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2013-07-15 12:20:02 AM

MelGoesOnTour: cegorach: So one day soon, a large black man is going to spot Zimmerman on the street at night, follow him, then get right up in his face, acting aggressively.

Zimmerman's hand moves near his jacket, black guy shoots him dead.

Given it's common knowledge Zimmerman carries a weapon and has used it to kill, twitching so much as finger towards a carry location is enough justification to put the black gentlemen in fear of death or serious bodily harm.

He then walks a free man following a fair and equal trial.

That's how this will play out, right?

In other news, America is a nation sickeningly addicted to firearms. Seek help.

You live in Australia. Trust me, the rest of the world is glad to not have to deal with you inbred criminal types.


Actually the rest of the world prefers us to you obese, aggressive, torture-happy gun-worshippers with your sad hypocritical whining about your holy founding fathers and their FREEDOMZ.

Except for third world warlords, they think you guys are cool in a 'why do these idiots keep giving us money to kill people oh well' kind of way.
 
2013-07-15 12:20:02 AM

cegorach: So one day soon, a large black man is going to spot Zimmerman on the street at night, follow him, then get right up in his face, acting aggressively.

Zimmerman's hand moves near his jacket, black guy shoots him dead.

Given it's common knowledge Zimmerman carries a weapon and has used it to kill, twitching so much as finger towards a carry location is enough justification to put the black gentlemen in fear of death or serious bodily harm.

He then walks a free man following a fair and equal trial.

That's how this will play out, right?

In other news, America is a nation sickeningly addicted to firearms. Seek help.


Dude,,, What,,, is the blacks on blonde website down tonight?
 
2013-07-15 12:33:58 AM

Taylor Mental: Amos Quito: Taylor Mental: For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see.

IS THAT SO?

Then why, pray tell, are all of the race-baiters (including Oblama) continuing to harp even after Zimmerman AND the Sanford PD and prosecutors were EXONERATED with that pesky "NOT GUILTY" verdict???

Taylor Mental: As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.


Sadly, the same can be said for "Baby Tray": Live like a thug, die from a slug.

Following this tragic event, I would hope that *some folks* will think twice before going ape-shiat on what *appears* to be a "soft target".

One can dream, no?

Grow the fark up. You and your circle jerk crowd have been nothing but a bunch of incessant pain in the asses since this trial started.



And here I thought you'd embraced logic, rationality and reason the other night. What a disappointment you turned out to be.

I guess I should learn to lower my expectations.


Taylor Mental:Injecting Obama, how freaking stupid can you be?

Injecting Obama? Me?

The Race-Baiter In Chief threw HIMSELF into the melee when he made that intentionally LOADED comment: "If I had a son..."

This whole issue has little to do with GZ, TM, or what happened that night, and EVERYTHING to do with asshat RACE BAITERS like Sharpton, Jackson AND OBAMA trying to stir up interracial strife for political advantage: DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Don't you get it?

There were +- 6,000 murders last year, about 10% were interracial, and as always, blacks murdered whites at TWICE the rate that whites murdered blacks.

Is this issue REALLY about the drama that unfolded one rainy evening in Florida when two idiots met and destroyed each other lives?

Or is this about social engineering -intentionally creating strife, division, hatred and distrust between different segments of the population?

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." Who said that? ABRAHAM FARKING LINCOLN - and he was right.

Your race-baiting boys are doing all they can to create division and strife - to DIVIDE THE PEOPLE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. Why? Because idiots who are distracted by infighting amongst themselves are OBLIVIOUS to the REAL ENEMY - bastards that want to destroy the middle class, and turn this into a feudal society.

Now, I realize that all this is WAY over your thick little head at the moment, but one day that 5 watt bulb nestled deep within your skull will finally light up, and you will have a classic Aha! moment.

Not that it will do any good at that point, because by then the only "freedom" you have will be to say "yes master", and the only possessions you own will be your shackles and leg-irons.

You're being played for a fool. Does that mean you deserve the government you get?

Have a nice day.
 
2013-07-15 12:41:51 AM

Confusean: Iowan73: Confusean: phenn: Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.

We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.

Which was more stupid, following someone or attacking someone for following?
I wonder how many people in New York are followed by another person while walking a day.......So while i'm taking notes on the new world order, I'm white so I can't walk behind a black person, I cant say I'm not for Obamacare, and I can't even vote for a republican or i'm a racist, right?

I said he was partially responsible. Reading comprehension is not your thing.

I don't know if you're a racist or not, but you're clearly an idiot.

Oh I comprehend your comment just fine AH. I fully understand your opinion. I don't share the same opinion, and because of that you call me names. childish and the easy out.


The point I was making was while I don't think Zimmerman should have been convicted of murder, the whole situation could easily have been avoided. He didn't have to follow Martin, he chose to. He is partially responsible for what happened. Rather than respond to my point, you made it about whose actions were worse. You made it all about being against Obamacare and being a racist and a bunch of other meaningless derp. So, yeah, you're still an idiot.
 
2013-07-15 12:44:18 AM

ununcle: Taylor Mental: Taylor Mental:ununcle: Ahh,, The last bastion of the intellectual coward. Attach a "-phobia" or "-ism" to the offending idealism.

Racism is not an "idealism," it's just plain misanthropia. There, I didn't use an -ism or -phobia to describe hate. Happy now?

I should think it would depend upon ones ideals. But I think a true racist by definition couldn't be a misanthropist (is that a word?) as he would hate everyone of all races equally. I on the other hand hate no one. Although, I can't say I like you very much. But I am happy regardless.


Yes, hating people is misanthropic. Arguing over the semantics doesn't really help your case. And hating everyone equally does not support even one of your previous statements.
 
2013-07-15 12:52:16 AM

Amos Quito: Taylor Mental: Amos Quito: Taylor Mental: For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see.

IS THAT SO?

Then why, pray tell, are all of the race-baiters (including Oblama) continuing to harp even after Zimmerman AND the Sanford PD and prosecutors were EXONERATED with that pesky "NOT GUILTY" verdict???

Taylor Mental: As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.


Sadly, the same can be said for "Baby Tray": Live like a thug, die from a slug.

Following this tragic event, I would hope that *some folks* will think twice before going ape-shiat on what *appears* to be a "soft target".

One can dream, no?

Grow the fark up. You and your circle jerk crowd have been nothing but a bunch of incessant pain in the asses since this trial started.


And here I thought you'd embraced logic, rationality and reason the other night. What a disappointment you turned out to be.

I guess I should learn to lower my expectations.


Taylor Mental:Injecting Obama, how freaking stupid can you be?

Injecting Obama? Me?

The Race-Baiter In Chief threw HIMSELF into the melee when he made that intentionally LOADED comment: "If I had a son..."

This whole issue has little to do with GZ, TM, or what happened that night, and EVERYTHING to do with asshat RACE BAITERS like Sharpton, Jackson AND OBAMA trying to stir up interracial strife for political advantage: DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Don't you get it?

There were +- 6,000 murders last year, about 10% were interracial, and as always, blacks murdered whites at TWICE the rate that whites murdered blacks.

Is this issue REALLY about the drama that unfolded one rainy evening in Florida when two idiots met and destroyed each other lives?

Or is this about social engineering -intentionally creating strife, division, hatred and distrust between different segments of the population?

"A house ...


As an aside, do you dislike blacks or jews more?

I know, I know, of course you don't dislike either, you're just opening the eyes of the sheeple...

....but if you had to choose?

Go on, tell me.
 
2013-07-15 01:00:16 AM

cegorach: As an aside, do you dislike blacks or jews more?


More than what?
 
2013-07-15 01:02:41 AM

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?

The kid was walking down the street being black.

I once took this call when I was an emergency dispatcher. The call went something like this:
"Bel-Air Patrol, what's your emergency?"
"There's a black man walking down Beverly Blvd., and I want you to send someone!"
".....Okay. What's he doing?"
"He's walking down the sidewalk! How soon can your officer be here?"
"Uh.....Is he in your yard?"
"No! He's just walking down the street!"
"Is he trash picking?" (something we'd been having trouble with at that time)
"No!"
"Okay, how is he dressed?"
"He's wearing jeans and a t-shirt! I want an officer here right away!"
"Um, all right, I'll let the officer in the area know. Did you want contact?"
"No! Just get someone here right away!" (click)

If my caller had been a Hispanic wannabe cop instead of a piss-ass white suburbanite, he might have gone out and confronted the black man walking down Beverly Blvd., but luckily, he didn't; and I did not notify my guard in the area, who also, IIRC was black.

Zimmerman thought it was sufficiently suspicious that a black person would be in his neighborhood at that hour and he wanted (instead of my caller) to do something about this black person, rather than calling the cops who would stop Martin, find out he was just looking for his girlfriend and let him go. Zimmerman wanted to be Charles Bronson in "Death Wish" + Dirty Harry; and if Martin really had been the badass thug everyone seems to think he was, Zimmerman would have been deader than shiat when Martin pulled out his own gun and capped his ass. Instead, Zimmerman got the ass-whipping he so richly deserved, and probably really was in genuine fear of his life when he fired.

Now if Martin had been a little LESS of a thug, he would have just stopped when confronted by Zimmerman, told his dim-witted girlfriend to call the cops herself, and waited for them to show up; but he was a kid and playing his own game of quien es mas macho; sadly, he lost. There are no winners in this scenario.


This right here. Exactly right.
 
2013-07-15 01:06:28 AM

Amos Quito: There were +- 6,000 murders last year, about 10% were interracial, and as always, blacks murdered whites at TWICE the rate that whites murdered blacks.

Is this issue REALLY about the drama that unfolded one rainy evening in Florida when two idiots met and destroyed each other lives?

Or is this about social engineering -intentionally creating strife, division, hatred and distrust between different segments of the population?

"A house ...


So whites write a piece of paper saying all men are created equal and go on to do the exact opposite and your whining about we're not doing what they said by opposing every citizen having an assault rifle?

Don't you see the absurdity of your proposition? You're arguing that blacks, as descendants of slaves and all the other inequitable treatment they've suffered through the history of this country, should just forget it, while letting YOU argue that everything should just be exactly as it was when the Framers of the Constitution wrote that document.

The absurdity of this premise is nothing less than bizarre.

The fact is Jefferson and the others knew it was wrong and admitted it. But the state of the country at that time was such they just couldn't figure out a way to raise the money to send the nubians back to Africa with compensation to buy a piece of land, and all the implements to set them up as self-independent. Not to mention all the other difficulties incurred with dumping a horde vagabonds on the shores of some sovereign country.

So, we're stuck with it. Learn to live it. If you're so bootstrappy do what Zimmerman did and go mentor an African American kid. But forgot sakes stop your farking whining. Or admit straightup you're a racist like anyone with balls would do.
 
2013-07-15 01:11:54 AM

Amos Quito: cegorach: As an aside, do you dislike blacks or jews more?

More than what?


That bad huh?
 
2013-07-15 01:25:24 AM

Taylor Mental: ununcle: Taylor Mental: Taylor Mental:ununcle: Ahh,, The last bastion of the intellectual coward. Attach a "-phobia" or "-ism" to the offending idealism.

Racism is not an "idealism," it's just plain misanthropia. There, I didn't use an -ism or -phobia to describe hate. Happy now?

I should think it would depend upon ones ideals. But I think a true racist by definition couldn't be a misanthropist (is that a word?) as he would hate everyone of all races equally. I on the other hand hate no one. Although, I can't say I like you very much. But I am happy regardless.

Yes, hating people is misanthropic. Arguing over the semantics doesn't really help your case. And hating everyone equally does not support even one of your previous statements.


Let's just say that a misanthrope hates or distrusts humankind for argument purposes. Now,, if I just hate you, but I actually love,, say, Tyrone, or Shaniqua with all my heart,  but,  I just hate you're guts because you have offensive earlobes.  I'm not really being misanthropic. I'm kinda being Earlobaphobic at that point. But If I was to hate Tyrone or Shaniqua because,,, well ya know, it's farking tyron and Shaniqua and I hate all Tyrone's and Shaniquas,, well that's racist. Do you see? I would have to hate both Tyrone, Shaniqua, and your ridiculous earlobes to be misanthropic and I haven't even seen your farking ears.
 
2013-07-15 01:39:01 AM
I would donate to a fund to protect him. I would only hope that they would shoot more wanna be thugs.
 
2013-07-15 01:39:18 AM

ununcle: Let's just say that a misanthrope hates or distrusts humankind for argument purposes. Now,, if I just hate you, but I actually love,, say, Tyrone, or Shaniqua with all my heart,  but,  I just hate you're guts because you have offensive earlobes.  I'm not really being misanthropic. I'm kinda being Earlobaphobic at that point. But If I was to hate Tyrone or Shaniqua because,,, well ya know, it's farking tyron and Shaniqua and I hate all Tyrone's and Shaniquas,, well that's racist. Do you see? I would have to hate both Tyrone, Shaniqua, and your ridiculous earlobes to be misanthropic and I haven't even seen your farking ears.


Yes, but 99% of the world's people would still call you a douchebag. Like it or not your views are provincial. Much like North Korea or any of the states we brand as supporting terrorists, you're isolated in your "ideology" of hate and segregation. You lost the last war you started and you've been sucking off resources from your master since the day you surrendered. At what point will you just let your people prosper?
 
2013-07-15 01:41:42 AM

Iowan73: The point I was making was while I don't think Zimmerman should have been convicted of murder, the whole situation could easily have been avoided. He didn't have to follow Martin, he chose to. He is partially responsible for what happened.


TM could have been aborted, or not kicked out of school.  The guy at 7-11 checked him out WAAAAAY to fast.  GZ was running 2 minutes late on his way to Target.

No.  None of them or getting out of his car either.  None of these things have known risk factors.

That hindsight game is flawed, given that it's 20/20, is retarded.  You could cite one of a million things and they've all got the same relevance.  GZ got out, began following.  Not illegal, or even risky since te thought TM had run, Rachel even corroborates that he did run for a moment, she even claimed that TM said he'd lost him. She also relayed TM's reluctance to run, btw, despite her urging.  Even Rachel wasn't that stupid, and that's saying a LOT.

Her testimony, while problematic at times for the defense, also made it clear that TM decided he wouldn't run far, indeed, he stopped very shortly after he lost GZ, and lurked for 4 minutes or so.

GZ walked into what ended up being a trap.  You can't fault GZ for walking in the neighborhood he lived in any more than you can blame TM.  TM however, began and continued a physical altercation, given the evidence of the injuries, without any credible provocation.  Look up the laws on (nonviolent)provocation, they're pretty tough to bring into play.  Merely following someone on a dark evening wouldn't fly in any courtroom, and imagining that GZ had set out with murderous intent requires a lot of creativity.

All that being said, that's what they mean when they say GZ had a legal right to be there, that's how it's codified in the laws.  He was accosted with violence in a place he had a right to be, carry what he was carrying, and doing what he was doing.

You can fault him on some moral level, judge him for being stupid, whatever, but he was not criminally culpable, and that's what the jury rightly ruled in fairly short deliberations.  I too feel that stupid people should be controlled or punished at times, but it's a fanciful notion and nothing more, of course it would be cruel and unusual.

That is the true liberal society.  Sometimes stupid walks into violent, and as it happens, stupid won out in this case.  There is no real demonstrable wrong doing except on the part of the violent party. The guy who was attempting to violate another's rights forfeited his life by the existance of a firearm, society's great equalizer(why do you think TM was trying to buy one of his own? give you a matter of weeks if he'd gotten one until he was another statistical criminal who really did shoot someone out of spite).

Regardless of your sadness, Darwin wins, and so does justice.  It's not survival of the fittest anymore, it's survival of the smartest.  GZ knew his limits and ensured he wouldn't be a victim by getting a CCW, and as it turned out, for him it was a great idea.   No Limit N....Treyvon didn't know his limits, quite obviously thought he didn't have any, and paid the price.

This puts me in mind of all of the anti-bullying movement, that died out pretty quick after this trial really hit the news.  Was it Chicago where a few punks beat the shiat out of someone and no one intervened or called the cops in time not long ago?  Wherever, violence is something this country has always had a problem with, specifically because No Limit N...people, think they can get away with being violent assholes.

That's the tragedy here, that's the sickness in this case, society's passive permissive behavior, the way we overlook our own flaws and those of our youth.  It's pretty farking disgusting really.  The kid who shot up the theater, precious snowflake that he was his mother let him have access to guns, she paid the ultimate price herself for being monumentally stupid, but Darwin may still win because the kid will probably rot in prison until the inmates kill him.

That is the problem, far and above racism or homophobia in this country, the sickening lack of parenting ability in this country.  The entitled and immortal youth that we more or less ignore because we're sick of their shiat. Hell, most adults don't see it because they're spoiled and entitled themselves, they just wonder, "why me?" when shiat goes wrong, and then rationalize it away as someone elses fault.

You know that's what TM's parent's are still doing.  They certainly can't admit anymore that they thought it was just a fight that got out of hand(and the mother did at first, with a stately sorrow, until she was told otherwise by that racist Crump).  Now, when the jury finds GZ not guilty because her son was a punk, THIS is the darkest hour, not when her son actually died because he was a punk, now it's all furious anger and vengeance. And father perjury who also had to recant something he said, whipped into a frenzy by the race baiting family lawyer.  farking disgusting, no wonder he was a farked up kid with a boat-load of criminal tendencies, he was raised by gullible assholes.

It's not genetic, but it can sure run along family lines in that sense, this is a problem that spans all races and cultures.  It only takes a couple of idiots to create a whole lot more, until it gets so bad Darwin absolutely has to put his foot down.

Anyhow, yeah.  Be sad that a kid died, I am myself, but you're not helping by trying to pin it on the sword he fell on, you should blame the society that turned a blind eye to such bad behavior.  The only way to fix our problems is to face the (figurative)demon's themselves. Not bury our head in the sand and pretend it's all the fault of the one man who was worried about his neighborhood.

Coorelation =\= Causation.

Cause and Effect, GZ did what he did because he was attacked.  He was attacked because TM was the poster child for a very poorly raised near adult who was destined for trouble.  If it wasn't GZ, it would have been something else making that boy a statistic, he'd been on that path for a long while.  The uncovered texts on his phone someone actually warned him to stop fighting[as it was a lifestyle thing].  How prophetic was that?
 
2013-07-15 01:48:06 AM

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Really? I've never seen so much "i know you are but what am i" sophistry. Nice jorb.
 
2013-07-15 02:10:59 AM
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2013-07-15 02:14:21 AM
iq_in_binary:
The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.


You also sound like you've never trained in MMA or BJJ. Or if you have, your school has no halfway-decent young fighters.
 
2013-07-15 02:20:39 AM

Taylor Mental: ununcle: Let's just say that a misanthrope hates or distrusts humankind for argument purposes. Now,, if I just hate you, but I actually love,, say, Tyrone, or Shaniqua with all my heart,  but,  I just hate you're guts because you have offensive earlobes.  I'm not really being misanthropic. I'm kinda being Earlobaphobic at that point. But If I was to hate Tyrone or Shaniqua because,,, well ya know, it's farking tyron and Shaniqua and I hate all Tyrone's and Shaniquas,, well that's racist. Do you see? I would have to hate both Tyrone, Shaniqua, and your ridiculous earlobes to be misanthropic and I haven't even seen your farking ears.

Yes, but 99% of the world's people would still call you a douchebag. Like it or not your views are provincial. Much like North Korea or any of the states we brand as supporting terrorists, you're isolated in your "ideology" of hate and segregation. You lost the last war you started and you've been sucking off resources from your master since the day you surrendered. At what point will you just let your people prosper?


Well then the majority of the world are douchebags. That's nothing new.  They live in squalor and they eat each other. Look at a map, and read some farkin history. I didn't start no last war and Korea has nothing to do with segregation.  But,, if you wanna talk about Asia, Japan is pretty segregated and last I heard there were no Brown people chopping them up in the streets like in London. I will let "my" people prosper when it doesn't have to be at the expense of letting another people get a foot up in life because they're another race. Your right,, it's provincial . Now go back to your province or I'll go back to mine and we'll be fine. But don't tell me we have to share the same one.
 
2013-07-15 02:31:19 AM

ununcle: Well then the majority of the world are douchebags. That's nothing new.  They live in squalor and they eat each other. Look at a map, and read some farkin history. I didn't start no last war and Korea has nothing to do with segregation.  But,, if you wanna talk about Asia, Japan is pretty segregated and last I heard there were no Brown people chopping them up in the streets like in London. I will let "my" people prosper when it doesn't have to be at the expense of letting another people get a foot up in life because they're another race. Your right,, it's provincial . Now go back to your province or I'll go back to mine and we'll be fine. But don't tell me we have to share the same one.


Hey man, you don't have to make excuses for being a racist. Just come out and admit it. Stand up, be proud, let that skin head shine like a city on the hill. This is Amurka after all.
 
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2013-07-15 02:42:53 AM
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2013-07-15 02:59:16 AM

This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.


He can always put any he has in a trust which can't be touched like OJ did.
 
2013-07-15 02:59:25 AM

Taylor Mental: ununcle: Well then the majority of the world are douchebags. That's nothing new.  They live in squalor and they eat each other. Look at a map, and read some farkin history. I didn't start no last war and Korea has nothing to do with segregation.  But,, if you wanna talk about Asia, Japan is pretty segregated and last I heard there were no Brown people chopping them up in the streets like in London. I will let "my" people prosper when it doesn't have to be at the expense of letting another people get a foot up in life because they're another race. Your right,, it's provincial . Now go back to your province or I'll go back to mine and we'll be fine. But don't tell me we have to share the same one.

Hey man, you don't have to make excuses for being a racist. Just come out and admit it. Stand up, be proud, let that skin head shine like a city on the hill. This is Amurka after all.


I would say the same thing to Trademark if he were here today.

/takes off hat
/bows head
/chuckles
 
2013-07-15 03:44:28 AM

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The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell.  Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker.  Zimmerman saw no crime in progress.  He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

The two cases are not comparable.

Except, in the latter case you mention, "Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death," is not applicable, by law.
Deal with it.

Exactly. He didn't invite Treyvon Martin to beat his ass just by the simple act of following him. Whoever threw the first punch was ultimately at fault for escalating the confrontation.

If, as a 17 year old, I was being followed through my neighborhood by someone I didn't recognize with an unknown intent, I might have felt threatened, and I might have thrown a punch or tried to disable my pursuer in order to get away.

I am aware of no legal jurisdiction wherein being followed is in itself legal justification for use of force.


Good to know.  I will immediately begin following attractive 17 year old girls around and chasing after them when they run away.  I expect there should be no consequences whatsoever.
 
2013-07-15 04:40:38 AM
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Lookin' for a woman who needs a worried man...
 
2013-07-15 05:46:02 AM
We should all start following people at night whilst carrying guns. If the people we follow object physically, we can just kill them!

What a win for justice!

Lets examine your prejudice, you should see all these sentences the same. If you do not then that is where you are prejudiced. In all cases the person being followed confronts the follower.

If a man were to follow a woman and she confronted him physically, is he right to kill them?
If a black man were to follow a white woman and she confronted him physically, is he right to kill them?
If a white man were to follow a black woman and she confronted him physically, is he right to kill them?
If a woman were to follow a man and he confronted her physically, is she right to kill them?
If a white woman were to follow a black man and he confronted her physically, is she right to kill them?
If a black woman were to follow a white man and he confronted her physically, is she right to kill them?
If a woman were to follow a woman and she confronted her physically, is she right to kill them?
If a black woman were to follow a white woman and she confronted her physically, is she right to kill them?
If a white woman were to follow a black woman and she confronted her physically, is she right to kill them?

If a man were to follow a man and he confronted him physically, is he right to kill them?
If a black man were to follow a white man and he confronted him physically, is he right to kill them?

If a white man were to follow a black man and he confronted him physically, is he right to kill them?

Obvoiusly the answer is no, the follower should not be following in the first place and all the situations are the same. It`s like stalking and who likes that?

But really people, look in your heart and see the different way you feel when you read the above sentences to yourself. That is your prejudice, be it in favour of or against men or women, black or white (I would make it not so black and white but this post is too long already)
 
2013-07-15 06:49:13 AM

ununcle: Hey man, you don't have to make excuses for being a racist. Just come out and admit it. Stand up, be proud, let that skin head shine like a city on the hill. This is Amurka after all.

I would say the same thing to Trademark if he were here today.

/takes off hat
/bows head
/chuckles


if he were here he'd teach a thing or two about the correct usage of a slashie

/10 years later no idea what it means
 
2013-07-15 07:50:14 AM

FloydA: TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.


Sadly, I suspect we already know.


Since black people are statistically more likely to commit violent offenses than any other race in the USA, I think we do already know what will happen.
 
2013-07-15 07:54:22 AM
Stile4aly:
If, as a 17 year old, I was being followed through my neighborhood by someone I didn't recognize with an unknown intent, I might have felt threatened, and I might have thrown a punch or tried to disable my pursuer in order to get away.

Would you have first gone home and then come back out looking for the person with the unknown intent?  Unless the answer is yes, the rest of what you wrote is meaningless.
 
2013-07-15 08:00:03 AM
LL316: Since black people are statistically more likely to commit violent offenses than any other race in the USA, I think we do already know what will happen.

I'm curious, Mr. Stat Man, why do you suppose that is?
 
2013-07-15 08:09:38 AM
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

Mark Twain
 
2013-07-15 08:11:51 AM
Looks like Twain didn't actually say that, but the point still stands.
 
2013-07-15 08:14:10 AM
We're hating the guy who was legally found "not guilty" and we're rooting for his attempted murderer.  Trial by media is pure awesome.
 
2013-07-15 08:19:15 AM

PsiChick: Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the  police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.


Ding. This.

I went from thinking Z. was a murderer to seeing that there clearly was not enough evidence to meet the standard for murder in a trial and the trial was a waste of time.  I have never wavered, however, on my belief that Z. is a moron and that if he made better choices he never would have been on trial in the first place.

I have no sympathy for him and will not shed a tear or give a single fark that he has to live his life in fear.  As I have said many times, I also have a concealed weapon permit, I was taught you don't go seeking out trouble, you call 911 and let the cops deal with it, even if that wasn't taught in my CCW class, it's common sense.  You will hear the common phrase better to be judged by 12* than carried by 6, well I add, better to go home than to even be judged by 12.  (6 in florida.)
 
2013-07-15 09:07:32 AM

manimal2878: PsiChick: Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the  police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.

Ding. This.

I went from thinking Z. was a murderer to seeing that there clearly was not enough evidence to meet the standard for murder in a trial and the trial was a waste of time.  I have never wavered, however, on my belief that Z. is a moron and that if he made better choices he never would have been on trial in the first place.

I have no sympathy for him and will not shed a tear or give a single fark that he has to live his life in fear.  As I have said many times, I also have a concealed weapon permit, I was taught you don't go seeking out trouble, you call 911 and let the cops deal with it, even if that wasn't taught in my CCW class, it's common sense.  You will hear the common phrase better to be judged by 12* than carried by 6, well I add, better to go home than to even be judged by 12.  (6 in florida.)


Agreed. When I took my CCW test in Oregon, they handed me the test. I asked if there was a book to study first. The sheriff said nope, just common sense. If you don't have common sense we don't want you caring, you're allowed to miss two, Good luck.
 
2013-07-15 09:09:22 AM

Sagus: manimal2878: PsiChick: Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the  police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.

Ding. This.

I went from thinking Z. was a murderer to seeing that there clearly was not enough evidence to meet the standard for murder in a trial and the trial was a waste of time.  I have never wavered, however, on my belief that Z. is a moron and that if he made better choices he never would have been on trial in the first place.

I have no sympathy for him and will not shed a tear or give a single fark that he has to live his life in fear.  As I have said many times, I also have a concealed weapon permit, I was taught you don't go seeking out trouble, you call 911 and let the cops deal with it, even if that wasn't taught in my CCW class, it's common sense.  You will hear the common phrase better to be judged by 12* than carried by 6, well I add, better to go home than to even be judged by 12.  (6 in florida.)

Agreed. When I took my CCW test in Oregon, they handed me the test. I asked if there was a book to study first. The sheriff said nope, just common sense. If you don't have common sense we don't want you caring, you're allowed to miss two, Good luck.


Damn it, should be carrying
 
2013-07-15 09:15:45 AM

rewind2846: DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.


Hahahahaha!!! Most of the people I know who wherethemost fired up about this have moved on cause Dancing with the Stars starts up again soon
 
2013-07-15 09:19:38 AM

Oh_Enough_Already: So now that this trial is over, will most Farkers go back to not giving a shiat about the dozens of black teens killed every day in America?


Yeah but that is black on black violence so it doesn't matter. Also those victims don't have bags of skittles either. When a hispanic man kills a black teen, THEN it is time to call him white and make it all about race and get angry.
 
2013-07-15 09:29:18 AM

dready zim: Obvoiusly the answer is no


Only because you leave out the ground and pound that qualified this case for justified use of force.

If sexes and colors are the only differences, then the answers are all yes. Anyone one who is victimized and placed within fear of life and limb, as a rational person would be due to violence visited upon them, can use self defense.

Get off your cross.
 
2013-07-15 09:50:10 AM
"If you're black, you might as well not show up on the street, unless you wanna draw the heat."

- Bob Dylan, Hurricane, 1975.

/same as it ever was.
 
2013-07-15 09:51:08 AM

astouffer: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

I'm not stupid enough to follow around "suspicious" youths pretending to be a rent a cop. Zimmerman was in the wrong for starting the confrontation.

Using your logic can I pick a fight with a random person on the street and then shoot them when they start winning the fight. Never mind that I started the fight. Because that is pretty much what happened.


Not saying that it's right. But it certainly seems like you can but certainly not without looking like a total pussy.
 
2013-07-15 09:52:18 AM
Also, I love how people in here are pointing to pictures of Martin smoking weed and taking a picture of a gun, saying "see, he's a criminal!"

There's a good reason character evidence like that is inadmissible at trial.
 
2013-07-15 09:57:36 AM
According to the J4T crowd, the next time someone cuts me of in traffic I have a right to beat the crap out of them at the next light and they have no right to defend themselves.
They don't realize that GZ's following TM amounts to the same thing as cutting someone off, or flipping the bird. It's wrong, but not criminal. If you take enough offense to that action and retaliate with violence, you are the one that crosses the line into criminality. Fights in the real world do not follow the Marquess of Queensbury rules, so they should be avoided. Ask yourself: Who had the last chance to avoid the confrontation?
 
2013-07-15 09:58:59 AM

iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.


His ability to assess a threat then draw his pistol is really out of shape. No wonder he didn't make it on to the police force. Not defending! Merely observing.
 
2013-07-15 10:03:13 AM

manimal2878: I went from thinking Z. was a murderer to seeing that there clearly was not enough evidence to meet the standard for murder in a trial and the trial was a waste of time.  I have never wavered, however, on my belief that Z. is a moron and that if he made better choices he never would have been on trial in the first place.

I have no sympathy for him and will not shed a tear or give a single fark that he has to live his life in fear.  As I have said many times, I also have a concealed weapon permit, I was taught you don't go seeking out trouble, you call 911 and let the cops deal with it, even if that wasn't taught in my CCW class, it's common sense.  You will hear the common phrase better to be judged by 12* than carried by 6, well I add, better to go home than to even be judged by 12.  (6 in florida


You speak sooth. Maybe there were violations of law that weren't pursued.  The problem here isn't the with the jury or the verdict.  What I would rather see come out of this is that Zimmerman recognize he is racist in his thinking, reform and go forward on a new path.
 
2013-07-15 10:10:25 AM

Chummer45: Also, I love how people in here are pointing to pictures of Martin smoking weed and taking a picture of a gun, saying "see, he's a criminal!"

There's a good reason character evidence like that is inadmissible at trial.


And the plethora of texts that were withheld from the defense at the beginning of discovery.
The judge having ruled them inadmissable mid-trial when the defense finally got them does not mean such things are inadmissable ever.  The circumstances are pretty indicative of a judge bent on aiding the prosecution at every corner.

In a self defense case, the supposed "victim" is very much on trial when there exist claims and evidence that he started it with violence, it's even stated within some laws about justification of use during a felony upon one's self.
 
2013-07-15 10:15:58 AM

Taylor Mental: Grow the fark up. You and your circle jerk crowd have been nothing but a bunch of incessant pain in the asses since this trial started. Injecting Obama, how freaking stupid can you be?


To be perfectly fair, Obama injected himself into this one.
 
2013-07-15 10:54:43 AM

DoomPaul: Semantic Warrior: SevenizGud: sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
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Yeah, because the dispatcher told him not to follow, therefore Zimmerman never has any right to stand his ground...even if Martin assaults him in the Arby's parking lot a month later. Because he's waived his right to stand his ground against Martin, amirite?

But hey, I am sure you know more about the law than the judge.
A month later isn't the same as minutes later.  You're saying I can stalk you from my vehicle while you're walking on foot, get out and confront you, saying only-god-knows what to pick a fight, then shoot you and say self defense?  Zimmerman put himself in harms way, even if Martin got the upper hand in a fight, there wasn't an immediate threat to life until Zimmerman caused it.

Do you honestly agree with defense tactic of saying Martin wasn't unarmed because of cement? I That's like saying those killed at Kent State weren't unarmed because there was pavement around them.  The kids killed at Columbine H.S. weren't unarmed because of hard tile floors, and metal lockers, and chairs and desks... 
The people at the federal building in OKC when McVeigh bombed it, the people in the WTC, they weren't unarmed! There was so much cement in those buildings!

A legal action does not call for an illegal response. The prosecution itself said Zimmerman following Trayvon was not illegal nor has any evidence been presented to indicate that he started the fight. If you have this evidence you should have contacted the prosecution while the investigation and case were on-going.


Look, I understand in criminal trials that burden of proof falls on the prosecution, not the defendant.  However, in stand-your-ground cases, there should be some responsibility of proof on the defendant.  What stops me from verbally inviting someone into my house and then shooting them, claiming they intruded?  Hell, what stops me from shooting a random pedestrian on a deserted street and then claiming that they attacked me?
 
2013-07-15 11:01:15 AM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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I won't ever see someone walking down the road, assume they are a criminal, get angry about it, and then stalk and lurk after them.  I also won't start a confrontation with them and make them feel threatened enough to defend themselves. 

But thanks for the support.
 
2013-07-15 11:06:09 AM

Semantic Warrior: Look, I understand in criminal trials that burden of proof falls on the prosecution, not the defendant. However, in stand-your-ground cases, there should be some responsibility of proof on the defendant. What stops me from verbally inviting someone into my house and then shooting them, claiming they intruded? Hell, what stops me from shooting a random pedestrian on a deserted street and then claiming that they attacked me?


1st, this wasn't a "stand your ground" case.
2nd, If you are the type of person who would shoot someone in cold blood, then pretend it was self defense, you would likely get caught by the physical evidence because you are not very smart. If you were a smart felon, you wouldn't need a self defense claim because you wouldn't ever be linked to the killing.
 
2013-07-15 11:28:02 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.


Different burden of proof.
 
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