil suits is too low, and they don't require unanimous verdicts.  The criminal system get's it right, IMO, and the burden of proof shouldn't be less just because it's a civil case.
 
2013-07-14 07:10:51 PM

Mouser: For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.


Your bias is revealed in your assumptions.
 
2013-07-14 07:11:20 PM

Owangotang: He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally.


what did he do that was immoral?
How long should he have been beaten before he tried to stop it with more than yelling for his life?
 
2013-07-14 07:11:25 PM
Lorelle:  if he's smart, will leave this country for one that doesn't have many black people.

oi40.tinypic.com

It's... beautiful.
 
2013-07-14 07:11:44 PM

randomjsa: It was almost a riot to read here on Fark. First it was a white guy just walked up and shot a black kid. Okay, it was actually a 'white hispanic' guy. The kid attacked him? This was called a lie. Oh wait, pictures of his injuries. Well um... it's still Zimmerman's fault SOMEHOW... Right? Come on right?


Yeah, the evolution of their arguments over time is almost stunning.  As we saw with the prosecution, people will resort to pleas of emotion when lacking any and all evidence.

Religion is perceived as dying out, I think People appear to be just shifting the direction of their BeliefsTM.  This is evidenced by a great many atheists that tend to just happen to be atheist but haven't put much thought into it, and how some are every bit as bad as vehemently religious types.  Same for liberals/conservatives.  Same faults in logic, just different dogma or moral perception of right/wrong, still shooting from the gut.

Sad really.
 
2013-07-14 07:15:04 PM
"I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence,"

When my eldest son asked me what he should have done, had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908, whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defended me, I told him that  it was his duty to defend me even by using violence.

Gandi:  Doctrine of the Sword.
 
2013-07-14 07:15:09 PM

Dimensio: You quoted a Florida statute relating to the justified use ofdeadly force anf concluded that fear is a reason to use deadly force, when in fact the statute that you quoted only justifies deadly force when a fear is reasonable. Not all fear is reasonable, thus your conclusion is not universially applicable.


I did not say it was "universally applicable" or imply anything about unreasonable fear being a valid defense.

Stop injecting arguments I did not make. Your "emotional processing" is clouding your reading comprehension.
 
2013-07-14 07:18:11 PM
NY Times:

Talk of Race, Barred in Trial, Drives Reactions to Verdict

QUOTE:

"Trayvon Benjamin Martin is dead because he and other black boys and men like him are not seen as a person, but a problem," the Rev. Dr. Raphael G. Warnock, the senior pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, told his congregation on Sunday morning. In an interview afterward, Dr. Warnock put the killing in the context of a month in which the Supreme Court voted 5-4 to, in effect, gut the Voting Rights Act".

"The last few weeks have been pivotal to the consciousness of black America," he said. "Black men have been stigmatized. We've become a stigmatized mascot for social misery and the canvas on which America projects all of its problems."

[FURTHER DOWN OBAMA CHIMES IN TO FAN THE FLAMES WITH PREDICTABLE POLITICAL POSTURING]

QUOTE:

"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy," the president said in a statement issued by the White House. "Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken.

[Did the POTUS just imply that the verdict was unjust?]

[...]

[Obama continues]

"We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin."

END QUOTE

Well, it would certainly APPEAR that Mr. Obama is implying that everyone should remain calm, and RESPECT the jury's decision (even if it WAS "racist"), AND THEN, without missing a beat, Obama goes on to BLAME THE GUN (and the white debbil who used it, and got off because "racism", of course).

So here we have leaders of the "Black Community" (including the Race-Baiter in Chief) bemoaning (by implication) the "fact" that blacks in the US suffer (largely) because they are beaten, "profiled", targeted and victimized by the (WHITE) judicial system, victims of the Institutional Racism that called this case to our attention to begin with.

Remember that?

The ONLY reason that this case gained national attention was the accusation that the Sanford Police Dept. and Prosecutor's Office failed to charge Zimmerman with a crime. And they held fast to their decision - even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure from the Professional Race-Baiters (Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, etc), from Florida's governor, EVEN from Obama himself, who charged US Attorney General Eric Holder with conducting a "special investigation" into the allegations of Institutional Racism in Sanford, Florida.

But still, the Sanford officials REFUSED to budge: They maintained that they declined to press charges because, after reviewing the available evidence, interviewing witnesses, interrogating Zimmerman, and reviewing the reports of forensic and medical evidence, they concluded that there was not sufficient evidence that Zimmerman could be successfully prosecuted.

But the race-baiters and the lying media kept the pressure on, until the Sanford Police Chief was forced to resign in the ensuing brouhaha.

Finally, frustrated at the insolence of the "racist" Sanford officials, the Governor of Florida appointed a "Special Prosecutor" who had ONE JOB: Prosecute George Zimmerman.

And prosecute they did. They assembled a "crack" team of hard-core "winners" who, being "good prosecutors", cared about ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY: Winning the case. Facts? Truth? These are mere inconveniences - hurdles to be overcome by whatever devious means necessary. And considering the fact that they were tasked with the equivalent of building the Great Pyramid with Play-Doh, they must be applauded for their efforts - their sleazy, deceptive, slimy, underhanded efforts.

Unfortunately for these Judicial Jesters, once the court was in session, their "case" quickly began to unravel, as the prosecution's OWN star witnesses provided testimony that could ONLY be construed to support the position of the defense: Patrol officers, supervisors, detectives, dispatchers, crime scene experts, doctors, medical examiners, the neighbors who were eye and ear witnesses to the altercation, even Trayvon Martin's friend who spoke with him on the phone during those last crucial minutes - all of these witnesses for the PROSECUTION gave testimony that supported the DEFENSE.

And if that weren't enough, the physical and documentary evidence ALSO favored the Defense position, and the reason that the Sanford PD declined to press charges soon became clear: THEY HAD NO CASE.

After the first few days of trial proceedings, it became abundantly clear that the entire trial was a farce - a facade fabricated in an effort to placate the RACIAL TENSION AND RAGE that had been created NOT by the incident itself, but by the Professional Race-Baiters, the lying, deceptive grandstanding media, and the sleazy politicians who were using this unfortunate incident as a POLITICAL TOOL.

Following extended deliberations, the jury returned a verdict last night: NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS, and the man who was not initially charged by the Sanford PD was allowed to walk free - to live in fear of vigilante retribution for as long as he is able to evade those who would target him.

With the verdict came the vindication of the accused - not only George Zimmerman, but the Sanford PD and Prosecutors office, and all others who REFUSED to bow to the extreme pressure put on them by sleazy politicians, the media and the public, and STOOD THEIR GROUND in the name of justice.

These people are true heroes of conscience and of character, and should be applauded by each and every person who values justice, integrity and the rule of law.

And what of the race-baiters, media pundits and politicians who tried to railroad George Zimmerman to serve their own nefarious ends? Are they apologizing? Apologizing to the man who was wrongfully accused and should never have been brought to trial? Are they apologizing to the Sanford officials that they viciously accused of Institutional Racism for refusing to press charges in spite of political pressure that bore down on them from the White House itself?

NO. Instead we see that they are TURNING UP THE VOLUME OF THEIR RHETORIC, whining that justice was NOT served, using this case and the jury's verdict as FURTHER "evidence" that the entire justice system is "racist"!

In other words they continue to do what they do best: Divide us as a nation by creating inter-group tension, strife and hatred, AND to further specific political goals, such as neutering the Bill Of Rights. We see the Provocateur In Chief immediately seizing this issue as an opportunity to "justify" the gun-grabbing ambitions of he and his fellow Authoritarians and would-be oligarchs - Republican and Democrat alike.

Those that foisted this farce on the American people owe an apology - not only to George Zimmerman and the Sanford officials, but to ALL Americans - for attempting to hoodwink and divide us for the sake of furthering their own selfish and sinister political agendas.

But don't hold your breath. No apologies will be forthcoming.

The best thing that we can do, as a people, is to learn a lesson as to how those in power - politicians, media, agent provocateurs - work to manipulate us - TO TURN US AGAINST ONE ANOTHER - because a nation that is preoccupied with infighting between groups is much easier to control and to rule.

And that is precisely what they hope to accomplish: Divide and Rule.

The next time you see these scheming con-men playing their games, remember their tactics. We don't have to fall prey to their schemes.
 
2013-07-14 07:20:14 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.

Ok, I'll bite.

What do you think happened.
Keep in mind what happened the other 46 times he called 911, his 1/10 rating from the MMA instructor, his history of working across racial lines to help people (the black homeless person, the tutoring), the bruises he had and the lack of any on Martin.
Throw in his reenactment for the police (he didn't lawyer up) and the consistency of all the prosecution witnesses.

Go ahead, tell me what happened and be specific.


In the dark of night he prowled.  Sweat glistening off his lean buttocks, the wind whispering through his hair.  How long had he waited for this?  How long?  He picked up the scent of his prey on the wind, half-germanic, half-latino, the faint whiff of cheetos and Michelob set his mind at ease:  this would be easy prey.  He circled back through the parking lot sniffing the ground, he had lost his handlers hours ago and they may find him at any time, he had to be quick.  He spotted his prey wending through the buildings, the thick heat of a summer's night bearing down on him, he could almost taste the delicious man flesh and the delicious snapping of bones.

In an instant he sprang, leaping out of the shadows.  His furry arm reaching out to end the fight before it even began.  He was shocked when the portly young man spun around, grabbing a gun from his back holster with preternatural swiftness.  He managed to get one claw on him and force him to the ground.  Shots rang out in the empty night, but he was too swift and the bullets only grazed him.  But then he heard a thud behind him, the bullets meant for him struck another.  His lupine lips curled in a sneer of frustration, one death could go unnoticed, two would be problematic.  He leaped up, bounding on top of the apartment buildings and rushing to the safety of his private plane waiting for him on the tarmac, he always returned, even if he was covered in blood.

George Zimmerman stood dumbstruck.  Who would believe him if he told the truth?  They would think him mad, MAD!  In the cold dark of the night the crushing burden of the awful truth fell upon him, he knew he would get no rest, he would never be safe again.

Were-Obama would find him.  Were-Obama would never forget.  On night in the dark, those red eyes would come calling for him.  Zimmerman wept.
 
2013-07-14 07:22:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.


Wow.. O'Mara's wife.... Kinda.... looks like him, actually.

Anyways, Molly West:
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 07:22:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Owangotang: He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally.

what did he do that was immoral?
How long should he have been beaten before he tried to stop it with more than yelling for his life?


He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.

Add in the fact that he lied about the money he had received from donors for his legal defense, the fact that he chose to give his interview to a right-wing talking head, and the fact that he stated "farking punks, they always get away with it" in regards to Trayvon despite having no way of knowing whether or not Trayvon was actually a thief...

Well, it all adds up to one loathsome individual. A rightfully not guilty due to lack of evidence, loathsome individual.
 
2013-07-14 07:28:27 PM

parasol: ununcle: The word has lost all meaning the last couple of decades for anyone with common sense.. Mainstream media legitimizing the constructs of "institutional racism" and "white privilege" has imbedded in the minds of a whole generation of blacks that ALL whites are racist. So what farking difference does it make? After this trial we may start hearing terms like "Hispanic privilege".


Pretty sure I heard "hispanic privilege" in the discussion over immigration reform already


Yea, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the hundreds of years slavery was legalized by a bunch of guys who said "all men are created equal" and then their Supreme Court that only gave them 3/5ths of human status, sold them like dogs and all other manner of nonsense to justify free labor. And even after a civil war and constitutional amendment, went on for another 100 years to basically do the same thing by allowing the states to trump up criminal charges on anyone without due process and then sell the labor of convicts to the highest so the local sheriff could profit. And on and on and on.

And I'm sure none of the feelings of the victims of this barbaric and evil treatment by those who professed a belief in God passed it on to their progeny, who in turn passed it on to their kids the same way all people keep a verbal record of (lore) family history when they don't know how to read and write because, guess what, dogs don't need to learn how to read and write.

So don't give me that bullshiat about the media inciting this. I can't hardly look at any comment board without some farking stupid racist babbling on about "the race card" in the most ignorant way. At the heart of this is fear coupled with an obstinate refusal to face the facts - chief among those is not everyone looks and thinks exactly like you. And who has put this idea in your head, was it not some form of media?

Media is just form of communication, blaming it is like blaming tongues and spreading propaganda that tongues are the cause of all bad things, while keeping a secret horde of garlic and other spices to yourself. It's farking stupid and everyone with a brain can see through the flimsy ass excuse.
 
2013-07-14 07:28:50 PM

Amos Quito: No apologies will be forthcoming.


Good. No one owes you or anyone else anything close to an apology for this.
 
2013-07-14 07:33:15 PM
The vigilante's will need blubber piercing bullets.
 
2013-07-14 07:33:26 PM

Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.


If you where there, why did you not testify for the Prosecution? Do you know what happened besides what had been provided in the evidence?
 
2013-07-14 07:35:13 PM

hardinparamedic: DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.

Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.


Jeebus, man! What farking part of the country do you live in, Candyland (where you can even eat the dishes)?! This is farking Sanford where if you see someone in an area they don't belong and looking suspicious, well, they are probably up to no good. That's just the way it is, dude. It must be incredibly nice that in your particular neighborhood you can have folks casing out places and ignore them and the fact that you ignored them means they'll simply go away. Sad as you might think this is, being pro-active and doing whatever you can to make hoodlums go away isn't a bad thing. It's too bad Martin wound up getting killed (rather than simply incapacitated) but he was up to no good and got caught and paid the consequences. Maybe Zimmerman should have pretty much done nothing after calling the cops who very likely wouldn't have arrived so fast, thus allowing Martin to continue casing the area before being caught and telling the cops he's an innocent angel. He could have come back in later weeks ot maybe just found another nighborhood to case, one without any sort of CrimeWatch patrol.

But then his folks wouldn't be millions richer with a settlement.

/why I bother, I don't know
 
2013-07-14 07:37:49 PM

Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight.


Point?

You do know assault and battery, are crimes, right?
http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/

When it didn't stop, and when no help came at his cries, he did what was legal and stopped the aggressor who initially broke the law.

Zimmerman wasn't a fighter; why do people keep insinuating there is something wrong with that?  Internet Tough Guy syndrome?  He was a fight ender though.  I think some people are just jealous, think it's "cheating", see some "honor" in fist fighting, it's just barbaric.
 
2013-07-14 07:38:25 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

[unitedstatespilatesassociation.com image 298x448]


Good god is that man lucky. He always seemed to exude a sense of content during the proceedings and I thought it was just sense of confidence in his percuit  for justice. Turns out he was most likely putting his face between those breast and going BRuBRuBRuBRuBaaahhhh every farking night.
 
2013-07-14 07:38:42 PM

Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 07:39:34 PM
If my quadrocopter flies over George and he looks into the camera, then I will  DEFINITELY fear for my life. I will have no choice but to take action to defend myself.

i651.photobucket.com

P.S., I can totally pass for white. If I wear my thick black-rimmed glasses and pick the right tie, they'll call me Mr. Whitey McWhite. Checkmate!

// LOL
// WTF!!11
</thatsthejoke>
 
2013-07-14 07:41:26 PM
Zimmerman will make a bundle suing the media for altering the 911 call, to make it sound like he was a racist and for altering photograph showing less blood/ wounds on his head. Doe's he have a case for suing the prosecutor for with holding evidence?
Here's a lil' salt for those wounds on the team trayvon. He's expected to get his pistol back from the police, but he could lose his CCW
 
2013-07-14 07:43:20 PM

omeganuepsilon:Point?

You do know assault and battery, are crimes, right?
http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/

When it didn't stop, and when no help came at his cries, he did what was legal and stopped the aggressor who initially broke the law.

Zimmerman wasn't a fighter; why do people keep insinuating there is something wrong with that?  Internet Tough Guy syndrome?  He was a fight ender though.  I think some people are just jealous, think it's "cheating", see some "honor" in fist fighting, it's just barbaric.


Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't. It has nothing to do with ITG syndrome and everything to do with irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon. He did not have to shoot Trayvon in the chest, he chose to.

Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 158x152]


Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.
 
2013-07-14 07:46:53 PM

Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.


I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.
 
2013-07-14 07:49:34 PM

Owangotang: Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't. It has nothing to do with ITG syndrome and everything to do with irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon. He did not have to shoot Trayvon in the chest, he chose to.


Oh for god sakes. I'm no fan of Zimmerman. I thought he was a complete moron for getting himself into the situation.

But the fact is this Trayvon was kicking his ass. Zimmerman feared for his life.  When you pull a farking gun you KILL your target.

This is the ONLY reason a gun is invented. To kill living things and destroy the target.

The real crime is this: Apparently you can aggravate the situation and SHOOT your way out of it.
 
2013-07-14 07:51:47 PM

Sagus: Doe's he have a case for suing the prosecutor for with holding evidence?


That's a big maybe.  They handed over the phone, but not the interpretation of the (hidden/deleted)data that was on it.

If there's a date for deletion after TM's death, I'm sure someone will take it up the ass for tampering with evidence, and if that date is after it was in evidence, surely the state will pay handsomely.

When they finally did get it, the judge wouldn't let it in, so there's another malpractice possibility.

We do know they had a hand in censoring Racheal Jeantel's facebook pages before she showed in the trial as well, though that's not the same as tampering, it would certainly have a bearing on communicating with a witness.

The dad(TM's) could be brought up on perjury charges, 2 more witnesses were ready to testify that wasn't what was said by him.  I doubt the state would prosecute though, as they've been on his side trying to protect him all along.  That's one interview the cops should have recorded for sure.
 
2013-07-14 07:52:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.


And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.
 
2013-07-14 07:53:18 PM

Popcorn Johnny: People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case

....

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 07:57:24 PM

Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it


I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.
 
2013-07-14 07:58:54 PM

Sofa_king_kewl: He was found not guilty,


Just like OJ was.
 
2013-07-14 08:01:10 PM

omeganuepsilon: That's a big maybe.  They handed over the phone, but not the interpretation of the (hidden/deleted)data that was on it.


Well, not so much of a maybe, there's a big chance of it according to:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html


Owangotang: Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't.


Irrelevant, GZ was not being a vigilante, he was performing self defense against assault and battery, and that's not punishable at all in even states that don't have what is colloquially known as SYG.

He tried everything within his power, the firearm was the last resort.  If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long, people can, and have, gotten away with self defense with much less damage to their person, as the law is intended.  Even a threat that a reasonable person would believe would suffice.

Just like the cop who shot the guy in the head who was holding a little girl hostage with a knife, letting her get away unscathed.  But yeah, that cop's a murderer, little girl should have toughed it out.  farking pussy!
 
2013-07-14 08:02:05 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


The majority of Americans believe in god without any evidence. Why shouldn't they believe Zimmerman is guilty?
 
2013-07-14 08:02:22 PM

flondrix: Sofa_king_kewl: He was found not guilty,

Just like OJ was.


No, OJ's defense was not attempting to legitimize actions with self defense.  OJ's case specifics are irrelevant here.
 
2013-07-14 08:02:55 PM

omeganuepsilon: If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 
2013-07-14 08:03:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: flondrix: Sofa_king_kewl: He was found not guilty,

Just like OJ was.

No, OJ's defense was not attempting to legitimize actions with self defense.  OJ's case specifics are irrelevant here.


Yea, OJ was an example of jury nullification. It wasn't like this one where they acquitted based on the evidence.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:30 PM

DoomPaul: He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him.


Sure they can.  They can even chase him down before using lethal force in "self defense", and they'll be acquitted.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:35 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


I'm not interested in convincing anyone that I am right, therefore I could not care less that I cannot prove this belief to you.
 
2013-07-14 08:05:21 PM
George Zimmerman: Noble champion of ineffectual losers everywhere!
 
2013-07-14 08:05:34 PM

Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.


Heh,,, Really? Now people are going with the "why didn't he go for the leg" angle? Maybe George didn't wanna risk hitting trademarks femoral artery and thought a lung shot was safer. Maybe,,, he was attempting to shoot Trademark in his pinky finger but trademarks hands where moving so fast he missed.
 
2013-07-14 08:06:16 PM

Owangotang: I'm not interested in convincing anyone that I am right, therefore I could not care less that I cannot prove this belief to you.


Then stop posting?
 
2013-07-14 08:07:16 PM

Carth: Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.

The majority of Americans believe in god without any evidence. Why shouldn't they believe Zimmerman is guilty?


Should/shouldn't always implies a context.  They shouldn't if they want to maintain as fair of a judicial system as is possible, as bad as ours is, it could always be worse.  They shouldn't if they want to further civil rights causes by being respectable and fact based arguers.

But they are unreasonable and don't seem to want those things, so they should do whatever they please with their free speech rights, as do many prejudice bigots.  And like those other bigots, they will pay the price of public chastisement when they speak their inanity aloud or commit it to some public forum.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:17 PM

Carth: The majority of Americans believe in god without any evidence. Why shouldn't they believe Zimmerman is guilty?


It's all starting to make sense now.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:20 PM

hardinparamedic: DerpHerder: This is why GZ was aquitted.

Yeah. You might want to understand what that means. Hint: There's a huge difference between the shooting being ruled justified, and an acquittal.

DerpHerder: You can argue all day that by leaving his car and following Martin GZ instigated the assualt, but the law doesn't support this claim.

I'm talking civil responsibility, not criminal. There are a lot of acts that while not criminal and even justifiable, can be held as civilly negligent.

DerpHerder: That is why the prosecution said GZ initiated the fight and was incontrol of the fight when he shot Martin. There was an eyewitness who reported Martin ontop of Zimmerman aswell so again you are just wrong in everything you said. What you believe has nothing to do with how the law is applied.

Neither being a handgun carry permit holder, nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did. You might want to take that into consideration when you start talking about a  civil trial versus a  criminal trial.


Wrong again. Aquitall is being found free of the charges leveed against a person. Justifiable shooting is an aquittal of the charges against him 2nd degree murder and manslaughter. He wasn't found guilty of a justifiable shooting. He isn't liable civilly on the state level, and the federal level isn't geared towards individual nongovernment actors.

Have fun with the butthurt.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. seem to deal with it somehow.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:54 PM

Owangotang: Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.

And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.


You can imagine with all your heart, and wish on the wishing tree, and clap your hands if you believe... but it won't change the verdict, and it won't change that all the evidence points to you just being really really dumb.
 
2013-07-14 08:08:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


There was never any question that he did it.  Zimmerman never denied shooting Martin.
 
2013-07-14 08:08:58 PM

Owangotang: tenpoundsofcheese: Owangotang: He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally.

what did he do that was immoral?
How long should he have been beaten before he tried to stop it with more than yelling for his life?

He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight.


He was losing a fight because no matter how much he was screaming to have it stopped, Martin just kept bashing him.

 No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal.
 

How do you know where exactly he was aiming?
Or even whether or not he had any time or capability to aim. "Ok, that was the second head bash.  Let me now quietly compose myself and take aim"  Yeah, that is what he was able to do.

Besides, someone else pointed out that about 5% of the people who are shot actually die.

 Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.

I have no idea what that sentence is trying to say.  You have no idea where his hands were at any given point.

Add in the fact that he lied about the money he had received from donors for his legal defense,

You are lying about that.
His wife was the one that talked to the court, not him.

You still haven't made any case for what was immoral.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:02 PM

flondrix: Popcorn Johnny: I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. seem to deal with it somehow.


Yeah, I tend to find them all pretty equally stupid as well, so they're at least on the same level.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:39 PM

Owangotang: Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.

And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.


I refuse to believe someone who keeps lying about what George said about his financial situation.
Bye bye!
 
2013-07-14 08:11:58 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

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Summon her to my chambers.
 
2013-07-14 08:12:11 PM
Whiskey Pete: omeganuepsilon: If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


If anyone is....

IF anyone is....

IF anyone is...

You may want to scoot along to bed, Junior, streetlights come on in 26 minutes.
 
2013-07-14 08:13:29 PM

omeganuepsilon: Whiskey Pete: omeganuepsilon: If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If anyone is....

IF anyone is....

IF anyone is...

You may want to scoot along to bed, Junior, streetlights come on in 26 minutes.


Awwww. You tried to be funny! Tried.
 
2013-07-14 08:13:43 PM
Lol at all the Zimmerman fluffers citing the "evidence" as the reason for his acquittal.  It has much more to do with Florida's mind-numbingly insane self-defense laws which place the burden of proof on the state to show that self defense didn't occur.  In practically every other state and country with a self defense statute, self-defense is an affirmative defense, where the burden lies on the defendant to show that he or she acted in self-defense.

This ruling has basically given the greenlight to every yahoo in Florida to shoot someone in private and claim they "were in fear for their life."  Protip:   I would not try that while being black.